The MOON HOAX

If NASA faked the moon landings, does the agency have any credibility at all? Was the Space Shuttle program also a hoax? Is the International Space Station another one? Do not dismiss these hypotheses offhand. Check out our wider NASA research and make up your own mind about it all.
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shhhh... we have to keep very quiet and very very still in case we startle them & scare them off.
here we see 2 LEM Lunar Exploration Modules contentedly grazing on the Serengeti plains...
would that be just the 1 LEM ? ...OR 2 LEMS ? ...with each 'Lunar' 'Moon Landing', then ?


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reel I already told you the Lunar lander was still landing in those shots, to deploy The big Mega ALSEP experiment and the proton radio emitter YTW :angry:

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professional photographers reckon it to be idiotic & a real pain in the arse to stop half way through a filmroll, unwind it off the spools, out the camera, fiddling 'blind' inside a black bag, making sure light doesnt get in, loading a new film onto the camera spools, just to take a single black & white shot, then unwinding the b&w roll, not exposing it to the 125 degrees heat, in thick spacegloves, then carefully re-spooling & reloading the half shot colour filmroll back into the camera again, winding the filmroll forwards again to shot 15 without messing up - being 1 spool-notch out - potentially causing misaligned double-exposures...
professional photographers will tell you you'd have to be retarded to go through all that rigmarole for 1 b&w shot.

professional photographers are idiots, ask any Apollo NA$A spacemans,
switching rolls halfway through the film, in the baking 120 degree heat
on the Moon, while wearing thick chunky spacegloves is a piece of cake !

cant blame 'em though, for switching to kodak b&w filmroll half way through the kodak colour filmroll,
then reloading the colour roll straight back again... the b&w one did come out looking well shit...

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I was trying to get to sleep last night, thinking about the Moon- I guess the Earth wouldn't rise unless you were near the terminator while it wobbled, but I did a search anyway..

Looks like Japan is in on it too (wrong size Earth, no stars):


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ-Dt9U1T10

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy2L9Jti9Z4
This one is by far the worst:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmaOcPYCGMA
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So: with regard to the A16 curious brass lunar observatory telescope...Hollycrap, thanks for the GIF (btw I think the astronot is standing in the dark to emphasise scope=stars=night sky... in the 1970s mind of the original viewers)

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This is a close-up of the device..allegedly

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(courtesy of http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/attm/la.a16.html
NASM/NRL wrote:OBSERVING EARTH FROM THE MOON
Apollo 16 astronaut John Young used a telescope to photograph star clouds, nebulae, and Earth's outermost atmosphere from the Moon. It was the first telescope used to make astronomical observations from the surface of another planetary body.
Dr. George Carruthers, an astronomer at the Naval Research Laboratory, built the original instrument, which is still on the Moon. A backup telescope, restored by Dr. Carruthers is on display in the Museum
Worryingly, this is one of the few pictures I've been able to locate...(courtesy NASM/NRL)
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NASM/NRL wrote:EARTH'S "GEOCORONA"
Dr. Carruthers' electronic telescope had a 7.5-centimeter (3-inch) aperture lens and was designed to observe in the far-ultraviolet region of the spectrum. This image, taken by the telescope on the Moon, shows Earth's outermost atmosphere, or geocorona, a region where oxygen and nitrogen glow brightly in ultraviolet light. The glowing arcs extending over Earth's nighttime side are produced by oxygen ions (oxygen atoms that have lost an electron) recombining with electrons in the upper atmosphere.
Dr Carruthers with his telescope...(courtesy NASM/NRL)
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Again, a reminder that this device is credited with providing some of the most substative confirmatory evidence that the Apollo missions did physically happen... this is also referenced on the interestingly-named Wiki page (yes, I know....)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-part ... n_landings

Curiously, that page doesn't seem to be entirely on-message for it's stated mission... :blink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings wrote: Ultraviolet photographs
Long-exposure photograph taken from the surface of the Moon by Apollo 16 using a special ultraviolet camera. It shows the Earth with the correct background of stars (some labeled)ImageLong-exposure photos were taken with a special far-ultraviolet camera by Apollo 16 on 21 April 1972 from the surface of the Moon. Some of these photos show the Earth with stars from the Capricornus and Aquarius constellations in the background. The joint Belgian/British/Dutch satellite TD-1 later scanned the sky for stars that are bright in UV light. The TD-1 data obtained with the shortest passband is a close match for the Apollo 16 photographs
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Another stunning extract from that debunker page...
Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conrad with the unmanned Surveyor 3, which had landed on the Moon in 1967. Parts of Surveyor were brought back to Earth by Apollo 12. The camera (near Conrad's right hand) is on display at the National Air and Space Museum.
AND TAKE A CAREFUL LOOK AT THIS PICTURE

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Non-Apollo hardware, on the Moon, located, and parts retrieved. I had never ever heard of this claim before....hands-up who had???
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The non Apollo hardware they refer to was the Surveyor probe, only probe to that time that did not crash against the moon, but furthermore was as brand new when the Apollo 12 astronots started performing the cross hair dance

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This is the biggest scam in history. Thousands of people during several decades have produced the largest most astounding collection of forged documents, pictures, footage, stories, captions, scripts and plans of imaginary devices in history (or at least from what I have heard about) .. and they keep going. They say the bigger the lie the most people will believe it, but this scam has gone well beyond the limit

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FAKE MOON

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TWiJQhaajA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TWiJQhaajA
Marcus Allen... on the early 90's New hi-res Apollo Moon Pics ;)

Uploaded by kraziman on Sep 24, 2007
Doctored pics of moon landing exposed!!! NASA r muthafukas.
B)


Question NASA Altered Video Apollo 11

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFsgUiu5Q8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFsgUiu5Q8Y
'Lowry Digital' - the ultra-perp NA$A '90's imagery 'restorers' :ph34r:
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icarusinbound wrote:[...]
OBSERVING EARTH FROM THE MOON
Apollo 16 astronaut John Young used a telescope to photograph star clouds, nebulae, and Earth's outermost atmosphere from the Moon. It was the first telescope used to make astronomical observations from the surface of another planetary body.
Dr. George Carruthers, an astronomer at the Naval Research Laboratory, built the original instrument, which is still on the Moon. A backup telescope, restored by Dr. Carruthers is on display in the Museum
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Dr Carruthers with his telescope...(courtesy NASM/NRL)
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Bravo, Great post! No I've never heard of the space "telescope" or the 'russian rendezvous' before.

I always thought it was suspicious NASA didn't bring an ordinary or remote-controlled visible-light-telescope to the moon. As the moon has no atmosphere, You would have been able to see and photograph stars that would otherwise be obscured by earths atmosphere. It would basically have been a free "Hubble" in 1969. They brought a "car", but didn't even bring a telescope(!)

"Dr. Carruthers" seems a little out of place among all those ex-nazis at NASA/JPL. Maybe it's because hes very young, supposedly 33 years old at the time of Apollo 16 (1972) :D

Apparently he completed a bachelors degree in aeronautical and astronautical engineering at age 22, a masters degree in nuclear engineering at age 23 and a doctorate in aeronautical and astronautical engineering at age 25. Impressive or superhuman?

Wikipedia has a lot of material on his education and involvement in Apollo 16, but it seems he has kept a low profile since then.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Robert_Carruthers
By 1964, Carruthers began employment for the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C. where his work focused on far ultraviolet astronomy. 1969 was the year he received a patent for his invention, the "Image Converter," which detected electromagnetic radiation in short wave lengths, and in 1970, he made the first examination of molecular hydrogen in space. Two years later, Carruthers invented the first moon-based observatory, the Far Ultraviolet Camera/ Spectrograph, which was used in the Apollo 16 mission.

During the 1980s, Carruthers helped create a program called the Science & Engineers Apprentice Program, which allows high school students to spend a summer working with scientists at the Naval Research Laboratory. Later on in 1986, one of Carruthers' inventions captured an ultraviolet image of Halley's Comet.

In 1991, he invented a camera that was used in the Space Shuttle Mission. During the summers of 1996 and 1997 he taught a course in Earth and Space Science for D.C. Public Schools Science teachers. He also helped develop a series of videotapes on Earth and Space science for high school students.

Since 1983 he has been Chairman of the Editing and Review Committee and Editor, Journal of the National Technical Association.

Since 2002, Carruthers has been teaching a two-semester course in Earth and Space Science at Howard University sponsored by a NASA Aerospace Workforce Development Grant.

On February 12, 2009, Dr. George Carruthers was honored as a Distinguished Lecturer at the Office of Naval Research for his achievements in the field of space science.

He is a member of the American Astronomical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Wikipedia uses a 1960's black-and-white photograph of him in a labcoat at NASA and an image search (https://www.google.com/search?q=Dr.+Geo ... s&tbm=isch) gives some rather hilarious results, results that gave me flash-backs to the Vicsim-report.

Here's some memorable examples (all from the above search):

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He's allegedly 73 years old now, and very "active" according to Wikipedia, but I haven't been able to find any more recent photographs.

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disinpho wrote:Apparently he completed a bachelors degree in aeronautical and astronautical engineering at age 22, a masters degree in nuclear engineering at age 23 and a doctorate in aeronautical and astronautical engineering at age 25. Impressive or superhuman?
Actually, my father had his Ph.D. at age-21, so I would have to say that it is certainly possible -at least back in the day, when bright students were automatically skipped ahead. Now I believe it is much less easily done.

You might imagine that, no matter how well I ever did in school, it was never good enough for him, and he always disapproved of my lack of accomplishment. Such is life.
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Great find disinpho. Reading about some of the high profile folks in charge of Mars, Saturn and all of the missions this entity advertises, I had had suspicions about some of the characters too.

This confirms it.

Looked left and right.

There is no photograph of da man portraying him old ... I tried to find one and I gave up :lol:
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icarusinbound, the machine is not the same as the overlay in the Apollo pic :wacko:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Robert_Carruthers
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fbenario wrote:Actually, my father had his Ph.D. at age-21, so I would have to say that it is certainly possible -at least back in the day, when bright students were automatically skipped ahead. Now I believe it is much less easily done.
I know, it's not entirely impossible for someone to get a masters at 21, but doctorate in astronautical engineering at 25 - I'm curious if you could even get any degree in "aeronautical and astronautical engineering" in 1964.

Your father got a Ph.D..... but it wasen't exactly rocket science was it? B)

from BBC's That Mitchell & Webb Look (just a hilarious little intermezzo)

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I
fbenario wrote:You might imagine that, no matter how well I ever did in school, it was never good enough for him, and he always disapproved of my lack of accomplishment. Such is life.
I think school has changed. You can research the classic trivium education - and how it got phased out. That is another scary avenue of research. I found some interesting testimonies if you'r interested. I myself got a good 'funducation'. I learned about the exploration of space and moon landing and a ton of whitewash about european history in elementary school and saw the taped 9/11 in a history class in september 2001. My view of education is pretty dystopic these days.
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This one is very nice reel, thanks for completing the panoramic with the nut with the shovel, I had not noticed that before :lol:

The problem of the multiple Lunar Landers :blink:

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(I have a bad feeling about these Carruthers pics...)

The official collected Apollo transcripts....I tracked them down to being at Johnson http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission ... cripts.htm...as an example, I located the archetypical motto-message by downloading the A11 "PAO Mission Commentary Transcript, July 16024, 1969", a 629-page PDF, then searched for the word "mankind"

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But....on to Apollo 16.

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So saying, a lot of seaching by me resulted locating "EVA" operations just within the PDF named "Apollo 16 Technical Air-to-Ground Voice Transcription, April 1972, 1,984 pages" (please, feel free to search...after all, it is unclassified public domain information that's there to educate the world)...

And some orientation...
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Comments located following a freetext search for "EVA-1" (page 832 of the A16_TEC)

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Up at around the 900 page-mark within the A16_TEC, there, a lot of transcribed EVA. Very casual comments, lots of jokes, extremely similar in tone to what's heard on any filmed segments that are out on the web or tv...
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But I failed to find any reference to the Lunar Observatory / Apollo Telescope....why don't you have a search?

And in connection with that bizarre steampunk brass hurdy-gurdy....
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It is either meant to be there, or not. The Official Story clearly doesn't accept that it's a paste-in, so if we accept for the purposes of the Story, it is located where it is meant to be. Let's say it's in shade to avoid solar punishment, and/or calbration problems with it's mystical Far UV detector...just how can it see through the body of the Lunar Module?

Plus, just in the same way as your observation, Hollycrap, regarding the above two-legged lunar tripod...it's unlikely in 1/6G, it's also kind-of implausable in 1G...(and yes, Holly, I agree, the two ChittyChittyBangBang scopes aren't actually the same...the terrestrial ones appear to have no inclination, and are more like epidiascopes / magic lanterns...)
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WHAT is going on here folks?? Is this all gaps in the scenery of a stage show that we're meant to notice?
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And here's an extract from the A12_LM.PDF, at page 125, Mission Day 5...locating the Surveyor probe, on the lunar surface.

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And comments on the total lack of blast-crater under the LM...

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Then an interesting candid comment from the CDR regarding the ground appearance...corrected by himself

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And note that the CDR cannot believe that a stone under the descent engine wasn't blown away

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Followed by a truly-weird question, responded to with a totally-neutral negative...Hollycrap, read it and weep

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Have a read of the section around p370 onwards, I'm going to dissect it further, I'm really intrigued about the fact that they're meant to be interacting with an object (Surveyor 3) which in the Official Story they didn't bring with them, but are slicing parts off from it. And they notice that the data antenna on Surveyor 3 is 'still pointing at Earth', because 'it didn't need to move'.

There is, as far as I can see in the transcript, very little mention of temperature issues during EVAs, and oxygen levels are constantly reported as fine...the PLSS backpacks do a 'fantastic job', aside from a few water leaks, there's never any problems with such life-and-death matters...which is, in itself, very unlikely.

I've just come up with a theory. It's a radical idea, and I'm sure someone else has thought of this before me, but here goes (please be kind to me- I prefer doing semi-scientific analysis of phototrickery, rather than putting down speculation, but there could be some basis in fact behind what I've thought of). Suppose the astronots believed that they *were* on the moon...and also Cap Comm believed it to be real...just think, if there was an absolutely-enormous enclosed ground-based facility on the earth, in the US or elsewhere, that simulated large chunks of the moon...and no actual boots-on-the-real-moon at all??

And suppose they were all being mildly drugged constantly (easy, because of the life support systems/food/drink), and perhaps also under heavy hypnotic suggestion? Their verbal exchanges are always amazingly casual, as if the astronots are mildly drunk at all times. Nobody would ever stride off into the distance, to hit the back-drop, for fear of dying, because for them it was real. The overall areas 'explored' are large, but could they have been convinced with criss-cross tracks?

I've seen TV shows done by Derren Brown (and seen him live on stage) where he has had people convinced that they landed a jet airliner and saved the lives of hundreds, using his special brand of misdirection and suggestion. The same artificial locations that were visited by the deluded non-astronots could then be re-set, using full stage lighting and gantries, this time with actors, after the end of the 'mission', so that they tied-in to the sets/narratives/scenes that had been trod by the astronots...also reusing the over-used mountain ranges. This overall effect would therefore be a variation upon the baseline fantasy proposed within 'Capricorn One', and would also mean that Mission Control/Cap Comm etc would *not* need to know it was unreal. Remembering the lengthy comms outages during radio eclipse....and the reported 'excellent 6 or 7 hours sleep ever night', even on the lunar surface in the LM.

Bearing in mind that the budgets (and the perceived benefits) were unlimited...don't discount this insane suggestion immediately.

Please, the logically-minded and skeptical people that read/contribute to this forum- can you say with certainty that this might *not* be a possible explanation? A massive shell game, with only a much-reduced inner sanctum of super-perps?
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