THE "CHATBOX"

[Farcevalue]

This is from the NIH site that actually praises Edward Jenner (hmmm,where have I heard that name before?) for his contribution to the development of vaccines:

In May 1796, Edward Jenner found a young dairymaid, Sarah Nelms, who had fresh cowpox lesions on her hands and arms (Figure ​(Figure33). On May 14, 1796, using matter from Nelms' lesions, he inoculated an 8-year-old boy, James Phipps. Subsequently, the boy developed mild fever and discomfort in the axillae. Nine days after the procedure he felt cold and had lost his appetite, but on the next day he was much better. In July 1796, Jenner inoculated the boy again, this time with matter from a fresh smallpox lesion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200696/

One would think the injection of matter from infected lesions would have been a non starter, but the process has more or less continued to this day with some variation, with the expected effects of injuring and killing many in the process.

[brianv]

This is from the NIH site that actually praises Edward Jenner (hmmm,where have I heard that name before?) for his contribution to the development of vaccines:

In May 1796, Edward Jenner found a young dairymaid, Sarah Nelms, who had fresh cowpox lesions on her hands and arms (Figure ​(Figure33). On May 14, 1796, using matter from Nelms' lesions, he inoculated an 8-year-old boy, James Phipps. Subsequently, the boy developed mild fever and discomfort in the axillae. Nine days after the procedure he felt cold and had lost his appetite, but on the next day he was much better. In July 1796, Jenner inoculated the boy again, this time with matter from a fresh smallpox lesion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200696/

One would think the injection of matter from infected lesions would have been a non starter, but the process has more or less continued to this day with some variation, with the expected effects of injuring and killing many in the process.

I'd say "infected" here.

Reading about Dr Christian Barnard the heart surgeon recently, he killed his first transplant donor patient.

After securing permission from Darvall's father to use her heart, Barnard performed the transplant. Rather than wait for Darvall's heart to stop beating, at his brother, Marius Barnard's urging, Christiaan had injected potassium into her heart to paralyse it and render her technically dead by the whole-body standard.[1] Twenty years later, Marius Barnard recounted, "Chris stood there for a few moments, watching, then stood back and said, 'It works.'"[1][5] Washkansky survived the operation and lived for 18 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Barnard

Strange to Inject Potassium into a heart he was going to then put into another human? Oh well.

[simonshack]

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Need a face palm moment? Watch this :


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6sYB5d1Bu4

Oh well - perhaps she's right: Hillary and her likes ARE losing the information war.
I'd like to think Cluesforum is contributing towards this most urgent and desirable defeat.
But the farcical "alternative" TV channel RT is NOT on our side - let this much be clear !

[brianv]

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Need a face palm moment? Watch this :


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6sYB5d1Bu4

Oh well - perhaps she's right: Hillary and her likes ARE losing the information war.
I'd like to think Cluesforum is contributing towards this most urgent and desirable defeat.
But the farcical "alternative" TV channel RT is NOT on our side - let this much be clear !

The "Information War" is a euphemism for "Class War". And no they are not losing. Just more of their propaganda. When "Billary" is rotting in jail somewhere, then we can say "we are winning".

[simonshack]

Sorry folks - I'm probably into "face palm mood" these days... but here's a passing thought I had at the beachside the other day:

FLAT EARTHER LOGIC:

- " The Earth is flat because ships appear to not disappear below the horizon."

- " It gets pitch dark at night because the Sun disappears below the horizon."

No wonder NASA wishes to associate such 'logic' with those awakened to the Grand Nasa Hoax...

[hoi.polloi]

Not to start an argument, because it certainly is a funny way of looking at things, but I think they're implying the cosmos' behavior is different from Earthbound things.

By our conventional logic about their logic, we are tempted to say that such people would argue that all planes in the air are just "behind a cloud" somewhere.

However, I think a rational person looking at different world perspectives allows those world perspectives to answer questions for themselves. It should be brought up to such people, maybe.

[Pilgrim]

The Flat Earth Society IMO was created as a diversion to discredit all opposition to the Heliocentric model by association. I don't know the true shape of the world or the heavens but I am not going to NASA or the Heliocentric models/Royal society Freemasons/ball earthers for my answers. Go to the sea with high zoom camera/binoculars to see things that should not be possible under the current model is my advice. wink wink.

[anonjedi2]

Readers of Cluesforum and indeed those well versed in fakeology should have no problem understanding that professional sports are completely fixed, scripted and choreographed. Taking the body of research on much bigger and more important topics in this forum into account, this concept is easy for us to understand. But I stumbled across this wonderful piece of evidence earlier this evening that I felt was worth sharing here and perhaps you can use this piece of evidence when you come across one of these sports-worshippers we're all too familiar with in our daily lives.

Hardcore sports fans will find all sorts of ways to convince themselves that sports aren't fixed. The fact that sports are indeed fake, should be obvious to anyone who really thinks critically about these things. Multi-billion dollar industries aren't just left up to chance, and thinking that they are, is extremely naive. It's like children who refuse to admit that pro-wrestling is fake. One can actually learn a thing or two about how sports are fixed by watching Pro Wrestling, and understanding how the matches are choreographed, how the participants communicate and what sort of signals and tricks are involved. The business of pro-wrestling is quite fascinating actually, when you understand that this is mostly theater.

Even when a piece of evidence such as this makes it absolutely CRYSTAL CLEAR, without any shadow of a doubt, the believers and media-lovers will still figure out some way to say it's not true, it's just silly conspiracy truther fodder. God forbid their entire dreams are crushed by the reality that pro sports are nothing more than glorified versions of pro-wrestling. What would that mean for the life of a die-hard, hardcore fan? Their entire identity and in fact how they relate to the world around them would come crumbling down, and they may even be forced to examine larger possibilities of fakery like the ones discussed on this forum. Much easier to remain blissfully and willfully ignorant, I suppose.

Of course that's not to suggest that sports are 100% rigged or that every game is fixed or every player is in on the scam. Some sports indeed are more corrupt than others, in my opinion...boxing being a good example of one of the more corrupt ones. But as a whole, this is big business and ultimately, all of this nonsense is scripted, as you can plainly see in the video below.

The video comes from last year's Super Bowl. It shows three players on the screen. The offensive player, a Seattle Seahawk has just caught a pass and is making a cut to begin his move. The first defensive player, a Denver Bronco reaches out with his right hand to attempt a tackle or swipe at the offensive player, which misses entirely.

The offensive player then continues his move and performs a hand signal (this is the type of communication that's done in pro-wrestling throughout the matches). In wrestling, verbal cues or signals such as this one act as a cue to the participants to direct them on which way to move next or what the other individual's next move will be so that they can react and move accordingly. You can clearly see this hand signal take place with his right hand and thumb signaling 'up' to the second defensive player on the Broncos, letting him know which direction he should aim his tackle, so that he can duck underneath it.

Regarding this obvious hand signal, my favorite explanation (from a friend) was that the first tackle attempt (which is a complete whiff) actually hit the arm of the player with the ball, causing it to move up. What utter nonsense, as you can clearly see that the first defensive player doesn't even touch him. Cognitive dissonance is so powerful. People actually create a prison for themselves, inside of their own minds, convincing themselves that their eyes didn't actually see what's obvious to anyone. Fascinating.

Of course the reality is that this player is giving a clear hand signal. It's all choreographed just like in pro-wrestling, directed in Las Vegas. But I suppose Americans are usually too drunk on Budweiser to care or notice these things. In any case, I know this isn't a topic of huge interest on this forum but I hope it's worthy of a Chatbox post, at least for chuckles.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrWHwS7zTDs

[Selene]

Oh dear, wow, no escapes possible. Immediately obvious.

And I fully agree with you. The worldwide by far most popular (and thus billion dollar industry) sports, football (soccer) is very much rigged too. But it would be ridiculous to say that everything is controlled...

The tools in football are numerous. Isn't it the players playing on 0-0, 1-1 or whatever score suits both, the referee has a big role and lots of options to use.

A completely "accepted" way of trickery is to sent off certain players with red cards for small or even no fouls. Or to not do that for vicious ones.

See this example, where a player who kicks the ball and tries to stop before hitting the opponent unintentionally is sent off with a direct red card 23 seconds! into a Copa Libertadores game...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O01ef9rzKIE

Obviously rigged.

[Selene]

Let me cut the Von Rosenvinge "family" members from the NASA comedies thread and outline them here in the Chatbox, to not go too offtopic there and keep my post easier to read and digest.

See also the 2 (or 3) Tycho (T.) von Rosenvinges in the NASA topic.

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Alison von Rosenvinge Lawyer from NYC, attended Boston University & University of Pennsylvania, publishing this crap:

Global Anti-Corruption Regimes: Why Law Schools may want to take a Multi-Jurisdiction Approach

In the last fifteen years, the legal fight against bribery and corruption has evolved from the solitary effort of the United States with its Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA),....

Kirsten von Rosenvinge

- this is supposed to be a girl?? sitting like this and with some hairy legs?
- the shirt of the French national Football team, with that last name, are they Alsace-Lorraines? Who creates these entities?

Margot A. van Rosenvinge - Case opinion for CT Superior Court IV v. Margo A. von Rosenvinge. Read the Court's full decision on FindLaw.

Susie, Brucie, Perry & Pete Willy

Susie von Rosenvinge | LinkedIn - Greater Boston Area - ‎at SvR Designs

Bruce von Rosenvinge - LEGAL EXPERIENCE: Bruce von Rosenvinge has been a practicing civil trial attorney for oever 25 years specializing in Environmental litigation under ... (if this is your intro, I wouldn't want anything of your "Legal Experience", Bruce....)

With their son... Peter William von Rosenvinge...

Personal: Full name is Peter William Von Rosenvinge ... Son of Bruce and Susan Von Rosenvinge ... Brother of Perry ... Born on May 6, 1992, in Newton, Mass. (the other, not the Newton, CT Sandy Hoax one...)

And either:

Perry Jensen von Rosenvinge
or
Perry von Rosenvinge - LA - Perry von Rosenvinge | LinkedIn - Los Angeles, California - ‎Menswear Specialist for Blank Label, Songwriter

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The recently passed away William J von Rosenvinge - 15 mrt. 2015 - von ROSENVINGE, William J. 85, of Brooksby Village, Peabody, MA passed away suddenly on February 23rd

Eric C. von Rosenvinge - MD practices Gastroenterology and is affiliated with University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore, MD.

Kristina van Rosenvinge with her own website where she offers classes on Anger Management. In case you'd like to attend a class, the next one is scheduled at a convenient moment...

Please join me on Monday, June 18, 2012 at 7 pm EDT, 4 Pacific

Chris von Rosenvinge a graphic designer with also his own website. Looking at the front page, only an eye in the centre of that pyramid is missing...

And see this "keeping the psy-op alive" link to 9/11:

Composer Remembers Events of 9/11 in New Recording - September 12, 2014

The destruction of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001 had a deeply personal resonance for composer Kenneth Fuchs, who had lived in New York City for 20 years.

“Even though I wasn’t living in the City at the time of the attack, I needed to find a way to respond to 9/11 in music,” says Fuchs

After reading Don DeLillo’s post-9/11 novel Falling Man, the composer found the path he was seeking for creating a new work paying tribute to the victims of the terrorist attack. Fuchs’s latest recording, titled Falling Man, was released in late August by Naxos, the world’s leading classical music label.

The Infamous Falling Man (the phony jumpers) has been extensively analysed on Cluesforum...



Fuchs on the left, the "composer" who "remembers" "events" of "9/11" in a song, while he wasn't living in the city that very day, yet for 20 years he claims he was?!

Photo[grapher]: Chris von Rosenvinge who traveled with them to London, UK

Jannik Svend von Rosenvinge, passed away on Friday, Sept. 2, 2011.

He was born on April 12, 1946, and grew up in Rockport. As a young man Nik refused the military draft due to staunch moral opposition to the Vietnam War. Instead, he served in the federal Vista program and found himself sent to Arctic Village, Alaska, a small town north of the Arctic Circle. Nik remained in Alaska for two years that he counted among the most important of his life. In Alaska, Nik learned the Athabascan Native traditions and way of life, hunting and trapping to survive in the short bright Arctic days.

Over the years, Nik made a name for himself in the rigging business [no sh*t] by ingeniously meeting the unique challenges of transporting various items , running the gamut from heavy machinery to sculptures .

I can go on pointing out more of these clowns and entities (who makes these up??), but my post did not end up concised again... 26,000 search results for "Von Rosenvinge" and yet only 25 last names mapped in the whole US...??

[simonshack]

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Selene, I have suspended you for one month - to allow you some summer vacation. You need it.

Your doctor

Simon

ps: Anonjedi tried to tell you something - but you're obviously not a very good listener.

[fbenario]

Hardcore sports fans will find all sorts of ways to convince themselves that sports aren't fixed. The fact that sports are indeed fake, should be obvious to anyone who really thinks critically about these things. Multi-billion dollar industries aren't just left up to chance, and thinking that they are, is extremely naive.

You sound awfully certain.

NBA - 3-point shot from the corner with 0.5 seconds to go - no matter how much money is at stake, how could any player guarantee he will make that shot?

NHL - slap shot from the blue-line through a screen of bodies in front of goal with 0.5 seconds to go - how would the shooter ever know ahead of time his shot will go in?

MLB - batters have about 0.4 seconds to determine type/location/speed of pitch - how can anyone ever guarantee he will get a hit?

PGA - 60-foot putt goes in, how to ensure that ahead of time?

[anonjedi2]

fbenario,

I agree with you and I readily admit that not all games are fixed, certainly not down to that level, but I do think that oftentimes the referees keep things as close to the line/spread or over/under as possible and then let things play out naturally. As long as they're within the range where they need to be, the winner and loser doesn't really matter.

A great example of this is the tendency to call fouls at the end of blowout basketball games to put players on the free throw line and bring the point spread back under (or over) where it should be.

If folks here are interested, I can post some examples of what I believe are glaringly obvious "controls" of games where the referees (and possibly participants) do some very peculiar things that result in just a few points of a swing and a bunch of money changing hands in Vegas.

So, while the outcomes of the games themselves may not always be controlled (there's no reason for them to be), it's more about the line, point spread, over/under, etc.

[simonshack]

Not quite sure if 'sports-fakery' is of much interest to the forum's readership, guys - just my two cents.

[hoi.polloi]

I think it's a useful place for the average person to begin understanding fakery on a propaganda scale. We've already discussed how horn blasts and other audience modifications may be added to big soccer/football/footy streams to make the crowd seem really into the game while little of interest (but to sports geeks) is actually going on.

We've also learned that live blue-screen modifications to the fields were already being used in the 90's to modify pictures that millions of people watch "LIVE" (a bit of a mind-control word) and develop a trust of.

Broadly speaking, sports are also an enormous pacifier. It just melts people's brains very quickly when they start discussing it at length and they talk about this or that statistic of a player, or a management style, or who is trading who — as if that helps people get closer to the dynamics of a real game and what things are actually vying to rig it! With sports drama movies adding propaganda to the whole perception of sports, mainly about the earnestness of the challenge (with no corruption at all, of course, except for in the opposing team) and no real discussions revealed in the boxes, our imaginations are left to run wild about how boring, mundane or conspiratorial all the meetings that take place around a game could be. Simon is right that it's a potential dead end to claim we know. However, I am definitely open for evidence that human fumbles and foibles of games are suspicious as fuck.

I am pretty sure we already have a "sports" thread somewhere, and if some users wanted to occasionally sprinkle it with the latest smelly sports seasonings, I don't think it would necessarily pollute the rest of the forum.

Someone speculated years ago, I think it may have been Killtown or one of his ilk, that sports and other "live public events" broadcasting technology may have been the one media technology ripe enough for military investigation into its larger propaganda uses, which would explain a Rockwell Collins or someone else working on it for 9/11. Studying this helps us understand the history of the development of deception technology, which every child should learn in basic grade school or from their family at home.

Also, let's face it. When we have investigated the old knuckleheads in power in our country, a lot of them are wannabe coaches and other loud, abusive, pseudo-fatherly types thinking themselves defenders of culture through pure bullheaded bigotry. We kept seeing investments in sports companies, sports broadcasting companies and so on in the "power elite". Sports equipment is treated physically and psychologically like "light body armor", especially in American sports. And American football is treated like a World War trench-style battlefield, if you want to even believe the war stories about such dreadful places.

Anyway, dissecting sports "culture", and understanding the savants, followers and average folk that swirl around it, gives any thinking person curious about our world an insight into the insanity of our culture and technocratic "globalist" culture.