9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby AmongTheThugs on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:45 am

within the last week i heard that she just moved into a mansion somewhere in california. maybe she'll commit suicide on the anniversary? :D
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Mickey on Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:19 pm

nonhocapito wrote:If it is so, it is obvious that the "celebrity" status of Uchitel is nothing but a device aimed at lending more credibility to the victims of 9/11. Remarkably, 10 years later it still serves this purpose. The woman doesn't take one step without reminding us of 9/11. Personally, I don't even believe "Rachel Uchitel" is her real name. It's more like a stage name, except that she has to pretend 24/7. She's a shill, an actress, an agent.


I think I have come around on this completely nonhocapito. She most definitely is after watching her in "The Falling Man" propaganda @ 37:53 . Each and every point from your post makes sense. (WTF Tiger Woods, WTF!!!)


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU

This video has lots and lots of shills and actors and you can get endless laughs at various points. :lol:


@Simon: I don't know how you guys come up with the name and sometimes numbers dissections but way to go, mad props!
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Brutal Metal on Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:25 pm

AmongTheThugs wrote:within the last week i heard that she just moved into a mansion somewhere in california. maybe she'll commit suicide on the anniversary? :D

I don't see that happening, she LOVES herself too much!
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Unleashed on Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:07 pm

Mickey wrote:
nonhocapito wrote:If it is so, it is obvious that the "celebrity" status of Uchitel is nothing but a device aimed at lending more credibility to the victims of 9/11. Remarkably, 10 years later it still serves this purpose. The woman doesn't take one step without reminding us of 9/11. Personally, I don't even believe "Rachel Uchitel" is her real name. It's more like a stage name, except that she has to pretend 24/7. She's a shill, an actress, an agent.


I think I have come around on this completely nonhocapito. She most definitely is after watching her in "The Falling Man" propaganda @ 37:53 . Each and every point from your post makes sense. (WTF Tiger Woods, WTF!!!)


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU

This video has lots and lots of shills and actors and you can get endless laughs at various points. :lol:


@Simon: I don't know how you guys come up with the name and sometimes numbers dissections but way to go, mad props!


I don't know if anyone is interested or not, but I did a search on Jack Gentul, and family.

http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results

Yes, someone by these names are already dead. But, Alayne...well, she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead! Oh well, it seems the link is dead now also, and I can't use it, so you'll have to trust me that last night, Alayne Gentul had 17 birth records and 17 death records!! A record NORMALLY is generated once for each person. So this would mean there were supposedly 17 different Alayne Gentuls born in the US!! The correct answer should have been -0-, because Gentul would have been her married name not her birth name, Oy! For Jack Gentul, there is only one birth record and one death record for the real Jack Gentul, so whatever the guy's name is in this video, it isn't Jack Gentul. Forgot to add son Alex and son Robbie. "Alex" already died once, conveniently, and Robert doesn't even rate a listing yet, but did have a fb last night with a peculiar pic attached.
It was listed to Robert Gentul, alas today, no such listing.

But, an interesting side note, when I searched the name Gentul, it always included the name Gentile with a person from the family also by THAT name. I suppose because the name Gentul is so unusual they think you are making a mistaken misspelling of Gentile.

I didn't include all the research here, just a snippet that I think makes the point.

Edit to add: For what it's worth I noted that the link was not available when I wrote my post earlier today. It has since come back up with some head-scratching revisions. http://www.archives.com/GA.aspx?_act=re ... cordType=5
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Brutal Metal on Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:26 am

I wish a couple Hundred million US citizens where shown this pathetic shit! There wouldn't be 50 911 specials on TV this weekend, Hell they even manged to corral Robert De Niro to host one of these cryfests!! :wub:
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Guerrero on Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:40 am

So my local alternative news weekly has done the whole obligatory 9/11 anniversary salute by publishing various stories/commentaries written by various folks on 9/11. I honestly really liked this one...however noted that he mentions having "known" one of the "victims" of 9/11, names him and states he is of the world's wealthiest elite families. I am wondering about this. It doesn't seem this dude would be a fakery perpetrator...but God only knows. Assuming he's not...and he's speaking as sincerely and truthfully as he can...I thought it interesting that this supposed 9/11 victim was a son/magnate of one of the world's elite families, as in could some of those people have been listed as victims and maybe either A) They died of some other cause (perhaps a shameful cause as in drug overdose or something like that...) and this is a way for elite's to fantasize their progidy into a "heroic" status... or B) Dude is still alive but just part of the scam somehow? or C) this article/commentary/story is bogus??: :huh:

http://alibi.com/news/38434/The-Eagles-Talons.html
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Unleashed on Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:14 pm

Guerrero wrote:So my local alternative news weekly has done the whole obligatory 9/11 anniversary salute by publishing various stories/commentaries written by various folks on 9/11. I honestly really liked this one...however noted that he mentions having "known" one of the "victims" of 9/11, names him and states he is of the world's wealthiest elite families. I am wondering about this. It doesn't seem this dude would be a fakery perpetrator...but God only knows. Assuming he's not...and he's speaking as sincerely and truthfully as he can...I thought it interesting that this supposed 9/11 victim was a son/magnate of one of the world's elite families, as in could some of those people have been listed as victims and maybe either A) They died of some other cause (perhaps a shameful cause as in drug overdose or something like that...) and this is a way for elite's to fantasize their progidy into a "heroic" status... or B) Dude is still alive but just part of the scam somehow? or C) this article/commentary/story is bogus??: :huh:

http://alibi.com/news/38434/The-Eagles-Talons.html


Ronnie who?
South America is a large continent, could he be a little more specific?
Mr. Limkin doesn't say how he was able to attend such an elite school being the duct-tape your shoes kind of a guy. I'm guessing he has fallen prey to the psychological condition of needing to pretend you had some part in the 9/11 fairy tale.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby nonhocapito on Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:23 pm

Unleashed wrote:
Guerrero wrote:So my local alternative news weekly has done the whole obligatory 9/11 anniversary salute by publishing various stories/commentaries written by various folks on 9/11. I honestly really liked this one...however noted that he mentions having "known" one of the "victims" of 9/11, names him and states he is of the world's wealthiest elite families. I am wondering about this. It doesn't seem this dude would be a fakery perpetrator...but God only knows. Assuming he's not...and he's speaking as sincerely and truthfully as he can...I thought it interesting that this supposed 9/11 victim was a son/magnate of one of the world's elite families, as in could some of those people have been listed as victims and maybe either A) They died of some other cause (perhaps a shameful cause as in drug overdose or something like that...) and this is a way for elite's to fantasize their progidy into a "heroic" status... or B) Dude is still alive but just part of the scam somehow? or C) this article/commentary/story is bogus??: :huh:

http://alibi.com/news/38434/The-Eagles-Talons.html


Ronnie who?
South America is a large continent, could he be a little more specific?
Mr. Limkin doesn't say how he was able to attend such an elite school being the duct-tape your shoes kind of a guy. I'm guessing he has fallen prey to the psychological condition of needing to pretend you had some part in the 9/11 fairy tale.


Well there are only 2 Ronnies in the vicsims lists, and they are both firefighters.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62151,00.html + google
I doubt they could belong to a wealthy family then. Whenever we face these "I have known" stories, they are always lacking details to reconstruct exactly who the victims are, who their relatives are etc. So I have no problem to conclude that the article is completely bogus.
The little biographical note does not help:
Alex Escué Limkin served in the U.S. Army for 15 years, including a tour in Iraq from 2004 to 2005.

So they are spreading fake stories from all sorts of angles. Critical, apologetic, etc. What's new?
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby agraposo on Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:47 pm

I saw an article in a Spanish digital newspaper about the father of the 911 Spanish only victim.
http://www.intereconomia.com/noticias-gaceta/internacional/internacional/padre-victima-espanola-no-he-sido-capaz-zona-cero-201109

They even have a radio interview in another online newspaper that owns a radio and tv station. (first eighteen minutes)

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTjlVyxck0

The victim is Sylvia San Pio Resta, and died in a tower with her husband, John Resta. She was seven months pregnant.

The Spanish name is strange, "San" means "holy" and "Pio" means the same: pious, devout. "Resta" (subtraction) is the opposite of "suma" (addition).

In the memorials I have found pictures of the couple.
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Sylvia and John, two pictures with the heads at the same angle.
http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memorial_content.php?idbio=283687384&idcontent=195143599

Pictures in the cnn memorial (in their wedding).
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Tombstone: photo of the wedding day, also appears in the pdf "Sacred Heart Church" (link in the same page).
http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memorial_content.php?idbio=283687384&idcontent=403278366

Sylvia the day of the wedding and her father with the same picture (found with google).
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Brutal Metal on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:10 pm

This article is funny, the 911 memorial organizers verified that they spelled the name wrong on one of the Vicsims :o
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/vict ... orial.html
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby simonshack on Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:27 pm

Brutal Metal wrote:This article is funny, the 911 memorial organizers verified that they spelled the name wrong on one of the Vicsims :o
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/vict ... orial.html


Woah. So they spelled "Jeffrey" .."Jeffery"? How outrageously sloppy of them. <_<

Then again, the 9/11 Museum doesn't seem to bother much about fixing their 'clerical errors' - not even AFTER the Museum's inauguration... So for instance, ten years on, here's how they still depict the one-and-only alleged victim from the Ivory Coast:

ABDOULAYE KONE' - as (still) depicted on the Official 9/11 Museum memorial website:
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http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... =484413964

ABDOULAYE KONE' - as (still) depicted on the CNN memorial website:
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http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/me ... /3512.html

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And yes, folks...

"9/11 Memorial is Open"
"After the dedication ceremony for the 10-year anniversary, the Memorial is now open to the general public."
http://www.911memorial.org/
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby grav on Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:26 pm

Are there any "amateur" videos of the 9/11 memorial service?

I'm having trouble finding one that is not from AP, or some other major media.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Gary-Welz on Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:11 pm

It seems more people are facing problems finding information on the beloved 9/11 victims. I was looking into the vicsims who were supposedly working for Forte Food Service. Like our 9/11 truther Lukasz Rudkowski who also had a job in the WTC.

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In my "quest" finding more information about the Forte Food Services victims I came across this article about "Jose Ramon Castro". The text seems to be written by a genuine person making a tribute to a 9/11 vicsim. But of course, we can't be sure about this.

Jose Ramon Castro

I looked all over the Internet for information on Jose Ramon Castro, who was one of the victims, confirmed dead at the horror we now refer to as ' 9/11 '. The landmark buildings of New Yoork City, the World Trade Center, were killed and made to dust and rubble with 2, 996 of the world's citizens inside, including hundreds of firemen and police, who ran, virtually towards death, hoping to rescue who they could.

It was upsetting not to find any information on Mr. Castro - how can I pay tribute to someone that only seems to exist by name? And having suffered loss myself, and the first few sensitive days, weeks, years - when it was so easy to be offended by something/anything anyone said about it... does that mean Mr. Castro's family prefer privacy and silence? All I have is that he was 37 years old, and was a food service worker, who wanted to be a Chef.

I tried to put myself in his family's shoes. To them, he was more than just a name. He was possibly someone's brother, uncle, or nephew. Maybe he was a father, and there were small children left behind. Certainly, he was someone's baby - a mother and/or a father, to whom he will always be their baby, no matter how old he was.

Maybe his family are private people, or wary of the Internet, or unaware or choose to not participate in all the different memorial sites online. So many questions, and no answers, when suddenly I realized... a name is ENOUGH.


His name is JOse Ramon Castro, and he was a human being, who went to work one day, and didn't come home, thru no fault of his own. Somewhere, somehow... he mattered to someone, and someone in his life was affected by his death.

Today, he matters to me.

He died at 37 years of age. When I think back to that age, I was finally coming into my own. The chaos of the 20's had settled down, and the early 30's were about putting the lessons learned towards a solid, sure of who I was, and secure future for myself. I hope he made it that far.

As luck would have it, I am traveling the skies this September 7th - 12th. When I originally made my travel plans, the date September 11th was picked as the day to come home. The words "September 11" don't reasonate with dread the same way "9/11" does, so I didn't cringe at first. When I realized it was THAT 9/11, I immediately changed it to the 12th instead. I wonder how many other people do the same thing? Later, my son told me he might be traveling to see his father on 9/11. I vehemently burst out with "NO!" But I can't tell my 25 year old son what he can and cannot do, no matter how many times I justify it in my head that he'll "always be my baby boy!" And he MUST listen to me, his mother, right NOW! So the hopelessness and helplessness that I feel, is bad enough - to know I can't control what happens to him. It cannot compare to the feelings of helpless and hopeless of Jose's loved ones, in not having any control over what happened to him on that disastrous day.

Having lost a baby of my own, I know how those anniversary days are. His birthday, and his death day - year after year, they gradually lose their power over me, and it's been 23 years since he died. It is now a peaceful, but poignant memory, and it no longer has the ability to bring me to my knees in pain when I think of him.

I think what I think of most when I see the videos of the news coverage of 9/11, year after year, time after time, channel after channel. How much harder it would be to let go, and move on, having all the coverage. And this year - so many movies, so many documentaries, all have to be so hard for the families to see and hear. And so many news pundits, comdemining our president, who went after the wrong guy, and how it just seems to get more and more wrong all the time. The guy responsible for the death of Jose Ramon Castro and the rest of the 2,995 victims is running free - for causing such a horrible hate crime to the heart and hearts of our nation.

So here it is, five years later, and I am creating a memory in the name of Jose Ramon Castro. May you rest in peace, and your family find it also.


http://msshad.typepad.com/ordinaryms/2006/09/tribute_to_one_.html

There is very little to zero information about Jose Ramon Castro on the internet, not even a picture.
This corresponds with most of the vicsims from Forte Food Services; sloppy backstopping.

I found an interesting quote (clue?) on the website of Forte Food Services:

"Our international division has recently completed a military project in the Middle East where we were contracted to design, supply and install kitchen equipment, dining and in-flight facilities for a remote airbase."

The management team at Forte Foodservice Equipment includes industry professionals with a wide variety of backgrounds including:

Hotel Executive Management
Military & Remote Site Catering
Facilities Management
Restaurant & Bar Management
Kitchen Designers


http://www.fortefoodservice.com.au/people.htm

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There are 2 pictures of Ramon Fidel Castro on the internet. And they are very convincing too. :D

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Is it Raymond or Ramon?
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby simonshack on Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:06 pm

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MONICA and MICHELLE GOLDSTEIN: yet more memorial cock-ups

Some of you may remember Monica (and Michelle) Goldstein. Here's the related post I made - back in October 2010:
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2261727

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Monica Goldstein: http://www.silive.com/september-11/inde ... r_fit.html
"Her smile and her laugh were infectious."

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Michelle Goldstein : http://www.legacy.com/aon/Sept11/Story. ... location=1
"She smiled a lot, a big, beaming smile"

At the time, I pointed out that the "Voices of September 11" memorial had Monica Goldstein's portrait (as of the CNN memorial) listed as Michelle Goldstein - and had no picture for 'Monica Goldstein'.
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Here's how the silly clowns at Voices of Sept11 (the officially appointed archivists of the 9/11 Museum at Ground Zero) have now decided to 'rectify' this problem... this is a screenshot I captured today from their website ( at letter "G" of the vicsim memorial listings):
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That's right: No portrait for either Monica or Michelle... http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... ems=1,6,13

But there's more... Monica Goldstein was allegedly "an accounts-payable specialist for Cantor Fitzgerald brokerage on the 101st floor of Tower 1". So I went to the official Cantor Fitzgerald 9/11 memorial website:
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... .jsp?LNL=G
Whoops! No "GOLDSTEIN" listed there. At all! :blink: Hmm...

Are we to believe that none of Monica Goldstein's relatives have done something about this mess - in over 10 years?

But of course, as we all know...this very research we are pursuing here at Cluesforum is "offensive to the grieving 9/11 families"... :rolleyes:
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Mickey on Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:29 pm

I had posted this earlier in 10yr anniversary thread but thought I'd crosscheck with the voices website about this vicsim

Families of 9/11 Indian victims still to recover

New Jersey resident Arjan Mirpuri's 30-year old son Rajesh was among the 3,000 people who died on 9/11 when two airplanes crashed into the Twin Towers.

"My son did not even work at the World Trade Centre. He had gone there that day to attend a trade show. Before that day, Rajesh had never gone to the WTC. 9/11 became the most unfortunate day of our lives," Mirpuri told PTI.


http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 1381040543

According to voicesofseptember Rajesh was Occupation: Data Synapse, Sales Vice President

Somehow he managed to hide it from his parents :lol: :lol:
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