I have moved the above three posts by Hoi and Nonho here to the "Getting The Word Out" thread" (which were off topic with the "Cold of Space" discussion anyway) and here is why I chose to put them here:
It is of course of great concern to me to keep 'getting the word out' - and to diffuse as efficiently and convincingly as possible the essence of Cluesforum's most solid research findings. As Nonho rightly points out, we have - over the years - made "tangible progress, one that emancipates people". In fact, it is this emancipation of minds that is my main objective with this forum - and hopefully we are really doing some good here with our efforts to expose the many media, social, geopolitical & science deceptions / manipulations / hoaxes of this world. I dare believe that our readership values and appreciates our commitment to a research deontology privileging demonstrable facts, observations and evidence.
As I see it, even though the very nature of this forum relies on our open-mindedness towards new theories (in the various fields of research) as they unfold over time, I think we need to remain focused on the topics which may truly make a difference - insofar as the aforementioned 'emancipation process' is concerned. Bluntly speaking and in my honest opinion, we need to recognize and cultivate the best / strongest / most positive parts of our collective efforts here - lest they be lost in the midst of 'grander' - yet less urgent intellectual pursuits. Let me put this in simpler words: would it make a lot of difference (to our lives) if we should reach a high level of certainty as to the shape / form / nature of the solar system and the universe? Would such a 'revelation' empower us in any way - and improve our quality of life? I honestly don't think so. On the other hand, do our efforts, for instance, to expose the media hoaxsters and fear-mongering clowns of this world enhance / improve our lives in any way? I honestly do think they do.
I know, I have also indulged in / dabbled with 'grand' topics (such as our solar system - with my jokingly-named "SSSS") - but I consider this more like a side hobby and a personal intellectual pastime - as I certainly do not pretend nor expect to reach any sort of firm conclusions on that front within my lifetime. This is, of course, in stark contrast with my heartfelt, sincere and - I dare say - passionate wish that more people will 'wake up' to the realities of the world we live in - what with the unspeakably crude and arrogant 'tribe' that is currently ruling it - so as to build a 'base' of critical thinkers to start restoring sanity on this earth. To achieve this (over?-)ambitious goal, and if we are all serious about it, we need to observe a modicum of 'strategy' to reach out to ever more numerous freethinkers - without scaring too many of them away with 'revolutionary' theories about the shape of the world / or universe. In the meanwhile, I can only observe that our most direct / rabid opponents (such as the Fetzer military crew) have already been using the 'flat earth meme' as a means of poo-pooing Cluesforum. Here are a few extracts from their January 2014 "hit piece"
on Veterans Today:
“September Clues” has all of the earmarks of being a 9/11 gatekeeping operation. Buying into their bizarre 9/11 mythology may be appealing if you believe the Earth is flat."
"The only good reason to doubt the existence of satellites might be that you believe the Earth is flat."
"The September Clueless guys think satellite pictures of a Round Earth must be photoshopped. You can’t have a serious debate about a complex subject like 9/11 with people that think the Earth is flat."
And on Fetzer's own "REAL DEAL" blog: http://radiofetzer.blogspot.it/2014/02/ ... aking.html
Don Fox wrote:Shack is a Flat Earth disinfo agent who was putting Bin Laden stickers on his brother's race car in 1986. Why do you believe ANYTHING the guy says about 9/11?
Of course, we have hardly ever mentioned /nor debated 'flat earth' on this forum - but the Fetzer crew is clearly raring for us to do so.