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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby Lazlo on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:01 am

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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby Lazlo on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:07 am

Conspicuous in Their Absence

Conspicuous in their absence are, to be crass, the money shots. One can understand not showing shots of dead children both in order to be sensitive and also to not compromise their futures* but to not have an Eric Harris and Dylan Kleboldesque dead man shot is quite puzzling. In a country that is obsessed with 10 variants and iterations, or however many there are, of CSI how can we be so squeamish as to not demand some kind of forensic proof? Bag it and tag it goes the hackneyed TV phrase but then what of the baggies? Can't we see at least a shell casing or a pristine bullet whose lack of deformations and striations would be presentable enough to even the most delicate of constitutions, lacking as it were any kind of direct evidence of any violence; you know, like in the Kennedy case?

''The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient," said General Westmoreland of his Vietnamese targets. I know that he said this because I saw a film of it interspersed with a shot of a Vietnamese mother trying to claw her way into a loved ones grave, so deep was her grief. Are we to believe that someone would be chuckling so shortly after the death of a child as Robbie Parker did? Is life cheap to him like ole Victor Charlie? Moreover, is life in the U.S. so precious that we can't even consider death and its macabre maw so that we have to remember these angels, and they seem that diaphanous, as they were in all their sweet rectitude and even one drop of evidence in the form of corporeality would erase that vision?

It doesn't need to be said that, sometimes, when bodies are hidden it is not at all about being sensitive but about being devious; like hiding flagged draped coffins from the press. Google: dead Iraqi children, they are not too hidden or hidden deep enough to protect the sensitive. Again, Google: Sharon Tate Dead, just like that, that is all you need to get a hit. When John Wayne Gayce was executed, the crowd outside the prison chanted in unison: "throw out the body, throw out the body, throw out the body!" And God knows what they would have done with it, but we weren't "spared" the spectacle of that crowd and their vulgar lamentations. And remember the VC who was shot on television, over and over and over; or the monk self-immolation? So this is the greatest photo fakery of them all: no fake photos.

*A "smart-ass" turn of phrase but juvenile delinquents are not photographed so that youthful indiscretions don't ruin what is hoped to be an otherwise promising future and these children may not have even had a past.
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby anonjedi2 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:46 am

Why does the Crisis Actors website feature youtube videos of REAL WORLD EVENTS such as this one, as if they are showcasing the talents of their actors?
http://crisisactors.org/video/the-searc ... ng-victims

Here's another example of what's supposed to be a real world event (VA Tech Shooting), posted on the Crisis Actors website.
http://crisisactors.org/video/va-tech-r ... resa-walsh

I recently read about a similar organization based out of Connecticut, but can't seem to find that info at the moment.

I've had suspicions about our friends Chris Ramos, Jennifer Seeger, Corbin Dates/Dayton/Kent as actors and I'm wondering if they work for this organization. There's a part of me that wants to drive down to this place and stake it out with my camera. Take pictures of people going in and out. Simon, do you think that would be useful or a waste of time?
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby anonjedi2 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:36 am


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_LKmvYffCM
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby Knapsack on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:22 am

CT State Rep. John Frey

I've been scanning Twitter tweets from Dec 14 looking for interesting bits of information. I'm finding that this is providing a lot of strange inconsistencies as well as a plethora of little-seen photos. One thing that caught my eye as I was searching was a series of tweets from Connecticut State Representative John Frey:

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Original: http://twitter.com/johnfrey

You will notice that he happened to attend Sandy Hook Elementary's holiday concert only the night before the shootings... and even tweeted this completely un-interesting news. You see, his nieces go the school. Well, LITTLE DID HE KNOW that the next day their lives would be in grave danger! :rolleyes: He later tweeted about this coincidence and the "innocence lost".

What initially caught my eye was the tweet above that I bracketed which mentions his sister driving down the road and finding "1st graders" running for their lives. Now, perhaps I missed it, but this story didn't sound familiar to me. So, I looked it up, and sure enough:

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Original: http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/ ... 121122.php

A couple things here--first, I thought the story was that the gingerbread houses were going to be made at school. Second, the kids ran for a mile?? Really? Last, but certainly not least, is the stunningly stupid last paragraph. They sat in a room (?) while she sang songs to the kids and tried to call their parents? She didn't worry about her OWN THREE CHILDREN WHO GO TO THE SCHOOL WHO COULD BE DEAD OR INJURED? She waited to get a text saying they were safe? :wacko:

I started to wonder if there was anything I should know about this John Frey. I found that he snuck in some legislation on the coat tails of this event:

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Original: http://www.ctnewsjunkie.com/ctnj.php/ar ... uggestion/

And his Wikipedia page mentions that he has a connection to George W. Bush. Apparently Bush appointed Frey to "The President's Commission on White House Fellows":

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Original: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Frey

I'd never heard of these "White House Fellows," so I took a gander at their Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
The White House Fellows program was established by President of the United States Lyndon B. Johnson in October 1964. President Johnson articulated that the mission of the program was "to give the Fellows first hand, high-level experience with the workings of the federal government and to increase their sense of participation in national affairs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Fellows

White House Fellows typically spend a year working as full-time, paid special assistants to senior White House Staff, the Vice President, Cabinet Secretaries and other top-ranking government officials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Fellows

Here is a look at some other people who have served in this role:

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Smalltown State Rep. Frey is among some pretty well-known names there. How did he end up with such a "prestigious" position, anyway? :huh:
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby Knapsack on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:54 am

This is a long, meandering interview from the morning of the shooting that I hadn't seen before. I find it very interesting:

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_ ... f-shooting

Sorry, I can't embed it.

The teen who is interviewed says a number of things that caught my attention. He mentions a child who was carried out of the school with a bloody face and other children who looked lifeless and pale being carried out by police. :blink: He also gives us his views on gun control :rolleyes: and even mentions the possible need to hide the truth. <_< Mind you, this is happening immediately after the supposed shooting.

A lot of things going on in the background that I'd like to take a closer look at. Also, did you notice the "technical glitches" which seem to cut him off right before he says something, erm, "wrong"?
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby Knapsack on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:31 am

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http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/lo ... st_newtown

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http://www.brandermill.com/?id=5846

The second photo is of Rachel Joy Scott, victim of Eric Harris at Columbine High School, April 20, 1999. Coincidence?
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby anonjedi2 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:43 am

That is a very interesting interview indeed, thanks for posting. He probably says the words truthfully and truly at least a dozen times. He also seems to get really nervous at the end of the interview. Of course he slips in the politics as well. Some of his statements are curious and don't jive with other versions of the events. I don't think the technical glitches seemed to be anything sinister.

Here's something interesting. In the video below, at 2:20, when talking about Emilie Parker, her aunt says she was an example to her "big sisters" ?????

Also note at the end of the video where the reporter plants the idea in the viewer's mind that there will never be any photos of Emily as a teenager and the only pictures of her will be as a little girl ... which is just how her parents want her to be remembered. I bet they do. :D


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_aTX1vxjoQ
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby Lazlo on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:57 pm

The whole White House Fellows thing I find intriguing. Since we know that high office in the United States is no kind of meritocracy, one must really pause to consider this sinecure. What are we to assume that these Fellows comprise some kind of adult version of a hands on civic lesson like Boys State / Nation that Bill Clinton participated in? From The White House site: Founded in 1964, the White House Fellows program is one of America's most prestigious programs for leadership and public service. White House Fellowships offer exceptional young men and women first-hand experience working at the highest levels of the federal government. Selected individuals typically spend a year working as a full-time, paid Fellow to senior White House Staff, Cabinet Secretaries and other top-ranking government officials. Fellows also participate in an education program consisting of roundtable discussions with renowned leaders from the private and public sectors, and trips to study U.S. policy in action both domestically and internationally. Fellowships are awarded on a strictly non-partisan basis. In other words: Bag Men.
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Re: Sandy Hook Truthers outed!

Unread postby simonshack on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:40 pm




THE 'SHAME' FACTOR

Ok folks, here we go...Shame on us all ! :lol:

If the primary underlying motive for these recurring "shooting" psyops was still a bit foggy until recently - I think it should now be much clearer - at least to all of us here at Cluesforum. The perps have been caught with their pants down faking "3000 victims" on 9/11. What we see unfolding now is their obligatory damage control in action - and we have seen how 9/11 is not OUR obsession - but rather THEIR obsession. The media goons MUST always stay 'a step ahead' of their opponents - and keep in high gear the discrediting-game of the same, year in and year out.


Just read this 'SALON' article to see where this public Sandy Hook discourse is going - and was always meant to be going :
Meet the Sandy Hook truthers
Theorists think they've found “absolute proof” that Newtown was a hoax. Have they no shame?
By Alex Seitz-Wald


"There are dozens of websites, blog posts and YouTube videos extolling the Emilie Parker hoax theory. If you Google her name, the very first result is a post mocking her father for crying at a press conference after the shooting. One popular video, which already has 134,000 views, was made by the producers of a popular 9/11 Truther film. “Just as the movie ‘Operation Terror’ shows the 9/11 attacks were a made-for-TV event, so too were the mass shootings … There can be no doubt that Sandy Hook was a staged event,” the narrator intones. He goes on to say that the adults who participated in the media coverage of the shootings “should be prosecuted as accessories after the fact in a mass murder” — i.e., the parents whose children were murdered in the massacre should be thrown in prison. "
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/09/the_wor ... heory_yet/


DISCREDIT BY ASSOCIATION

What we have here is nothing but the age-old tactics of 'discredit by association' at play. No matter how old and worn-out, the perps propaganda experts are using it once again to good effect. These shooting-psyops serve the primary purpose of counteracting the (slow yet relentlessly growing) realization that the NEWS MEDIA had a central role in pulling off 9/11 (and keep fooling the masses on a daily basis). As we now know, the TOP LIE of 9/11 is that "3000 people were KILLED that day". In fact, this crucial lie has turned out to act as a pretty efficient, emotional wall - behind which the perps hope to escape public scrutiny. "How dare you question our dead 9/11 heroes?" - is the standard reply you'll get from Joe Public today. But what about tomorrow? Is this protective wall somehow indestructible? Of course not : just like every other construction, the perps' wall needs maintenance from time to time - all the more so ever since its very foundations (the "3000 victims" lie) started crumbling under our Cluesforum findings.


STAYING ONE STEP AHEAD
(or - the 9/11 hoax maintenance)

Enter the "MAD-SHOOTER" psyops, in which mostly teens and children reportedly get slaughtered like cattle (be it in Norway, Italy or the USA). So what are these psyops' purpose? Gun control? Nah. With pink whale Alex Jones behind it - I'd now say that's a pretty fat red herring. Let us try this: could the seemingly 'sloppy' manner in which these "MAD-SHOOTER" psyops are staged be entirely intentional? Could the piss-poor actors, the clumsy backstories and the many 'conspiracy baits' be all part of a 'sophisticated' script? In this scenario, the media perps would be AIMING at generating a fresh new 'amateur-army of conspiracy theorists' - whom they can then play tricks with and, ultimately, easily ridicule wholesale on their globalized TV networks. As we have seen after this latest Sandy Hoax, a mini-tsunami of keen observers (aka "conspiracy theorists" in media speech) have been flooding the internet with questions about the very phony and contrived media coverage. Well, this 'mini-tsunami' would hardly scare or worry the perps - confident of the fact that they still have the masses on their side. Basically, these shooting psyops would serve to keep the TV-addicted masses outraged by "those crackpots who even dare question the tragic victims of smalltown events...And hey, now they're claiming that NO ONE DIED ON 9/11! Pfffuueyy! "

In pure propaganda terms, these recurring "MAD-SHOOTER" psyops (peppered with blatant fakery clues) may be - in other words - just a way to lure out of their lairs the observant folks of this world, only to launch 'pre-emptive strikes' on their overall credibility within the so-called 'mainstream' population. At the end of the day, we may find solace in the fact that no one gets hurt in the staging of these shameless mass-murder simulations.

Simon Shack


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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby warriorhun on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:16 pm

Dear All,

An interesting article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259104/Newtown-shooting-Conspiracy-theory-professor-says-Sandy-Hook-shooting-happened.html#ixzz2HWfxSuUE

Outrageous claims made by a professor who specializes in conspiracy theories are set to provoke grieving families by saying that the Sandy Hook massacre may not have happened at all.
(sic: "shame factor", anyone? ;) )
James Tracy, a tenured history professor at Florida Atlantic University, wrote a lengthy post on his personal blog saying that the shooting that left 20 children and six teachers dead may not have happened the way that it is widely believed, if it happened at all.


Another interesting page: All actors??? http://www.sandyhookhoax.com/all-actors.html


AND....

HERE WE GO AGAIN!

Today, on 10/01/2013, ANOTHER SCHOOL-SHOOTING: Taft High School, California:


Shooting erupts at high school in California, two hurt


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/10/us-usa-shooting-california-idUSBRE90910H20130110


At least one person shot at Taft High School


http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/report-at-least-one-person-shot-at-taft-high-school


Live video from this latest school-shooting incident:

http://www.turnto23.com/video/live_video


They are gearing up this type of psy-ops like there was no tomorrow, aren't they? Life in the USA seems to be about somebody committing a school-shooting or two every other day...These psy-oppers do mean business, for sure.

Maybe the Obama Government really plan to take away the guns from those people who DON'T commit school-shootings??? And right after they took all the guns from the WASP and redneck folks, all they'll need to do is un-chain Django, and welcome to South Africa! The proposed gun-control legislation is clearly showing Obama's Marxist roots. The first thing Uncle Joe Stalin ordered after occupying the Baltic states was to confiscate all the guns of the populations. The next was a free-of-charge train fare to the Gulags without a return ticket...

These are interesting times, I have to admit.

My overall view on these supposed recent "school-shootings": these are faked Media events, psy-ops aiming for anti-gun legislation and fear-mongering among schoolchildren. Probably they are expecting to trigger copy-cat crimes, to further entrench the idea of insecurity in schools.

And as simonshack pointed out, anybody who questions the existence of real victims of psy-ops can be ostracised as kind of half grave-robbers, half-necrophiliac heartless bastards who laugh over the tears of grieving families who lost their children, while at the same time spitting on the graves of said departed children. Or something to that effect. Indeed, this is a great psychological barrier to overcome. Especially because we as internet forumers - no matter how valid our conclusions are - by default do not have physical evidence on our hands, it would be impossible for us to have such, only the perps are the people who would have such evidence in their hands, they're the only people who can be 100% sure of what is going on because THEY ARE DOING IT therefore THEY KNOW. And the last thing we would want to do is hurt real grieving people and their real feelings. But, IMO, rather those should be ashamed who use our most noble, human emotions to further their agenda against us with such psy-ops: the perps, not us!
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby brianv on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:53 pm

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David and Goliath or Us vs. Mass hypnosis

Unread postby Sisterlover on Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:57 pm

I believe Simon is right on the money with his argument, and I'd like to augment that a bit... seems to me that, beyond gun control, we're looking at an attack on free speech. And if the pen is truly mightier than the sword, we might be in for a serious battle. It does appear that very little effort or thought is being put into disguising the fakery. Clearly, TPTB can control the minds of the majority with even a silly, simple news clip. It's much easier to quell the thinking of a few 'crackpots' and leave the 'official' version of events entrenched in the minds of the masses.

Naturally, people are repulsed at the idea of balking at dead children (real dead children, that is...) so it remains a simple matter of not ever allowing the non-reality of these entities to get as much coverage as, say, Fox News, Alex Jones, etc.. We see how easy this is on a daily basis (see" Bill O'Rielly and his ridiculous ad hominem attacks on guests that don't share his myopic world-view).

As long as people believe what they see on the idiot box, and broadcasters keep us out of the picture (or in the picture, in the light they require) it's just a matter of time before any version of events becomes 'reality'. Look at NASAs 50 year BS program. Despite the fact that many people doubt the moon landings, those who do publicly (or, especially on television) are made out to be obvious nutters.
Another example: I'm no huge fan of Richard Dawkins (I mean, he's alright, I guess...) but his Spaghetti Monster analogy is fitting... Imagine people believe in a big spaghetti monster that flies around in space, judging people. Most people would agree it's absurd, but many people believe essentially this, without any facts to back it up. Those who do question the existence of the spaghetti monster are shamed, despite a complete lack of evidence to suggest the monster is real. Where is the evidence (not footage, EVIDENCE) of dead children at Newtown? That d-bag reporter @ Salon missed the point entirely when he rages against the 'sandy hook truthers' as having no shame. As a journalist, he clearly has no shame if he refuses to look for REAL EVIDENCE. Not re-broadcast bites, but real, solid evidence.

So, I believe connecting the gun proponents (a'la Jones, etc.) with the media fakery types suits the bill perfectly for MSM. If you believe that no children were shot at Sandy Hook, then clearly you want a semi-automatic rifle yourself.

What I'm saying is that I easily can imagine the day when even discussing the possibility of dead children being faked will be a criminal offense. That's how desperate these freaks are to control what we think.
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Re: Newtown, Connecticut School Shooting 14 dec. 2012

Unread postby lux on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:18 pm

The history of American gun control legislation goes back to at least the 1930s. Each major "milestone" of gun rights-limiting legislation was preceded by a wave of psy-ops involving sensationalized gun murders not unlike what we are seeing here. A number of these psy-ops have been discussed on this forum.

While I don't disagree with many of the points raised as far as other agendas involved in these recent incidents, I don't see that we can eliminate gun control as being part of the mix. Have the perps suddenly abandoned the gun control agenda after all these decades?

I believe they want Americans' guns and this incident is part of that agenda. Just as the guns of Brits and Aussies and many others were taken away, they want ours too. Slaves can't own guns.
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