OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Discussing the most relevant "sequels" or "reminders" of 9/11. The so-called "War On Terror" is a global scam finalized to manipulate this world's population with crass fear-mongering tactics designed to scare you shitless.

Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby brianv on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:42 pm

fertiliser+diesel=bomb = Bullshit

fertilizer+diesel + High Explosive Primer about 10%, so in this case about 100kg of Semtex or something similar + mixed by an expert + Military Detonator = bomb
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby Makkonen on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:48 pm

oslo29112011 wrote:The busstop memorial was an impromptu one because it was the nearest you could get when they re-opened the road past utøya. These kind of spots turn up everywhere at the perimeters of police closed off areas on big accidents and disasters. I haven't seen this one in person, but my father has. He participated on this camp many times in his youth. I trust him on his word it is for real.


A shabby roadside memorial, adjacent to a shabby bus stop, for - I repeat - victims of a massacre. How is anyone's "honor" supposed to be preserved that way? And if this notorious bus stop memorial was fur-real, why would there be any need to fabricate media material pertaining to it (of which evidence can be found here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2358634)? Have you even investigated this thread and our findings about the various Utoya memorials (not just this one, the most laughably nonsensical of them all) to see how much fakery there is about every single one of them?

Vits Sinep wrote:So, for starters: How is it possible that the bomb was fake when there were so many eyewitness?


There might have been an explosion of some kind, but at any rate, it would have been in an area off-limits to everyone except maybe a select group of operatives. Simulations and paid actors (like here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2355627, here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2355664, here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2356500, and so on) aren't very substantial in authenticating official media stories... but a bomb or just sound and smoke doesn't affect the status of the reported victims all being simulations, rendering the "bomb issue" something of a moot point.
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby Heiwa on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:52 pm

oslo29112011 wrote:Heiwa,
I think a lot of curious norwegians has become experts on car bombs and weapons use over the last few months.
I read trough the whole manifesto with a morbid fascination, and so i suspect, did loads of norwegians trying to comprehend any logic behind this.
Wathever logic there was, wasn't political or racial. Only self-obsessed grandeur, as confirmed today by the psychiatrists advising the prosecution.



You believe a 10 000 pages mad manifesto writer lifting 1000 kgs bomb into car shooting 130+ people with glock+rifle+mobile phone. :blink: I am surprised Norwegian police haven't arrested you yet or, I am not actually. They are watching the Norwegian female crosscountry skiers. They are beautiful! :wub:
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby brianv on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:56 pm

I don't recall anyone here saying the bomb was fake! It's simple to seal off an area around high profile buildings and with a bit of clever timing detonate a bomb of sorts so no-one gets hurt.

Im 100% sure this was a NATO/US operation. They have lots of experience in this field!
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby oslo29112011 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:00 pm

Simon,
As I already pointed out twice, yes, that is bad police work. It is not good enough, but we disagree on it being unimaginable. I've seen people fuck up their jobs before.

Why don't you take a trip to oslo and chat with a few people around town, see what they say, what their thoughts are, what they themselves experienced, what their families and friends experienced. If they know an eyewitness, if they know a victim?

I choose to trust you really do look honestly for the truth in all this, even tough all of this seems rather absurd as seen from oslo, but I am trying to understand where you come from.

I see you are into music, I'll give you all the best advice i can to make sure you hear something cool while you are here.

brianv,
Depends on how it's mixed. The block was not sealed off. Evidence one: The first video shot was filmed by an employee from Oslo's biggest camera store one block away. He explains this himself on telephone in the first news broadcast. Probably still works there. http://www.fotovideo.no/WebPages/Articl ... entID=1808 Go ask him yourself if it was blocked off. My close friend in the next block did not report it being blocked off pre blast.

Makkonen,
I am here, I had acquaintances on utøya during the shooting, my dad has seen the memorial there, I was part of the big 100 000 people memorial in oslo july 25. One of my closest friends was barely outside the block from the bomb. I felt the blast myself. It was for real.

Heiwa,
Yes they are!
We already went trough the rest.
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby Heiwa on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:04 pm

oslo29112011 wrote:Heiwa,
Yes they are!


Good. Good night!
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby Makkonen on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:14 pm

oslo29112011 wrote:Makkonen,
I am here, I had acquaintances on utøya during the shooting, my dad has seen the memorial there, I was part of the big 100 000 people memorial in oslo july 25. One of my closest friends was barely outside the block from the bomb. I felt the blast myself. It was for real.


You didn't answer any of my questions, though. But I guess trolls don't have to answer any questions. They just troll, like the media trolled the public into the silly fantasyland of Utoya.

"Take the ride! Magic guaranteed!", says Captain Media of the SS CGI Rustbucket:
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby oslo29112011 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:21 pm

I did answer your question Makkkonen,
I was here. A lot of the things I saw around me in real life you claim was faked.
Based on actually seeing a lot of these things, in person, being here, I say you are wrong.
And if you don't trust me(why should you, I sought you guys out, forcing my info on you), then please come visit Oslove and speak to whomever you wanna speak.
It's a small town in a small country, so it won't take you long to find someone with an interesting story.
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby simonshack on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:24 pm

oslo29112011 wrote:
Why don't you take a trip to oslo and chat with a few people around town, see what they say, what their thoughts are, what they themselves experienced, what their families and friends experienced. If they know an eyewitness, if they know a victim?


I will do so in time - don't worry, dear Oslo. <_<
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MY MAIL TO UNNI GRØNDAL - the Oslo police press officer


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Unni Grøndal - Oslo police press officer http://politiforum.07.no/id/4154

For now, I am more interested in getting answers directly from the Norwegian police. A week ago I contacted Mr Øystein Stavdal Paulsen - of the "National Police Directorate // 22/7-evaluation team".

He kindly answered within 5 hours to my e-mail (which requested clarifications regarding the erroneous death tolls released by their offices to the press). Here is Mr. Paulsen's short response:

Hi,

you will have to contact mrs Unni Grondal of the Oslo Police District as she is the head of the media section.

unni.grondal@politiet.no

Oystein Stavdal Paulsen,
National Police Directorate // 22/7-evaluation team


So I of course immediately forwarded my mail to Mrs Unni Grøndal - head of the media section. With no response forthcoming from Mrs. Grøndal, after a few days I sent the mail to her again.

Still waiting.


My question to the Oslo police is - simply put: WHY "92 DEAD?"

WHY did they release to the press, at 15:30 the following day, a death toll of 92 CONFIRMED DEAD? :

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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby brianv on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:26 pm

"I think a lot of curious norwegians has become experts on car bombs and weapons use over the last few months.
I read trough the whole manifesto with a morbid fascination, and so i suspect, did loads of norwegians trying to comprehend any logic behind this. "

Yes, when they actually should have been reading about their criminal armed terrorists murdering north african tribesmen from 20,000 feet!

"I felt the blast myself."

You did not feel the blast. A 1000kg Nitrate bomb would feel like an earthquake at 800 meters, thats why it's used in deep quarrying! It would have rendered buildings useless and shattered glass in every building for a mile radius not because of a "blast" but because the buildings would have shaken and twisted on their foundations!

You did not describe an earthquake.

I narrowly missed a small car-bomb here in Ireland as a young man, about 50/60 yards! I felt NO blast. There was a deep rumble and the street tilted sideways and all the electricity poles collapsed hurling sparks everywhere! I ran like the devil!

Google Bishopsgate 1993 IRA bomb for the damage caused by a 1000kg of fertiliser!
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby oslo29112011 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:29 pm

Simon,
I think referring you to the media section was a mistake.
If you send per snail mail a written question about this, in norwegian, to the oslo police district, they are, i believe, obliged to give you some kind of answer within 14 days.
That answer might, however, just be telling you to wait for the final report due next year.

Brianv,
Fair point, a lot of us did, and lots have been written critically about it in mainstream media.
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby simonshack on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:47 pm

oslo29112011 wrote:Simon,
I think referring you to the media section was a mistake.
(...)
That answer might, however, just be telling you to wait for the final report due next year.


Oh, I see - a mistake. Interesting. Oslo dear, do you know who Øystein Stavdal Paulsen is? Or Unni Grøndal?

They will "tell me to wait for the final report due next year"?? No, you don't seem to understand, Oslo vennen min. My request was about something that has nothing to do with the final report of the Breivik case. As far as I know, the Norwegian police is not implicated in that courtcase. My request has to do with their handling of unverified information and their releasing it to the press.
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby brianv on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:55 pm

oslo - Since you are so keen, go and get one of the family members of ONE of the alleged deceased to register here! Tell them we don't believe a word and we want to be proved wrong!!
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby Makkonen on Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:02 am

oslo29112011 wrote:I did answer your question Makkkonen,
I was here. A lot of the things I saw around me in real life you claim was faked.
Based on actually seeing a lot of these things, in person, being here, I say you are wrong.
And if you don't trust me(why should you, I sought you guys out, forcing my info on you), then please come visit Oslove and speak to whomever you wanna speak.
It's a small town in a small country, so it won't take you long to find someone with an interesting story.


It's interesting that the best (and most persistent - and in the end, the only) counterargument you offer is: come down to Oslo and see for yourself! If you have such insistence on "being-there" brand of empirical knowledge, why would you trust anything the media says? In the end, media is just a screen, a surface that can be manipulated at will. Or is the correlation between your "being-there" experiences and the official media reports just a magical coincidence? A true empirically-minded skeptic would have an innate distrust of anything media, right?

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Sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

(That, or you are simply a liar in addition to being a troll.)
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

Unread postby Klumsy on Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:03 am

The people who think this is fake, should take a trip to Norway and see for themselves.

For my own view, I had family-members in the area at the time of the blast. And, I even I heard the blast from 10km+ away. I was watching Tour de France at the TV at the time, when someone I know called and asked if I was watching the news or could, because they were heading towards the area(about 10 minute walk from it) and had heard one enormous blast.

Here is one of the victims from Utøya:

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/evening-chronicle-news/2011/07/26/young-nufc-fan-killed-in-norway-massacre-72703-29120935/

http://www.nettavisen.no/sport/fotball/article3198166.ece - In norwegian

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nettavisen.no%2Fsport%2Ffotball%2Farticle3198166.ece - google translated

This is from a national meeting early in the year, before all of this happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGdtF8T28g

And this is from a national meeting in 2009 I think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRzTUnL-QPc


Speech from the prime minister at 23th july: Look at about 2:20 in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oPbd9UvZuY

Posts from the norwegian Newcastle United supportersforum:

http://newutd.no/diskusjon/index.php?topic=4173.0 - In norwegian.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnewutd.no%2Fdiskusjon%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D4173.0 - google translated.

Local newspaper from the funeral:

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Tore-Eikeland-21-begravet-2550139.html - In norwegian.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bt.no%2Fnyheter%2Flokalt%2FTore-Eikeland-21-begravet-2550139.html - google translated.



Now, even though I enjoy conspiracies and theories of different situations that have happened(Like 9/11, JFK and such. And I agree that it is something fishy on the JFK-case).

I still haven't seen one good based argument from you guys from the conspiracy-side on this matter.

I also haven't read anywhere that one of you are experts on photographs or videos, yet you magically finds "something" on every photo or video, just so it might fit your side of the story. You are not looking for facts, you are looking for some random quirky thing that could fit your "story". That's not good researching. And sometimes, it's just nothing at all. Like the photos regarding the pier and that fence. Could you not see that all of the photos were taken from different sides?

You know, it's you who come with the theory, then you have to come with something to prove it. Now since you are caught up in the photos and videos, why haven't you gone to an real expert on that area and asked them to have a look at it?
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