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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby jumpy64 on October 25th, 2015, 12:32 pm

Congrats, Simon! The Coudenhove-Kalergi EUROPE PRIZE is a priceless find!

In fact, I think the whole New World Order scam, of which the European Union is clearly a part, is possibly connected with the expected advent of the Jewish Messiah who's supposed to unite all the world's population under the Jewish rule.

For now it's just an idea for a possible research, so don't take my word for it

But if somebody has already investigated this possibility, I'd like to know what they have found.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 1:28 pm

Apache wrote:
340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015


Thanks Apache for the heads up regarding Italy's legislation on the matter - I hadn't even followed it up. So there we are, folks:

"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."

"Deputy Walter Verini, who presented the bill to the Chamber, expressed hope that the law become effective on 27 January 2016, International Holocaust Remembrance Day."


So I guess that this leaves us just about another three months to freely discuss the H. on this thread - whereafter it will be wisest for me to lock this topic - for the foreseeable future. Or am I being unduly 'fearful & paranoid'?
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby jumpy64 on October 25th, 2015, 4:20 pm

simonshack wrote:
Apache wrote:
340 deputies voted in favor, one against and 107 abstained.
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/n ... -10-1-2015


Thanks Apache for the heads up regarding Italy's legislation on the matter - I hadn't even followed it up. So there we are, folks:

"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."

"Deputy Walter Verini, who presented the bill to the Chamber, expressed hope that the law become effective on 27 January 2016, International Holocaust Remembrance Day."


So I guess that this leaves us just about another three months to freely discuss the H. on this thread - whereafter it will be wisest for me to lock this topic - for the foreseeable future. Or am I being unduly 'fearful & paranoid'?


The level of servility of Italian parliamentary "representatives" boggles the mind... and the stomach :puke:

I think we should brainstorm to see if something concrete can be done to stop or at least denounce this. I know it sounds kind of impossible, being the press and the media in general controlled by the same "perpetrators" who are behind this most shameful and absolutely vile act of censorship, but who knows...
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 6:18 pm

jumpy64 wrote:Congrats, Simon! The Coudenhove-Kalergi EUROPE PRIZE is a priceless find!

In fact, I think the whole New World Order scam, of which the European Union is clearly a part, is possibly connected with the expected advent of the Jewish Messiah who's supposed to unite all the world's population under the Jewish rule.


Jumpy,

Just consider this extract from an extensive biography of the guy known as "Leon TROTSKY" (real name Leiba Bronstein) :

"Bronstein became a convinced internationalist who, by the agency of Parvus' care, learned that the Jewish people were their own collective Messiah and would reach dominion over all peoples through the mixing of the other races and elimination of national boundaries. An international republic was to be created, where the Jews would be the ruling element, since no others [???] would be able to understand and control the masses."

(Please understand that my triple question marks [???] are an expression of great surprise - and not an 'emotional' thing. - simon)

The Masonic Jew Leon Trotsky spoke to his fellow criminals ("revolutionaries") in Petrograd, in December 1917. Among other things, he said the following:
"We must turn her (Russia) into a desert populated by white Negroes upon whom we shall inflict such a tyranny as none of the most dreadful despots of the East have ever dreamt of."

http://www.zioncrimefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Under-The-Sign-of-the-Scorpion.pdf



Sounds familiar? :mellow:

BTW, this other tidbit from that Trotsky bio may be of interest to "your" thread ( "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspiracy"):
"The children at this Jewish school also studied the Talmud. According to the Talmud, the Jews are God's chosen people who are to play a leading role in the world. In 1911 the Jews had 43 such schools in Odessa alone, a town in which 36.4 per cent of the population was Jewish in 1926. Leiba began collecting pornographic pictures at the age of eight."
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby jumpy64 on October 25th, 2015, 7:13 pm

Wow, Simon, thank you! I'll post something about the bio you suggest ASAP.

Meanwhile, clues of this insane "open conspiracy", as I've called it, keep mounting everywhere we look, so much that I'm having difficulties at keeping up.

In fact, I was ready for some "closing arguments" on "my" thread, but I keep postponing because new things come up every day, literally in every field, and time is not abundant for me these days.

But soon I'll be able to draw some (convincing, at least to me) "conclusions", I hope.

Or maybe they've already "drawn themselves", it seems...
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Seneca on October 25th, 2015, 7:33 pm

I reviewed the "anti-negatonist" legislation here in Belgium. They followed the example of France (the law of July 13, 1990). In Belgium, holocaust denial is a crime since march 23, 1995*. So is gravely minimizing it (lots of room for interpretation here), justifying or condoning it. The maximum prison sentence is one year, the maximum fine is 30.000 € . When someone is convicted, the state can order this sentence to be made public in magazines, on posters, expenses are for the convicted. The vote was unanimous. There was not much discussion in parliament except from the party "Vlaams Blok" that was known to have voters, some members and representatives that looked favorable on the Nazi regime. The reason that they didn't vote against it was because "they feared sanctions of other political parties and political actors." They saw it as some kind of trap. Anyway, they couldn't have influenced the outcome with 8% of the votes.
*But even before 1995 revisionists were sentenced, see for example: http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/verbeke.html

sources: https://books.google.be/books?id=DWaTun ... me&f=false
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_lo ... e_name=wet
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 9:23 pm

*

Seneca,

I can only hope that you'll agree that this is the crassest piece of European legislation of them all.

It is an insult to free speech - and one that casts shame and hypocrisy upon our entire planet's claims of 'democracy'.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Seneca on October 25th, 2015, 10:39 pm

omaxasteve wrote:I am responding here, in the chatroom, because I do not want to interfere with anyone who is interested in researching the topic of the Holocaust. You are correct that I have not responded to any of the claims made by people who are questioning the Holocaust ; Here"s why:

The "facts" surrounding the Holocaust have long been ingrained onto the public consciousness. I have no doubt that many claims are exaggerated and many witness testimonies are fabricated, and there exist some doctored photographs. I also have no doubt that the Nazi regime led by Hitler hunted and rounded up Jews and transported them to internment/concentration camps and that a significant number of Jews died there.

If the "Jewish power mongers", or Zionist mis-leaders , were able to pull off such a hoax that has stood up for 70 years and also managed to get countries with very small Jewish populations to pass legislation making it illegal to question the veracity of the claims, I would tend to say they have "won" that round. It's over now, time to give up and move on to something new. There is nothing you , or anyone, can do; no evidence that you can come up with that will ever change the public consciousness or attitude. Even you could convince a number of people that the facts surrounding the Holocaust were fabricated as part of a conspiracy to advance the cause of Jews worldwide, how would that benefit anyone? I think that is also important that you understand that the great majority of modern day Jews are not involved in any conspiracy and are affected equally by the hoaxes and psyops as are the non-Jews.

With all the control they have on our media and education system, if they still have to resort to these kinds of laws against free speech, in other words, organized violence against people doing scientific research, I would tend to say they lost that round. And that they are being shamefully bad losers. Any honest thinker can see that something is not right.

But I think his advice has value.
omaxasteve wrote:So, to summarize my point of view, I am not trying to being adversarial. I am not going to debate you, or anyone about the facts surrounding the Holocaust. I frankly don't care about any evidence you can dig up from the events of WWII. I say leave that to the historians. Put your considerable research and cognitive thinking skills to use in an area where some good can come from it. To use a war analogy, stop fighting a battle that is already lost and the winner has already been declared. What good can come from fighting a battle that has already been lost, if it costs you the war?

My advice, not that you are asking, is to do do what you can to get as many people as possible on your side, be they Jews, Christians, Muslims, or atheists, etc. Focus on exposing the perpetrators, it matters not what religious group they belong to. You are more likely to have success by targeting those that are guilty, than the group they belong to. How can it possibly aid the cause of exposing media fakery by alienating the large number of Jewish victims that are equally effected as you are by the hoaxsters?

To make my position clearer, a Jew, or someone who sympathizes with Jews, will not be open to fighting against your imagined "Jewish conspiracy" they will however be much more likely to help in going after the perps within the Media, the government , NASA, or the CIA. Many Jews, however, WILL stand beside you if you are fighting against the Zionists.

But then we also should not alienate these brave people, who risk their lives in order to bring more truth to our historic consciousness.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 25th, 2015, 11:00 pm

Seneca wrote:But then we also should not alienate these brave people, who risk their lives in order to bring more truth to our historic consciousness.


Dear Seneca,

I don't think any thinkers / intellectuals exposing the Jews', JPM's (or Zionists' - CALL THEM WHAT YOU WILL) criminal role in world history are risking their lives anymore. Today the game has changed, since they have reached a position of (what they perceive as) 'untouchable power'.

Things were different during their ruthless ascent to planetary power. Back then, they really HAD to get rid of any dissenters, physically / on the spot :

"Despite the dreadful terror, more and more Russians dared to express their discontentment with the rule of the Bolshevik Jews. The intellectuals were especially open about their beliefs. Therefore, on the 27th of July 1918, Izvestiya published an appeal by the Council of the People's Commissaries to the Russian people. This appeal condemned "anti-Semitism as a danger to the cause of the workers' and peasants' revolution". The anti-Semites were outlawed and executed on the spot. Lenin himself signed the appeal but the initiative was Trotsky's. Lenin stressed that anti-Semitism implied counter-revolution."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... pion05.htm



They even had to kill their own - in order to achieve their insane plans of world domination...

"In other words, Russia was occupied by groups of Jewish gangsters, who later also fought against each other. Eventually, about a million Jews died in this way. Professor Israel Shahak stressed in his valuable book "Jewish history, Jewish religion - The Weight of Three Thousand Years" (London, 1994) that fanatical Jews have always tried to follow the instructions according to which they must kill all "traitors" of Jewish blood - those who do not accept their own extreme points of view."
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby fbenario on October 26th, 2015, 12:04 am

simonshack wrote:"In future, people [in Italy] who promote, incite or commit acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust can be punished with prison sentences of up to five years."

This statute on its face does not punish discussion or denial of the Holocaust/HoloHoax. It punishes 'acts of racial discrimination'.

Other European countries evidently do have Holocaust denial laws, as may Italy itself under some other statute. This statute, however, in this translation, doesn't seem to criminalize discussion at all - it criminalizes certain 'acts' based on Holocaust denial, whatever that means.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 26th, 2015, 12:07 am

Are you Jewish, Fbenario?
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby fbenario on October 26th, 2015, 12:24 am

simonshack wrote:Are you Jewish, Fbenario?

No, why?

You may remember from years ago when one of our members posted a lot of content from a Christian perspective that I was one of the few people here who quite openly stated he was also a Christian.

I am in no doubt at all that the accepted Holocaust narrative is just another horrendous psyop in an unfortunately long list that we've uncovered. However, as with certain other long-term members here, I don't see much point in trying to 'prove' that Jews constitute some special group of bad guys; those folks responsible for psyops undoubtedly include many non-jews. If Bostonterrierowner is right that the center of power is in the Vatican/British royal family, then it seems unlikely that bad Jews are ultimately in charge of much at all.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby simonshack on October 26th, 2015, 12:33 am

fbenario wrote:This statute on its face does not punish discussion or denial of the Holocaust/HoloHoax. It punishes 'acts of racial discrimination'.


Nope, Fbenario. It is not only about "ACTS" of racial discrimination. It is about writing or even talking about such things. Here's what the Israeli legislation says - according to our beloved Wikipedia:

Denial of Holocaust (Prohibition) Law, 5746-1986

Prohibition of Denial of Holocaust : A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement denying or diminishing the proportions of acts committed in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, with intent to defend the perpetrators of those acts or to express sympathy or identification with them, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_agai ... ust_denial


It's actually quite hilarious: how can you PUBLISH something by word of mouth? :lol:


I mean - FFS - why do Armenians have no such laws? Why does ONLY Israel has such laws - implemented ALL OVER EUROPE?

Or why doesn't the Ukraine have such laws - for Holodomor deniers?

Get real, Fbenario! Btw, had you EVER heard of the Holodomor - in your entire life? Please let me know.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby bostonterrierowner on October 26th, 2015, 9:19 am

Joseph Stalin was a Jesuit priest. NAZI (a knight in Hebrew ) SS organization - Schutzstaffel/Sedes Sacrorum/Holy See at its conception was staffed by Jesuit priests as well.

This thread is really about the Roman/papal power games.

Research Włodzimierz/Vlodimir Ledochowski, Superior General of Jesuit Order (1918-1942) a real superior of Nazis, Boslheviks, anglo-american bankers and others.
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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby jumpy64 on October 26th, 2015, 9:52 am

fbenario wrote:I am in no doubt at all that the accepted Holocaust narrative is just another horrendous psyop in an unfortunately long list that we've uncovered. However, as with certain other long-term members here, I don't see much point in trying to 'prove' that Jews constitute some special group of bad guys; those folks responsible for psyops undoubtedly include many non-jews. If Bostonterrierowner is right that the center of power is in the Vatican/British royal family, then it seems unlikely that bad Jews are ultimately in charge of much at all.


I really don't get this, fbenario. You say you don't see much point in trying to prove that Jews constitute "some special group of bad guys", but then you seem more open to embrace BTO's thesis that the center of power is in the Vatican/British royal family.

Why on earth would you be willing to consider the Vatican/British Royal family hypothesis (which sound highly improbable and unpractical by the way, also because the Catholic Church and the Anglican Church are two different religions, and in fact the Queen is a "competitor" of the Pope), and not the Jewish hypothesis?

What makes you more open to see people of your own religion - since you said you're a Christian - as the "bad guys" than the Jews?

What makes the Jews appear in front of your eyes as such nice and good people that can't even be suspected of conspiring against other races when we know as facts that:

1) Their religious texts say they're superior to other races, which are even considered sub-human, while now Christians can't even say that the Jews killed Christ (as the Gospels clearly state) because otherwise the rabbis get offended

2) Many of them affirm publicly their superiority and brag about it

3) They invented the banking system and admittedly control the media

4) They're the only people you can't criticize or doubt because in many parts of the world there are laws to protect them and whatever they say as dogma.

And what about the research that people like Simon, Seneca, starfish prime and myself, among others, are conducting in this forum, which points to several expressions of Jewish supremacism, and to the dubious role of this people in various historical events? You seem to be totally disregarding it, because you intervene only to discourage anybody from "trying to prove that Jews constitute some special group of bad guys".

I really wonder what it is that makes most other races go out of their way, even against their best interests, to protect an ethnic group that despises and cheats them.

Can the "Holo-guilt" really explain everything? Of course total control of the media helps too. Probably they've totally brainwashed us, maybe also using subliminal messages like "love the Jews", "Jews are good", "Jews are so nice", "obey your Jewish masters" and things like that in movies and TV programs. Or maybe it's something they put in the water, or a magic spell, I don't know.

Because otherwise I really can't explain how they could manage to maintain such an aura of "untouchability" even amongst inquiring minds like those populating this forum.
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