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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Penelope on Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:35 am

@ Flabbergasted
I must say, I am impressed. Sitting in your car at a rest stop on the morning of 9/11, without having heard a word of news or seen a single image, you instantly figured out the Twin Towers could not have been destroyed by airplanes?


But, Flabbergasted, how could it be? It's an enormous building. (At that time only one had collapsed I guess). I suppose it was just from my experience that I knew that. I'd lived in NYC for about 13 years. I knew the buildings were engineered to withstand planes because I'd seen a picture of the Empire State Bldg w part of a smaller plane sticking out of it. I'd been in Tower #1 -- just once-- to see the sunset from a restaurant called Windows, so I knew it was mammoth. But all that aside I think I would have known it anyway. I mean a plane is just much too small to destroy an immense building. I'm sorry, but how could anyone NOT know that?

I knew the wing-tanks couldn't hold enough fuel to immerse the girders of the whole building, and instantly recalled the few images in my memory of steel manufacturing; those are serious forges, man. And looking at my Chinese friend and trying to reach him with the absurdity of what he was believing I thought of the Chinese failure at backyard steel-making under Mao. I mean, if you're being logical it's totally convincing: If you can't melt a little steel in a backyard forge, how could you melt huge quantities at a distance using a small amount of fuel-- and OUTSIDE a forge?

When were you first "shaken" by the cartoon of the plane cutting right through the building

I wasn't shaken by the cartoon, but just by the realization that other people had found it convincing. I never followed the story of 9/11 after that day. I was busy w other things & was only barely aware of the "pancaking" explanation. I did buy one book on 9/11 which laid out many aspects that didn't jive.
It wasn't until I got a computer 7 years later that it occurred to me that I'd never seen the 9/11 picture of the plane going into the building. So I googled it and this cartoon came up, and I think I said out loud, "No, no, not the mockup-- the actual "event" (what was shown on TV)." I think I spent at least 10 minutes trying to pull up the "real" film. When I finally acknowledged to myself that THIS is what convinced people. . . I mean, the entire plane went into the building & left a cutout of itself & it didn't pause. It was like a knife through butter. Throughout my life I have been shocked and disappointed at how little most people think for themselves. But this was a whole nother level.

when did you first reach the conclusion that "something of this magnitude and with the media in on it is always an intelligence operation"?


Only at the moment that I uttered it. I was surprised at my own words, but upon reflection thought it must be true. I knew that Oklahoma City-- the Murrah Bldg-- was done by some segment of our govt because I'd followed it & seen Gen. Partin's report. And since it was a covert op, who else but Intelligence must have done it? I also knew about the Reece Cmte, the Church Commission, the Federal Reserve, and that the original 3 TV stations were started by Intelligence.

But I still would not have instantly connected 9/11 to Intelligence except that when I read about that German banker who was assassinated the writer made a statement to the effect that events like this are always perpetrated by Intelligence, and I had paused at that.

I am sure that you have had the experience of marvelling at the knowledge of the subconscious when it suddenly makes you a present of something, computes a conclusion that's perfectly rational. In my case it generally comes out of my mouth under social stimulation & surprises me.

I'm sorry; this is probably more than you wanted to know. We are all fascinated with our own inner workings. Thanks for your interest.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby brianv on Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:50 pm

^ But it took you 17 years to find Cluesforum? How come?

Did you join any of the "boards" way back then?
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Penelope on Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:47 pm


by brianv » January 24th, 2018, 5:50 am

^ But it took you 17 years to find Cluesforum? How come?

Did you join any of the "boards" way back then?


I had only limited use of library computers til 7 years after 9/11. I wasn't interested in 9/11: I hadn't any doubt it was an op, and I tried to reach people around me, but I didn't yet know about chat rooms where you could potentially influence other people's beliefs. I was more a BOOK person. After I got a computer I became aware of many 9/11 videos with comment areas, and controversy about type of explosive, plane/no plane, etc. But it seemed useless to me to gain more mastery over the details except as entertainment.

I didn't believe that I could better persuade others by knowing more detail: I couldn't believe there was anybody out there thinking, "Yeah it's impossible for a plane to destroy an immense building, and yeah the tiny amount of fuel in the tanks couldn't have even wet the girders, and yeah you need a forge to melt steel and yeah planes can't cut through buildings-- but I just have a few questions about 9/11 & till those are answered I'm gonna go right on believing the media." These are overwhelming, sufficient-in-themselves manifest facts.

Logical discussion I understand. But how do you urge someone to pay attention to their own percepts, aided by ordinary familiarity with small, hollow, fragile airplanes and colossal concrete & steel structures?

Obviously I was wrong in thinking that people who seemingly ignored near-perceptual evidence couldn't be persuaded, because over the years many more people have awakened. They must have processed the event differently than I did, or perhaps were then too young.
But for me, once I had seen the reality, I simply could not put myself in the position of those who had not, so I was useless for persuasion. I couldn't unring the bell.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby tanertan on Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:48 pm

Hi all,

I am an Australian citizen with a Turkish origin and background. I live in Istanbul, Turkey and work as a freelance linguist in the Turkish-English language pairs.

I have been interested in space hoaxes (and other kinds of disinformation campaigns) for many years but only discovered this forum recently.

I have been banned from lie-guarding forums such as Apollohoax and Bad Astronomy etc. many years ago due to my views on the moon landings and other space mythology.

I hope to make some useful contributions to the kind of research you guys have been doing on the CF.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby dblitz on Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:03 am

Hi tanertan, I am also an aussie, living in country Victoria, welcome to the forum :)
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Faye on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:00 pm

Dear Simon and Forum members
I decided to join the Forum showing with this my solidarity and support to the positions on 9/11 that are represented by September Clues, as well as to the ongoing research into media fakery, propaganda, manipulation etc. that the Forum members undertake.

I will try to contribute to the Forum, but I am new to this research and will mostly be reading and learning till i have something to present.
On the other hand, I am a contributor to the Fakeopedia of the Fakeology community and therefore regularly on Clues Forum to read and link material for the presentations done there.

To my person: I am a woman of 50+ years, working and living in central Europe and having an educational backround in art and media sciences. I am not a specialist in any field but have good skills in a number of fields.

Best greetings
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby antipodean on Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:20 am

Welcome aboard Faye. I'm sure you'll soon discover a few threads on here that you can add value to.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Faye on Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:39 pm

antipodean » March 1st, 2018, 4:20 am wrote:Welcome aboard Faye. I'm sure you'll soon discover a few threads on here that you can add value to.


Thank you Antipodean, glad to be here, hoping to show worthy.

P.S. My first post on the forum :)
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Flabbergasted on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:53 pm

Anyhoo wrote:I am posting on a dead web site...

So don´t.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby patrix on Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:55 am

Flabbergasted » March 3rd, 2018, 12:53 am wrote:
Anyhoo wrote:I am posting on a dead web site...

So don´t.


As you see Anyhoo the tone here can be harsh. Personally I think it's a bit unwarranted, but then again I have not been around here that long, and as I understand there's been a lot of problems with forum trolling. The idea of this forum is also not to chat, especially not in the research threads as to not pollute them so that they become full of nonsense and hard to read. But there is a chat box you can use.

Anyway I wish you a warm welcome. I hope you will find the research here as interesting as I have. But as you point out, the truth don't really seem to interest that many people and that can be very frustrating. I hope, as I've been very fortunate with, that you find people in real life that you can talk with on these things, because that is very helpful when trying to keep sane in an obviously insane world. But as you may have noticed it's also easy to loose friends and be avoided. I'm very open with my views and it works ok, but quite a few friends don't keep in touch any more which has been hard for me, but then again what kind of friends where they then?

And try to be open. I had a hard time with the subject of satellites and rockets, but today it's clear as day to me that rockets have no way to create propulsion in a vacuum which of course also makes satellites impossible. It's actually quite elementary physics. You can read all about it in the "Does rocketry work beyond Earth's atmosphere" thread.

All the best and again welcome to the forum Anyhoo /Patrik
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby HonestlyNow on Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:08 pm

Anyhoo » March 6th, 2018, 10:03 am wrote:Thank you for being kind in your response. I must confess to being mystified by this web site and some of the responses I have received since I came here. Perhaps I have a greatly oversimplified view of the world and the way I believe things should be, but to me Truth is the main thing that is important to be discovered. In a world of lies, Truth is rare thing. Few know it. Even fewer talk about it. I expected a different attitude from people when I came here. I expected this web site would be populated with a group of people dedicated to waking up humanity to the lies of 9-11 and everything else but what I am discovering is something quite different. I don't even know how to even describe it. I am new here so I have no right to criticize anyone else here, but my initial perceptions based upon some of the responses I have seen has not filled me with enthusiasm that I have finally found a forum of truth fighters with a mission to wake up the vast majority of sleeping humanity. To me, and this is just me, if a truth exists and you have documented proof of that truth, and most people in the world are unaware of that truth, you go forth and try to wake up everyone else that you can with that truth. In my own way I have been trying to do that in various other places on the internet. Not making a lot of progress but I continue to try. It seems like the truth is overwhelmed and shouted down by the lies, so anyone who speaks truth is just ridiculed. I am sure we have all experienced this, but I digress. I am not exactly happy about the response I am getting here but I will not argue the point. If I were a long time member here, and someone new came to this forum saying the things I have, I hope that I would welcome them with open arms and treat them positively and not making any discouraging comments to them which would turn them off from coming here and wanting to be involved in propagating the truth.

Here's what I gathered from your 374 words:

1) You had expectations, and you were disappointed.
2) Truth needs one to fight for it.

In a world of lies, Truth is rare thing. Few know it. Even fewer talk about it.

Truth can only be grasped within one's consciousness. Truth is not a rare thing. Truth is found in Existence; Existence is Truth. It is the consciousness of Truth and Existence that is lacking. How does one raise another's consciousness? Go riddle me that.


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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby simonshack on Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:20 pm

Anyhoo wrote: To me, and this is just me, if a truth exists and you have documented proof of that truth, and most people in the world are unaware of that truth, you go forth and try to wake up everyone else that you can with that truth.


Well, that's precisely what we're trying to do here, dear Anyhoo. If you have any brilliant proposals as to how we can do better, please submit them. I will receive them with open arms - that is, if they are truly brilliant.
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Introduction: LoneBear

Postby LoneBear on Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:27 pm

Greetings:

My name is Bruce, currently residing in these United States of America. Professionally, I have been a computer consultant to Fortune 500 companies and the United States military, and am currently the Director of Research for the Reciprocal System of theory, a "theory of everything" proposed by Dewey B. Larson in 1959. I have been utilizing that theory to explain many of the unusual events I was exposed to during my time in the military with the Montauk Project, Cold War and the MIB.

I have been studying metaphysics, spirituality and alternative science for over 40 years, having amassed a great deal of knowledge in those areas. Friends have been recommending I join this forum because I am always looking for new information to refine my worldview, and may be able to provide insights not otherwise considered into those topics being discussed.

My basis for understanding the Universe is the Reciprocal System, not conventional science. You may already be familiar with some of my research, as I was David Wilcock's primary source of information on Larson and "3-dimensional time" back in 2004, which he has continued to present in books, seminars and television.

Thanks for letting me join the discussion.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Kham on Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:38 am

Welcome LoneBear,

Glad to hear you have friends who visit Clues Forum. What threads at Clues Forum were your friends most interested in? Are your friends contributors to CF?

For you specifically, what threads were you wanting to contribute and/or are most interested in?

I always like to hear what threads readers find most valuable. I look forward to your contributions.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby LoneBear on Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:26 pm

Kham » April 3rd, 2018, 10:38 pm wrote:Glad to hear you have friends who visit Clues Forum. What threads at Clues Forum were your friends most interested in? Are your friends contributors to CF?

No. 1 would be Gopi, who I've known for about 15 years now and is in to the fallacies of physics and astronomy. A number of his papers have been posted here on the problems with Newton's works.

For you specifically, what threads were you wanting to contribute and/or are most interested in?

It was the info on "fakery in orbit" that initially caught my attention several years ago, then the TYCHOS model being proposed here recently. I also know a good deal about computer fakery as I helped to create it, decades ago, as part of my work with the MIB at the start of the post-Vietnam Cold War (not "men in black," more "men in khaki" -- Military Intelligence). It was done with the best of intentions as a matter of national security, but the way those tools have been abused to advance political and corporate agendas now has become downright frightening. I am glad to see it getting exposed.
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