Skeptrick wrote:I am new here and could not find a more appropriate (unlocked) thread to post in.
I am having trouble sourcing some pictures and gifs of videos on the website.
One in particular (from the post perp-spectives under 9/11 simcity) left me scratching my head; simonshack indicates it was on cbs2, but both the cbs2 website and google have failed me.
In more broad terms I am very interested in ANY footage shot in/around this area.
Thanks
Dear Skeptrick.
I would guess that what you refer to is this CBS2 imagery - as seen on the left of this comparison of mine:
As you can see, the 3 images have the CBS2 banner. So, what can I say? Perhaps I should have provided a source link on these images for easier tracing. But, hey - can you imagine just how many 9/11 images I've been scrutinizing along this last half decade? Would it be realistic to expect from me (one single man) to continuously catalogue and source every single 9/11 image that the media has released? Actually, I try to do so - but if some of the material I have published isn't perfectly sourced, I'm sorry. At the end of the day, you'll have to ask yourself: do you REALLY think that I am making up this 9/11 imagery myself - superimposing TV banners and all ?
I would guess that what you refer to is this CBS2 imagery - as seen on the left of this comparison of mine:
As you can see, the 3 images have the CBS2 banner. So, what can I say? Perhaps I should have provided a source link on these images for easier tracing. But, hey - can you imagine just how many 9/11 images I've been scrutinizing along this last half decade? Would it be realistic to expect from me (one single man) to continuously catalogue and source every single 9/11 image that the media has released? Actually, I try to do so - but if some of the material I have published isn't perfectly sourced, I'm sorry. At the end of the day, you'll have to ask yourself: do you REALLY think that I am making up this 9/11 imagery myself - superimposing TV banners and all ?
I think you may have read a little too much into that, I was simply having trouble finding the source.
I fail to see how faking fake footage would further your case, I just want to learn more.
Thanks.
Edit: As an afterthought, yes I actually do think it realistic for a researcher to catalogue their sources.
I don't mean to say this to offend, but that would be the foundation of any scholarly work which uses sources which are not their own.
That said I love your website and respect the work you have done. Given the enormous breadth of your research, I understand that searching your own bibliography could be quite the task in itself!
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Edit: forgot to mention how my heart sank when he said he took it himself... I guess I wanted to believe he lied about the photo's source exclusively.
Edit2: though i suppose the degree of the lie should not change my subsequently lowered opinion of him.
So here we have yet another person claiming to have shot pictures from this familiar perspective...Neil Tyson:
Sigh... So here we go again:
Nooooo Neil! I'm sorry!
What's the matter with it? Doesn't Neil claim to have authored the above picture sequence? If I got that wrong, I will promptly retract - and delete the above post. Let me know.
As you can see, the 3 images have the CBS2 banner. So, what can I say? Perhaps I should have provided a source link on these images for easier tracing. But, hey - can you imagine just how many 9/11 images I've been scrutinizing along this last half decade? Would it be realistic to expect from me (one single man) to continuously catalogue and source every single 9/11 image that the media has released? Actually, I try to do so - but if some of the material I have published isn't perfectly sourced, I'm sorry. At the end of the day, you'll have to ask yourself: do you REALLY think that I am making up this 9/11 imagery myself - superimposing TV banners and all ?
Skeptrick
I don't mean to say this to offend, but that would be the foundation of any scholarly work which uses sources which are not their own.
That said I love your website and respect the work you have done. Given the enormous breadth of your research, I understand that searching your own bibliography could be quite the task in itself
Cataloguing is my job I said I would happy go through here and reality shack, I am getting through it coz I have all the footage on hardrive. I have done only a small amount. And probably that's why I post so much lately. Because I seem to have picked up a habit. Of archiving and along the way get distracted with new findings... and end up posting here haha
I really got to knuckle down and do it, because it's I said I would and also It's important to me as well. It should on take 8 weeks if that.. Gees Im just going to do it this time. And I do agree with you Simon that you are just one person, and its fair enough to have someone help archive.
I will try not try get distracted with new findings and let you (or me) down any more and see what I can done over the next 6-8 weeks. ( Its not hard, I just need to go through your posts in the member control panel) its the way to do it.. wish me luck not getting distracted with new findings this time
simonshack wrote:
Skeptrick wrote:
simonshack wrote:*
Wow.
So here we have yet another person claiming to have shot pictures from this familiar perspective...Neil Tyson:
Sigh... So here we go again:
Nooooo Neil! I'm sorry!
What's the matter with it? Doesn't Neil claim to have authored the above picture sequence? If I got that wrong, I will promptly retract - and delete the above post. Let me know.
Neil did claim to take the images.
“ this is the view from out side my window I live 4 blocks from the trade centre. Excuse me this is the corner of the building I live. I went outside to get this view.”
Skeptrick- In my opinion you have nothing to be sorry about... . We are merely just looking at images. And offering our own opinions on them. I see it like If Neils picture was real, (or any other so called 9/11 imagry) there would be no legitmate questions to be ask. This research would simply NOT hold water and gain the ground it has.
The reason why Simon said "here we go again".
Is because over the week or so we have been having a look at this particular point of view, that seems to have a like a Million people to claim to have taken from this spot. In my opinion. It's "BS" There are major anomalies in the so called authentic imagery taken from this perspective.
You are welcome to your point of view... But to understand our perspective on it... have a good read of this page (from the past week) in full length to understand how we see it... http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... &start=330
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Can anyone tell me how THIS possibly occured? The old comment "SIMON SHACK FOR PRESIDENT" on my first ever YT video has DUPLICATED itself ???? (This has happened within the last week - I remember checking it recently...)
truthseeker wrote:Certainly there are other 911 credible sites out there.
Can anyone recomend some?
I think i would like to broaden my knowledge on the subject.
truthseeker wrote:Certainly there are other 911 credible sites out there.
Can anyone recomend some?
I think i would like to broaden my knowledge on the subject.
Anyone?
It would be good if there was, but in my opnion All the information best to be found is right here in the videos in the forum and the website. The others are just theories.
I found like 3 articles that I agree with, (and I do stress just the articles I agree with not the researcher general theories or whole website)
Can anyone tell me how THIS possibly occured? The old comment "SIMON SHACK FOR PRESIDENT" on my first ever YT video has DUPLICATED itself ???? (This has happened within the last week - I remember checking it recently...)
Has this EVER happened to anyone else? A Youtube comment duplicating itself?
I do have a youtube account which I use a tiny bit, I recall seeing duplicate posts once in a while. ( not on any I have uploaded) Just random videos. I do not know what causes it but I am sure they do exhist.
I did find this info perhaps it may help.
Q- What's up with youtube showing the same comment like 5 times?...
Best Answer - Chosen by Voters
Yeah i see that all the time i press more comments and it repeats the above ones in a jumbled up fashion sometimes
i think it's just server overload issues, youtube has a pretty high traffic rate, etc.
yeah its nothing that new, just ignore it it doesnt really matter. Most of the time youtube is fine though. They get rid of these issues from time to time, (if you've ever seen that "youtube is undergoing maintenance, stay cool, well be back 100% in a bit" message that appears sometimes.) nothing to worry about
Somebody commented on my video and I guess they accidentally posted it twice, so neither comment shows up on the video unless you click View All Comments. One of the duplicate comments was flagged as spam so I unflagged it. But still, neither comment shows up except under View All Comments. Will this eventually fix itself, or is there something else I need to do?
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Never mind, I found a solution. From the View All Comments pages, I clicked "like" on one of the duplicate comments, and it now shows up on the main video page under top comments.
Simon Shack for President! Classic.
Well you have my vote mate. I voted "like" on the comment and now it sits at sits at 228!
And by the way it looks like its back down to one comment and not duplicated now!..prob just some sort of glitch
While Im at it I may as well share my youtube channel, ( I don’t really use it for much just to stay in contact an research) I just have the septclues vids favourited on there.
If your interested in the 3 very amateur videos I uploaded, Mostly just for experiments to see how to make and upload videos… Here they are…
9/11 video deception, (basically just me playing around learning how to make videos from the forum research)
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9dp7GKOmls
A real plane I filmed and demonstrates what a real plane looks like being filmed from a camera with color and camera shakes and detail (not like fair banks)....
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVNgZwFVzdQ
Copy Move.
I recommend watching this one if any, to see the latest software that has recently been developed by Guisseppes very innovative software…
A video explaining image fornesics analysis using clone tool detection, origonally made by Venice image forensic anlysis guru,.. Giuseppe Serra. http://www.micc.unifi.it/serra/
Movie- (Giuseppe Serra)
(Music netsky) Copy Move.
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBjp9OoitTQ
Info about the video.
The principal problems in image forensics is determining if a particular image is authentic or not. This can be a crucial task when images are used as basic evidence to influence judgment like, for example, in a court of law. To carry out such forensic analysis, various technological instruments have been developed in the literature.
In this paper the problem of detecting if an image has been forged is investigated; in particular, attention has been paid to the case in which an area of an image is copied and then pasted onto another zone to create a duplication or to cancel something that was awkward. Generally, to adapt the image patch to the new context a geometric transformation is needed. To detect such modifications, a novel methodology based on Scale Invariant Features Transform (SIFT) is proposed. Such a method allows both to understand if a copy-move attack has occurred and, furthermore, to recover the geometric transformation used to perform cloning. Extensive experimental results are presented to confirm that the technique is able to precisely individuate the altered area and, in addition, to estimate the geometric transformation parameters with high reliability. The method also deals with multiple cloning.
Lol, my vids a very b-grad being such and amatuer and are mainly experiments…
Oh one last thing in this general chat, Simon I stumbled on this the other day…
Equinox wrote:I recommend watching this one if any, to see the latest software that has recently been developed by Guisseppes very innovative software…
A video explaining image fornesics analysis using clone tool detection, origonally made by Venice image forensic anlysis guru,.. Giuseppe Serra. http://www.micc.unifi.it/serra/
Movie- (Giuseppe Serra)
(Music netsky) Copy Move.
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBjp9OoitTQ
Info about the video.
The principal problems in image forensics is determining if a particular image is authentic or not. This can be a crucial task when images are used as basic evidence to influence judgment like, for example, in a court of law. To carry out such forensic analysis, various technological instruments have been developed in the literature.
In this paper the problem of detecting if an image has been forged is investigated; in particular, attention has been paid to the case in which an area of an image is copied and then pasted onto another zone to create a duplication or to cancel something that was awkward. Generally, to adapt the image patch to the new context a geometric transformation is needed. To detect such modifications, a novel methodology based on Scale Invariant Features Transform (SIFT) is proposed. Such a method allows both to understand if a copy-move attack has occurred and, furthermore, to recover the geometric transformation used to perform cloning. Extensive experimental results are presented to confirm that the technique is able to precisely individuate the altered area and, in addition, to estimate the geometric transformation parameters with high reliability. The method also deals with multiple cloning.
Wow this seems extremely interesting, thanks for sharing it. Never heard of this guy.
Wow this seems extremely interesting, thanks for sharing it. Never heard of this guy.
Anytime ! glad you found it interesting... Yes he is very switched on. Giuseppe Serra
“Giuseppe Serra is a Postdoctoral researcher at the Media Integration and Communication Center (MICC),
University of Florence. (Università degli Studi di Firenze, UNIFI) is a higher study institute in Florence, central Italy.
His research interests include image and video analysis, multimedia ontologies, image forensics, and multiple-view geometry.”
It's amazing how much cloning goes on in the media. Scary Iran Missiles... ....2n Busted!
The 9/11 is not left out of this somewhat slack photoshopping techniuqe either!! Rush Job.
Here is the "copy move attack" tool that forum member Brian V introduced me to. It’s a free one that can be downloaded, it takes some playing around but can be used to work effectively (even with pictures downloaded of the net)
I made an attempt at and got a good result. Suspect photo
Origonal Showing truck
Settings and applying tool I used.
And 100% result.
And that’s the only tool to download I could seem to find!
Demonstration of the new Guisspes “sift method clone detection tool” 2011.
If anyone wants to buy me a early christmass present… (hint hint)
Edit-- Noho unless I'm wrong, I vauglly recall in a post you said you were from Florence, Funnily enough Thats where Giuseppe researchs. The image forensics at the University of Florence is the worlds best.
What's the matter with it? Doesn't Neil claim to have authored the above picture sequence? If I got that wrong, I will promptly retract - and delete the above post. Let me know.
