Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

[dwalkerdon23]

I was watching the news this morning, & they said that the FBI is on alert because of the potential threat of Libyan Terrorists attacking the U.S.


I immediately thought to myself, oh my goodness, this is total BS! This is the reason why I barely, if ever, watch the news, it's all a goddamn lie!

[warriorhun]

Dear Extremophile,

You beat me to it, my man!
I was laughing so hard on that LOLvideos Inc. funny picture of the rocket pod mounted on the Technical's flatbed that I nearly fell off the chair!

Dear nonhocapito,

you say:

You always use the derogatory term "sheeple" but, you know, you, I, we all are part of these supposed "sheeple", who in fact are the most fantastic, imaginative and powerful beings on this planet.

I totally agree. Calling people "sheeple" just because they fall for something designed scientifically and especially for achieving the effect of making them fall for it, is like bombarding the youth 24/7 with messages that drug use and sex with multiple partners is cool, and then condemning them for snorting up a snoutful and being promiscous. We should never forget: we all have the same brain capacity, and this is true since caveman times. They are not stupid: they just do not know.

My opinion on the Gaddhafi letter: . Just .

The "Al-Qaeda"/Mistaravim is destabilizing Libya IMO, but three great lies I can not place:
1.st: Why does the letter pretend Obama is Muslim?
2.nd: Gaddhafi already said he knows what "Al-Qaeda" is, and knows its American connections. Why would he ask for American understanding of his fight with "Al-Qaeda" if he knows the score?
3rd: Nobody reads and writes English in the whole friggin' Libya's diplomatic corps to help out the Great Leader in grammar?

Conclusion: it is a forged letter, totally, ridiculously faked.

Dear dwalkerdon23,

This is good old fearmongering. The only thing which possibly could convince the reluctant Americans to approve the invasion of Libya is a Libyan terror attack on mainland USA. Gaddhafi may be fond of cocaine and virgin bodyguards, but he ain't stupid: terror attack on the US is the last thing he would order, if at all.
So, if there is a Libyan terror attack in US in the news, that is pseudo terror, most likely faked with Mistaravim playing Libyan agents.

[warriorhun]

Dear All,

Please consider this.
In older times in war, there was the actual fighting, then the home propaganda and the propaganda towards the enemy. These three issues were separated.
Home propaganda meant: "we are the heroic good guys vs. the enemy are the evil, very evil bad guys".
Propaganda towards the enemy meant two things: 1. "We are badasses, we will cut your fucking livers out so do not mess with us, you surrender, like yesterday, till we are nice" and 2. The "hearts and minds" stuff.
The actual fighting meant shooting them in the heart and blowing out their minds.

Now, in this globalized media and information age, you can not separate the three. You can not reconcile them, your propaganda messages therefore are mixed and confusing and contradictory, and what is more, the enemy is able to reach your people with their own propaganda (albeit having the same problem). How to overcome this?
Cut out the middleman-media blackout, information control. Or cutting out the enemy. If there is no real enemy, they can not confuse our folks with their propaganda, and our mixed messages will not confuse our folks, too. Welcome to the world of Media fakery, pseudo-terror and MindWar.

Pseudo-terror already works. I claim "Al-Qaeda" is the IDF Mistaravim. Siteintelgroup is faking their threat videos. Did you see the videos of Juba, the Baghdad sniper? He did not show his face, did not tell his name, or home address and mother's maiden name in a video, bragging and threatening about his next attack, unlike the "Al-Qaeda" terrorists of siteintelgroup videos. Well, that was because he was for real, out to shoot Americans, and he knew he is hunted like a rabid dog. RIP Juba.
But the media fakery of the "Al-Qaeda" pseudo terror works, demonized the people of Islam as the new Nazi movement, and succesfully convinced decent folks to approve the massacre of Muslims. Without a really existing enemy at first!

They have already pulled off an attack on TV screens only: 9/11! So, would it work with war? You bet.
Imagine a situation: you are losing a battle, but you know the enemy high brass is watching on TV the live coverage of your propaganda channel. So you "deploy" faked CGI troops on your TV screen only, allegedly "encircling the enemy". The enemy high brass sees this and pulls back their troops: you just won the battle using media fakery!

And the best is if there is no war, Wag the dog-style! Than anything is possible!
How about that: Gaddhafi co-operates. since ages His son is sent home by CIA, to utilize his Media connections. IDF Mistaravim are sent in to play "Al-Qaeda" to commit shit, because otherwise every other Libyan would blog that all is nice and calm. There are no rebels, no protests, Gaddhafi's troops are all in the barracks, smoking ganja or out in town, visiting the brothels.
For a dollar per day, young tribal men got to drive shiny new Technicals, playing rebels for the MSM cameras. This explains MSM moving freely in Libya, which I can not imagine in a real civil war situation. They are faking and staging battle pictures and videos. The official MSM plays a good guys vs. bad guys story for the Americans who grew up on Hollywood, for the Europeans RT and alternative media tells a more believable story, albeit a lie.
MSM are selling faked news of massacres and heavy fighting, testing the Western reactions: would they approve intervention in such case? There are no NATO strikes, the money allegedly spent on them are siphoned out to the insider hands. The NATO airstrikes pictures and videos are faked, too.
The Multikulti program includes swamping white Christian Europe with colored Third World immigration. You all know the score: Africa belongs to the Africans, Asia belongs to the Asians, Europe belongs to Everybody. That is, except the Christian white man. Now they can speed this up a bit, using "refugee crisis" as alibi to import lots of new African immigrants into Europe.

The important thing is, this is MindWar, with no real war just on your TV, but it fits nicely into "Crescent of Democracy"-plan. Because the target of this MindWar is not Libya: the target is Iran.
So if they send Mistaravim into Iran next, to act as "Al-Qaeda", as agent provocateurs helped with Social Media provocations, and they can incite protests in Iran, then with the same story script, ie. there are massacres, Ahmadinejad is massacring and airstriking the "pro-democracy" revolutionnary Iranians, this will be enough for the Westerners to approve air strike and invasion again-this time for real. Maybe the Fuck-you-sama reactor scare plays here: if "crazy Ahmadinejad is threatening with blowing up his reactors as a suicide action" in faked news would open up recent painful memories, and that would be the last thing to clear any doubt in everybody's mind that Iran must be brought down, soon as.

[nonhocapito]

The "Al-Qaeda"/Mistaravim is destabilizing Libya IMO, but three great lies I can not place:
1.st: Why does the letter pretend Obama is Muslim?
2.nd: Gaddhafi already said he knows what "Al-Qaeda" is, and knows its American connections. Why would he ask for American understanding of his fight with "Al-Qaeda" if he knows the score?
3rd: Nobody reads and writes English in the whole friggin' Libya's diplomatic corps to help out the Great Leader in grammar?

Conclusion: it is a forged letter, totally, ridiculously faked.

By now you have been right a few times warriorhun (as I have ), so I won't rush to say you are wrong about this. But I need a little more context to really understand. Sometimes I can be naive like that.

The obvious counter-argument is the following: how the Libyan authorities can accept that a faked letter is passed as true, to the point that the U.S. respond officially to it?
I see that while I was writing this, you where writing the above post where you propose again your mindwar scenario where they are all in cahoots and it is all fake. You have a few points and I respect your arguments, even though I do not really agree with them (maybe I will discuss them later) but in regards to the letter in question: why to forge letters in the first place if they are all accomplices and you can have the Libyans "authentically" write one?

Once again: sometimes something is strange because life is strange and not because there is a trickery behind it.

Here are some ideas about your previous points:
1. Because he knows that the Kenyan origins of Obama are a card that can be played with the other African countries, and Gaddafi wants to make clear to them he still has the leadership of the African Union.

2. Because he is addressing "America", but "Al Quaeda" is not "America". Like you teach me, Al Quaeda is Israel: he is asking Obama to not support Israeli agents this time. I know it sounds like a crazy expectation, but what else can he do? Letters like this one are written for a number of readers, not only Obama. It is important for other countries to witness that he is doing the "right thing" and behaving in a compromising manner. That's politics, no?

3. As I said I think the pig-english is intentional, to convey the message that arab/african countries should not oblige to english as the one international language to speak.
But there might be another reason, which is the sheer arrogance of the Gaddafi character. If you watch the extremely interesting interview of Larry King with Gaddafi, you'll notice that he makes a point of being able to understand english by himself, and sometimes to speak it. All the while the translator is sweating because he doesn't know when exactly to interrupt the Leader to finish the translation or even correct what he is saying.
So maybe Gaddafi did want to write this letter himself, and nobody had the courage to thoroughly rewrite it. Stranger things happen with dictators -- or with Berlusconi for that matter

[warriorhun]

Dear nonhocapito,

I am really vacillating between the MindWar scenario, and the real war scenario. Both can not be true at the same time...

you ask:

why to forge letters in the first place if they are all accomplices and you can have the Libyans "authentically" write one?

Forgery would make sense only with real war scenario, if.

but you say:

So maybe Gaddafi did want to write this letter himself, and nobody had the courage to thoroughly rewrite it.

which I accept as a very, very likely possibility if the letter was real and the war is real. And your 3 points makes perfect sense.

Oh, by the way, I will be a little off-topic here:
You mentioned you like learning new phrases, without actually going to Mossad training, right?
Have you ever heard the word hasbara? http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf
It is something like explaining away, ie. bulshitting, when they are telling you how to think and what to think "correctly" about them

[Makkonen]

Great analysis, warriorhun. I agree, and believe also that Iran is the real target of these Middle East machinations. However, it is frustrating when we don't know what's going to happen after project Iran. In other words, what will happen after nearly the whole world has been put under a media demoncrazy...*cough*cough* democracy? Surely nearly everyone under a majoritarian mindset will then have a belief in the miraculous wonders of an abstract idea ("democracy"), promulgated seemingly at the grassroots level, that works for seemingly everyone in the world? Will the global population then almost voluntarily push for more global ideas (of almost whatever kind now) on the back of these successful machinations / psy-ops?

[Dcopymope]

[Why should we expect the majority to be aware of anything not presented to them by the box they live in when they obviously really aren't aware of their surroundings to begin with and don't really think for themselves?
...
If a substantial amount of the populace was aware the perps wouldn't have carried out the operation to begin with.

Totally agree, exactly my position. Very, very, VERY few people are willing to believe anything that isn't the established, mainstream - and thus 'approved' - view.

Gullible sheeple - I hold all** of them in complete contempt, for so many different reasons, including their passive support for all the murder committed overseas by America, their automatic trust in their leaders and respect for authority, and their unwillingness to think for themselves. Talk about pulling the wool over your own eyes. They DESERVE to live here, controlled by the current corporatist-fascist absurdity masquerading as the home of the brave and the land of the free.

(**Not including Hoi and the very few other Americans who post here regularly, my lifetime best friend, and my permanent girlfriend/partner. What's that, fewer than a dozen people out of 300 million? How sad.)

Obviously, the establishment media is doing their reasoning and thinking for them, so if its not mainstream news then it must not be important to the mass mind. When I'm talking about the bulk of the populace I don't mean just that of America I mean humanity in general. So it’s more like a few dozen here & there that is awake out of the 6 billion or so.

Dear Extremophile,

You beat me to it, my man!
I was laughing so hard on that LOLvideos Inc. funny picture of the rocket pod mounted on the Technical's flatbed that I nearly fell off the chair!

Dear nonhocapito,

you say:

You always use the derogatory term "sheeple" but, you know, you, I, we all are part of these supposed "sheeple", who in fact are the most fantastic, imaginative and powerful beings on this planet.

I totally agree. Calling people "sheeple" just because they fall for something designed scientifically and especially for achieving the effect of making them fall for it, is like bombarding the youth 24/7 with messages that drug use and sex with multiple partners is cool, and then condemning them for snorting up a snoutful and being promiscous. We should never forget: we all have the same brain capacity, and this is true since caveman times. They are not stupid: they just do not know.

Of course they are aren't inherently stupid, they are just taught by the system to be stupid and ignorant, and its not that 'they don't know whats going on' thats the problem, the problem is they just don't care to know, which is why I don't waste my time with the masses.

My opinion on the Gaddhafi letter: . Just .

The "Al-Qaeda"/Mistaravim is destabilizing Libya IMO, but three great lies I can not place:
1.st: Why does the letter pretend Obama is Muslim?
2.nd: Gaddhafi already said he knows what "Al-Qaeda" is, and knows its American connections. Why would he ask for American understanding of his fight with "Al-Qaeda" if he knows the score?
3rd: Nobody reads and writes English in the whole friggin' Libya's diplomatic corps to help out the Great Leader in grammar?

Conclusion: it is a forged letter, totally, ridiculously faked.

Dear dwalkerdon23,

This is good old fearmongering. The only thing which possibly could convince the reluctant Americans to approve the invasion of Libya is a Libyan terror attack on mainland USA. Gaddhafi may be fond of cocaine and virgin bodyguards, but he ain't stupid: terror attack on the US is the last thing he would order, if at all.
So, if there is a Libyan terror attack in US in the news, that is pseudo terror, most likely faked with Mistaravim playing Libyan agents.

Well, I personally don't see any Americans that are necessarily reluctant of an invasion, I mostly see them cheering it all on as if its just a ball game between two teams.

[fbenario]

The only problem is to create the connections, the dialogues, make them visible on top of the propaganda waves.

You are right on all your points. I was feeling angry, and sad, last night, after some dead-end discussions with people recently. I'm really pissed off at the people close to me who still believe the partisan crap spoonfed to them, and their apparent unwillingness to see that what makes this country 'special' actually makes this country into the Death State, draining the life out of the planet, one murdered overseas civilian at a time. Too many people in the US have too much respect for authority, and for their beloved images/videos on TV.

This is my Facebook avatar, the Death State:


And, no, I don't actually overestimate myself. There is nothing special or unusual about me at all. All I've done is open my eyes to the evidence brought to light by Simon and Hoi, and all the rest of us, and I am happy and grateful not being burdened by all the sacred cows weighing on the vast majority of Americans.

Sorry for my negativeness here. I despise the toxic stew of American daily life, and this forum is my only safe-space haven. (As all of you know, every other 'protest' space in America includes plane- and victim-huggers.)

And no, I don't need anyone suggesting I move to another country. It ain't that easy.

[Dcopymope]

The only problem is to create the connections, the dialogues, make them visible on top of the propaganda waves.

You are right on all your points. I was feeling angry, and sad, last night, after some dead-end discussions with people recently. I'm really pissed off at the people close to me who still believe the partisan crap spoonfed to them, and their apparent unwillingness to see that what makes this country 'special' actually makes this country into the Death State, draining the life out of the planet, one murdered overseas civilian at a time. Too many people in the US have too much respect for authority, and for their beloved images/videos on TV.

This is my Facebook avatar, the Death State:


And, no, I don't actually overestimate myself. There is nothing special or unusual about me at all. All I've done is open my eyes to the evidence brought to light by Simon and Hoi, and all the rest of us, and I am happy and grateful not being burdened by all the sacred cows weighing on the vast majority of Americans.

Sorry for my negativeness here. I despise the toxic stew of American daily life, and this forum is my only safe-space haven. (As all of you know, every other 'protest' space in America includes plane- and victim-huggers.)

And no, I don't need anyone suggesting I move to another country. It ain't that easy.

If I could, I would move out as far away from any city as possible and live off the land. A city is a place you really won't want to be as time goes along. I would say that by the year 2050, America's way of life as it stands will be a very different one, and it won't be any better either, it will be tightly regimented, this also goes for the rest of the world that is and will be under the boot of the New World Order.

[Terence.drew]

under the boot of the New World Order.

Dcopymore would you mind explaining the NWO plans for population culling because I don't understand it. Thanks.

[nonhocapito]

The only problem is to create the connections, the dialogues, make them visible on top of the propaganda waves.

You are right on all your points. I was feeling angry, and sad, last night, after some dead-end discussions with people recently. I'm really pissed off at the people close to me who still believe the partisan crap spoonfed to them, and their apparent unwillingness to see that what makes this country 'special' actually makes this country into the Death State, draining the life out of the planet, one murdered overseas civilian at a time. Too many people in the US have too much respect for authority, and for their beloved images/videos on TV.

This is my Facebook avatar, the Death State:


And, no, I don't actually overestimate myself. There is nothing special or unusual about me at all. All I've done is open my eyes to the evidence brought to light by Simon and Hoi, and all the rest of us, and I am happy and grateful not being burdened by all the sacred cows weighing on the vast majority of Americans.

Sorry for my negativeness here. I despise the toxic stew of American daily life, and this forum is my only safe-space haven. (As all of you know, every other 'protest' space in America includes plane- and victim-huggers.)

And no, I don't need anyone suggesting I move to another country. It ain't that easy.

fbenario, thank you for this post of yours. I know the feeling of sadness and aggravation, we all feel it now and then. Only recently I made "the mistake" to talk with some friends about fakery (9/11 and the Apollo hoax mostly), after which the same conversation came back to me through other persons turned into a joke about the crazy lunatic I am becoming. Because I don't have the ability or the commitment of someone like Simon Shack who made his discoveries and ideas into an incredibly persuasive movie, like you I can find myself stuck in conversations, in front of a wall of indifference or denial where people don't even really want to hear details or evidence, but --when you are lucky-- just want to be entertained. "I can give you a couple of websites to check out" "Nah, I'm good man."
You are right, suggesting to move to another country is stupid, besides I don't think you would find better conditions only because of a change of scenery, more or less it is the same everywhere. In America you have certain aggravations, in Europe you have others. Each of us has to find his own way, which (I think) has more to do with how able we are to accept and enjoy this world despite everything, more than hoping for better circumstances. (Sorry for the lame advice) Hang in there my friend

[warriorhun]

Dear All,

Another funny rebel picture from LOLvideos Inc. :

"- And the winner of the benghazi Gaddhafi-lookalike competition is this loony, who received the majority of the SMS-votes from the Tripoli TV-viewers of The Real World reality show's Libyan edition: Uncle Hassan, the Village Idiot!"

[Makkonen]

That mounted gun looks blatantly CGI... I guess they are going more for quantity than quality with all these pictures...

[Extremophile]

Assault rifle....check
Bazooka....check
Rambo knife....check
Handgrenade....check
Ammunition for grabs....check
Handcuffs....check
Funny soviet styled military hat....check

Military decorations to show the enemy they're dealing with a hardened veteran with a double chin..... PRICELESS!

Nice one again, warriorhun

[nonhocapito]

Dear All,

Another funny rebel picture from LOLvideos Inc. :

"- And the winner of the benghazi Gaddhafi-lookalike competition is this loony, who received the majority of the SMS-votes from the Tripoli TV-viewers of The Real World reality show's Libyan edition: Uncle Hassan, the Village Idiot!"

what a character. How do they imagine we take this seriously? This is really becoming the most cliché hollywoodish rebellion ever.
Brand new gun BTW.

http://www.medals.org.uk/libya/libya-ki ... dom004.htm