OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[corsarino]

@simon

Can (you or someone of us) prepare a short survey based on this thread of 80+ pages?

[fred]

Now, unless ABB moved the van here and there telekinetically* whilst shootin' up kids with his endless stacks of exploding bullets, we can call the case...

ABB: Asinine-hoax Busted Busted!

* No doubt media would blame this discrepancy on the police's incompetence/accidental contaminating of evidence (probably why the officer in the middle in the last picture has been pasted there: to give an impression of gross incompetence, what with her gun-pointing-at-colleague-whilst-having-finger-on-the-trigger - shenanigans).

Given that somebody (terrorist group, who knows) just blew up Oslo, I'd be a little bit worried that the Mad Bomber might have set the van up to explode, too. You would think they wouldn't hang out right in front of something like that waiting to get blown to smithereens. They're not afraid of the anthrax he hid under the back seat, apparently. How do these guys know that it's all over?

And with regards to the bullets, supposedly ABB claims in his Manifesto that he ordered "pure nicotine" over the Internet to make each and every exploding bullet a "miniature chemical weapon".

2011 Norway attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In his manifesto he said he was going to use soft-point rifle bullets, injected with 99% pure liquid nicotine, to make them even more lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_​attacks

[Makkonen]

Given that somebody (terrorist group, who knows) just blew up Oslo, I'd be a little bit worried that the Mad Bomber might have set the van up to explode, too. You would think they wouldn't hang out right in front of something like that waiting to get blown to smithereens.

The movement of the van between the pictures implies that somebody's been inside of it whilst the operation was still going on. But, but, there's been no reporting of bombs or suspicion of bombs (or any other such stuff) related to the Utøya van. A strange kind of situation from which I would think it's hard for them to wriggle out with any credibility whatsoever.

[simonshack]

I wonder if this isn't just a completely foreign operation set in Norway with some willing participation from the AUF-- E.g. NATO gives a couple of AUF bigwigs a few million Euros each to play along and rent the island. This doesn't really seem like a homegrown operation the AUF would hatch on their own.

Fred,

That's pretty much exactly what I've been thinking ever since day one (7/22 2011).

These international black operations are looking more and more like an exclusive pizza-delivery service:

"Need a juicy, hot psyop delivered to your doorstep? Call us on freephone 11.22.33.77.99 ! Satisfaction guaranteed!"

In fact, and lest this should be still unclear to my fellow Norwegians, the Norwegian public appears to be mighty satisfied with their leaders' handling of the pulp-fictionalized, roses-&-ketchup-tainted tragedy "that changed Norway forever":

Norwegians hail PM Stoltenberg's response to crisis

"According to a poll published on Wednesday, 94 per cent of Norwegians have been satisfied with the prime minister's performance in the aftermath of last week's massacre while only two per cent have been dissatisfied."
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/norwe ... sis-122834

Norway PM Jens Stoltenberg a hero in the making
[
When the bombs smashed through a large government complex in late afternoon, most workers had already departed for the weekend. But Stoltenberg was still at work. He had no warning, no chance to prepare, no coaching, no practice. When the killings began, so did his response — an unscripted, spontaneous and seemingly intuitive lesson in crisis management.

“Both he and the royal family have acted wisely in an extraordinary situation,” Anders Todal Jenssen, a Norwegian academic, told Norwegian Broadcasting. “I think people have felt that our leaders have had control, have removed uncertainty, and have shown an empathy that’s being noticed.” http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic ... the-making

What a fabulously successful PR operation ! Thanks Mister BB! You are the saviour - and the beloved Big Brother of the ailing Norwegian Labour Party! In time, statues will be raised for you all around the country - from Kristiansand to Nordkapp!
"Mister BB"

[nickless1977]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbuotKlLT24

was just browsing through some of these norweigan labor youth league videos. this one was uploaded the day after the shooting.

No, this was uploaded JUNE 23.

[grav]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbuotKlLT24

was just browsing through some of these Norwegian labor youth league videos. this one was uploaded the day after the shooting.

No, this was uploaded JUNE 23.

oops, thanks, corrected. i was curious about the weird video distortion at :46-:50 in that, if any professional videographers can debunk it as a 'focusing' issue or something. i've never seen anything like it besides as a deliberate post-processing effect for artistic purposes or whatever.

[Makkonen]

But Stoltenberg was still at work. He had no warning, no chance to prepare, no coaching, no practice. When the killings began, so did his response — an unscripted, spontaneous and seemingly intuitive lesson in crisis management.

Now THAT is a lie.

[Makkonen]

Don't you find it strange that NO-ONE from Norway backs you up? That NO-ONE agrees with these ridiculous claims (no bomb, no shooting, no dead, ABB does not exist, and all this bullshit)?

Yes, poor little Cluesforum...



...forever alone.

But why shouldn't the tables be turned? If you say YES bomb, YES shooting, YES dead, ABB does exist, NO bullshit... and if somebody asks you to robustly prove it, you must say:



Otherwise you have no substance whatsoever.

(OK, enough for this little memedom trek. )

[simonshack]

*

And just to make my point clear as to why I am no fan of Jens Stoltenberg...

Before he became the 'hero' of the Norwegian public, this episode was his most notable 'claim to fame':

THE PARKING INCIDENT
In 2001, shortly after he had quit after his first term as prime minister, Stoltenberg gained some negative media attention when he crashed with a parked car in a parking lot. According to an eye witness, an employee of the Norwegian High Command with a security clearance, Stoltenberg went over to check on the other car twice, and the eye witness thought he fastened a note to the windscreen of the damaged car. Then Stoltenberg took off in his car, a Saab 93 leased to the Norwegian Labour Party, and the High Command employee approached the damaged vehicle to check what had been written on the note that was clamped under the windscreen wiper but discovered it was just a blank parking ticket. The damages to the parked car amounted to NOK 8,000 (about US $1,300).The day after the story broke in the media Stoltenberg said he had made a blunder which he regretted. He explained not leaving a notice with having been unable to find a pen. http://www.enotes.com/topic/Jens_Stoltenberg

I don't know about you, but I simply cannot describe the utter disgust I get thinking of such a wealthy and powerful individual doing a hit-and-run parking crash - at the expense of a fellow citizen. If that had been my car that Jens smashed up, I'd walk into his office and smash up his ugly nose - and I'd have him chew and swallow that blank parking ticket! (No, I wouldn't - since i'm against all forms of violence - this is just some figurative speech of mine.)

Anyhow, let me have some fun with my fellow Scandinavian readers now: hey, folks - would you vote for me in the upcoming Norwegian elections? Ok, so I have a Swedish passport right now - but with a Norwegian father I should probably qualify to apply for Norwegian citizenship. So? Whadda ya think? I'm a few years younger than Jens - and almost as handsome as him:




Hmm? Should I run?

[nonhocapito]

Don't you find it strange that NO-ONE from Norway backs you up? That NO-ONE agrees with these ridiculous claims (no bomb, no shooting, no dead, ABB does not exist, and all this bullshit)?

Yes I find it strange! Don't you? What's wrong with Norwegians, really?

I don't know if the perpetrators benefit from mysterious x-rays capable to cow the population and make it --for short bouts of time-- completely emotional and unreceptive to rational thinking, or rather if they really studied mass psychology and know how to fool masses (looking at the unpresentable crap they pass as "facts", I tend to think they cheat in someway).

Regardless, it's how psy-ops work, and why they work. They make antagonist, alternative thoughts impossible. (Remember that short story by David Foster Wallace, about the immediate aftermath of 9/11 in his little town? Despite having recognized right away lies and rhetoric from the media, the thoughts of the narrator are dominated by one problem and one problem above all: not having a U.S. flag to put out in the front yard. Months or years can pass before one awakes from this anxiously patriotic mesmerized state.)

BTW, "nickless", why do I have a feeling you're "without a nickname" because this was the umpteenth time you had to make up a nickname on this forum, and your fantasy has run short?

[brianv]

What nickless might care to explain is how come the TV and the rest of the controlled media isn't screaming foul at cluesforum?

Imagine the headline! Internet Group claim Utoya "massacre" was a hoax! Why haven't they?

Where too are the bereaved families and friends? The real ones, I mean.

[nickless1977]

What nickless might care to explain is how come the TV and the rest of the controlled media isn't screaming foul at cluesforum?

Why would the media bother with some crazy conspiracy theories made up by a bunch of lunatics from a mental asylum? The ignorance on this forum is staggering. You are obviously oblivious to reality. I rest my case.

Where too are the bereaved families and friends?

Several have posted on this very forum, Sol Iren Ulvang for example.

[brianv]

What nickless might care to explain is how come the TV and the rest of the controlled media isn't screaming foul at cluesforum?

Why would the media bother with some crazy conspiracy theories made up by a bunch of lunatics from a mental asylum? The ignorance on this forum is staggering. You are obviously oblivious to reality. I rest my case.

Where too are the bereaved families and friends?

Several have posted on this very forum, Sol Iren Ulvang for example.

crazy conspiracy thoeries! How about this one?

"Lone nutter blows up the government then shoots seventy fourteen kids on an island before handing himself up to cops wearing NY baseball caps and Oakleys"

Why are you here? To tell a "bunch of lunatics" that they are wrong? Doesn't that make you a greater lunatic?

Several family members? Huh?

Sol Ulvang is/was a sock puppet!

[traumabasedmindcontr]

... And another thing; The fact that what ever picture is posted, everyone agrees there's something mystic about it. That there's something not right, some color here and there, a skull on a fucking sock, some weird light in the sea etc., NOT ONCE does one disagree. NOT ONCE does one say "I think that might be...". THAT should ring a bell, and really open your eyes to the fact that you're looking for stuff that isnt even there, because it helps support the view you had before you even knew what was going on.

Good thing you've pondered the pro:s and con:s of every entry on this 85-page-thread. How long did that take you?

[fred]

Hey, more trolls! What's the going rate for a troll now? Minimum wage plus a penny a word?