Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

[Guerrero]

I just wanted to mention that I happened to be in Heathrow airport the other day and happened to notice an "advert" for HSBC bank that showed some Sarahan-like youth with the text statement of this, "3% of the Saharan desert could provide enough energy for all of Europe."

Funny that. Kinda truth hidden in plain sight, don'tchyathink?

[Guerrero]

But on the general level, I really hate this Politically Correct world of ours, I find it hypocritical and very dangerous. What I say is, stereotyping and generalizing is not negative thing but it is perfectly normal and reasonable, and what is more, it is essential for survival on a personal level and on national level.
We are not alienated individuals, we are not world citizens, we are humans who live in human groups since caveman times, and the group defines itself as "us", and the rest of the people as "others". The peace or conflict between "us" and "others" depends not only on "us", it depends on the "others", too. A big problem with tragical outcome will come if somebody convinces "us" that the "others" are actually "us", too, and "us" start to behave as if it was true, without the "others" accepting it and returning this favor. This is what I call the suicide of "us", and this is how I view Multikulturalism. Simple game theory if we scratch the surface.

well problem is when stereotyping and generalizations are used to propagate misinformation and straight up deception. it's one thing to genuinely make observations and with no political or harmful or evil agenda in mind, make a general observation about a said group of people in a certain country or of a certain socio economic class etc. But when stereotyping is used to manipulate the "ignorant" audiences perceptions of people by intentionally promoting FALSE stereotypes, that is when stereotyping is racist, harmful, and even evil. Warriorhun, I'll give you an example of how you are doing this: You keep equating Muslims = Arabs or Muslims = Foreign brown people or Muslims = coloreds, which is promoting the exact FALSE, DECEITFUL and INTENTIONALLY Harmful stereotyping of muslims that has been used by Hollywood, mainstream media, etc., in order to promote support for certain political/other agendas that serve only a small elite of people (and that small elite does not include you). Maybe you yourself are ignorant of the facts or maybe you are an actual troll/shill like someone else mentioned above but regardless, I'd like to correct your FALSE stereotyping. Islam (and muslims is just a word for those who practice islam) is NOT a race or ethnicity or nationality, it is a religion. Like Christianity, it transcends race, socioecnomic background, nationality, etc. Apparently you have never met a "white" muslim. I encourage you to step outside your small bubble and engage with muslims. I can provide you links of muslims of all races, national origins, ethnicities, etc. that are discussing their faith. BTW in the US, Arab is white. Don't you consider jewish (the race, not the religion), white? What does white vs colored even mean? If you are just stuck on nationality (which is a political created illusion btw), i'm sure you could go out there and find yourself some hungarian born muslims to engage in conversation and perhaps start a real step towards a better, more peaceful, more enlightened world. Isn't that what we all want in the end anyway?

[simonshack]

...and perhaps start a real step towards a better, more peaceful, more enlightened world. Isn't that what we all want in the end anyway?

Yes - indeed. That's what I - for one - ardently wish for.

[warriorhun]

Dear Guerrero,

Sometimes I feel we are not talking about the same thing, that words do not have a generally accepted meaning any more in today's world.
Do not want to be off-topic on the long run, but a few points I'd like to make:
1. The words you were quoting were actually my own words, and hoi.polloi just quoted them like you. That opinion you quoted was mine own opinion, not hoi's.
2. I am aware that Islam is a religion and not a race. For example, the Bosniak Muslim people of ex-Yugoslavia are as palefaces as Snow White. I respect all people who value spirituality over the materialistic approach, and that includes Islam, too.
3. I thought my opinion is clear: I want everyone to live in peace, earning a decent living, on the land of their fathers, surrounded by their own people, in the loving company of their families! And I mean everybody: Muslims, Americans, Afro-Africans, Hungarians, ALL human beings of all races and religions!
4. But: mass immigration creates conflicts by default, and if you are the local on your ancestral land, you have the right to forestall that by not allowing it, or to chuck everybody out on whatever basis you like, be it race, color, or smell, or for not having a hat on, or for having a hat on, because you are at home and they are not.
5. Jews and whiteness? Glad you asked. When I was younger and less jew-wise, it always puzzled me why people who seem to be just like me, who seem to be one of my own people, are so fiercely against us pursuing our own interests, and are telling us to favour others’ interests instead. It simply did not make sense. People who are looking just like one of us can confuse and mislead us with their anti-white brainwashing propaganda disguised as “self-criticism” of the white race, if we are unsuspecting and not paying attention! (And not just about race: for a long time I did not understand the reason of anti-Hungarian propaganda seemingly coming from the mouths of Hungarians, and I realised just after wisening up that in fact only the language was Hungarian...)
These "white people" who are pushing the non-existent "white privilege" issue, promoting "white guilt", spouting the anti-white propaganda, PC and Multikulti, are, if you scratch the surface, mostly Jewish. The Jewish ownership of the Media means any racial issues pushed in the Media, be it anti-racism or Multikulti or immigration, is pushed by people who have their own racial loyalty and own racial agendas, and who are historically against the Christian white men.
I see their skin colour, but they do not perceive themselves as one of us, never did, never will do, because they aren't. Here is this randomly selected article from lots of similar I found which tells they are the people teaching us what to think about races and what to think about our own white race, all the while behaving as in the title of the article: "I'M NOT WHITE, I AM JEWISH!" http://www.paulkivel.com/articles/imnot ... jewish.pdf Reading this load of bollocks I did not fail to notice the Jewish author saying about Jews living in Christian Europe:

"During that time we (Jews: sic!) assimilated a tremendous amount of European culture in order to survive. We have learned how to adapt, camouflage, assimilate, sabotage, resist, and undermine some of that culture.

Of course we will read in the article that it is white Christians who always were and are responsible for all the evils of history and of today, that the Jews are not responsible for the Crucifiction of Christ ( Pilatus is still washing is hands though, unless they already re-wrote the Bible ), and that it is falsely perceived that Jewish bankers and their ilk are at the top of the economy. All the while I was reading it, I had to curb "inner Adolf" who wanted to grab his Schmeisser. But seriously: I think today's racial conflicts are pushed on us with intention, like the mass immigration forced on white Christian Europe, because if we are in racial conflict with persons of color, we will not turn our attention towards the Jews and so they avoid pogroms: they know an aware white Christian Europe kept them in place throughout history and would be capable to do so again. And make no mistake, in truth, they do not give a flying fuck about the persons of color: in their eyes they are just dumb "goyim" to be used and fucked over, just like us: those international bankers, IMF and World Bank-falsely perceived as Jewish by us stupids-are pushing the third world colored countries into debt slavery and poverty too, without a check in stride, and they do not allow non-jewish persons of color to immigrate into Israel...

But I really do not want to turn our forum into Der Stürmer's 2011 edition: you asked, I answered. This question involves the Media and its ownership, too, that is why I deemed it at least half on-topic.

you say:

a better, more peaceful, more enlightened world. Isn't that what we all want in the end anyway?

Yes, definitely-pending on how we define the main characteristics of that better world, because I am opposed to any kind of Social Engineering promising us an Earthly Paradise. Sometimes the old ways are the best.

[Dcopymope]

I was watching the news this morning, & they said that the FBI is on alert because of the potential threat of Libyan Terrorists attacking the U.S.


I immediately thought to myself, oh my goodness, this is total BS! This is the reason why I barely, if ever, watch the news, it's all a goddamn lie!

Yeah, I pretty much have the same reaction when dealing with any kind of mainstream news outlet whether it be CNN or NYT or NPR etc etc...I often get sick feeling as well as super frustrated and angry. I just wish it was easier to wake more people up.

Here is the reason why its impossible to wake up the masses, and why I don't waste my time with them.

Alan Watt - "Never watch the Televison"

Television - Mass Hypnotic Indoctrination

Your Brain Waves Change When You Watch TV -Low Alpha Waves Can Lead to "Mind Fog"

you say:

a better, more peaceful, more enlightened world. Isn't that what we all want in the end anyway?

Yes, definitely-pending on how we define the main characteristics of that better world, because I am opposed to any kind of Social Engineering promising us an Earthly Paradise. Sometimes the old ways are the best.

Exactly right, totalitarians always hide their real intent behind good intentions, by promising the masses a utopia, which is how this "New World Order" is being sold to the masses now. Their not going to come out and outright tell us that they intent to put us in absolute bondage, they tell the masses what they want to hear, you simply promise them a wonderful life, a happy global village. It doesn't matter if the same people promising them this are the same rotten crooks responsible for the state that the world is in the first place, because the masses, or the sheep see those criminals as their good shepherd.

[nonhocapito]

Another video by RT that seem to inquire into the faking of rebellion and, hear hear, the faking of "internet personas" on internet propaganda tools like facebook and twitter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxlixI6jJEs

You gotta wonder what RT's agenda is, and whose interests they represent, but these days, at least regarding this middle-east/north african mess, they seem to be coming from a different "front" than the one that globally wants the sheer idea of fakery to be hidden from, and used against, the public.

[Dcopymope]

Another video by RT that seem to inquire into the faking of rebellion and, hear hear, the faking of "internet personas" on internet propaganda tools like facebook and twitter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxlixI6jJEs

You gotta wonder what RT's agenda is, and whose interests they represent, but these days, at least regarding this middle-east/north african mess, they seem to be coming from a different "front" than the one that globally wants the sheer idea of fakery to be hidden from, and used against, the public.

Mainstream news sources have been reporting on governments creating sock puppet accounts to spread propaganda as well for quite some time now, so RT reporting on this is nothing special at all and it doesn't make RT any less a psy op than WikiLeaks. I have yet to see a news piece done by RT about the media fakery surrounding 9/11 and all other false flag events. RT's agenda seems to be the same as that of Alex Jones (and WikiLeaks), who has also made frequent appearances on the show, and that is spoon feeding its audience with certain information as if its "breaking news" or an earth shattering revelation but never giving them the whole truth, in this case, concerning media fakery. Its another clever way of engaging in disinformation, by the omission of info to deliberately lead those receiving the info to faulty conclusions.

[hoi.polloi]

Interesting observation, Dcopymope.

I guess since certain channels keep certain "stances" on things, they can easily spin countries into conflicting ideas. USA spins the "9/11 was a terrorist attack" plate and Russia can keep at the "CNN lies all the time" plate and none of them ever admits they are working together to set up a false global dynamic.

[gwynned]

I have a different theory. RT has posted some of the most amusing fake videos. They know they're fake, but they seem to be going along with things because it affords them the opportunity to reveal some truths behind it. In other words, they know the story is itself a lie, but like a parable reveals a greater truth.

[hoi.polloi]

I have a different theory. RT has posted some of the most amusing fake videos. They know they're fake, but they seem to be going along with things because it affords them the opportunity to reveal some truths behind it. In other words, they know the story is itself a lie, but like a parable reveals a greater truth.

Could be. Still, why not just use plain language like Simon does -- say something like, "The media is in bed with the military and is their never-ending propaganda spokesmodel."?

Why should they use cryptic language when we find ourselves at liberty to speak plainly about the entire falseness of the "Apollo" program and the "9/11 terrorist attack"?

I think it's likely they are trying to replace our expectancy for recorded human beings for a simulated reality. The sims will say everything we say - do everything we do - but it'll be artificially controlled.

To give an "on-topic" example, the Egypt revolution may have actually happened without Facebook or anything like that, but they needed to control it and copy it as it happened. This is why there is so much fake video and fake news stories related to it.

[gwynned]

Could be. Still, why not just use plain language like Simon does -- say something like, "The media is in bed with the military and is their never-ending propaganda spokesmodel."?

Why should they use cryptic language when we find ourselves at liberty to speak plainly about the entire falseness of the "Apollo" program and the "9/11 terrorist attack"?

I think it's likely they are trying to replace our expectancy for recorded human beings for a simulated reality. The sims will say everything we say - do everything we do - but it'll be artificially controlled.

Yes the COULD just come out and blurt out the truth, but they would be immediately discredited by the very people they are trying to reach as 'conspiracy nuts.' My hunch is that RT is only part of an overall plan of disclosure, of which, for example, Wikileaks is also a part. Now I realize that Assange is a complete fake and the sex charges were ludicrous, but that all seemed part of a publicity campaign to draw attention to some real truths. A similar methodology is being used by RT. Some of it is completel BS but even the BS is beling used as an object lesson.

And this may seem off topic, but what's with the broadcasters speaking gibberish? Is that another means of exposing the truth about the news? That the nonsense makes as much sense as anything else? I think something of import is happening under the surface on a large scale basis to break the deadlock that has stifled real news from surfacing......

[Makkonen]

And this may seem off topic, but what's with the broadcasters speaking gibberish? Is that another means of exposing the truth about the news? That the nonsense makes as much sense as anything else? I think something of import is happening under the surface on a large scale basis to break the deadlock that has stifled real news from surfacing......

Well I certainly hope it's not some new military-industrial complex mind control experiment and just done consciously on part of the reporters for whatever reason.

[Dcopymope]

I have a different theory. RT has posted some of the most amusing fake videos. They know they're fake, but they seem to be going along with things because it affords them the opportunity to reveal some truths behind it. In other words, they know the story is itself a lie, but like a parable reveals a greater truth.

Could be. Still, why not just use plain language like Simon does -- say something like, "The media is in bed with the military and is their never-ending propaganda spokesmodel."?

Why should they use cryptic language when we find ourselves at liberty to speak plainly about the entire falseness of the "Apollo" program and the "9/11 terrorist attack"?

I think it's likely they are trying to replace our expectancy for recorded human beings for a simulated reality. The sims will say everything we say - do everything we do - but it'll be artificially controlled.

To give an "on-topic" example, the Egypt revolution may have actually happened without Facebook or anything like that, but they needed to control it and copy it as it happened. This is why there is so much fake video and fake news stories related to it.

The social networking aspect of all of this is bogus in of itself, they really want us to believe that these revolutions was started & completely organized on Facebook or MySpace. If anyone really thinks that they're just going to start up their own little website or an account on some social networking site and suddenly incite a revolution is very naive indeed. If the solution was really this simple, if it was really this easy to get people to suddenly become social activists and do something about the situation that we're in the New World Order agenda would have failed a long time. All the more reason why I suspect RT to be the fraud that it is.

[warriorhun]

Dear Dcopymope and All,

The pushing of "Facebook creates succesful revolutions"-myth was pushed I think for creating in people an impression that in today's information society, the way to do a revolution is to organise it on Social Media by civilians.
Total load of bollocks!
Try to do it, organise a revolution against NWO on Facebook, lets see what happens!
Well, don't do it. Your revolution will be beaten down within the next ten minutes.
You all heard of ECHELON, did not you?
I bet it picks up this electric communication, too. Especially if I type in key words, for example: "Osama Bin Laden", and "bomb"!
On Facebook, you may organise a revolution only if it is approved, or outright ordered by the Establishment. Otherwise it is as if you are giving your name, address, and mothers' maiden name and a big crosshair on your breast: shoot here! And they will, do not worry, they will, soon as.

RT? RT is Media. That is all we need to know.
If you wait for a Media telling you the truth and nothing but the truth, well, all I can say is good luck guys, but do not hold your breath.
You may wait for it all you want, but forgive me if I do not keep waiting with you, life is just too short. Because it will never happen.
I bet in RT and Russian Media, the ex-KGB disinfo division goons are represented in as big number as the ex-III/III are represented in Hungarian media.
You know what: when RT says: never believe a thing they tell you in Media and that includes us and by the way 9/11 was fake and "Al-Qaeda" are Mistaravim, that will be the point when I'll say, well, RT, tell me more-but still will not believe just because they say so.

[Dcopymope]

Dear Dcopymope and All,

The pushing of "Facebook creates succesful revolutions"-myth was pushed I think for creating in people an impression that in today's information society, the way to do a revolution is to organise it on Social Media by civilians.
Total load of bollocks!
Try to do it, organise a revolution against NWO on Facebook, lets see what happens!
Well, don't do it. Your revolution will be beaten down within the next ten minutes.
You all heard of ECHELON, did not you?
I bet it picks up this electric communication, too. Especially if I type in key words, for example: "Osama Bin Laden", and "bomb"!

RT? RT is Media. That is all we need to know.
If you wait for a Media telling you the truth and nothing but the truth, well, all I can say is good luck guys, but do not hold your breath.
You may wait for it all you want, but forgive me if I do not keep waiting with you, life is just too short. Because it will never happen.

Well said, exactly my point.