OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[Makkonen]

Hmm, interesting. I got this mysterious PM:

Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Sent: August 25th, 2011, 12:28 am
From: brannirosenesleir
To: Makkonen

http://rosenesleir.trykker.com/

http://download757.mediafire.com/f20qz7 ... esleir.pdf



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...and nothing else. The website and the pdf are legit, the latter I scanned with antivirus - it's clean (though I recommend scanning it regardless, just to be absolutely safe). The pdf is a book (manuscript) of sorts, 56 pages (cover included), about this Norway psy op, photos included.

(The mediafire download works regardless of the first error message - just wait a bit still.)

[Unleashed]

Pshea, forgive me, but you are starting to read like a bit of a ringer.

What possible purpose is there in pretending someone is sitting at a table. Unless the table were important and the person would never under under normal circumstances be sitting at this location.

It was as head scratching to me as your post on the Amy Winehouse thread. Are you in fact poking fun at the forum in some way?


To clarify my position, this could be some random person sitting at a coffeehouse in Walla Walla, Washington for all I know. I suspect photos are lifted from idle or abandoned facebook pages that have been reworked to represent a history of the 'new' owner in some cases. And to create personas in others.

I'm afraid I am scratching my head now. I don't know what you mean at all.
And what is a 'ringer'.
I certainly am not trying to poke fun at this forum. Are you saying that there
is no need to point out these anomalies or that I am pointing out the obvious or I am
in error?
As regards the Amy Whinehouse post, I was just giving my opinion and
if it is not appreciated, for whatever reasons, it can easily be deleted.

Nevermind. Sorry.

We have a different p-o-v, that doesn't make your's wrong. Or mine right for that matter.
I couldn't see why it would be advantageous to make the kind of changes you were pointing out.
In my mind, all that would be necessary is to tweak the face so that they are not recognizable to anyone from before. That is presuming they were working off a regular photo to start with, and I believe in that case, they were. It wouldn't be necessary to change the clothing because the likelihood of anyone coming forward and saying, "Hey, that's my cousin Sheila!" is very remote.
Because her face is already changed somewhat, possibly hair also. And since clothing is one of those things that are seldom one-of-a-kind articles, why risk it? Only when they need to fake a wound, or pretended soot and stuff like that would it really be important to doctor the clothing shots, imo.

I certainly do not suggest you change your post on the other thread.
Please accept my apologies.

[Tufa]

This blurred background is a nice photo-trick. What bothers me, is that I cannot take photos like this any more, when I use my cell-phone camera. The photo must have been taken by some one who is seriously interested in photography.

The "You never walk alone" is typical for internet-post; I would not write in English on a real card in the memory of a friend. The post-card itself -- if you flip it over, Ivy in Flower -- I cannot see why this was selected. Possibly the Amsterdam card was in memory of a vacation they took together. The writing "Til alle" (for everyone) is also adjusted to be levelled when the card is attached.

This photo is not at all that causal.
And remember, Simon, you never walk alone !

[Maat]

Hmm, interesting. I got this mysterious PM:

Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Sent: August 25th, 2011, 12:28 am
From: brannirosenesleir
To: Makkonen

http://rosenesleir.trykker.com/

http://download757.mediafire.com/f20qz7 ... esleir.pdf

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...and nothing else. The website and the pdf are legit, the latter I scanned with antivirus - it's clean (though I recommend scanning it regardless, just to be absolutely safe). The pdf is a book (manuscript) of sorts, 56 pages (cover included), about this Norway psy op, photos included.

(The mediafire download works regardless of the first error message - just wait a bit still.)

Seems odd they would basically spam you with it without introducing themselves here first if they are legitimately on-side with our Norway hoax research, doesn't it?

I don't know if there's an easier way to translate from pdf files in Adobe (never needed to), I just copied some paragraphs into Google — but even with allowances for the clumsy translation, it reads as a rather verbose waffle to me. Although it seems to mirror/expand some of our vicsim photo analyses (with derivative details), it just sounds a bit superficial. (I'll defer to a native Norwegian speaker's take on it, of course)

However, although It would be great to have a new Norwegian member genuinely awake to the PsyOp, I'm naturally suspicious of this approach For instance, if they can't write English fluently, why didn't they contact Simon directly — or have they already?

[nonhocapito]

Something disturbs me deeply with Tina's hand, but I just can't put my finger on it.

[Makkonen]

Seems odd they would basically spam you with it without introducing themselves here first if they are legitimately on-side with our Norway hoax research, doesn't it?

I don't know if there's an easier way to translate from pdf files in Adobe (never needed to), I just copied some paragraphs into Google — but even with allowances for the clumsy translation, it reads as a rather verbose waffle to me. Although it seems to mirror/expand some of our vicsim photo analyses (with derivative details), it just sounds a bit superficial. (I'll defer to a native Norwegian speaker's take on it, of course)

However, although It would be great to have a new Norwegian member genuinely awake to the PsyOp, I'm naturally suspicious of this approach For instance, if they can't write English fluently, why didn't they contact Simon directly — or have they already?

You're right, I'm not too convinced either that this book should be taken with open arms and at face value. Seems too much like an "obvious" carrot being dangled in front. Better be cautious.

[korereinsdyra]

This blurred background is a nice photo-trick. What bothers me, is that I cannot take photos like this any more, when I use my cell-phone camera. The photo must have been taken by some one who is seriously interested in photography.

The "You never walk alone" is typical for internet-post; I would not write in English on a real card in the memory of a friend. The post-card itself -- if you flip it over, Ivy in Flower -- I cannot see why this was selected. Possibly the Amsterdam card was in memory of a vacation they took together. The writing "Til alle" (for everyone) is also adjusted to be levelled when the card is attached.

This photo is not at all that causal.
And remember, Simon, you never walk alone !

The card says: "til alle berørte" not only "til alle" so its more like to everyone affected of this tragedy. And why not use the english lyricks "You never walk alone". Its a song about hope, faith and never giving up, even in the darkest of time
The names written on the card is from those its from i think At least that is what i make of it

[Makkonen]

Here's a picture from his partner's Oslo photo archive : http://kiim.net/2011/07/24/oslove/

I find it staggering that they couldn't get the phrase right. It's You'll Never Walk Alone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You'll_Never_Walk_Alone

Why do I find it staggering? Because the only thing where I think they could've gotten it from is via following/supporting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C. which is very popular in Norway.

And even if they didn't follow/support LFC, how hard would it be to check it quickly on the net? Especially for a card that's going to be dedicated to those passed away...

Oh well.

[Maat]

This blurred background is a nice photo-trick. What bothers me, is that I cannot take photos like this any more, when I use my cell-phone camera. The photo must have been taken by some one who is seriously interested in photography.

The "You never walk alone" is typical for internet-post; I would not write in English on a real card in the memory of a friend. The post-card itself -- if you flip it over, Ivy in Flower -- I cannot see why this was selected. Possibly the Amsterdam card was in memory of a vacation they took together. The writing "Til alle" (for everyone) is also adjusted to be levelled when the card is attached.

This photo is not at all that causal.
And remember, Simon, you never walk alone !

I agree, Tufa, it is an odd thing to write in memory of a supposedly deceased friend, in presumably a foreign language to the writer, even referencing a (misquoted) song — especially one for encouraging those disheartened by the trials of living, which the departed wouldn't need anymore!

Sorry to be pedantic, but the Matisse painting referenced on that postcard is of a still life with a similar title, i.e. Ivy in Flowers (1941), not the "Ivy in Flower"(1953) that the Dallas Museum has. I thought it was an error at first myself, as the card reads:
"Henri Matisse, 1869-1954, Ivy In Flowers, 1941.
Private Collection. © Henri Matisse heirs 1993, c/o
Beeldrecht Amsterdam"

In the still life painting of Ivy In Flowers (wrongly captioned), you can read Matisse's signature, date & title in French, "lierre en fleurs" (plural).
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Yeah, definitely no walking about by yourself now, Simon

[brianv]

Here's a picture from his partner's Oslo photo archive : http://kiim.net/2011/07/24/oslove/

I find it staggering that they couldn't get the phrase right. It's You'll Never Walk Alone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You'll_Never_Walk_Alone

Why do I find it staggering? Because the only thing where I think they could've gotten it from is via following/supporting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C. which is very popular in Norway.

And even if they didn't follow/support LFC, how hard would it be to check it quickly on the net? Especially for a card that's going to be dedicated to those passed away...

Oh well.

My two pence regarding the photo. Foreground object selected and background blurred has almost become a universal gimp/shopping trick.

The stupid football song title is in quotes!

"Simon" is written twice with a different hand to the above!

The "on" following "Sim" appears to be an afterthought, they managed to get the football chant correctly aligned but not the name of the alleged victim.

[Makkonen]

It looks like Tina was meant to hold something in "her" hand, but something went wrong/changed and perp office drone number 123 said "f**k it, I'm going to compose her in a different setting and just forget the originally proposed pint of beer in her hand."

[Maat]

The card says: "til alle berørte" not only "til alle" so its more like to everyone affected of this tragedy. And why not use the english lyricks "You never walk alone". Its a song about hope, faith and never giving up, even in the darkest of time
The names written on the card is from those its from i think At least that is what i make of it

Perhaps you can explain to us then why you think writing "til alle berørte", 'to all concerned', seems like a normal thing for someone in grief to write on a card supposedly for their dead friend. And, why they would scribble it so badly and not even get the song lyric right!

I take it you have never experienced losing a close friend or relative, or even personally known someone who has, right?

[Maat]

Something disturbs me deeply with Tina's hand, but I just can't put my finger on it.

Oh geez! I knew it looked awkward, but it hadn't occurred to me they'd actually flipped it upside down!

Useless prats We've been underestimating their incompetence

[Unleashed]

Tina's got "man hands". Is it possible the body was originally a dude?

http://www.nextag.com/striped-hoodie/compare-html

[Makkonen]

The simulated family / actors will leap in defense, though: "But Tina was always a brilliant contortionist. She just forgot her practice mode on before going into the café. Isn't it obvious?!"

EDIT: You're right, Maat, it's not exactly a café-like environment, but the disposable product in front of her hints at a shop of some kind, nevertheless.