Xious wrote:My thoughts:
1. Brian, there are plenty of videos on YT already... why bother?
2. This hoax is busted by the lack of blood alone so anyone who remains fooled past that point is beyond convincing.
3. The glock is obviously shooting blanks.
4. Ward obviously missed his cue and thought that he was shot first. The fake gunman probably screwed up the sequence.
5. Parker has obviously never seen what happens when someone is shot by a glock.
6. The shooter is obviously waiting for some type of cue while he stands there getting the perfect angle for his camera.
7. Parker and her interviewee are obviously pretending to have an interview and know that the fake gunman is working on his camera angle waiting for his cue. Why would they be conducting the interview knowing that Adam isn't even pointing the camera at them?
8. Ward is obviously day dreaming about what he plans to do with all the loot that he will be paid for participating in this farce, as he video tapes the grass.
9. The real reason that Hurst and Parker have only been together for 9 months is because Parker's real boyfriend would need to be out of the picture so he and Parker could disappear together.
10. Apparently, Ward is single and an only child who's parents have died since no one has appeared on tv on his behalf, to push for stiffer gun laws.
Hello Xious,
I'd like to address 1. & 2.
I am unsure if you mean
A) "Why bother digging any deeper? There are plenty of videos busting this hoax on YT already?"
or maybe it's
"Why bother adding the 3 shooting videos to CF as there are plenty of videos of the shooting on YT already?"
I suspect you mean
A) which I will answer below, but if it is
I am having no luck finding video #1 (see below) anywhere online now.
I think that your thoughts 3-10 are at worst probable and should suffice in the court of logic. We could no doubt tear this thing apart 'logically' until there is nothing left to see..but the root remains.
People seen it on TV news, so it HAS to be real. Logic it seems these days just doesn't pack the punch it may have when people had to think hard daily or else starve daily. So I'd like to bounce back to you essentially the same question. If the lack of blood is good enough by you, why did you feel compelled to go on and list thoughts 3-10? This is an actual question that I would like a sincere answer to. And I assure you it is asked with no malice or bad intent. It simply hits at the heart of why I felt the need to peruse and now join this forum and finally learn some proper investigating techniques. You can never truly get
enough logic to satisfy is my point. I too enjoy making logical arguments or speculations because it is well...fun to think. But at the end of the day, we have to co-exist with a lot of illogical deceived people that would happily have you or I strung up if the mouthpiece of pure evil (mass media TV) told them we were a threat. Our potential future killers must be
forced to accept the painful realization that they are hopelessly duped and will ultimately destroy everything that has gotten us to this relatively comfortable existence (including themselves) if they further deny the undeniable. To draw a (kinda lame) analogy from real truth "Give a man some logic/reasoning and you will convince him to question things for a day...Give a man undeniable hard evidence and you will convince him he is just plain wrong."
SC showed or rather
taught me this rational. (Though admittedly for years I've let anger confound what should have been a wonderful epiphany.) Regardless, it has convinced me that the ABSOLUTE KEY in our age of TV News fakery is exposing any fake
"Live Coverage" first and foremost. Then all of the (sometimes laughable) details used to 'muddy the waters' will naturally sink to the bottom where they belong. Sorry to drop such a big fat rambling answer to such a short question my friend, but I guess your question is the one I've been 'needing' to be asked..for my own sake. I'm just stoked to be even discussing such things with people even if it is on a computer. Guess you'd have to actually know what a loner-anti-social-narcissist I'd let myself become to really
feel my enthusiasm.
Anyway...here are the videos discussed in my last post.
#1.) Here is the one that is
poor quality and then clears up right at the "glitch". Likely the first video available on YT as it was very early into the day 1 coverage.
Since removed by YT.
#2.) Here is the one I downloaded today and embedded in last post. It still
has the "glitch", but much better quality all throughout.
Also available on YT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toejyW8M8d0
#3.) Here is the one recorded by someone off of a TV screen and aired on CNN.
No "glitch" or audio disruption that I can make out so far.
(Helps to watch/compare the "continuous info scroll" at bottom of screen to the "pausing info scroll" on the other two videos.)
brianp, et al, we don't see a lot of media collaborations on CluesForum itself since this is usually just a place to put original research once it's already done. Sorry about that. I know it's exhausting. One of my original critiques of the 9|11 propaganda film (allegedly by "the Naudets") was removed from YouTube and I can't locate my back up. This kind of unrewarded work comes with the territory.
However, if you do go through with your effort and it proves fakery as you claim, and as long as your channel isn't filled with distraction, it might always have an audience on CF.
I also agree with Xious in the sense that it has to be worth it to you to spend the time on it, because you may not see dividends of attention from your audience until much later, if at all. Again, the work should be the reward itself. And I think it would be good work.
Hey hoi.polloi,
I hope I didn't come off as trying to pass-the-buck on the work aspect. I know it will be tough for me to do this thing
right anytime real soon with today being my last day of vacation, so I just thought somebody quicker on their fingertips might find these clues pertinent to their own project and cover them in a more timely manner relative to the PsyOp than I currently can. I can truly imagine the loss of your former project being a very frustrating thing to endure. Heck, I accidentally closed out my browser during this very (almost completed) response to you and Xious and lost it due to never saving a draft. That doesn't even really compare with you losing a piece of 'hard work' I know, but it aggravated me silly as I am embarrassingly slow at getting my thoughts put into proper text. I think the last one was actually a bit longer, so probably worked out for the best for everyone.
If I can take your response to mean that collaborations aren't
entirely unheard of here, I'll just shoot a few questions to see if any interest arises.
So, to fellow members: I guess these would be my main questions for starters:
a) Can a legitimate piece of "Live" video look as bad as video #1 does and then just clear up the way it does after the "glitch"?
b) Are there any opinions as to what I am generically calling "the glitch" even is? Like maybe a type of overlap..or inserted still frames?
c) Can any
two of these videos possibly be a true "Live" feed transmitted to any given
two television sets at the same time?
If you feel I am getting my cart in front of the horse...PLEASE tell me why. You need not spare my feelings in doing so. I am a novice looking to learn and just want something constructive to do in my spare time. I'd just as soon crawl back in "my shell" again than to be spreading any more half-truths.
I trust my eyeballs, but just haven't got the expertise with video or television to say I know 100% that they can't all be "the same" so to speak.
As for the suspect audio manipulation ("Oh My God") being in all of the "Live" videos, yet missing in the "Shooter's Video" this I am quite convinced of.
It'd take nothing less than a crowbar to the head for me to come off of this one. I will be working on that aspect in a video for sure. I know my ears aren't fooling me.
Thanks in advance for any comments and/or criticisms.
