Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby nonhocapito on March 31st, 2012, 12:46 am

That's why I stated previously that weightlessness could be simply a Hollywood "special effect", which means a trick realized with video compositing, greenscreens and other studio devices -- it sounds tedious to do but it is closer to reality than imagine a mysterious weightlessness machine, which would probably mean granting them more knowledge and brains than they really have. :rolleyes:

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Meanwhile, in reference to posts like this one viewtopic.php?p=2367542#p2367542 I have to bug you again, Hollycrap:

A source to an image cannot be a direct link to the image itself. I can extract that from the [IM­G] tag! It is not really useful. A valid source is a link to the page where you first found that image, so that we have the context in which the image is embedded, its description if any, a notion of how one would reach it on the web, who is potentially responsible for having put a certain picture on the web, etc.
(Also linking to tineye is not really pertinent: I know that I can do image reverse search (google has the same function and it works much better than tineye) but it is up to you to post an image with its valid source, not to us to do the legwork if we get curious.)

It happened in the past that certain images were dropped on the forum as if coming from the internet, but in reality they belonged to no web page and nobody could have reached them "normally": such images we don't publish on this forum. I know it is not the case with those images that are clearly hosted by NASA in the public domain. But let's try to stick to the method that is the most transparent anyway, as a good habit.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby hollycrap on March 31st, 2012, 1:08 am

[9-24-2016 ADMIN: The lower link triggers fraud warnings in some browsers. -hp]

Ok, but you have to understand some images are very difficult to find again in the hide and seek game by NASA and their infinite fake pic galleries. :(

Anybody had seen such amount of crap?

http://www.tutztutz.com/wp-content/uplo ... ace_14.jpg

http://www.tutztutz.com/2011/02/amazing ... _space_14/

:lol:
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby fbenario on March 31st, 2012, 1:23 am

hollycrap wrote:Ok, but you have to understand some images are very difficult to find again in the hide and seek game by NASA and their infinite fake pic galleries.

No, that's just not good enough. If you - and thus we - can't source an image, it is not dependable as evidence of anything.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby hollycrap on March 31st, 2012, 1:47 am

fbenario wrote:
hollycrap wrote:Ok, but you have to understand some images are very difficult to find again in the hide and seek game by NASA and their infinite fake pic galleries.

No, that's just not good enough. If you - and thus we - can't source an image, it is not dependable as evidence of anything.


Would you tell me what image you have not been able to find the source from and what was most difficult in trying to find it?
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby lux on March 31st, 2012, 2:54 am

Various methods of suspending small, light objects are widely known and publicly demonstrated. One simple method is to suspend a ferrous object between 2 electromagnets -- above and below. There are other methods such as quantum levitation & super conductivity. School kids do it at science fairs. It's nothing new.

It's not true anti-gravity but, it can appear to be within the frame of reference of a camera lens since we can't see what is above or below the frame.

Is it impossible that the means for doing this sort of thing on a larger scale could have been accomplished?

Just some conjecture -- but the point is they only have to perform the trick within the frame of a camera lens so it doesn't have to be true "anti-gravity."

Of course, it could also be blue-screen trickery or "wire work" for that matter, but these things are still somewhat more detectable by close scrutiny and analysis of the images. It would be rather embarrassing if a video nerd could prove that NASA's videos used such fakery. So, other less detectable methods may be viewed as more desirable by them. I wouldn't rule out these other levitation technologies entirely as a possibility.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby hollycrap on March 31st, 2012, 3:27 am

I got the original source picture from NASA.

The composition of the pensive guy is evident :lol:

Image

Image

Cupola

"The ‘Cupola’, attached to the nadir side of the space station, gives a panoramic view of our beautiful planet," said Expedition 25 commander Doug Wheelock. "Fyodor (Yurchikhin) took this picture from the window of the Russian Docking Compartment (Airlock). Here I am in the Cupola preparing a camera for our late evening Hurricane Earl flyover … trying to capture the moment …"


Source => http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1799.html

Image

Tracy Caldwell Dyson looking out of the ISS Cupola on September 11, 2010.

Source => http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-24/html/iss024e014263.html

Image

Image above: Artist's conception of Cupola mounted on the International Space Station. Image credit: NASA

Source => http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/stationpayloads/cupola.html

The same "cupola"?

YEAH RIGHT!





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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby hollycrap on March 31st, 2012, 5:13 am

Results with the ELA algorithm over image from NASA

Image

go to => http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... 8b00.74227

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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby whatsgoingon on March 31st, 2012, 5:19 am

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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby hollycrap on March 31st, 2012, 5:23 am

Talking of hair spray this girl likes to use hair freeze


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HThU7PmraMU

:D
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby pdgalles on March 31st, 2012, 10:28 am

Nonho joked previously about "are you trying to hypnotise us" with your flashing images but more seriously I think you should stop with the flashing images.

Link to ITC guidelines in PDF format: stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/broadcast/guidance/gn_flash.pdf

Flickering or intermittent images and certain types of regular pattern can cause
problems for some viewers who have photosensitive epilepsy. The television
licensees, together with the ITC, have consulted with leading medical opinion
in this area to draw up guidelines aimed at reducing the risk of exposure to
potentially harmful stimuli.

Television is by nature a flickering medium. In Europe each transmitted picture
is refreshed 50 times each second and interlaced scanning generates flicker 25
times each second. It is therefore impossible to eliminate the risk of television
causing convulsions in viewers with photosensitive epilepsy. To reduce risk
the following guidelines on visual content should be applied when flashing or
regular patterns are clearly discernible in normal domestic viewing conditions.
It should be noted that the level of any cumulative risk arising from successive
sequences of ‘potentially harmful’ flashes over a prolonged period is unknown.
If, as medical opinion suggests, the risk of seizures increases with the duration
of flashing, licensees should note that it is possible that a sequence of flashing
images lasting more than 5 seconds might constitute a risk even when it
complies with the guidelines below:

A potentially harmful flash occurs when there is a pair of opposing changes
in luminance (i.e., an increase in luminance followed by a decrease, or a
decrease followed by an increase) of 20 candelas per square metre (cd.m-2) or
more (see notes 1 and 2). This applies only when the screen luminance of the
darker image is below 160 cd.m-2. Irrespective of luminance, a transition to or
from a saturated red is also potentially harmful.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby lux on March 31st, 2012, 10:49 am

More on the hair issue ...

Look at Cady Coleman's hair here:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCLfSr1RTog

Then look at her hair "in space" on all these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cady+coleman

Notice her hair is always UP when she is "weightless" -- why? Objects wouldn't necessarily rise in a weightless environment, would they? Notice there is also a "springiness" to her hair when she moves her head -- with her hair returning to an upward position -- why? It's as if a force is pushing her hair up.
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby reel.deal on March 31st, 2012, 11:03 am


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ar4LfHWEcY

"Victor, i do think it would be different, because, somehow, when people left our planet, and then flew to the moon;
landed on the moon; and could come back and tell us about it, and had pictures and video to show that they were
really there... i think it just affected us as people where we realised that no matter how much we think that our
everyday life is right here on Earth, we realise that we live in a huge neighbourhood, we live in a universe,
and our Earth is one tiny part of that universe..."


so basically; Cady, what you're saying is...


"somehow, when people left our planet, and then flew to the moon;
landed on the moon; and could come back and tell us about it, and
had pictures and video to show that they were really there..."


fail.
dont matter whatever they 'tell us' about it, its fairytales.
pictures and video show that they were never really there.


"we realised that no matter how much we think that our everyday life
is right here on Earth
..."


fail.
you're not 'on Earth': you're 'floating thru Lower Earth Orbit in
'ZERO-G' at 17,000 mph on a fricken ISS spaceship', remember ?


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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby hollycrap on March 31st, 2012, 2:57 pm

Comet Lovejoy Scam and CGi render


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STWb_pxicPg

They often forget where they are supposed to be and what they are talking about.

Cptn. Burbank recites a script full of gaps

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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby hollycrap on March 31st, 2012, 3:16 pm

hollycrap wrote:The same "cupola"?

YEAH RIGHT!


Cady Coleman visits the cupola.

notice her voice is overdubbed over the fake footage.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpNUZzVC8NM
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Re: ENDEAVOUR - and the spaced-out NASA efforts

Postby nonhocapito on March 31st, 2012, 4:48 pm

lux wrote:Notice her hair is always UP when she is "weightless" -- why? Objects wouldn't necessarily rise in a weightless environment, would they? Notice there is also a "springiness" to her hair when she moves her head -- with her hair returning to an upward position -- why? It's as if a force is pushing her hair up.


OK, I take back my previous tentative statement (that it could all be hollywood special effects) -- there might be some artificial-gravity machine involved in the process. Perhaps a special "centrifuge" is being used. Check out this page:

Artificial Gravity: A New Spin on an Old Idea
http://www.space.com/558-artificial-gra ... -idea.html

Now, I know what you're thinking: artificial gravity is not anti-gravity. But in fact it really is, because artificial gravity could be used to counter earth's gravity, effectively reaching weightlessness.
The fact that this would be based on the centrifuge idea, could explain why hair tend to go in one direction rather than in any direction. It's the centripetal/centrifugal force. Because cameras spin too, the movement goes obviously undetected.

Starting next year at UTMB, a corps of individuals will partake in bed rest studies that reproduce the effects of weightlessness, with half that group also rotated once a day on a centrifuge. The new centrifuge has been built for NASA by Wyle Laboratories, headquartered in El Segundo, California, for use in studying the effects of artificial gravity as a countermeasure to the negative effects of long-term microgravity on the human body. That newly-built centrifuge has recently been installed at UTMB. "It's a really beautiful device," Young said.


Also see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial ... y#Rotation

Outside the windows, naturally, would all be greenscreen. And EVAs are all "special effects" (duh)...
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