The MOON HOAX

[Skeptrick]

I am a few days late for comment on this, but on page 41 of this forum people are commenting on how illegitimate the mars rover pictures are.

Now I am well aware of how even today we could not send a man to the moon (well, at least one we hope to return alive).

But is the general consensus of this forum that we can't send ANYTHING into space?

True to this forums message, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Perhaps I am foolish and sleepy, but I fully believe we are capable of sending simple craft without organic beings with great accuracy to other planets.

To me, it seems, if we hope to say that ANY form of (non-human) space exploration is "obviously" faked that we must practically agree that the world is flat and open a new forum about the legitimacy of religion.

I truly believe our bodies are (thankfully) more or less quarantined on this planet, but I think it takes a great amount of faith to claim we could not possibly explore other worlds with machines.

Patiently awaiting enlightenment

Edit: obligitory shoutout to icarusinbound for a 5-star post on on April 8th, 2012, 1:01 pm. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

[hollycrap]

@tinsmith you seem to be good at finding the alibis by NASA

This is a crappy animation cartoon from the sixties.



@Kentrailer thanks for the music. It fits the clownery perfectly

@Skeptrick, there is no way you can transmit any message from Mars (or any other planet as it were). The radio waves would be scrambled by the radiation in space. We don't have relays to amplify the signal between the earth or any other planet. Of course if you dig deep in papers you will find an explanation for these transmissions, but they flirt with the brink of the absurd. Any probe sent to space would additionally have to deal with (micro)meteorite impacts and cold welding. Plus the pictures by the rovers -- HiRise, ESA Mars express etc etc can be demonstrably shown to be fakes

[simonshack]

What a perspective disaster...

[hollycrap]

What a perspective disaster...

Touche ...

[lux]

I am a few days late for comment on this, but on page 41 of this forum people are commenting on how illegitimate the mars rover pictures are.

Now I am well aware of how even today we could not send a man to the moon (well, at least one we hope to return alive).

But is the general consensus of this forum that we can't send ANYTHING into space?

True to this forums message, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Perhaps I am foolish and sleepy, but I fully believe we are capable of sending simple craft without organic beings with great accuracy to other planets.

To me, it seems, if we hope to say that ANY form of (non-human) space exploration is "obviously" faked that we must practically agree that the world is flat and open a new forum about the legitimacy of religion.

I truly believe our bodies are (thankfully) more or less quarantined on this planet, but I think it takes a great amount of faith to claim we could not possibly explore other worlds with machines.

Patiently awaiting enlightenment

Edit: obligitory shoutout to icarusinbound for a 5-star post on on April 8th, 2012, 1:01 pm. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

So, you believe that NASA lied about 6 Apollo missions that falsely purported to send men to the Moon but they are telling the truth about everything else?

And, you expect us to prove to you that these other activities were lies too?

When someone is known to have lied repeatedly and unabashedly, known to have perpetrated monumental hoaxes involving billions of dollars, lied to billions of people repeatedly for decades and still continues to lie about Apollo to this day -- when such a group makes a claim about anything it is logical to suspect that they are lying again and logical to demand that they prove these claims. As you say, such claims should be considered extraordinary and requiring extraordinary evidence.

[hollycrap]

Well said, lux

Apollo 11 earthrise.



The only way you could see earth rising on the Moon is if you were traveling in a spacecraft on the dark side towards the side of the Moon that always faces the earth.

Notice in this official montage of the Apollo 11, purportedly showing one of the many earthrises Edwin Aldrin saw while navigating around the lunar globe (only in his dreams)

First is The Moon ground green? It must be full of protozoa and bacteria
Second the horizon of the moon is not moving but stays static. Also whoever filmed this thing should be on meth. He is nervous as hell as the shaking of the camera shows.

There are no earth rises on the moon. The earth from the moon would seem static, wobbling a bit around a small imaginary figure of eight in the sky no greater than its diameter and not noticeable to the human eye.

Notice also the bump in the head of the earth and no atmosphere or stars like the CSI rendered counterparts of the ISS scam. The velocity rate at which the "moon ground" is focused to give the impression of motion, was not calibrated to show a convincing rendition of the rapidly rising fake earth.

[Heiwa]

Reason why Sun is seen rising (and disappearing) by us humble inhabitants on Earth every 24 hrs is that Earth rotates 360° around its own axis every 24 hrs and exposes all its sides to the Sun then.
The Moon does not rotate so fast around its own axis at it, the Moon, has got stuck just showing one side towards Earth all the time (at present). So Earth cannot be seen rising on the Moon by any alleged visitor on the Moon. If you have allegedly landed on the Moon side facing Earth, you'll see Earth all the time hanging as a lantern in the sky as it is lightened by the Sun one way or another. Only exception is if the Sun is 100% behind the Earth and you on the Moon, but it is rare. Earth covering the Sun as seen from the Moon.
If you are on the opposite Moon side, you'll not see Earth at all, ever. If you see Earth rising on the Moon, you are probably drunk, drugged, sick, crazy or similar, e.g. a trusted NASA employée.

[icarusinbound]

The Moon does not rotate so fast around its own axis at it, the Moon, has got stuck just showing one side towards Earth all the time (at present). So Earth cannot be seen rising on the Moon by any alleged visitor on the Moon. If you have allegedly landed on the Moon side facing Earth, you'll see Earth all the time hanging as a lantern in the sky as it is lightened by the Sun one way or another. Only exception is if the Sun in 100% behind the Earth and you on the Moon, but it is rare. Earth covering the Sun as seen from the Moon.
If you are on the opposite Moon side, you'll not see Earth at all, ever. If you see Earth rising on the Moon, you are probably drunk, drugged, sick, crazy or similar, e.g. a trusted NASA employée.

I'm trying to get my head round this, because your statement appears logical...

Meantime, there's something I keep subconsciously noticing about any (all?) earthrise footage...including the one here:



Why does the Earth's nightfall-line lie parallel to the supposed lunar horizon line? Would it not be at an apparent right-angle (pretty much) to the observer, the way in which the crescent a waxing or waning moon appears to us earthlings?? This is really stretching my limited powers of internal conceptualisation, as I'm totally unsure as to why the visible moon retains the same(?) relative angular position irrespective of where you are in the world.

It's worth reminding the Forum that much of the earth-rise footage might have been obtained via one of the many alleged pre-Apollo lunar recce fly-bys. This could have fixed opinions of The Producers as to what the received images from the lunar surface were meant to look like...and it might partly-explain the perspective issue of Earth diameter scale-fail, since the orbit seperation from the surface would be a bit more than the height of a chest-mounted Hasselblad...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U

[simonshack]

Reason why Sun is seen rising (and disappearing) by inhabitants on Earth every 24 hrs is that Earth rotates 360° around its own axis every 24 hrs and exposes all its sides to the Sun then.
The Moon does not rotate so fast around its own axis at it, the Moon, has got stuck just showing one side towards Earth all the time (at present). So Earth cannot be seen rising on the Moon by any alleged visitor on the Moon. If you have allegedly landed on the Moon side facing Earth, you'll see Earth all the time hanging as a lantern in the sky as it is lightened by the Sun one way or another. Only exception is if the Sun is 100% behind the Earth and you on the Moon, but it is rare. Earth covering the Sun as seen from the Moon.
If you are on the opposite Moon side, you'll not see Earth at all, ever. If you see Earth rising on the Moon, you are probably drunk, drugged, sick, crazy or similar, e.g. a trusted NASA employée.

Heiwa,

What you wrote makes so much sense (within the boundaries of what we know about the Moon-vs-Earth rotations) that we can only ask ourselves:

- Are the NASA HOAXERS extremely stupid?
[ or ]
- Are the NASA HOAXERS testing the limits of human stupidity?

Currently, I must humbly admit that my mind is split 50%/50% between these two (equally disturbing) options.

[icarusinbound]

- Are the NASA HOAXERS extremely stupid?
[ or ]
- Are the NASA HOAXERS testing the limits of human stupidity?

Currently, I must humbly admit that my mind is split 50%/50% between these two (equally disturbing) options.

Simon, may I also suggest that another possibility exists: that there have always been individuals, or sub-groups within the main body of perpetrators, who have frequently included deliberate flaws- not always just overt instances whistle-blowing, but perhaps even the quiet, nodding-at-the-boss "yes, we can do this" technologist, who knows that eventually/ultimately even the most superficially-subtle and all-encompassing of artificiallities will be uncovered (cf Universe 911).

Maybe that becomes their moral reconcilliation, the knowledge/hope/desire that one day the game will be uncovered...and at any Nuremberg to come, they can say they were 'only following orders'.

[Heiwa]

Heiwa,

What you wrote makes so much sense (within the boundaries of what we know about the Moon-vs-Earth rotations) that we can only ask ourselves:

- Are the NASA HOAXERS extremely stupid?
[ or ]
- Are the NASA HOAXERS testing the limits of human stupidity?

I think most NASA employées (all US citizens!!) just want to get paid at the end of the month and will thus do anything including mass murder (of the rest of the world) simply to get paid ... at the end of the month ... to pay rent, mortgages, bills of all kind, etc, etc. to keep up with the neighbours. Is it extremely stupid or testing the limits of human stupidity? The NASA people don't care! Like most Americans I have met.

[simonshack]

Simon, may I also suggest that another possibility exists: that there have always been individuals, or sub-groups within the main body of perpetrators, who have frequently included deliberate flaws- not always just overt instances whistle-blowing, but perhaps even the quiet, nodding-at-the-boss (...)

Yes, dear Icarusinbound,

But if this scenario is true, we must assume that the bosses (or their appointed supervisors) are EXTREMELY STUPID - no ?

If this is the work of a 'whistleblower' (an "Earth rise" seen from the MOON - whose visible side is, notoriously, ALWAYS FACING THE EARTH - AS IF ATTACHED BY A STRING TO THE EARTH CORE ), then this whistleblower must have had pretty GIGANTIC balls!

And WHY does this "Earth rise" suddenly appear to cut off in a straight line THE REST OF THE EARTH? Has any astronomer ever tried to explain this? I doubt it! But if this is the case, please let me know - I'm curious!

[hollycrap]

- Are the NASA HOAXERS extremely stupid?
[ or ]
- Are the NASA HOAXERS testing the limits of human stupidity?

The second experiment has already been carried out successfully many decades ago, with resounding "positive" results. Now there's nothing that can stop them

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[simonshack]

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[Skeptrick]

@Skeptrick, there is no way you can transmit any message from Mars (or any other planet as it were). The radio waves would be scrambled by the radiation in space. We don't have relays to amplify the signal between the earth or any other planet. Of course if you dig deep in papers you will find an explanation for these transmissions, but they flirt with the brink of the absurd. Any probe sent to space would additionally have to deal with (micro)meteorite impacts and cold welding. Plus the pictures by the rovers -- HiRise, ESA Mars express etc etc can be demonstrably shown to be fakes

I had never heard anything to the affect that transmissions can not be sent that distance through space, and would like to read more if you can provide some sources.

So, you believe that NASA lied about 6 Apollo missions that falsely purported to send men to the Moon but they are telling the truth about everything else?

And, you expect us to prove to you that these other activities were lies too?

When someone is known to have lied repeatedly and unabashedly, known to have perpetrated monumental hoaxes involving billions of dollars, lied to billions of people repeatedly for decades and still continues to lie about Apollo to this day -- when such a group makes a claim about anything it is logical to suspect that they are lying again and logical to demand that they prove these claims. As you say, such claims should be considered extraordinary and requiring extraordinary evidence.

Note the extreme difference in how you handle a question not even directed towards you as a person versus hollycrap's response. You are not doing much to put forward the truth if all you do is treat me with the same sneering superiourity that no doubt Apollo fans treat you when you confront them.

That attitude is cancerous and you would do well to treat fellow skeptics with some modicum of respect rather than furthering the image of the "asocial conspiracy nut."

Edit: If transmissions through space are impossible, what do you guys think of SETI? I find it an impractical waste of time (Oh, i bet there are other intelligent beings AND they communicate with our technology!), but if transmission is impossible through space, then why would the project be implemented in the first place?

Another large scale hoax to slave computing power? (NASA did have their hand in it at one point)