Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

[nonhocapito]

You may be in favour of third world colored immigration, but if this picture is for real, I would not want these lads as my new neighbours, but only because I would fear they may steal my bike, too:

Dear Warriorhun,

I am not laughing with you that much... To simplify the matter, I am sorry but I think you are a bit of a racist... that's your problem, I'm not judging you or anything, you must have your reasons.

Other than being stupid and insulting though, just keep in mind that it could be very damaging for the forum if we give the impression of being against categories of people for their ethnicity or creed. So racism cannot work here.

Your speeches against being raped or robbed or knifed by people from different parts of the world makes no sense whatsoever. As if being robbed by your contryman is better. Why?
Hey, short story, guess what, I went to Budapest years ago, met a girl, went to a bar, got my drink spiked with some drug by the barman and in a confusing state got forced to pay a considerable sum of money for said drink. Managed to get back to my hotel and woke up the next day with a splitting headache. It could have been much worse was I not kind of resistant to drugs in general. This is a true story and, you know, I think those people were Hungarians. Sorry for the bad ending.

And the muslims or "colored" like you call them. Do you think they would like it if they read such a characterization? "colored"? Why, doesn't your skin have any color at all? Or would you be happy to read that people that know nothing about your culture and your reasons described your people as "rat-ass communists" or "ugly barbarians" or "half-criminal cowards who spike drinks to rob tourists?"

And: Even when we agree on our observations on Israel and Mossad, we don't and will never agree on a characterizations of the jewish people with remarks like "big-nosed people".
Sure, given the generally enforced global moratorium on any criticism on Israel or the jews, I know it can be liberating to realize criticism and even political attack or cruel jokes are still possible. But are they really? Here it seems you want to prove them right by showing that criticism hides racist ideas and the eternal song of the "antisemitism". You are making ADL a favor with this, warriorhun, so... congratulations.

"Colored", "Big nosed people".. this is not funny or clever, it is not a political attack and it is not satire: it is moronic, offensive, racist, narrow-minded and, on your part, suicidal (I mean of course, suicide of your internet-persona on this forum).
You wouldn't be the first one to "suicide" on a forum with a sudden out-of-line behavior like this, but I would be very sorry to see you go for this.

You are obviously an experienced fellow so please wise up.

Sincerely, etc.

[Dcopymope]

How are the 5.5. billion killed and why?

I am sure the idea of population reduction is certainly taken in consideration by some member of the elite who is sick in his fucked up head, yet I think that in essence it is yet another fear-monger depiction of reality that has no real value except to get people scared and worried and mad about something they can't do anything against.
Just think of all the power that corporations have because billions of individuals depend on them for everything, from food to all the commodities. They managed to create entire nations of indebted consumers who aren't capable of taking their lives in their hand, and they should exchange that for empty land? Doubtful. They don't live in small apartments and have all the lands they need already.

You know they say that truth is stranger than fiction, and in the case of the ruling establishment wanting to "thin the herd" as is their stated goal in many of their writings it seems that to some truth is scarier than fiction, which is why those people just categorize it as nothing more than "fear-mongering". They'd rather not believe it to be true because it’s scary, understandable, especially looking at the all too often overlooked quotes below from the PNAC crews infamous legion of doom document 'Rebuilding Americas Defenses’, one of many of course.

"Although it may take several decades for the process of transformation to unfold, in time, the art of warfare on air, land, and sea will be vastly different than it is today, and "combat" likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, "cyber-space," and perhaps the world of microbes." - pg 60

"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." - pg 60

Although it is true that not much can be done about any of this, the same can be said about "doing something" with all the evidence that is piled on here about 9/11 and any other issue for that matter, because there is no real clear cut solution for any of it, as far as actually doing something about it.

[repentantandy]

At the time of his early, English syntax-mangling posts, I suspected that our Hungarian friend was just another of Sunstein's legion of troll-shills, with whom this forum has been contending from the start. But then I came to realize that the Warrior was indeed one sharp cookie, who really knows quite a lot about Kissinger-style Realpolitik and Sayanim-enacted shenanigans. Nevertheless, as the months have sped by and WH's posts have rivaled, in number and complexity, the track records of several of the old hands here, his recurrent crudities and brutalisms (so rightly and righteously denounced above) continue at times to rekindle my early Sunstein suspicions. But as of today/tonight (wherever you all might be situated as you read this) my hope is that Hoi will go easy on the forum's kill switch, and provide yet another grace period for WH to curb his "Inner Adolph". WH's command of English has (suspiciously, perhaps) improved -- but so has the (apparent) insight he has provided us into where his witheringly cynical, and compassion-deficient mindset originates: the cesspool of nihilism fermented from decades of soul-crushing hopelessness under Stalinist (and beyond) Communism.

[hoi.polloi]

I like warriorhun's point of view - a lot. I believe he adds a lot to the forum.

I find the racism out of place and I can see how it is a bit clownish and prankstery and fun in a sort of "offensive stand up comedian" sort of way -- and I would definitely welcome and discuss bigoted viewpoints in many other aspects of my life (and I do, for better or worse) but I just don't think our forum is the right place to do it.

Why?

Tolerance is a modern way of life. Forget the "global agenda" of a so-called "elite" and consider what benefits we get from cooperation and peace.

I am not interested in trying to cure this "war on terror" hoax for academic reasons. There is an element of populous resistance against hate and racism that is crucial to the spirit of our peace movement. It is practically undeniable that deep-seeded racism is involved in the 9/11 perps' methods - no matter how much various Arab peoples are involved in helping the hoax along - and it can only help these wealthy elites to divide the poor sots like ourselves from each other. It can only make their goals slicked and fluid when they can ride the waves of our hate and intolerance for each other.

We want all people to feel empowered to do scientific research and have a healthy curiosity about world events - not just Hungarians or "white" people. We are not all tribally unified, anyway. It took several plane tickets, a train and a car for me to just go meet Simon in person.

This research is "open source" - that means it is for everyone - all humans across the globe.

[warriorhun]

Come on, guys, gimme a break!
Take it easy!

I would be the happiest man if the world really was like when I took an Extasy, or smoked some Ganja, on a Goa trance techno party at age 20, and all that was surrounding me was smiles, happiness and love. My personal experience with humans convinced me this is not the case, the world and the people are fucked up. But I still love life and humans, would you believe?
Sorry for noticing that people are not a homogenous mass, like the Chineese under Mao in their blue uniforms (which is just an example again before you start up, I know each of those uniformed people had distinct personalities, okay?). Next time I close my eyes on people's characteristics, and pretend everybody is similar. And soon as you convince me that people who are different from me (which I of course, will not notice) love me un-conditionally because of this (and they are not noticing my difference either), and they have my best interests at heart, I will cease to be suspicious about them. It will not be easy, as half my secondary school class were skinheads back in the early nineties, and my English is improving thanks to reading the crime novels of James Ellroy... But you have to draw the line somewhere: if people have big noses, they have, period. (This was again a joke, and do not start up it was not funny, because it was!)Just like this picture with Outtara's soldier in the gas mask in Ivory Coast, if this is not a funny picture, I do not know what is:


And an advice for those who are travelling to Budapest, Hungary: the smiling young ladies chatting you up on Váci street who suggest to visit a bar on Váci street are paid just for that, and when you order a drink, you are doomed: they will force you to pay half a mortgage. If that happens, call the police, the Government is eager to stop this foul practice.

And, just to make sure everybody understands, I write it in capital letters, that my view of the world may be cynical, but still:
I PREFER LOVE AND PEACE ABOVE ALL ELSE!

I do respect the people and cultures of other races, believe it or not!
What is more, I find the tribal warriors of Ivory Coast insanely cool, and if I was born there, I would join the fun myself! If I was born Jewish, I would plot the taking over of the world with my pals, laughing all the way! If I was born in Iraq, I would be a patriotic iraqi insurgent (mainly to impress the local ladies, because shovelling in the night to plant those IEDs is suspiciously close to my interpretation of hard work, but I think it would worth it: I bet the insurgents are the most frequently laid males in Iraq)!
But is it okay if I respect these people from far away, without wanting them to become my next door neighbours, or them having a decisive say in the affairs of my country?

[nonhocapito]

Come on, guys, gimme a break!

Hey, you get plenty of breaks, this is not the infowars forums
I think you mistake "unconditional love" for people different than you with "respect". Because we live in a society, we oughta respect. I am not selling to you people from this or that country, or the Lennon BS of one world where we are all the same. But we are all on the same planet and on this planet we have to remain, so we have to make things work.
This discussion is not about your opinions per se but the welfare of this forum, I hope you realize that?
You said that (I am paraphrasing) "the immigration to europe of the masses of muslim/colored people makes curdle your blood". If I got to know you in person and could see what a nice guy you are, I would laugh with you at this joke while we drink beer. Even if this was not a joke, I guess I would still tolerate your feelings, especially if you're paying for the beer, and would not put a label on you for that remark.

However, on a forum words remain and we must be extra careful.
We just have to realize that I, you, and everyone here we all have a responsibility towards this forum. If we let you say such things and not react to it, for annoying that this is, we could be damaging this forum: you certainly realize that just one phrase like the big-nosed people or the colored or immigrants that make your blood curdle can be enough for anyone to say: "hey this seemed interesting but they must be a bunch of racist pricks, I cannot afford to be mixed with them. I guess Alex Jones was right, these no-planers are no good."

Catch the drift?

Another thing: there is no real "invasion". Immigrants can be absorbed by our richer nations pretty easily. The numbers are not so significant like they tell you they are. The impact is rough only because the conditions these people suffer in our countries are not equal, their families are often far away, they are exploited, pissed, there is no real integration... a whole series of problems arise.

[hoi.polloi]

What is more, I find the tribal warriors of Ivory Coast insanely cool, and if I was born there, I would join the fun myself! If I was born Jewish, I would plot the taking over of the world with my pals, laughing all the way! If I was born in Iraq, I would be a patriotic iraqi insurgent (mainly to impress the local ladies, because shovelling in the night to plant those IEDs is suspiciously close to my interpretation of hard work, but I think it would worth it: I bet the insurgents are the most frequently laid males in Iraq)!

Love of stereotypes is still stereotyping. If you said about Anglo people, "Man I sure love those crackers and their nasaly voices" it doesn't mean you are actually expressing love - you are just expressing/embracing your racism and calling it tolerance. True tolerance will allow you to see your experience with neo-Nazis from a new perspective rather than calling every bald person you see a neo-Nazi.

This shouldn't be a discussion of how to truly get to know and understand and appreciate people - that you may have to find out for yourself - but this needs to be said about your brief story; it sounds like you have been traumatized. I see that you truly do not understand what we are saying about not pre-judging people and that you genuinely believe the closed minded things you say. I can only pity you and your stereotyping of love as some kind of hallucinogenic experience only achievable through mind-altering drugs. What do you do - watch television all day where awful messages like this are pumped out on a minute-by-minute basis? Try opening your mind without substances, if you can. Your life could improve dramatically. I am glad you believe in compassion, even if you don't feel it. That's a start. And it will have to "do" as your method of staying on this forum.

[gwynned]

I hope we can get back to the topic at hand. One point made certainly cannot be disputed. Mass migrations of people cause problems. Whether one individual is 'racist' will have no bearing on the outcome of a migration. It's simply a fact. Further, I don't think anyone has ever been 'cured' of racism by a lecture or moral persuasion.

A legitimate point was made with regard to these mass migrations. Assuming that the conflict was designed to create this mass migration to Europe, one has to contemplate the possibility that this was done so by design. And anyone in Europe who objects is a 'racist.'

[hoi.polloi]

This is the topic at hand if you are going to keep adding to it.

So you also feel threatened by migration. That's fine. You are not a racist for that. What's 'racist' is using childish namecalling language to judge people who have done nothing to you at all. This is not a touchy-feely socialist conspiracy. It's basic human conduct around others. You don't talk about people like this to their face and you don't do it "behind their back" and keep in mind also this is the Internet and anyone can read your unexamined folklore assumptions as you type them.

[warriorhun]

Dear nonho and hoi,

I curbed my "inner Adolf", went back and re-phrased my last few comments, weeding out everything I deemed possibly offensive. Did not become PC, but I hope it will do.
Yeah, sometimes I got carried away, so feel free to remind me if my comments may show our beloved forum in a negative light. Finding you people was like being an alien and finding intelligent life at long last on a planet otherwise made of total bullshit. I really enjoy the intellectual challenge of interpreting the real world behind media manipulation and propaganda. I like your ideas, and enjoy the clashing of our opinions. Only from clashing of opinions will come real results: if we simply accepted un-conditionally what other people say, we would not be here in the first place, and might as well watch our TVs believing the talking heads on the screen.
I am prone to casual "racism" I admit, even "anti-semitism", but that does not mean I am foaming at the mouth, wanting to herd people onto cattle-trains to take them to camps, or to reinstate slavery, or whatever. I find it totally ridiculous that if you have general preferences regarding different people, let the difference be race, religion or whatever, then you are automatically accused of being a primitive hater who just can not wait to indulge in acts of savage violence against others. You can be biased and even prejudiced on a general level, without it meaning a thing on individual level. I have met people of different races, faiths, or ethnicity in my life, and I was always interested in who they were as individuals, learning from them about their culture, and not once did I put on them slave chains to force them to work on my plantation, did not burn down their temples, nor made disparaging remarks of their folks.
But on the general level, I really hate this Politically Correct world of ours, I find it hypocritical and very dangerous. What I say is, stereotyping and generalizing is not negative thing but it is perfectly normal and reasonable, and what is more, it is essential for survival on a personal level and on national level.
We are not alienated individuals, we are not world citizens, we are humans who live in human groups since caveman times, and the group defines itself as "us", and the rest of the people as "others". The peace or conflict between "us" and "others" depends not only on "us", it depends on the "others", too. A big problem with tragical outcome will come if somebody convinces "us" that the "others" are actually "us", too, and "us" start to behave as if it was true, without the "others" accepting it and returning this favor. This is what I call the suicide of "us", and this is how I view Multikulturalism. Simple game theory if we scratch the surface.
This is not about "hate-speech", this is not about looking down on others or feeling superior or goose-stepping around: this is being aware of the need of self-defence, this is being street-smart, this is having simple peasant common sense. This is not buying into social engineering promising you an Earthly paradise in exchange of your behaving stupid, because if you are being stupid and become defenseless, the heartless will fuck you over in a minute, and instead of the promised Paradise you will wake up in a living Hell. In my humble opinion, of course.

[warriorhun]

Dear All,

Back to Libya, and LOLvideos Inc. funny rebel battle pictures:

Rebel fighters jump away from shrapnel during heavy shelling by forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi near Bin Jawad:



At the same time, in a parallel dimension, our hero jumps away from a different piece of shrapnel:



Should not worry: he escaped. But which dimension it is, with which shrapnel? Fuck knows. Or Goran Tomasevic of reuters...:



I can not even laugh out loud on this bollocks. My opinion is:

[hoi.polloi]

But on the general level, I really hate this Politically Correct world of ours, I find it hypocritical and very dangerous. What I say is, stereotyping and generalizing is not negative thing but it is perfectly normal and reasonable, and what is more, it is essential for survival on a personal level and on national level.
We are not alienated individuals, we are not world citizens, we are humans who live in human groups since caveman times, and the group defines itself as "us", and the rest of the people as "others". The peace or conflict between "us" and "others" depends not only on "us", it depends on the "others", too. A big problem with tragical outcome will come if somebody convinces "us" that the "others" are actually "us", too, and "us" start to behave as if it was true, without the "others" accepting it and returning this favor. This is what I call the suicide of "us", and this is how I view Multikulturalism. Simple game theory if we scratch the surface.

Thank you, warriorhun. I feel much better about your defensive stereotyping now that I understand you see it as a method of personal defense and also of basic human dignity. I think we disagree in some ways but deep down we probably feel the same way in other ways. I admire your intelligence and your cooperation. If it were up to me, there would be much less censorship of any kind in many aspects of life -- but thanks for helping us maintain a sort of cooperative model for this particular forum. It is not a slight against you nor an attempt to personally change you or your opinions about the world in any way.

Moving on to our collective prejudice against the chuckleheads in charge of faking global media ... now there we might be a bit hypocritical on the forum ... constantly making fun of those who are attempting to deceive everyone. But time will judge our actions in the right or in the wrong. It's only partially up to us, ultimately.

[warriorhun]

Dear hoi.polloi,

UPDATED:
Do not want to be off-topic, but I think with racial questions we are at least half on-topic, because the compulsory Politically Correct and Multikulti view of the racial questions of today are pushed on the masses by Mainstream Media too, and these pushed views are distorted by default, because the owners of the Media have their own racial loyalty and are forwarding their own racial agendas.

You say:

I feel much better about your defensive stereotyping now that I understand you see it as a method of personal defense and also of basic human dignity.

You are spot on. Yep, that's me, my intentions and my way of thinking. I could not have articulated better myself in a short sentence. Racial questions are serious issues, they should not be taboo, IMHO. I expect every human being of all races and ethnicity to be proud of their ancestors and their heritage, and to stand up for their own folks' interests: no one will do it in their stead, so if they don't do it themselves, their antagonists will simply laugh at their stupidity and use it against them. So, I try to stand up for Hungary and the Hungarians, that's all...

I am white, Christian, heterosexual, male, and I am proud of it: not because of some superiority bollocks, but because this is me, and I do not want to be something else. Not because I want to uphold the non-existent "white privilege" ( the wealth of the world is not handed over to me on a silver plate, unfortunately): but because living the life of a proud, self-respecting, free man is the way to live.

About immigration. I am open for discussion, ready to be convinced that mass foreign immigration of peoples of a different race, religion and ethnicity to the ancestral lands of the locals is a good thing, pending on one single evidence: that this claim is backed by the personal testimony of a native American Indian saying so and agreeing with it. Too bad they are mostly dead-and not because they were fascist Indians, Redskin Supremacists who got it coming for not understanding the finer points of Multiculturalism...

On Libya and immigration:
It seems Gaddhafi's Libya was in the frontline of keeping Afro-African immigrants out of EU: http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Current-Affa ... 7131127134 And that means those who de-stabilize his system and the region, knew what will happen if central power in Libya will loose its hold. Gaddhafi even asked for money from the EU, EUR 5 billion, to keep his anti-immigration policy going and I bet this money was freezed, too. Interesting, to say the least...

The opinion of "inner Adolf" on solving the immigration problem:
1. Not waging illegal wars against the immigrants' peoples in their home countries. Then they will not become war refugees, and if they still come here for some reason, they will not hate us.
2. Respecting their way of life in their home countries, not trying to tell them how they should live there, and conforming to it if we go there: in exchange we can expect them to respect our way of life and conform to it if they come here, and then we have the right to force them to if they don't comply.
3. We should never, ever try to tell them how they should treat their women in their own countries. The surest way to make a man grab his AK-47 is to mouth into this business, myself included. They find the way we treat our women just as outrageous, but they leave us to it. Those ladies in burqa know how to deal with their men since ancient times, without foreign interference: sex is the female key to the jihadist extremist male heart, the girls in hijab know how to tame an ajatollah and make him melt like butter.
4. Globalized Corporations should not exploit their home countries' national resources and their work, International Banking should not push their countries into debt slavery. If they can enjoy the wealth coming from their work and the resources of their own countries, they will not become economic refugees forced to scrape a living here, but will live happily at home.
See, even "inner Adolf" knows that to avoid the inevitable racial tensions and the escalating of future violence here, the solution has to be human and good enough for all parties involved. But this can not happen if the problem can not be adressed because of PC and if the bringer of bad news is automatically dubbed as "racist".

Back to Libya: did you notice that in the last two months, Libya was front-page news, with new photos and videos every day, and today it is as if it was forgotten, just back-page short articles? The events are still going strong in Libya I bet, but it is as if it is not interesting any more, unimportant, 15 minutes fame is over, back to the heavy topics of Lady Gaga, or of Vaclav Claus Czech Prime Minister stealing a pen on a conference in Chile. Wonder why?...

[fbenario]

Libya All About Oil, Or Central Banking?

Newman quoted CNBC senior editor John Carney, who asked, "Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank
while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era."
...
the same general said they planned to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

What do these seven countries have in common? In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). That evidently puts them outside the long regulatory arm of the central bankers' central bank in Switzerland.

The most renegade of the lot could be Libya and Iraq, the two that have actually been attacked. Kenneth Schortgen Jr, writing on Examiner.com, noted that "[s]ix months before the US moved into Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein, the oil nation had made the move to accept euros instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency, and its dominion as the petrodollar."

According to a Russian article titled "Bombing of Libya - Punishment for Ghaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar", Gaddafi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gaddafi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency.

During the past year, the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries. The only opponents were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States. The initiative was viewed negatively by the USA and the European Union, with French President Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind; but Gaddafi was not swayed and continued his push for the creation of a united Africa.

And that brings us back to the puzzle of the Libyan central bank. In an article posted on the Market Oracle, Eric Encina observed:

One seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned ... Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.

Libya not only has oil. According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), its central bank has nearly 144 tonnes of gold in its vaults. With that sort of asset base, who needs the BIS, the IMF and their rules? "

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e27881.htm

[Guerrero]

I was watching the news this morning, & they said that the FBI is on alert because of the potential threat of Libyan Terrorists attacking the U.S.


I immediately thought to myself, oh my goodness, this is total BS! This is the reason why I barely, if ever, watch the news, it's all a goddamn lie!

Yeah, I pretty much have the same reaction when dealing with any kind of mainstream news outlet whether it be CNN or NYT or NPR etc etc...I often get sick feeling as well as super frustrated and angry. I just wish it was easier to wake more people up.