9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.
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hoi.polloi 4 Mar 26 2010, 06:49 PM wrote:
And definitely stop whining, either way. You are not a victim. You are just posting on a message board.
Right on, Hoi.

One thing I think we've all learned from trying to educate people (that there were no planes/no hijackers/no Muslims/no victims on 9/11) is that we are going to get hit with a lot of vicious emotional responses from people - and we darn well have had to grow a backbone and not feel hurt or overly angry by such stupid reactions.

I no longer care whether someone gets mad at me. The perps want us to get mad and lose our focus, or get hurt and stop trying to spread the truth. We win by not giving in to our emotions. Stay strong, all of you, and never give in, or question what you know to be true.
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MARTIN J COUGHLAN passed away at age 53 - on the 92nd floor of WTC2. <_<
He had moved from Ireland to Queens, NY - with his wife Catherine and daughters Orla, Ailish, Sinead and Denise...
http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=96017

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He turns 62 on July1 this year. Maybe Ailish should give him a hug and ask him to extinguish her student loans after all.
"Daddy, remember that expensive gravestone I bought you 8 years ago?"... :D

http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-summ ... cusfirst=1

Happy Birthday, Martin!
http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx? ... 6237558545

Confusing? Yes - and ridiculous too.
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I report here some of my exchanges with https://www.archives.com ;)
A kind woman by the name of 'Sarah' is replying to me.
She first replied quite blandly to my first questions which Brianv had suggested to submit to them (about how and when their data is collected). Here's some of the dialogue I'm having with her:


Thanks for your kind reply, Sarah

The reason I was asking is the following:

For instance, Mr. "ALAN WAYNE FRIEDLANDER" of Yorktown Heights, NY died about 8 years ago - at age 52. Yet, I was able to find on your "Living Persons" archive an ALAN WAYNE FRIEDLANDER of Yorktown Heights, aged 60 (that's how old he would be today). It would be extraordinary if the living ALAN WAYNE FRIEDLANDER is just a coincidental namesake of the deceased one: Same name, 'correct' age, same residence.

Could it be that someone has forgotten to remove him from the records as a
'living person' - and that his age gets automatically updated ?

Thanks for clearing this up !
simon


Hello Simon,

Thank you for contacting Archives.com

We are constantly getting new and updated records. Once a week we update these
records on our website. We may not have gotten the information updating that
information yet to update it in our system. But, our researchers are doing
everything possible to keep these living person reports as up to date as
possible. When we find the informaiton that we need, we will update that
information, however we can not update our systems manually.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Sarah
Member Services Representative


Hello Sarah,

Thanks for your kind reply. However, you did not answer to my simple question. Is
ALAN WAYNE FRIEDLANDER (of Yorkstown Heights, NY)dead or alive?

Here he is alive today - (age 60):
http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-summ ... cusfirst=1

Here he is listed as deceased 8 years ago (age 52) :
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /3553.html

Thanks for a kind reply.

Simon

NOTE: I provided her with links to the archives.com search engine - not the ones above. This is because you have to pay a fee/become a member of archives.com in order to open those links - so you'll have to take my word for now regarding the mess I am finding in there... ;)



Hello Simon,

Thank you for contacting Archives.com

I dont know what to tell you. I am seeing the same thing that you are. I am showing a death on 9/11/2001 and a living persons report saying he is 60 years old. I will let our researches know of this issue, and we will try and correct it as soon as possible. I do apologize about the duplicate and obviously one inaccurate report that we have in our system.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Sarah
Member Services Representative


I have a few more questions coming up for Sarah...
There's more than ONE "innacurate report" in their system... stay tuned.
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Good work Simon :) Looking forward to next e-mail exchange :)
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Amazing that you should find the one inaccurate report in their system huh?

"We are constantly getting new and updated records. Once a week we update these records on our website"

"When we find the informaiton that we need, we will update that information, however we can not update our systems manually."

I find this a little confusing and contradictory.
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WANTED
DEAD OR ALIVE


This is what I sent to Sarah ( of https://www.archives.com ) tonight.
She'll have it on her monday desk. Don't you just HATE mondays ? :lol:


(In order to open the links to archives.com, try applying for a 7-day free trial:
http://www.archives.com/benefits.shtml ) Dunno if it works - let me know!
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Dear Sarah,

Thanks for responding so swiftly to my queries - I hope you will bear with me a little longer. I am glad you are letting your researchers know about this issue in order to make some sense out of it all. However, ALAN WAYNE FRIEDLANDER is not the only 9/11 victim one may find still alive & well in your archives. I have used the official 9/11 CNN Memorial as ‘reference archive’ :

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/index.html

The below list is by no means the result of a comprehensive scanning of all the approx. 3000 alleged 9/11 victims; they are but 40 samples I've found (so far) in alpha succession during a ‘cursory’ 3-hour search I performed yesterday. We may therefore reasonably assume there are many more instances of (allow me the expression) ‘living-dead’ yet to be found among the alleged 9/11 victims. I have to point out that large numbers of alleged 9/11 victim names are simply absent from your death records. Yet when found as “deceased on 9/11 2001”, they are also found (rather consistently, it seems) as living persons, 8 - 9 years older ? and/or residing at the same locations reported in the 9/11 memorials.


ASCIAK MICHAEL A ? dead on 9/11 2001, age 47 ? Ridgefield, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

ASCIAK MICHAEL A ? alive & well today - age 55 ? Ridgefield, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

BABAKITIS ARLENE ?dead on 9/11 2001 - Seacaucus,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

BABAKITIS ARLENE ?alive & well today - Seacaucus,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

BADAGLIACCA JOHN JAMES - dead on 9/11 2001 - age 35 - Staten Island, NY
http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=101209

BADAGLIACCA JOHN JAMES ? alive & well today - age 43 ? Staten Island, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

BEAMER TODD M- dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 32- Cranbury, NJ (21duplicates of death record: please read the “full obituary text” featured for each of the 21 !!! ).)
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

BEAMER TODD M- alive & well today ? age 41- Cranbury, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

CABALLERO DANIEL MARTIN ?died on 9/11 2001 - age 21 ? Houston,TX
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

CABALLERO DANIEL MARTIN ?alive & well today - age 30 ? Houston,TX
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

DACK CALEB ARRON ?died on 9/11 2001 - age 47 ? Montclair,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

DACK CALEB ARRON ? alive & well today ? Montclair,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

EVANS ERIC BRIAN ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? Weehawken,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

EVANS ERIC BRIAN ? alive & well today ? Weehawken,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

EWART MEREDITH E ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? in Hoboken, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

EWART MEREDITH E ? alive & well today ? in Hoboken, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

FAGAN PATRICIA M ? dead on 9/11 2001 - age 55 ? in Toms River, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

FAGAN PATRICIA M ?alive & well today - age 63 ? in Toms River, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

FRIEDLANDER ALAN WAYNE ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 52 - Yorktown Heights, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /3553.html

FRIEDLANDER ALAN WAYNE ? alive & well today 2001 ? age 60 - Yorktown Heights, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

GENCO PETER VICTOR ?dead on 9/11 2001 - age 36 ? in Rockville Ctr, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

GENCO PETER VICTOR ?alive & well today - age 45 ? in Rockville Ctr, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

HALE MAILE RACHEL ? died on 9/11 2001 - age 26 ? Cambridge, MA (CNN 9/11 memorial):
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /4187.html

HALE MAILE RACHEL alive & well today - age 34 ? Cambridge, MA
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

HARTZ JOHN CLINTON ? died on 9/11 2001 ? Basking Ridge, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... geNumber=5

HARTZ JOHN CLINTON ? alive & well today - Basking ridge,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

IVORY LACEY BERNARD ?dead on 9/11 2001 ? Woodbridge,VA
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

IVORY LACEY BERNARD ?alive & well today ? Woodbridge,VA
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

JACOBS JASON KYLE ? dead on 9/11 2001 ?age 32 - Mendham. NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

JACOBS JASON KYLE ? alive & well today - Mendham. NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

JIAN HWEIDAR ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? at age 42 ? East Brunswick, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2037.html

JIAN HWEIDAR ? alive & well today-age 50, Milltown,NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

JOVIC ANTHONY ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 39 ? Massapequa, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2249.html

JOVIC ANTHONY ? alive & well today - Massapequa, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

JURGENS PAUL W ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 47 ? Levittown, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2419.html

JURGENS PAUL W ? alive & well today ? age 55 ? Levittown, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

KANE HOWARD LEE ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 40 ? Hazlet, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /3267.html

KANE HOWARD LEE ? alive & well today ? age 48 ? Hazlet, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

LADKAT GANESH K ? dead on 9/11 2001 - age 27- Somerset, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /4313.html

LADKAT GANESH K ? alive & well today ? Somerset, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

LADLEY JAMES P ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 41 ? Colts Neck, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2646.html

LADLEY JAMES P ? alive & well today ? age 50 ? Colts Neck, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

LALAMA FRANCO ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 45 ? Nutley, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2459.html

LALAMA FRANCO ? alive & well today ? age 53 ? Nutley, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

MANNING TERENCE J ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 36 ? Point Lookout, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /4197.html

MANNING TERENCE J ? alive & well today ? Point Lookout, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

MATHESEN WILLIAM A ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 40 ? Morristown. NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2667.html
and on archives.com:
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

MATHESEN WILLIAM A ? alive and well today? age 49 ? Morristown. NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

NACKE LOUIS J ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 42 ? New Hope, PA
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /1625.html

NACKE LOUIS J ? alive & well today ? age 50 ? New Hope, PA
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

OLSON BARBARA K ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 45 ? Great Falls, VA
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /1427.html

OLSON BARBARA K ? alive & well today? age 54 ? Great Falls, VA
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

PALMER ORIO JOSEPH ? died on 9/11 2001 ? age 45 ? Valley Stream, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2333.html

PALMER ORIO JOSEPH ? alive & well today ? Valley Stream, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

PERRONCINO JOSEPH JOHN ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 33 ? Smithtown, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /3743.html

PERRONCINO JOSEPH JOHN ? alive and well today ? age 41 - Smithtown, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

QUAPPE LINCOLN ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 38 ? Sayville, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2348.html

QUAPPE LINCOLN ? alive & well today ? age 46 ? Sayville, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

RASWEILER ROGER MARK ? dead on 9/11 2001- age 53 ? Flemington, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2722.html

RASWEILER ROGER MARK ? alive & well ? age 61 - Flemington, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

SALAMONE MARJORIE CHAMPION ? dead on 9/11 2001 ?age 53 - Springfield, VA
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /1679.html

SALAMONE MARJORIE CHAMPION ? alive & well today ? age 62 ? Springfield, VA
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

TALLON SEAN PATRICK ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 26 ? Yonkers, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2390.html

TALLON SEAN PATRICK ? alive & well today ? age 35 . Yonkers, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

UELTZHOEFFER JOHN G ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 36 ? Roselle Park, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2791.html

UELTZHOEFFER JOHN G ? alive & well today ? age 44 ? Roselle Park, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

VADAS BRADLEY H ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? Westport, CT
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /3111.html

VADAS BRADLEY H ? alive & well today . Westport, CT
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

VANACORE EDWARD RAYMOND ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 29 ? Jersey City, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /4287.html

VANACORE EDWARD RAYMOND ? alive & well today ? age 37 ? Jersey City, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

WINUK GLENN J ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 40 (his brother Jay lives in Carmel, NY)
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /3932.html

WINUK GLENN J ? alive & well today ? age 48 ? Carmel, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

YAMBEM JUPITER ? dead on 9/11 2001 - age 41 ?Beacon, NY
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /1790.html

YAMBEM JUPITER ? alive & well today ? age 49 ? Wappingers FI, NY
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

YORK KEVIN PATRICK - dead on 9/11 2001-age 41 ? Princeton; NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2813.html

YORK KEVIN PATRICK - alive & well today-age 49 ? Princeton; NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

ZAKHARY ADEL AGAYBY ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? age 50 ? North Arlington, NJ
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2814.html

ZAKHARY ADEL AGAYBY ? alive & well today ? age 58 ? North Arlington, NJ
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

ZION CHARLES A ? dead on 9/11 2001 ? Greenwich, CT (4 death records duplicates: please read the “full obituary text” featured for each of the 4 !!! ).
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult

ZION CHARLES A ? alive & well today ? Greenwich, CT
http://www.archives.com/member/Default. ... archResult


As you have shown such helpfulness and honest concern, at this point I owe to tell you that I am an independent 9/11 researcher. I’m connected with a few dozen collegues around the world who are ? understandably - all eagerly awaiting your response to this particular matter. Our longstanding investigations have reached a turning point these last few months since encountering scores of problems with the many (variously discrepant) lists of alleged 9/11 victims. The emergence of the ‘living-dead’ (as listed above) is only the latest of an endless string of abnormities afflicting the 9/11 memorials. Suffice to say that, to this day, no two memorials/victim lists of 9/11 concur on the total death-toll of that extraordinary day. We have corresponded with the Office of Chief Medical Examiner in New York asking for an official list of the deceased ? but little or no response has been forthcoming as yet. Here is a short listing of supposedly serious sources reporting the “final” death-toll(s) :

Sept11thmemorial - 3181
Prayersforpeace - 3042
9-11-2001 - 3031
SOS-ATTENTATS.org - 3028
CNN memorial - 2985
911families - 2976
Wikipedia - 2973
Rememberseptember11 - 2935
Fox News (article Sept11 2002) - 2812
Navy Times - 2750
Le Monde - 2749
Wall of Americans - 2534
America Forever - 2467

“Margin of error” (3181 - 2467) = 714

Our working thesis is that, possibly, the 9/11 ‘victim-pool’ is but a database of fictitious or/and proxy identities ( In other words, the WTC towers were fully evacuated when they collapsed ). This is, I fully realize, a difficult notion to process for anyone unfamiliar with this subject matter, yet the bulk of evidence gathered so far - at all levels of our research ? is quite consistent with our contentions. Here is, for instance, a comparative photographic study of the purported 9/11 victims (as pictured in the various memorials):
http://www.septemberclues.org/vicsims_ ... alyses.htm

It should no doubt be a matter of concern for the management of https://www.archives.com to look into this very seriously - were it only for the sake of upholding the accuracy and credibility of their own database. For now, we hope to hear from you in relation to two main points:

1: Whether the occurence of the ‘living-dead’ as illustrated above can be rationally explained.

2: If not, what measures and actions could https://www.archives.com possibly undertake to clarify this matter?


Kind regards

Simon Shack
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Very well done, Simon.

We've theorized about the likelihood that the perps would leave a trail of 'half-truths', and other red herrings/straw-men/distractions, in order to muddy the waters and make everything they've fabricated that much harder to unravel.

Turning 'all' the vicsims (whatever 'all' means, given that there is no agreement among the many lists of 9/11 dead) into the 'living-dead' is likely to lead researchers to waste their time and energy trying to prove, either that the dead are actually alive, or that the current 'living' vicsims are actually dead - but in either case the researcher is not trying to prove these living-dead never existed.

Fortunately we know better.
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Hoi - Thank you for your response - if I understood it I would reply.

Simon is right when he says we don't need in-fighting on here and I agree. For the life of me, I still don't see what caused you to delete my post when other shall we say, innaccurate posts are left on here indefinitely. If there was a flaw in my work, then please tell me what it was and why.

Anyway, upwards and onwards - I have more information on Nicholas Christian Brophy (for brianv) and his wife that I will leave to another day. In the meantime I will concentrate on the UK "victims", as I said I would previously - already some interesting stuff is emerging and I'm only concentrating on the bods that run S11UKFSG.

Let's keep this thread on track.

SG
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Ok, folks !! I got a reply from Sarah ! Are you not ALL excited?

Here goes:

Hello Simon,

Thank you for contacting us.

We really appreciate your comments. Your feedback is vital to getting all the features on our site that our members need and value. I have sent your feedback to product management and your ideas will be used in future releases. Look for changes as often as every 6 weeks.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Sarah
Member Services Representative
https://www.archives.com


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Maybe I should reply something like... :

Love you, Sarah. I couldn't ask for a better clarification ! And the very thought that my IDEAS will be used in future releases fills me with pride & joy ! :lol:
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While she's still sorting out her hair - ask if you can have your money back, until their faulty "product" is up to scratch.

Why not send her an invite to the board too!
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brianv 4 Mar 29 2010, 03:27 PM wrote: While she's still sorting out her hair - ask if you can have your money back, until their faulty "product" is up to scratch.

Why not send her an invite to the board too!
Shall I send this to Sarah ?


Sarah,

I believe you may have clicked on the wrong button and sent me a standard form letter - in place of your intended response to my last, well-documented communication with you.

If this is not the case, and your response was in fact intentional, I have this to say: Firstly, I will demand to be reimbursed of my 29.95, 6-months membership fee. The reason I signed on to your service was to get accurate and reliable records of living and deceased people in the USA. This does not seem to be the business that you are in, and I may now ask for legal assistance to determine whether your organization https://www.archives.com is some sort of internet hoax - or just an inept supplier of public records.

Secondly, your response did not address a single point in relation to my detailed list of deceased/living people that I was able to find on your search engines. Please know that many people besides myself are asking for clarification of this important matter - and that your latest response is quite unsatisfactory to all concerned. Since we are dealing here with an important case such as 9/11 2001, suspicions may arise that your management, if they were behind your last vacuous and unacceptable response, is accessory to the crime. I dearly hope this is not the case and expect you to come back to me with more articulate answers to my queries, and this time, not with any sort of bland form letter.

Continued thanks for your kind assistance.

Simon Shack


edit: well - I just sent it.
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simonshack @ Mar 29 2010, 05:48 PM wrote: Sarah,

I believe you may have clicked on the wrong button and sent me a standard form letter - in place of your intended response to my last, well-documented communication with you.


edit: well - I just sent it.
Loving the saga with Sarah and the service at moodyarchives.com

Stay cool, guapo. You're a serious guy with a lot to do. You don't pay for crap service but rarely feel compelled to question why the service is crap. In this case, it's kinda central to your work. Would love to know more about Sarah and her employers. Invite her out?
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idschmyd 4 Mar 29 2010, 07:15 PM wrote: Would love to know more about Sarah and her employers. Invite her out?
I'm not gay but I WILL invite her out if she shows me that she has balls...
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