Alex Jones is Bill Hicks Disinformation

[SmokingGunII]

I never thought I would see the day when a thread of this nature would be featured on the Cluesforum, because it doesn't have any merit at all. However, I have been compelled to post in response to another long standing member, Fred, who claims they are one and the same man. I questioned this belief when he first mentioned it (not long after his return on here from a prolonged absence). His response was to attack my integrity following my criticism of some of the photographic analysis on the Norwegian Psyop thread, labelling me a "troll". So let's see how this claim stands up? You be the judge as to who is "trolling".

Please note: this thread is solely to dispell the belief that Jones & Hicks are one and the same, it is not to investigate Jones himself and his own background/rise to "fame".



Bill1: He looks nothing like me, Bill.
Bill2: Surgery, Bill.
Bill3: You're fucking kidding me?
Bill1: But his hair is brown.
Bill2: Dyed, Bill.
Bill3: You're fucking kidding me?
Bill1: What's happened to my crooked jaw?
Bill2: They broke it and re-set it straight, Bill.
Bill3: You're fucking kidding me?
Bill1: Lips?
Bill2: Surgery.
Bill1: Mole on the neck?
Bill2: Surgery.
Bill1: Ears?
Bill2: Surgery.
Bill3: You're fucking kidding me?

People claim their voices are similar. They aren't. Listen to them both side by side from the videos that the above images were taken from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsKVyhuB ... age#t=136s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdN_LGGQ ... page#t=79s

Finally, I took two images of both men side on and scaled to match facial features. I then overlaid the two images for comparison.

I don't think it needs me to point out the many inconsistencies between the two, but pay particular attention to the ears. Not are they only completely different, they are located in different places!




I don't really want to waste much time on this nonsense, but take time to also compare the "build" of the two men from video. Best to compare Hicks from when he is slightly younger and a fuller build and Jones from his documentary linked above "America, destroyed by design", as these are the closest we have chronologically. Jones is a well built man with legs like a redwood. Or perhaps Bill went on an intensive body building programme between surgical operations and wears inflatable trousers when playing Jones?

[nonhocapito]

Please note: this thread is solely to dispell the belief that Jones & Hicks are one and the same, it is not to investigate Jones himself and his own background/rise to "fame".

Well I suggested we rather have a serious investigative thread on Alex Jones and his rise to fame, but I see you went this way anyway. I can't say I appreciate it.
I found the discussion entirely useless considering there is no real evidence to support it.

In any case, I'd appreciate at least a speculation as to what this particular disinfo should be aimed at. Plain wasting our time? (In which case: aren't you participating to the distraction by opening this thread?) Confuse us as to whether Alex Jones is a real scumbag? Ruin for us the pleasure of a Bill Hicks show? What is it?

[reel.deal]

Well, they both from Texas and both "a comedy genius", although they each have a distinct 'flavor' all their own...

[SmokingGunII]

Please note: this thread is solely to dispell the belief that Jones & Hicks are one and the same, it is not to investigate Jones himself and his own background/rise to "fame".

Well I suggested we rather have a serious investigative thread on Alex Jones and his rise to fame, but I see you went this way anyway. I can't say I appreciate it.
I found the discussion entirely useless considering there is no real evidence to support it.

In any case, I'd appreciate at least a speculation as to what this particular disinfo should be aimed at. Plain wasting our time? (In which case: aren't you participating to the distraction by opening this thread?) Confuse us as to whether Alex Jones is a real scumbag? Ruin for us the pleasure of a Bill Hicks show? What is it?

I was under the impression you wanted a separate thread for that Nonho? As I state at the beginning of my post, this rubbish doesn't deserve consideration, but "Fred" having accused me of being a troll says they are one and the same man. Shouldn't you be asking Fred how and why he formed that conclusion and why he chose to "throw" it into this forum rather than questioning me on refuting it?

Oh and guess what? I'm a massive fan of Hicks as well and people like Fred aren't going to "ruin my pleasure", either. So why are you digging me out and not Fred? Hmmmmm.

[nonhocapito]

Shouldn't you be asking Fred how and why he formed that conclusion and why he chose to "throw" it into this forum rather than questioning me on refuting it?
Oh and guess what? I'm a massive fan of Hicks as well and people like Fred aren't going to "ruin my pleasure", either. So why are you digging me out and not Fred? Hmmmmm.

The thing is, I prefer to ignore the topics that I feel lead nowhere but to division and polemics about members. Some of the old members of this forum seem to be real fans of the "resemblance game", and they take it very personal too. I prefer other angles.
I am not "digging you out and not Fred". You started this topic now, not Fred, so I am responding to you.

I don't know why you start "humming" since I think I expressed clearly above, and elsewhere at least two other times, that off the top of my head I don''t think Hicks and Jones are anything but two people who look slightly alike. I don't think they are the same person. I don't see evidence to it, and more importantly I don't see logic in submitting an hypothetical agent to such profound ideological transformation. But of course this stance of mine is not written in stone, it could be changed facing new evidence, that I don't see forthcoming though.

The meaning of my response here http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2357855#p2357855 was that I was kind of hoping you would skip making this thread, which is only meant to keep a polemic with Fred alive, and would instead help us open a serious investigative thread on major shill Alex Jones. Sorry if I didn't make myself clearer.

[bostonterrierowner]

I am guilty as well of bringing this whole Hicks-Jones story up

NoHo is right , lets focus on Alex Jones or whatever his name is and how he got into "exposing the government" job . According to my knowledge there is nothing to be found about Jones from before 1993 where he was around 30 years old. I think its an utter bullshit to even consider the guy to be 36 I remember how surprised I was when I found out that Alex was just a little older than I . Alex Jones is not in his mid-thirties , his official personal data is prefabricated and in my opinion he is a paid disinfo agent/actor. He won his "credentials" after crashing the Bohemian Grove meeting , just in time for 9/11 and War on Terror

I cant resist the impression that Jones is mentally unstable .Crying during his shows , spitting and ranting point to that Should we look at him like Vigilant Citizen would do ? Is he mind controlled ? Maybe his job is to portrait all people aware of media fakery and government wrongdoing as lunatics and he just reads his script ...

I need to admit that Alex is a charismatic figure and knows how to run his "alternative" media outlet , it would suggest some professional background in this field . Infowars and prisonplanet are run in a profesional manner and his movies , especially the latest ones are very well done. He is a very good shill/government/CIA disinfo operative , he deserves our appreciation for this

One million dollar question : What is his real name and where and when did he show his fat ass on TV for the first time ?( regardless of what his alias was )

[reel.deal]

The Waco siege began on February 28, 1993, and ended violently 50 days later on April 19.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mNIgVb5aIo
Theres a whole 1:45 hr 2000 doc - 'America Wake Up or Waco - Full Movie - Alex Jones 2000 2011' ...yawn.
maybe Jones first cut his teeth on 'Waco' 'reportage' right there at the Koresh Compound Siege...

I'm sure i've seen a 5 minute interview clip somewhere of Bill Hicks in a similar spot during the 50 day siege,
that and them both being Texans, are the only similarities for me...

[bostonterrierowner]

One more thing they have in common...

Bill Hicks sounds a bit like "hill billy" , "hick" to me Was it his real name ? Alex Jones appeals to hill billy , hick part of America

I would say Jones is a texan hill billy

[fred]

If it's disinfo, it's disinfo I believe in. There are a number of youtube videos on this very subject that I personally find convincing. Alex breaks into a "Bill Hicks Whiny Liberal" voice in a couple of his early films. As everyone points out Alex Jones comes out of nowhere with absolutely no history before he becomes a big celebrity after 9/11.

Just as Steven Colbert is a liberal lefty playing a stereotypical dyed-in-the-wool conservative for comedic effect, so is Bill Hicks playing a crazy right-wing gun nut "Alex Jones" and laughing all the way to the bank at the sheeple he's fooling. Hick's hates his character "Alex Jones" and the people who tune in and listen to him.

Alex Jones is a comedian's over-the-top portrayal of a Good Ol' Boy Bible Thumping TV Preacher, sort of Boss Hogg meets Jerry Falwell. And he goes on and on about Satan and Lucifer.

And obviously, "Alex Jones" is not 36 years old. He's Bill Hicks' age.

Who makes a dime off of promoting Alex Jones is Bill Hicks disinfo? How does it help any cause? There's no agenda in it, it just happens to be what I believe, and what a few other people believe. I don't care all that much whether or not anyone else agrees with me. Everybody here knows Jones is not who he pretends to be. I happen to think I know who he really is, but it's not all that important.

[AmongTheThugs]

Are we sure these are both real people?

[nonhocapito]

Although they are under strict orders not to link to us, I have no problems linking to Letsroll.

So, I just wanted to note how they have been having a thread going on this subject for a few weeks now:

http://letsrollforums.com/alex-jones-bi ... 26296.html

It seems there is a key figure, Kevin Booth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Booth, who worked with both Jones and Hicks as a producer and cameraman etc. And like reel.deal noted there is a video with Bill Hicks and Booth near the compound during the siege, more or less at the same time when Jones was also recorded to be there.

Jones at Waco:

From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw1oZ9oS ... r_embedded?

Hicks and Booth at Waco:

From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPvBuDJ3 ... r_embedded?

Hicks video looks real enough. Jones looks like something out of 9/11 amateur hour. Choppy and badly rendered...

"Where's my mouth? I cannot bullshit you now..."

Anyway this supposed research can be an interesting read, that at least indicates for certain one thing: how Alex Jones is a fake persona, regardless the disinfo of the Hicks connection.

Alex Jones "childhood pictures":
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30857107@N ... 865026796/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30857107@N ... 678305756/

[hoi.polloi]

Weird. So there's speculation that Hicks actually got to test some "augmented reality" program that modifies his nose and hair and stuff in order to digitally mask him as "Alex Jones"? The quality of the AJ video definitely resembles the bizarre and icky 9/11 eyewitness footage.

However, I am still not convinced "Hicks" would do this. Hicks' weird connections like Texas A&M University (admittedly a disturbing connection, but possibly innocuous) and Dennis Leary (whom he publicly had an obvious falling out with, which the media has perhaps exaggerated) can be explained as merely coincidences because of the sheer amount of horrible jerks/connections in the U.S.A. that inevitably surround all of us.

Admittedly, Hicks and Jones are closely parallel but are they two puppets of the same master? I am not convinced.

I would definitely buy into the notion that AJ is a cartoon, though. He already behaves like one and has played one in movies.

[nonhocapito]

AJ's "childhood pictures" seem to be made with the same bs software used for vicsims & co.:



It helps to notice how these supposed scans were distributed officially by one of Alex Jones' websites: http://www.infowars.com/photos-of-alex- ... rowing-up/

Infowars also distributed ridiculously small-sized pictures of Alex Jones at the Waco rebuilding:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30857107@N ... 677490367/

I don't understand if they are being "in our face" or they are being plainly obtuse in trying to pass such crap as truth.

[SmokingGunII]

Although they are under strict orders not to link to us, I have no problems linking to Letsroll.

So, I just wanted to note how they have been having a thread going on this subject for a few weeks now:

http://letsrollforums.com/alex-jones-bi ... 26296.html

It seems there is a key figure, Kevin Booth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Booth, who worked with both Jones and Hicks as a producer and cameraman etc. And like reel.deal noted there is a video with Bill Hicks and Booth near the compound during the siege, more or less at the same time when Jones was also recorded to be there.

Jones at Waco:

From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw1oZ9oS ... r_embedded?

Hicks and Booth at Waco:

From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPvBuDJ3 ... r_embedded?

Hicks video looks real enough. Jones looks like something out of 9/11 amateur hour. Choppy and badly rendered...

"Where's my mouth? I cannot bullshit you now..."

Anyway this supposed research can be an interesting read, that at least indicates for certain one thing: how Alex Jones is a fake persona, regardless the disinfo of the Hicks connection.

Alex Jones "childhood pictures":
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30857107@N ... 865026796/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30857107@N ... 678305756/

Indeed, Nonho. They were both part of the Mad Cow Production company too. Boothe would have the answers one would think? However, the conclusion would appear to be that AJ isn't Hicks but, nonetheless isn't who he says it is. That's my view.

I still ask anyone that thinks these two people are one and the same to listen to the voices. Not the same. I don't think the accents are even the same, although they are both Texan.

One should also consider Hicks was a musician - is there any evidence that Jones plays anything. Musicians love to play and jam. Anything at all?

Someone did post images of the Rockwell year book at LR showing "Alex Jones" in two different years.This of course could be fake and appeared quickly after Phil Jayhan requested info on his yearbook. The question is, surely it wouldn't take too much time for someone in the US to check the veracity of his classmates?

[SmokingGunII]

Sorry, forgot to post link to yearbook....

http://letsrollforums.com/alexander-emm ... 766p5.html