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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:26 pm

Flabbergasted wrote:
I figured sharing Smith´s text would save sweat and serve as a subsidy for the second round in the debate (rather than just fleshing out the same positions and speculations).


You're probably right, but what you think this "second round" should focus on? I look forward to your suggestions.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby omaxsteve on Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:55 pm

jumpy64 wrote:I want to thank you, Steve, for sharing your experience. I don't want to doubt anything you say, but from it I gather that you have never read the Talmud. So if you did now, maybe you would understand better what I'm talking about.

At this point it would be interesting if somebody here, who shares your religious background, has been taught using the Talmud, in addition to the Torah. There should be, since it's one of the most widely read Jewish texts. Maybe it's taught only to adults? I don't know, I'm just asking. I wouldn't want to add another division in groups here,but maybe there are people who follow the Torah and others who follow the Talmud, I don't know. It seems to me that the latter are the ones in power, also judging by their public declarations. There are so many of them, by the way, and maybe you could read them too, if you want.

I have formed my opinions on certain things, as you can gather also from my previous post, but an open discussion like the one we're having here can help me (and maybe others too) to refine them.



Im all for open discussion. "One of the most widely read Jewish texts"? Where do you get that information from? Do you understand the difference between causation and correlation? the fact that "some" jews are in influential positions and 'some" people in influential positions participate in hoaxes does not mean that the fact that they are "jewish" is what makes them to become "power hungry" or "bad" people. That is why I say that their religion is irrelevant, it is only their actions as individuals that they should be held accountable for. Here is an interesting, albeit long. article written by a Muslim ....
By: Dr Farrukh Saleem

The writer is the Pakistani Executive Director of the Center for Research and Security Studies, a think tank established in 2007, and an Islamabad-based freelance columnist.
Why are Jews so powerful?

There are only 14 million Jews in the world; seven million in the Americas , five million in Asia, two million in Europe and 100,000 in
Africa. For every single Jew in the world there are
100 Muslims.

Yet, Jews are more than a hundred times more powerful
than all the Muslims put together.
Ever wondered why?

Jesus of Nazareth was Jewish.
Albert Einstein, the most influential scientist of all time and
TIME magazine's 'Person of the Century', was a Jew.

Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis was a Jew.
So were Karl Marx, Paul Samuelson and Milton Friedman.

Here are a few other Jews whose intellectual output
has enriched the whole humanity:

Benjamin Rubin gave humanity the vaccinating needle.
Jonas Salk developed the first polio vaccine.
Albert Sabin developed the improved live polio vaccine.
Gertrude Elion gave us a leukemia fighting drug.
Baruch Blumberg developed the vaccination for Hepatitis B.

Paul Ehrlich discovered a treatment for syphilis.
Elie Metchnikoff won a Nobel Prize in infectious diseases.
Bernard Katz won a Nobel Prize in neuromuscular transmission.
Andrew Schally won a Nobel in endocrinology.
Aaron Beck founded Cognitive Therapy.

Gregory Pincus developed the first oral contraceptive pill.
George Wald won a Nobel for our understanding of the human eye.
Stanley Cohen won a Nobel in embryology.
Willem Kolff came up with the kidney dialysis machine.

Over the past 105 years, 14 million Jews have won 15-dozen Nobel Prizes while only three Nobel Prizes have been won by 1.4 billion
Muslims (other than Peace Prizes).
Why are Jews so powerful?
Stanley Mezor invented the first micro-processing chip.
Leo Szilard developed the first nuclear chain reactor;
Peter Schultz, optical fibre cable;
Charles Adler, traffic lights;
Benno Strauss, Stainless steel;
Isador Kisee, sound movies;
Emile Berliner, telephone microphone;
Charles Ginsburg, videotape recorder.

Famous financiers in the business world who belong to Jewish faith include
Ralph Lauren (Polo),
Levis Strauss (Levi's Jeans),
Howard Schultz (Starbuck's) ,
Sergey Brin (Google),
Michael Dell (Dell Computers),
Larry Ellison (Oracle),
Donna Karan (DKNY),
Irv Robbins (Baskins & Robbins) and
Bill Rosenberg (Dunkin Donuts).

Richard Levin, President of Yale University, is a Jew. So are Henry Kissinger (American secretary of state), Alan Greenspan (Fed chairman under Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush), Joseph Lieberman (US Senator), Madeleine Albright (American secretary of state), Casper
Weinberger (American secretary of defense), Maxim Litvinov ( USSR foreign Minister), David Marshal ( Singapore 's first chief minister), Issac Isaacs (governor-general of Australia ), Benjamin
Disraeli (British statesman and author), Yevgeny Primakov (Russian PM), Barry Goldwater (US Senator), Jorge Sampaio (president of Portugal ), John Deutsch (CIA director), Herb Gray (Canadian deputy PM), Pierre Mendes (French PM), Michael Howard (British home
secretary), Bruno Kreisky (chancellor of Austria ) and Robert Rubin (American secretary of treasury).

In the media, famous Jews include Wolf Blitzer (CNN), Barbara Walters (ABC News), Eugene Meyer (Washington Post), Henry Grunwald
(editor-in-chief Time), Katherine Graham (publisher of The Washington Post), Joseph Lelyveld (Executive editor, The New York Times), and Max Frankel (New York Times).

The most beneficent philanthropist in the history of the world is George Soros, a Jew, who has so far donated a colossal $4 billion most of which has gone as aid to scientists and universities around the world.

Second to George Soros is Walter Annenberg, another Jew, who has built a hundred libraries by donating an estimated $2 billion.

At the Olympics, Mark Spitz set a record of sorts by winning seven gold medals; Lenny Krayzelburg is a three-time Olympic gold medalist.
Spitz, Krayzelburg and Boris Becker (Tennis) are all Jewish.

Did you know that Harrison Ford, George Burns, Tony Curtis, Charles Bronson, Sandra Bullock, Billy Crystal, Woody Allen, Paul Newman,
Peter Sellers, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Douglas, Ben Kingsley, Kirk Douglas, Goldie Hawn, Cary Grant, William Shatner, Jerry Lewis and
Peter Falk are all Jewish?

As a matter of fact, Hollywood itself was founded by a Jew. Among directors and producers, Steven Spielberg, Mel Brooks, Oliver Stone,
Aaron Spelling ( Beverly Hills 90210), Neil Simon (The Odd Couple), Andrew Vaina (Rambo 1/2/3), Michael Man (Starsky andHutch), Milos
Forman (One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest), Douglas Fairbanks (The Thief of Baghdad ) and Ivan Reitman (Ghostbusters) are all Jewish.

So, why are Jews so powerful?
Answer : EDUCATION
Why are Muslims so powerless?

There are an estimated 1,476,233,470 Muslims on the face of the planet: one billion in Asia, 400 million in Africa, 44 million in Europe and six million in the Americas . Every fifth human being is a Muslim; for every single Hindu there are two Muslims, for every Buddhist there are two Muslims and for every Jew there are one hundred Muslims.

Ever wondered why Muslims are so powerless?
Here is why: There are 57 member-countries of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC), and all of them put together have around
500 universities; one university for every three million Muslims. The United States has 5,758 universities and India has 8,407.

In 2004, Shanghai Jiao Tong University compiled an 'Academic Ranking of World Universities' , and intriguingly, not one university
from Muslim-majority states was in the top-500.

As per data collected by the UNDP, literacy in the Christian world stands at nearly 90 per cent and 15 Christian-majority states have a literacy rate of 100 per cent.

A Muslim-majority state, as a sharp contrast, has an average literacy rate of around 40 per cent and there is no Muslim-majority state with
a literacy rate of 100 per cent.

Some 98 per cent of the 'literates' in the Christian world had completed primary school, while less than 50 per cent of the 'literates' in the Muslim world did the same.

Around 40 per cent of the 'literates' in the Christian world attended university while no more than two per cent of the 'literates' in the Muslim world did the same.

Muslim-majority countries have 230 scientists per one million Muslims. The US has 4,000 scientists per million and Japan has 5,000 per million.
In the entire Arab world, the total number of full-time researchers is 35,000 and there are only 50 technicians per one million Arabs. (in the Christian world there are up to 1,000 technicians per one million).

Furthermore, the Muslim world spends 0.2 per cent of its GDP on research and development, while the Christian world spends around five per cent of its GDP.

Conclusion: The Muslim world lacks the capacity to produce knowledge!

Daily newspapers per 1,000 people and number of book titles per million are two indicators of whether knowledge is being diffused in a society.

In Pakistan, there are 23 daily newspapers per 1,000 Pakistanis while the same ratio in Singapore is 360. In the UK , the number of book
titles per million stands at 2,000 while the same in Egypt is 20.

Conclusion: The Muslim world is failing to diffuse knowledge.

Exports of high technology products as a percentage of total exports are an important indicator of knowledge application. Pakistan 's export of high technology products as a percentage of total exports stands at one per cent. The same for Saudi Arabia is 0.3 per cent; Kuwait, Morocco, and Algeria are all at 0.3 per cent, while Singapore is at 58 per cent.

Conclusion: The Muslim world is failing to apply knowledge.

Why are Muslims powerless?

.....Because we aren't producing knowledge,
.....Because we aren't diffusing knowledge.,
.....Because we aren't applying knowledge.

And, the future belongs to knowledge-based societies.

Interestingly, the combined annual GDP of 57 OIC-countries is under $2 trillion.
America, just by herself, produces goods and services worth $12 trillion;
China $8 trillion,
Japan $3.8 trillion and
Germany $2.4 trillion (purchasing power parity basis).

Oil rich Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait and Qatar collectively produce goods and services (mostly oil) worth $500 billion;
Spain alone produces goods and services worth over $1 trillion,
Catholic Poland $489 billion and
Buddhist Thailand $545 billion.

..... (Muslim GDP as a percentage of world GDP is fast declining).
So, why are Muslims so powerless?
Answer: Lack of education.

All we do is shout to Allah the whole day !!! and blame everyone else for our multiple failures!!!!!
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:40 pm

No, Steve, I strongly disagree with you on this. On a social, collective level, it can't all boil down to the actions of "individuals". That's one of the myths that's destroying our society. A team effort is required even to win a football match, for example. It's only in a strong, compact and united team that the talents of individuals can shine. And this is especially true if you are a minority: you have to stick together, and your ethnic group is very good at this, regardless of the kind of tactics it employs. Otherwise, why would you have so many influential organizations to protect Israeli interests all over the world and especially in the US?

It's a fact: your people have a strong ethnic identity and protect it extremely well. I see them even applying almost military tactics in a context of an "us against them","divide and conquer" mentality. I might be mistaken, but I don't think so. After all, any good general knows that you must try and divide your enemy, especially if it far outnumbers you. That, I believe, it's the role of certain "activists", for example, in spreading "multiculturalism" only in certain parts of the world. But I've already said this, and I don't want to repeat mysef more than I have already, as Flabbergasted pointed out.

After all, mine is not even a criticism in this context. Other "teams" should learn from yours about "team effort" and play a much better game.

Therefore, if you don't see this, I don't know what else to say. You keep downplaying the role of your people's strong collective identity, exalting the role of "individuals" instead. It's against all odds that so many individuals of a very small minority occupy most positions of power just by chance, or because of a "superior intellect" - as our friend Miles Mathis would say :) - or of other similarly unconvincing explanations.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby fbenario on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:16 am

Jumpy, why are you leaving all of us in the dark? You've made repeated reference to Talmud provisions that apparently can be summarized as anti-Goyim 'kill 'em all' commands, but apparently can't be bothered to provide them for us to read.

Why are you leaving it to each of us to do the research to find these provisions? You've failed at the most basic posting etiquette and rules here, and act as if you have no familiarity with the forum at all.

Please immediately set forth quoted material from the Talmud so all of us can familiarize themselves with what you're going on about.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:08 am

I'm sorry, fbenario, I certainly don't mean to be rude, but here we're talking about things for which you can be criminally persecuted in several countries, including Italy, were even websites administrators have been arrested and their websites have been closed for "incitement to hatred" and other similar "thought crimes". In fact, as I said in my first post on this thread, even the administrators of this forum have expressed discomfort about this topic in posts I remember reading here.

And if I'm being even blatantly overcautious here, it's to make the censorship that exists strikingly more evident, because I consider it a very telling anomaly in itself. It speaks more eloquently, I believe, than any more specific words I could use.

So, yes you'll have to do your research, sorry. It's really not difficult, especially for skilled researchers like us. But if you need a little help here, and you want to go to the crux of the matter directly, you can start by googling "talmudic quotes against gentiles" (even without quotations marks) and see where it takes you.

Or if you want a more general context, or to verify the quotes, you can read about the central importance of the Babylonian Talmud on Wikipedia, and even search the Talmud online.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby pov603 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:41 am

You say '...to verify the quotes...' but to which ones in particular are you drawing our attention?
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:02 am

Since somebody asked, I've decided that now and them, whenever I find the time, I'll post other suggestions for Google searches.

Like this one: What zionist media say about gentiles (without quotations marks; from now on I'll put them only where really needed for more effective searching)

Or I can even link to documents, but only those written by influential people belonging to the ethnic group in question. I want to be fair and let them speak for themselves.

In fact, I just found a gem by Steven Steinlight, former National Affairs Director at the American Jewish Committee (AJC) writing here as Senior Policy Analyst at the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) in Washington, titled "The Jewish Stake in America's Changing Demography: Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy". You can find it at http://cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html

It's very interesting to read it all to understand a certain mindset, but just to prove my point to those who haven't enough time I'll suggest you make a search inside the text for the exact words divide and conquer. They're actually there! And you'll find them in a very telling context.

I could rest my case right there, but I'll probably give you more examples, as promised.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby pov603 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:13 am

If that is your stance, you may as well have this quoted too:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/robert-hand/divide-conquer-the-model-was-irelands-1692-ulster-plantation/387496439352

'Divide & Conquer', the model was Ireland's, 1692, Ulster Plantation
20 April 2010 at 05:15
It is no surprise that the Israelis should be using the tactic of "divide and conquer", the cornerstone policy of an empire that dominated virtually every continent on the globe save South America. The Jewish population of British-controlled Palestine was, after all, victim to exactly the same kind of ethnic manipulation that the Israeli government is presently attempting in Northern Iraq.

Following the absorption of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, the British set about shoring up their rule by the tried and true strategy of pitting ethnic group against ethnic group, tribe against tribe, and religion against religion. When British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour issued his famous 1917 Declaration guaranteeing a "homeland" for the Jewish people in Palestine, he was less concerned with righting a two thousand year old wrong than creating divisions that would serve growing British interests in the Middle East.

Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a "Jewish homeland" in Palestine meant for the British Empire: "It will form for England," he said, "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism." Storrs' analogy was no accident.

Ireland was where the English invented the tactic of divide and conquer, and where the devastating effectiveness of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between the colonial rulers and the colonized made it a template for worldwide imperial rule.


Divide and Conquer Revisited
Former Israeli Prime Ministers Ariel Sharon and Menachem Begin normally take credit for creating the "facts on the ground" policies that have poured more than 420,000 settlers into the Occupied Territories.

But they were simply copying Charles I, the English King, who in 1609 forcibly removed the O'Neill and O'Donnell clans from the north of Ireland, moved in 20,000 English and Scottish Protestants, and founded the Plantation of Ulster.

The "removal" was never really meant to cleanse Ulster of the Irish. Native labor was essential to the Plantation's success and within 15 years more than 4,000 native Irish tenants and their families were back in Ulster. But they lived in a land divided into religious castes, with the Protestant invaders on top and the Catholic natives on the bottom.

Protestants were awarded the "Ulster privilege" which gave them special access to land and lower rents, and also served to divide them from the native Catholics. The "Ulster Privilege" is not dissimilar to the kind of "privilege" Israeli settlers enjoy in the Territories today, where their mortgages are cheap, their taxes lower and their education subsidized.

The Protestant privileges were a constant sore point with the native Irish; although in fact, most Protestants were little better off than their Catholic neighbors. Rents were uniformly onerous, regardless of religion.

Indeed, there were numerous cases where Protestants and Catholics united to protest exorbitant rents, but in virtually every case, the authorities successfully used religion and privilege to split such alliances. The Orange Order, the organization most responsible for sectarian politics in the North today, was originally formed in 1795 to break a Catholic-Protestant rent strike.


Ireland as Imperial Laboratory
The parallels between Israel and Ireland are almost eerie, unless one remembers that the latter was the laboratory for British colonialism.
As in Ulster, Israeli settlers in the Occupied Territories have special privileges that divide them from Palestinians (and other Israelis as well).
As in Ireland, Israeli settlers rely on the military to protect them from the "natives."
As in Northern Ireland, there are political organizations, like the National Religious Party and the Moledet Party, which whip up sectarian hatred, and keep the population divided.

The latter two parties both advocate the forcible transfer of all Arabs Palestinians and Israelis alike to Jordan and Egypt

Prior to the Ulster experiment, the English had tried any number of schemes to tame the restive Irish and build a wall between conquerors and conquered. One set of laws, the 1367 Statutes of Kilkenny, forbade "gossiping" with the natives. All of them failed. Then the English hit on the idea of using ethnicity, religion, and privilege to construct a society with built-in divisions.


It worked like a charm
The divisions were finally codified in the Penal Laws of 1692, divisions that still play themselves out in the streets of Belfast and Londonderry. Besides denying Catholics any civil rights (and removing those rights from Protestants who intermarried with them), the Laws blocked Catholics from signing contracts, becoming lawyers, or hiring more than two apprentices. In essence, they insured that Catholics would remain poor, powerless, and locked out of the modern world.

The laws were, in the words of the great English jurist Edmund Burke,

"A machine of wide and elaborate contrivance and as well fitted for the oppression, impoverishment and degradation of a people as ever proceeded from the perverted ingenuity of man."

Once the English hit on the tactic of using ethnic and religious differences to divide a population, the conquest of Ireland became a reality. Within 250 years, that formula would be transported to India, Africa, and the Middle East.

Sometimes populations were splintered by religions, as with Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims in India. Sometimes societies were divided by tribes, as with the Ibos and Hausa in Nigeria. Sometimes, as in Ireland, foreign ethnic groups were imported and used as a buffer between the colonial authorities and the colonized. That is how large numbers of East Indians ended up in Kenya, South Africa, British Guyana, and Uganda.
South Africa's PM John Vorster is feted by Israel's PM Yitzhak Rabin and Menachem Begin and Moshe Dayan during his 1976 visit to Jerusalem
During WW2 the future South African PM John Vorster was interned as a Nazi sympathiser. Three decades later he was being feted in Jerusalem. http://tinyurl.com/92n89dSouth Africa's PM John Vorster is feted by Israel's PM Yitzhak Rabin and Menachem Begin and Moshe Dayan during his 1976 visit to Jerusalem During WW2 the future South African PM John Vorster was interned as a Nazi sympathiser. Three decades later he was being feted in Jerusalem. http://tinyurl.com/92n89d

It was "divide and conquer" that made it possible for an insignificant island in the north of Europe to rule the world. Division and chaos, tribal, religious and ethnic hatred, were the secret to empire. Guns and artillery were always in the background in case things went awry, but in fact, it rarely came to that.

It would appear the Israelis have paid close attention to English colonial policy because their policies in the Occupied Territories bear a distressing resemblance to Ireland under the Penal Laws.

The Israeli Knesset recently prevented Palestinians married to Arab Israelis from acquiring citizenship, a page lifted almost directly from the 1692 laws. Israeli human rights activist Yael Stein called the action "racist," and Knesset member Zeeva Galon said it denied "the fundamental right of Arab Israelis to start families." Even the U.S. is uncomfortable with the legislation. "The new law," said U.S. State Department spokesman Phillip Reeker, "singles out one group for different treatment than others."

Which, of course, was the whole point?


Imperial Blowback
As the penal laws impoverished the Irish, so do Israeli policies impoverish the Palestinians and keep them an underdeveloped pool of cheap labor. According to the United Nations, unemployment in the West Bank and Gaza is over 50%, and Palestinians are among the poorest people on the planet.

Any efforts by the Palestinians to build their own independent economic base are smothered by a network of walls, settler-exclusive roads and checkpoints. It is little different than British imperial policy in India, which systematically dismantled the Indian textile industry so that English cloth could clothe the sub-continent without competition.

Divide and conquer was 19th and early 20th century colonialism's single most successful tactic of domination. It was also a disaster, one which still echoes in civil wars and regional tensions across the globe. This latter lesson does not appear to be one the Israelis have paid much attention to. As a system of rule, division and privilege may work in the short run, but over time it engenders nothing but hatred. These polices, according to Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, foment "terror,"adding, "In tactical decisions, we are operating contrary to our strategic interests."

The policy also creates divisions among Israelis. Empires benefit only a few, and always at the expense of the majority. While for example the Sharon government spends $1.4 billion a year holding on to the territories, 27% of Israeli children are officially designated "poor," social services have been cut, and the economy is in shambles.

By playing the Kurds against Syria and Iran, the Israelis may end up triggering a Turkish invasion of Kurdish Iraq, touching off a war that could engulf the entire region. That Israel would emerge from such a conflict unscathed is illusion.

Divide and conquer fails in the long run, but only after it inflicts stupendous damage, engendering hatreds that still convulse countries like Nigeria, India and Ireland. In the end it will fail to serve even the interests of the power that uses it. England kept Ireland divided for 800 years, but in the end, it lost.

The Israelis would do well to remember the Irish poet Patrick Pearse's eulogy over the grave of the old Fenian revolutionary, Jeremian "Rossa" O'Donovan:

"I say to my people's masters, beware. Beware of the thing that is coming. Beware of the risen people who shall take what yea would not give."


Conn Hallinan is a foreign policy analyst for Foreign Policy in Focus and a Lecturer in Journalism at the University of California, Santa Cruz.


The Model for Iraq was Ireland, 1692, Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules
by Conn Hallinan
Global Research, Feb 20, 2007
Iraqi League - 2006-12-28

Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh's revelations that the Israeli government is encouraging Kurdish separatism in Iraq, Iran, and Syria should ring a bell for anyone who has followed the long history of English imperial ambitions.


Orange Order

"divide and conquer"
The use of this strategy was imputed to administrators of vast empires, including the Roman and British, who were charged with playing one tribe against another to maintain control of their territories with a minimal number of imperial forces. The concept of "Divide and Rule" gained prominence when India was a part of the British Empire, but was also used to account for the strategy used by the Romans to take Britain, and for the Anglo-Normans to take Ireland. It is said that the British used the strategy to gain control of the large territory of India by keeping its people divided along lines of religion, language, or caste, taking control of petty princely states in India piecemeal.

The British employed "Divide and Rule" in British India as a means of preventing an uprising against the Raj. The partition of India is often attributed to these policies.
In his historical survey Constantine's Sword, James P. Carroll writes,


"Typically, imperial powers depend on the inability of oppressed local populations to muster a unified resistance, and the most successful occupiers are skilled at exploiting the differences among the occupied. Certainly that was the story of the British Empire's success, and its legacy of nurtured local hatreds can be seen wherever the Union Flag flew, from Muslim-Hindu hatred in Pakistan and India, to Catholic-Protestant hatred in Ireland, to, yes, Jew-Arab, hatred in modern Israel. [Ancient] Rome was as good at encouraging internecine resentments among the occupied as Britain ever was."



A coin with two sides. The "Nazi-Zionist" medallion.

1.
"Nazi-Zionist" medallion was issued by the Berlin daily Der Angriff to commemorate a joint visit to Zionist Palestine by SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official Kurt Tuchler. A series of articles on their tour, appearing under the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine," appeared in Der Angriff in late 1934.
"Zionism and the Third Reich,"
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

2.
It was a struck for Goebbels' Der Angriff newspaper and translates as "A (Nazi) travels to Palestine". It served to commemorate the occasion a Zionist supporter/sympathiser, (and assured collaborator), SS member Baron Leopold Von Mildenstein, together with his wife and Kurt Tuchler of The Zionist Federation of Germany, spent six months travelling Palestine.

At this time many German Zionists, like Tuchler, were Nazi supporters and emphatically indulged themselves in what they saw as the integrity and goodwill of NSDAP policy toward Jewish resettlement: it also furthered their political objectives. Mildenstein's favourable report was therefore sought equally by German Zionists and Nazi's in their collective efforts at proselytising the peopling of Palestine with Jewish Semites. The Journals of this visit were subsequently serialised in Der Angriff in the mid 30's. I believe Von Mildenstein also championed the promotion of Eichmann within the Resettlement Dept.

The twisted genius of Goebbels can never be underestimated.

3.
THE Medallion was struck by the Third Reich to honor the co-operation and support given by the Zionist Jewish Agency in helping to make Germany "Judenfrei". The SS concluded written Agreements with the Zionist organization to ensure that Jews in Germany or under their control were forced to emigrate, selling their assets, the proceeds of which were placed in German bank accounts which would be available to the Jewish Agency for the purchase of goods and services from Germany IF the deportee agreed to settle in Palestine.

The new immigrant to the Jewish controlled area of Palestine, and his family would be given jobs, typically on a Kibbutz, and become a farm laborer - with his tractor and farm equipment purchased from Germany (but owned by the Jewish Agency). It was a difficult choice for the Jew who hated farming and the nasty climate in Palestine - but if it meant his and his family's life, he often took it.

Accordingly, the Zionists encouraged the Nazi regime to make life as frighteningly miserable as possible for Jews under their control. The choice was Concentration Camp or Palestine (Israel). Many thousands chose Palestine. Germany rid itself of Jews and improved it's economy and Jewish Palestine ( then a Communist entity) received the colonists it desperately needed to outnumber the indigenous peoples whose land it was. Much literature exists documenting this arrangement including a book entitled "The Transfer Agreement ". In other words, Zionists strongly supported the harshest treatment of European Jews by Hitler. The Nazi regime created this Medal in honor of their collaboration in ridding Europe of Jews, while preserving their lives.


4.
The medal commemorated Baron von Mildenstein's visit to Palestine.
"... Thus, in early 1933, Baron Leopold Itz Edler von Mildenstein, a man who a few years later was to become chief of the Jewish section of the SD (the Sicherheitsdienst, or security service, the SS intelligence branch headed by Reinhard Heydrich), was invited along with his wife to tour Palestine and to write a series of articles for Goebbels's Der Angriff. And so it was that the Mildensteins, accompanied by Kurt Tuchler, a leading member of the Berlin Zionist Organisation, and his wife, visited Jewish settlements in Eretz Israel.

The highly positive articles, entitled "A Nazi Visits Palestine," were duly published, and, to mark the occasion, a special medallion cast, with a swastika on one side and a Star of David on the other."
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:35 am

pov603 wrote:You say '...to verify the quotes...' but to which ones in particular are you drawing our attention?


Obviously the ones you'll find by googling "Talmudic quotes against gentiles".
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:51 am

Pov603, why don't you just link to the article you want us to read, as I did, please? I think what you just did uselessly occupies space here, and makes this topic more difficult to read.

I myself can't read the whole quote now, but from what I gather at a quick glance the difference with my quote is that in the latter "divide and conquer" is mentioned by an influential person of the ethnic group in question, while here it doesn't seem to be the case. But I may be mistaken, because as I said I haven't read it all yet.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:38 am

Here's a very telling interview to former Israeli minister of Education, both in written and video format:

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php ... se.293491/
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby pov603 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:43 am

If the article '...uselessly occupies space...' I have no objection to the 'mods' removing its content.
I fail to see how or why you skirt around this issue without properly naming [or shaming as you seem to be intent on doing] the 'minority' and their 'intentions' that you are focussing on.
You draw our attention to 'divide and conquer' like it is specifically a Hebrew-Israeli-Jewish [or H-I-J...] trait when in fact it is a common modus operandi for TPTB irrespective of creed.
You should try to be more specific in what it is you are trying to convey to others, then allow them to research matters further as they deem appropriate rather than hinting at things and then [seemingly] taking exception to others contending your assertions.
Also remember if it worries you that a disproportionate 'minority' exerts influence over the vast majority then consider the disproportionate influence the 'white-christian-western' portion of the world exerts over the rest.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby jumpy64 on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:47 pm

pov603 wrote:I fail to see how or why you skirt around this issue without properly naming [or shaming as you seem to be intent on doing] the 'minority' and their 'intentions' that you are focussing on.


I've already stated my motivations more than once in my previous posts. They're still there for you to read again, if you wish.

You draw our attention to 'divide and conquer' like it is specifically a Hebrew-Israeli-Jewish [or H-I-J...] trait when in fact it is a common modus operandi for TPTB irrespective of creed.


You're putting in my mouth words I've never said. "Divide and conquer" is a widely used military tactics. In fact, I think it comes originally from the ancient Romans' "divide et impera". I've never said it's something specific of a certain ethnic group. But in the case I linked to, http://cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html, it's used in very specific and non war-related context in a way that seems highly questionable to me. But everybody can read and decide for themselves, of course.

You should try to be more specific in what it is you are trying to convey to others, then allow them to research matters further as they deem appropriate rather than hinting at things and then [seemingly] taking exception to others contending your assertions.


I thank you for your advice, but I hope you will forgive me if, after considering it, I've decided to keep writing my posts as I deem appropriate, given the circumstances. And by the way, where do you see me limiting others to "research matters as they deem appropriate"? Of course anybody can research what and how they want, just as I can give the hints I consider more effective.

And as for "taking exception to others", I just said to you (not "others") if you could please link to long documents instead of copying and pasting them. And now that I read it, I can also say that, in my opinion, the article was at best only marginally relevant. It basically says what you said more effectively in just a few words here: other nations and ethnic groups have used divide and conquer tactics. True, but so what? I think such tactics are to be denounced whenever discovered. One instance at a time though, otherwise only confusion results.

Also remember if it worries you that a disproportionate 'minority' exerts influence over the vast majority then consider the disproportionate influence the 'white-christian-western' portion of the world exerts over the rest.


Actually, what I'm suggesting as a possibility here is that this "disproportionate minority", as you call it, exerts covert and undue influence over the "white-christian-western portion of the world" that you see as controlling the rest ofthe world, so for me it would still be a case of the former minority exerting a "disproportionate influence over the rest" by controlling in particular just the "white-christian-western portion" in question. I know this may sound a bit complicated, but I don't know how to express myself better here, so please forgive me and try to understand me anyway, if you will.

And in any case, you can always open a new topic in this forum to talk about this "disproportionate influence" that you see. And maybe even about the use of "divide and conquer" tactics in Ireland in 1692, if you think it's something relevant to the current situation in 2015. It's just a suggestion.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby hoi.polloi on Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:53 pm

jumpy64,

The thread you've created here is a really mixed bag and I'm not really sure what to do with it.

What is obviating about our threads that directly question the so-called "Jewish Holocaust", that openly point out the number of self-proclaimed Jews in the media and that constantly make plain our suspicion of names associated with the Jewish religions (Talmudic, Jewish atheism, etc.) and their naming conventions?

I understand the "artistry" of acting conspiratorial and whispery about something you identify as a censored topic, but on our forum I think what we could really use is something that shows faith in the mods, and more specific contentions.

Please, help us rename your thread to something less paranoid. How about "Reflections on Jewish influence" or something? Or, if you are trying to tell us "the ethnic group" you won't mention is because you don't know what it is, say that. And help us narrow it down instead of taking on the "alternative mainstream" position of setting up the "all Jews are so bad we can't talk about it" straw man.

If the name of the group is not something you have yet identified because it's hiding within the Jewish population, largely using the Jewish position, which in turn protects the conspiracy for a mutually-beneficial arrangement, that makes more sense to me. But then, it goes against your point that the conspiracy is "open".

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Simon and I have been trying hard to pin this topic down for a while now, ourselves. But if it starts with the same old "White Power" kind of arguments, you cannot let it end there and say it's good research. You'll want to ask harder questions of your own assertions. For example, as "omaxsteve" already pointed out, even though he has had a Jewish upbringing, we might note that he has challenged your weakest points about the scope of the conspiracy. That makes your opening post look as though you want to ineffectually identify the true perpetrators of the hoaxes.

Here are questions we contributors should really ask ourselves about the existing discoveries of those investigating the Jewish conspiracy.

What has the investigation uncovered besides the fact that conspirators in the media claim to be Jewish? How can we reconcile this with how little we explore, as researchers, what that claim means? What does it mean to "be" Jewish? What is the history of Judaic armies forcing conversion on other peoples? What ethnicities combined (or were eliminated) in order to form the modern Jewish thrust? Which peoples have Jews raped/pillaged/committed genocide on? As "jumpy64" on our forum, you have written a good precursor to this research and given us okay "hints" to start learning what has survived about time periods thousands of years ago. However, on CluesForum, it's not enough; we need new original research or newly compiled research and we need to ask better, more intelligent, more optimistic and more effective questions than those that have come before.

What is the meaning of so many groups generally propping up the Jewish whipping boy? What is humanity's tendency, in terms of all its ethnic groups, to hear the Jewish lie/skewed tale of Jews being "an oppressed underdog minority just fighting back to survive" and using that as a mask — in all its variety and forms — to cover up their own atrocities, failures and lies? In other words, why is the "Jewish conspiracy" so eager to be used as a foil whenever we try to find a foil?

Is it because it cannot hide as well as other groups, or is it because a Jewish sect has volunteered to be the Public Relations "intelligence wing" front of the psychopaths?

I believe we could try to understand the location of the Zionist, Jewish, Talmudic, Masonic, Gnostic, Catholic, Christian, Islamic, Sufi, Shriner, Pagan, Ba'Hai, Scientologist, Mormon, Buddhist, atheist, agnostic and other "fraternal order" entry points to the core sect of psychopaths. And if we did, I believe we would find a universal problem with humanity applying once again to a particular historic time period (in which we now live) where a particularly large portion of the Jewish minority ethnicity happen to be the latest iteration of a fucking long lasting problem with how we fail to design ourselves better as a species.

Until you can definitively prove this problem has solely been with the existence of Jews for a reasonable portion of all recorded time periods, we must process the fact that we don't know how to design ourselves better as a species but that trying to is a fundamental assumption (and bias) of this research pseudo-community.

We cannot allow any form of prejudice to take over our clear rationale and focus on evidence, since that is historically and universally the first step to getting a community rammed into another community with an opposite viewpoint by whatever this conspiracy is — whether it's Jews or some other force happily forcing us into the feud or not. Simon and I will not allow our forum, as well as we can prevent it anyway, to meet the fate of so many other forums that devolve into a personal feud between intellectuals from every ethnicity around the world. And anyway, it is not where our research has taken us. We haven't found that the majority of hoaxers are Jewish. We have evidence to support a Jewish tribal mentality, but that's something just about everyone is already aware of.

Assuming Jews do not want to fix their own culture just because the culture effectively makes many of its members into haters is naive.

The problem with our own cultures, we can see plainly enough here.

How many people have joined not CluesForum but simply the efforts of CluesForum to find the detailed problems? Amongst millions of people? How many people have shown a tendency to point the finger at a culprit other than one handed to us by a race that is eager to make enemies? This is a problem that we all have, all over the world, apparently. And in our search for those cultures that have better "technology" at self-improvement, why would you look to the Jewish belief system? It's failed for centuries, just as all world views, including our own, have failed to figure out the existential human dilemma.

Has it occurred to nobody that agreeing to be enemies with a group (that collects enemies as a form of twisted pleasure) is a form of strengthening the fucked up mentality within that group? I don't think so.

jumpy64 wrote:Actually, what I'm suggesting as a possibility here is that this "disproportionate minority", as you call it, exerts covert and undue influence over the "white-christian-western portion of the world" that you see as controlling the rest ofthe world, so for me it would still be a case of the former minority exerting a "disproportionate influence over the rest" by controlling in particular just the "white-christian-western portion" in question. I know this may sound a bit complicated, but I don't know how to express myself better here, so please forgive me and try to understand me anyway, if you will.


This suggestion is already the best you have written about what you think. Please continue to improve your expression and keep going. It seems like you are onto something, but you are using our forum as a place to practice your writing rather than presenting your best efforts. Maybe, gather your thoughts, come back to us with a more focused title for your thread and also some cohesive research that fits under that title.
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Re: Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on A Very Open Conspi

Postby brianv on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:13 pm

At last - moderation!

The "News" and the "Jews" are both decoys or smokescreens for the Aristocrat Banking Dynasties from antiquity. As is "Politics", "Sport", "Education", "Entertainment", etc etc.
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