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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Farcevalue on December 20th, 2015, 11:33 pm

Warning: Rant ahead

I disagree with the premises (if they are to found) in both of the references cited by Greg Johnson. I find the "social construct phraseology" particularly troublesome, better to contrast concepts versus objects or the difference between the abstract and the physical.

A tree is an object, a forest is a concept. Once all the trees are removed, so goes the forest. To extend the metaphor to race and its implications, it's plain that there are physical differences in different types of people, which has been ascribed (whether absolutely, I am unsure) to migration and adaptation to different environments. As it is obvious that a spruce is not a pine, it is similarly obvious that people for the far east have different physical attributes that those from that Caucasus mountains or the plains of Africa. So what? When racism is brought up it is always as it relates to behavior and more particularly morality, and who has the moral high ground and why. As I mentioned in an earlier post, no one really cares what color the car is that is about to hit them.

In the second passage referenced, Johnson continues to conflate concepts with objects when describing himself as a nationalist with particular political persuasions. A nation is also a concept, as are governments. A constitution is a piece of paper (I guess accepting that definition may be one the thing I have in common with Dubya ;)).

It is absolutely possible to navigate a world of x billion people while treating each one as an individual, so long as moral constructs can be universalized and reversible. For moral constructs to be universal and reversible, they can only be negative in nature: I have the right to not be assaulted, raped, murdered, defrauded or burgled and so does everyone else. Period. This is the reason that any political system or nation state is a non starter and will require scapegoats. I will sooner live with a community that sports every race under the sun and demands nothing than a homogenized community that requires x percentage of my resources for "protection".

Are you worried the Jews have corrupted your government? Well, what did you expect? You have a friggin' government. It's like complaining about how a mugger is spending your money after he has robbed you. It's worse, it's like posting on Facebook like whiny little bi*#+s every four years about how if we get enough people talking about the Muzlims or the Mezcans we can get our muggers to do the right thing with the money they stole.

Laws are ink on paper, put there by psycopaths, ignore every one you can so long as doing so causes no harm. Don't give any money to anyone that isn't offering an explicit value in return (i.e. tax). Don't legitimize the system by voting. Laugh at anyone so self important as to call themselves a senator. Recognize a judge is a man in a black dress. If you don't want to trade with bespectacled folks with larger than average noses, don't.

Granted, these are simple but not easy solutions. Being the only person in your town to not pay property tax may not be the safest route at the moment, but in the long term, it's the only way. Once we have relieved ourselves from the superstitions of statism and belief in the authority of those who call themselves government (now those are open conspiracies) there will be precious little mischief left for any particular race to get up to.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Seneca on December 21st, 2015, 12:11 am

Wow. If Greg Johnson is such a genius, I wonder why he needs all these straw man arguments.

We can freely acknowledge that there are some good blacks, Muslims, and Jews. There just aren’t enough of them for our tastes.

Please tell me how did you count them?
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby JLapage on December 21st, 2015, 6:00 am

I am truly wondering about this thread and its purpose. Jump, you are complaining about Jewish supremacism/racism and countering it with white racism? I sense, either a little bit of naivete or maybe intentional race baiting in your long posts.Didn't Mussolini already try the racist approach? And I wonder if you know why he failed.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby jumpy64 on December 21st, 2015, 11:50 am

Farcevalue wrote:It is absolutely possible to navigate a world of x billion people while treating each one as an individual, so long as moral constructs can be universalized and reversible. For moral constructs to be universal and reversible, they can only be negative in nature: I have the right to not be assaulted, raped, murdered, defrauded or burgled and so does everyone else. Period. This is the reason that any political system or nation state is a non starter and will require scapegoats. I will sooner live with a community that sports every race under the sun and demands nothing than a homogenized community that requires x percentage of my resources for "protection".


I like your vision, Farcevalue, but who is going to establish the universal and reversible moral constructs you talk about? The one you are envisioning is a world in which I guess the overwhelming majority of Cluesforum members could live happily ever after. As it seems to me, we are part of a pretty homogeneous western intellectual elite of educated people with common moral values (no to lies and manipulation, respect for others, etc.) who would recognize your moral constructs spontaneously. But since you'd like to include everybody of any race or creed in your community, please tell me how you would convince people who do not share them to uphold your moral constructs.

Do you remember the Muslim guy in the video "With Open Gates" I embedded on page 26 of this thread, who says he has "big balls" and so he thinks he has the right to impregnate every woman he wants? How would you convince him that women have the right not to be assaulted? And how would you convince a Jewish supremacist who thinks that the Goyim exist only to serve the Jews? Or an African guy who can barely read and doesn't even know what an "universal and reversible moral construct" is?

To live well together, we have to form functional communities, homogeneous at least in their values, as the one you describe, in which someone who thinks he has the right to assault others wouldn't fit. So let's go back once again to the one we are all part of here as an example, because every time I try to adopt a wider perspective I get knee-jerk reactions from people screaming "white racism!", like JLapage as the most recent and blatant example.

As I said, Cluesforum works well because it's a sufficiently homogeneous community ruled by one moral leader who, let's face it, runs a pretty tight ship. I mean, everybody can subscribe to Cluesforum, but it's Simon who, based on the value he attributes to what members express in it, decides who stays, is to be suspended or has to go.

Trolls, as an example, are certainly not welcome here, and they can be expelled if discovered. As expelled would also be, sooner or later, people who subscribed to this forum only to try and convince us that the official media version of world events is the truth.

Now, Cluesforum is an international community, in the sense that anybody from any part of the world can subscribe to it. Nevertheless, it seems to me that we have an overwhelming majority of male Western people of European descent here. Therefore, from a racial and “genderistic” perspective, Cluesforum could be accused of being a racist and male-chauvinistic community, and Simon, as its "president", could be considered a "white supremacist", all the more so because he's a Northern European.

So imagine that a troll who’s been expelled from our community and who happens to be black appeals to an "Internet Interracial Authority" saying that Cluesforum is a racist community overwhelmingly composed of white people, and he’s been expelled because he’s black. And imagine also that a supporter of the official media version of world events who happens to be of Jewish descent does the same accusing Simon Shack to be an anti-semite.

Other “dissidents” (in relation to this community’s values) might do the same, until the Internet Authority decides to intervene and warn Simon that he must reinstate all the black, Jewish and Muslim members, and even encourage other representatives of the aforementioned groups (in addition to more women) to subscribe, if he doesn’t want his community to be shut down on the grounds of “racism” and “white supremacism”.

If Simon was forced to cave in to try and save his community, can you imagine what would happen to Cluesforum? We’d have trolls and “officialists” swarming in and accusing all the best, more critical and perceptive members of our community of being “racists”, “anti-semites” or “male chauvinists”. There would be some resistance, of course, but sooner or later the official version of media events would become prevalent here too, because people with different convictions would be booed away by the new majority as being at least “politically incorrect”.

In the end our community would dissolve, or become the opposite of what its creator intended it to be. At a certain point Simon would be overthrown with a “democratic” majority vote, which would elect a mulatto transgender with Jewish ancestry as Cluesforum’s new president.

So please, think hard about this before accusing me of things we could all be accused of one day by a hostile group bent on destroying a community like Cluesforum and its values.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Seneca on December 21st, 2015, 3:08 pm

jumpy64 wrote:So please, think hard about this before accusing me of things we could all be accused of one day by a hostile group bent on destroying a community like Cluesforum and its values.


I don't understand. You seem proud of these racist ideas and if someone calls it racism they have to beware because of some fictional "Internet Interracial Authority"? I don't think you should use this forum to promote your personal views if you don't provide a single fact to defend them.

And suppose you were right that people live better lives in homogeneous homelands, how would you put this knowledge into practice? How would you go about to create these homelands? How do you decide where an individual of mixed heritage should go to? Would you create a separate country for Italian homosexuals? What about Italian Muslims, and other non Christians, do they get their own homeland?
And if you figured this out, how are you going to implement your plan? People are not going to move voluntarily so you need some system of repression. Which one are you going to pick? Democracy will probably not work because for some reason similar plans have seldom gotten a majority of the votes. So I guess you would go for an enlightened dictatorship. Good luck with that.
Jews in Israel are trying this for a long time, not too much restricted by morals, do you think you can do better?
Or would you try to achieve your goal without the state? Perhaps by trying to make the lives of blacks, muslisms and jews so miserable that they would leave voluntarily?

If I were a JPM, these kinds of ideas are exactly the ones I would promote, together with multiculturalism. Divide and conquer.
My own plan would be more in the line of "recruiting a team of exceptional outliers from a wide range of different groups" with the task of getting rid of the most evil people.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Farcevalue on December 21st, 2015, 3:19 pm

jumpy64 wrote:So please, think hard about this before accusing me of things we could all be accused of one day by a hostile group bent on destroying a community like Cluesforum and its values.


There was no accusation leveled in my post. I find the race issue less than constructive as it is tertiary to demonstrable problems that are more readily identifiable and opposable.

An internet forum is not analogous to a government; in the case of the latter the problem is the inability to opt out.

I am a bit disappointed that the Open Gates was cited as factual, it's obviously a collection of clips shot in different places at different times, with a smattering of CGI and an agenda. Nevertheless, the point about the universality of negative rights is that no one has to understand them. People know instinctively they have the freedom to not be violated, that's why it takes 20,000 hours of government schooling and a constant stream of media propaganda to convince them otherwise. In the case of the huevo grande impregnator, any of his potential victims is within their rights of not being violated to resist his attempts with whatever force is necessary, up to and including death. Should the victim be unable to provide their own defense due to a strength/size disparity, they are within their rights to outsource their defense to someone else. This happens all the time as it is when people defend those they know or care about.

Under a government this is all flipped on its head: government has the mandate to violate the rights of peaceful people through taxes and regulations. Cops are paid for protection when they have no legal obligation to provide it and suffer no consequences for not doing so. They also rarely suffer consequences for inflicting harm on those they are paid to protect. Through taxes, inflation, opportunity cost due to regulations, crony capitalism and a host of other restrictions and mechanisms for confiscation, anyone who trades valuable time and resources with those who want/need them are receiving a small percentage of the total value of their efforts. The rest goes to the system to forge bigger chains, stronger cages and more convincing lies.

This is obvious and indisputable, the same as conflicting shadows in videos that are supposed to represent the same time and place. That is the value of Cluesforum, the evidence of the lies on display here are unequivocal, one only needs a pair of functional eyes (in fact, there is enough audio evidence hear to convince the blind, as well).

The race thing is far less clear and I question the cost to benefit ratio. For example, John friend has a video of an interview with someone that was working across the street from the site of the San Bernardino hoax who states she heard no shots, which casts a lot of doubt on the official story. A curious newcomer may be compelled to visit Friend's site where they will find links to Stormfront, videos of Friend at a 9/11 memorial gathering with a megaphone blaring on about the Jews, as well as some well documented research. Will they be more likely to take the time to look at the research or abandon the site altogether? Perhaps they will look at both and be convinced of the fakery and the race issue, then what? Convince everyone they know that everything will be better if different (better, let's face it) races are in charge of the same methods of confiscation and control?

People are well conditioned to resist the obvious, cognitive dissonance is deeply rooted though lifetimes of repetition. It seems a bridge too far to add another layer of complication to the equation. I am not challenging the veracity of your research, anyone that has spent any time at all looking at their environment knows that the level of influence wielded by those with particular names and dietary requirements in relation to the size of their demographic is exponentially out of proportion to say the least. I prefer to disable the flamethrower than just give to someone else and hope for the best.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby smj on December 21st, 2015, 5:07 pm

I was gonna start a thread on the fakeologist forum; but it seems my ipad doesn't want to cooperate. So I reckon I'll come over here and make this my farewell post to the "pretty homogeneous western intellectual elite of educated people with common moral values" collective known as cluesforum instead.


Courageous cosmotheistic racial souls

......

Over on our brave future solver of the solar system's site there's a thread on the "Jewish question". It was started by another courageous European that goes by the handle jumpy64. But don't take my word for it; he'll tell us how courageous he is himself. Here he's addressing another brave soul who figured out that the Smithsonian is full of shit:

"Now I understand why I thought you were a man. I think that, in addition to your value as a brilliant researcher, you have more balls than anybody else in this forum. For what I've seen here so far, the only ones who can be in your league are Simon most of all and a few others, possibly including myself (I know I shouldn't say this, but I see no reason to hide my self-esteem behind false modesty, which I consider another form of the "political correctness" that's killing us)."

So seeing as jumpy the ballzy is no fan of the fucking Jews; he used the brave future solver of the solar system's forum to pay "tribute to a most inspiring and courageous author who spoke out on the 'Jewish question': Dr. William Luther Pierce (1933-2002), the founder and leader of the National Alliance, a major White nationalist organization in the US."

It seems jumpy wants whites to take more pride in their whiteness or whatnot; in order to assuage the guilt that the fucking Jews make them feel:

"I think we, as whites, should take pride (even if you don't want to say it) in our accomplishments (which other races evidently admire, or envy, otherwise, as you point out, they wouldn't want to come in our countries), and even in our tolerance, but we should also make sure that this tolerance is not taken advantage of any more than it's already been."

Jumpy admires cojones of course; so he took great pride in discovering that his pale brother in (make believe) arms had the cojones to write some really crazy shit. so let's just take a look at the accomplishments of the heroic Dr. pierce.

Pierce was born on 9/11/33 and got his Phd in physics at colorado-boulder. those crazy fucking cosmologists, the gamovs, hustled in boulder of course...

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2395438

He then taught physics at Oregon state. linus pauling hustled at osu as well; he was the famous crystal scryer that brought the psi symbol to molecular valence bond theory...

http://alpha.chem.umb.edu/chemistry/ch6 ... Theory.pdf

...they gave linus the hustlers' academy award for his computational wave function bullpsience. he got another nobel for saving us from the nukes, so we could all be one world or none of course:

"One person, Linus Pauling, has won two undivided Nobel Prizes. In 1954 he won the Prize for Chemistry. Eight years later he was awarded the Peace Prize for his opposition to weapons of mass destruction.

The atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a turning point in Pauling's life. Together with other scientists he spoke and wrote against the nuclear arms race, and he was a driving force in the Pugwash movement. It sought to reduce the role of nuclear arms in international politics and was awarded the Peace Prize in 1995.

In 1959, Linus Pauling drafted the famous "Hiroshima Appeal", the concluding document issued after the Fifth World Conference against Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs. He was one of the prime movers who urged the nuclear powers the USA, the Soviet Union and Great Britain to conclude a nuclear test ban treaty, which entered into force on 10 October 1963. On the same day, the Norwegian Nobel Committee announced that Linus Pauling had won the Peace Prize that had been held over from 1962."
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/ ... facts.html
http://mailstar.net/one-world-or-none.html

...pierce, gamov, and linus were all highly accomplished white boys so jumpy the ballzy must be proud of course.

After his very brief career in academy jumpy's hero hung out with another proud white boy, george lincoln rockwell. rockwell was the son of the vaudeville performer doc rockwell of course:

"Both parents were vaudeville comedians and actors; and his father's acquaintances included Fred Allen, Benny Goodman, Walter Winchell, Jack Benny, and Groucho Marx."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell

The narrative tells us that rockwell started the american nazi party and was assassinated so pierce started his own group, the national alliance...

https://natall.com

...he then had to acquire a compound to start his cosmotheist community church to give white folk a reason "to love themselves" of course:

"We know it because deep inside all of us, in our race-soul, there is a source of divine wisdom, of ages-old wisdom, of wisdom as old as the universe. That is the wisdom, the truth, which we in the National Alliance want to make the basis of our national policy. It is a truth of which most of us have been largely unconscious all our lives, but which now we have the opportunity to understand clearly and precisely."

...more on this cosmological bullpsience later; first let's review how jumpy's hero helped drive the oklahoma city "bombing" narrative.

The narrative tells us that pierce, the physicist and cosmological preacher, wrote a couple of genocidal screeds. we're told tim mcveigh passed out copies of the turner diaries at gunshows back in the amorphous day; and that a copy of the turner diaries was found on timmy when he was miraculously pulled over for a traffic violation shortly after the "bombing":

"The Turner Diaries influenced several activists. The two most important were former National Alliance member Robert Mathews, and non-racialist Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.

Mathews and his group The Order, named after an elite cadre within the novel, in 1984 conducted a robbery spree in the Pacific Northwest netting roughly $4 million. It also murdered two people: a white man, Walter West, whose name is almost never mentioned in accounts of the group, and a Jewish radio talk show host whose name is always mentioned. The Feds burned Mathews to death during a fiery shootout in Washington state.

Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was also apparently a big fan of the novel, which he’d formerly sold at gun shows and given to friends. According to Pierce, McVeigh’s bomb was not modeled after the bomb in the novel. McVeigh’s was far more sophisticated and operated by a different trigger mechanism. The bomb in the novel was an ammonium nitrate fertilizer and fuel oil bomb, while McVeigh’s was an ammonium nitrate fertilizer and nitromethane bomb. Nitromethane is a powerful liquid explosive used as a rocket and racing fuel. It is unstable like nitroglycerine, but less sensitive.

Of the Oklahoma City bombing drill, Pierce said:
"I feel as sorry as anyone else if a little white kid gets killed in one of these things. For that matter, I feel bad if a white kid gets killed in an automobile accident. But I don’t advocate that we ban automobiles because people get killed in them, including innocent people who might have grown up to be great scientists or poets. In the same way, I am not in favor of calling off a war because some border incidents or battles take innocent lives. Actually, the sooner the war to save our people takes place the better, because even more innocent lives will be lost if we wait. The sooner such a war, the cleaner it will be. It’s going to be a mess later on. (Robert S. Griffin, The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds: An Up-Close Portrait of White Nationalist William Pierce, 2001, p. 172)"
http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/07 ... nd-hunter/

Jumpy's hero fantasized about a revolution that finally put the down-trodden white man back in charge:

"The result of the Revolution is not the creation of a tiny white ethnostate, nor even reconquest of the United States and Europe, but total global victory. (Recall the title of George Lincoln Rockwell’s 1963 autobiography This Time the World.) A white government seizes control of the entire planet on the 110th anniversary of the “Great One’s” birthday—April 20, 1999."

...pierce's courageous "racial soul" also gave to the narrative 'hunter', a heart-warming tale of the discriminate slaughter of niggers, fucking jews and their miscegenetic enablers. hunter was dedicated to another narrative device provocateur who had three names of course...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Paul_Franklin

...we're also told a copy of hunter was found on mcveigh's accomplice's property as well. here's a sample of jumpy's cosmotheistic hero's illuminous prose:

"An instant calm fell over Oscar, the expected calm for which he had been waiting. With a smooth motion, neither too hurried nor too slow but precise and deliberate, he lifted the rifle from beneath the blanket on the seat beside him, raised it to his shoulder, and, left elbow braced against the door, carefully squeezed off two shots.
The ear-shattering reports echoed through the huge lot, but Oscar remained calm as he put the rifle down, restarted his engine, and accelerated smoothly toward the exit ramp. As he turned at the end of the lane, he paused to glance back toward the van. The mulatto’s body was sprawled out into the roadway; the woman apparently had fallen backward, beside the van, and was not visible. Both shots had been head shots, and Oscar was quite certain both the man and the woman were dead. He had seen their skulls literally explode into showers of bone fragments, brain tissue, and blood as the high- velocity projectiles struck them.
The icy calm stayed with Oscar all the way home. Not until he had put the car in the garage, entered the house, and taken off his coat did it give way to the euphoria he always felt afterwards. He whistled contentedly to himself as he gave his rifle a quick cleaning and then returned to the garage to change his license plates. It took him only two minutes to remove the special plates and replace them with his regular ones.
He carefully checked the adhesive-backed plastic letters and numerals which he had pressed onto the flattened plates. He had been worried about the adhesive not holding the thick plastic pieces to the metal, especially in this cold weather. He pried gently at the edge of a letter with the blade of his pocket knife. The adhesive resisted, then gradually yielded, so that he was able to work the blade between the plastic and the metal and, with a few seconds of effort, peel the entire letter loose. That was reassuring, but he was still mindful of the time, a few days ago, when he had arrived at home and found a number missing from the plate altogether! After that he had done some experimenting with different adhesives. It took him nearly 20 minutes to peel loose all of the plastic pieces and rearrange them into a new pattern this time, but he did not begrudge the extra effort required.
How fortunate, he thought, as he turned out the garage light, that his automobile was such a common model. There must be 10,000 tan Ford sedans practically indistinguishable from his in the Washington metropolitan area. Still, he was pressing his luck to keep using the same modus operandi. Six times in a little over three weeks— 22 days to be exact— with the same car, the same rifle, the same routine, just different parking lots and different license numbers, was really too much, he thought to himself.
But more than two weeks ago he had made up his mind that he would not vary his style until the news media broke their silence on the killings. There had been a big news splash after the first double shooting, three weeks ago. “Interracial couple gunned down in parking lot,” the Washington Post headline had screamed, and the other media also had stressed the fact that the two victims were a Black male and a White female, even though the newsmen had no way of knowing then that the gunman had a racial motive. The naughtiness of the notion that he might have apparently was too titillating for them to resist.
When the second double killing came four days later, it had been mentioned briefly on the inside pages of the Post and then quietly dropped. The third, fourth, and fifth pairs of shootings had been greeted with total media silence. The reason was clear: at some time between the second and third shootings it had dawned on the media people that the killings were racially motivated, and the realization frightened them. They didn’t want to encourage any would-be imitators, or even give hope to a great many Americans who would cheer anyone who might be going around picking off racially mixed couples."
https://theendofzion.com/wp-content/upl ... hunter.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_(Pierce_novel)

......

Now for the cosmotheistical bullpsience. the symbol for the national alliance is the good ole völkish life rune; which coincidentally of course is the same as the ancient psi symbol...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_(letter)

...which was coincidentally inverted and put in a circle for pauling's anti-nuke movement. your average gullible ape calls it the peace symbol of course...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kr41MviPXpg

...and by gullible ape i mean anyone that believes they descended from apes because some fucking hustler from cambridge told them so. so i reckon (assuming that pierce wasn't an operative- which is exactly what he was) that pierce is a courageous, gullible, and proud white ape:

"Pierce described his form of panentheism as being based on “[t]he idea of an evolutionary universe … with an evolution toward ever higher and higher states of self-consciousness,” and his political ideas were centered on racial purity and eugenics as the means of advancing the white race first towards a superhuman state, and then towards godhood. In his view, the white race represented the pinnacle of human evolution thus far and therefore should be kept genetically separate from all other races in order to achieve its destined perfection in godhood."
http://renegadetribune.com/cosmotheism- ... am-pierce/

...oops, I meant courageous, gullible, and proud white space-ape:

"Cosmotheism is a scientific White racialist spirituality based religion, a convergence of meditation, White separatist ideologies, cosmic consciousness, evolutionary theory, neo-eugenics, human genetic engineering, visions of galactic colonization and transhuman/post-human thought. Because Cosmotheism embraces White racial internationalist goals & European racial separatist philosophies, it's a religion that closely parallels Ben Klassen's religion, 'The Church of the Creator', in that based on the strict ethno criteria for membership, only racially and eugenically conscious Whites, Europeans or Caucasian stock may join. Therefore, it's not enough to be of White racial stock alone to be a member, but one must also have transhumanistic, post-humanistic and neo-eugenic White racial consciousness and belief systems of the 21st century as a starting point, and thus embrace the idea that White people must separate from non-Whites and then consciously direct their own genetic evolution upward toward the highest states of consciousness and being, and using all science to achieve this vision whether using using post human technologies, biotechnology, medicine and quantum physics. The goal is to become a completely separate post-human species to then first colonize our solarsystem with space stations as a jumping point, and then seek out other Earth like planets in the galaxy, while also terraforming almost-earth-like-planets across the milkyway galaxy. The vision of cosmotheism seeks to create a White genetic rainbow expanding across the cosmic fermentation at sub light speed, until eventually the whole universe is colonized with post human europeans who will each continue to their upward evolutionary path to Godhood.
Dr. William Luther Pierce the prescient founder of the National Alliance created the futurist religion Cosmotheism to teach the European peoples of the world, the true reason for their existence and give them a higher purpose, which is upward evolution and specialization toward Galactic Neo-Sapients."
https://archive.org/details/Cosmotheism ... therPierce

...funny thing is this fucking jew had the exact same religion; which makes sense to me because every fucking jew i've ever met looked white to my untrained eye...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Nessyahu

"Further, there are more similarities between Cosmotheism and the Judeo-Christian tradition than the simple fact that both are monotheist. Pierce’s Cosmotheism speaks of a specific race charged with a special mission vis-à-vis God. What can this remind us of except God’s covenant with the Israelites, the Chosen People? In fact, certain forms of Jewish Kabbalism actually claim that it is the task of the Jewish people to “complete” God’s creation through the observance of the Law. In recent times the Israeli writer Mordekhay Nesiyahu formulated a kind of secularized version of this doctrine, which he actually termed “Cosmotheism”! (I have no idea if William Pierce knew about this, but if he did I’m sure he must have found it disturbing.)
In sum, Pierce’s theory is very much in the Judeo-Christian spirit. It is monotheist. It sees a particular people as (in effect) entering into a special covenant with God and playing a role of cosmic importance. It has a linear conception of time: it raises the history of scientific progress up into the dimension of the sacred. It even promises a kind of immortality to the members of the race who accept this mission and take part. If we find the Judeo-Christian tradition problematic, then we must find theories like Cosmotheism problematic as well."
http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/07/cosmotheism/

But whatever I'm bored; if jumpy the ballzy ain't an operative he ought to be able to see thru this psientific cosmological bullshit. if he can't, perhaps his sacred cow is in the way.

Maybe jumpy should move his proud white European ass to Texas because I ain't seen no white guilt in the lone star state. but beware brave jumpy, don't be running around praising some operative who fantasized about slaughtering interracial couples; you never know, you could run into a pale ass half-breed like myself and you'd find out damned quick who was made from the better stuff...

...so, so long y'all and fuck the Jews of course.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby simonshack on December 21st, 2015, 10:03 pm

This thread has been temporarily locked by fellow admin Critical Mass - a decision I agree with, in order to give us all some time to ponder a bit about where it is going. Thoughts and tips by all and sundry are welcome in the Chatbox. For now, let's all relax and enjoy our - uh - 'white' xmas. :P
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby jumpy64 on December 22nd, 2015, 5:09 pm

I’m not sure many people here were holding their breath waiting for my comment on what happened to the “Open Conspiracy” thread, but I couldn’t find the time to write something earlier. Maybe it’s been better this way, so I had some time to simmer down and to see things more in perspective.

So first of all, I want to say that I’m sorry if my thread, especially in its last pages, has hurt some people’s feeling, but I’ve pushed the “race issue” (too much, apparently) not because I’ve always been a “racist bastard” as some of you who don’t know me personally may think, but because I’ve discovered that the conspiracy I’ve tried to unveil is first and foremost racially based.

As I’ve said maybe a few times :P , it’s carried out by a hostile ethnic group against the white European race in particular. They are the true racists, not me. The ultimate aim of their “multicultural” plan is the genocidal elimination of the white race. I have much less doubts about this than when I started the thread. Actually, I have no doubts at all by now. In fact, “multiculturalism”, among other things, is enforced only on the white European race. “Europe is too white”, Jewsters like Barbara Spectre say, but they don’t say that “Africa is too black, or China or Japan are too yellow, so let’s bring more white people there”. Of course they can’t say openly “Let’s get rid of this particularly vicious breed of Goyim who repeatedly dared to oppose our world domination plans in the past”. Not yet, at least, but they may be getting there soon, also considering the lack of resistance on the "victims" part, I'm afraid.

Therefore in addition to uncovering, with the precious help of some members that I’d like to thank – namely Apache, Seneca (although I ruffled his feathers in the end, and I’m sorry for that too), ICfreely, Pov603 and Flabbergasted in particular – some facts that I found pretty damning, I’ve also tried to find if some, however partial and tentative, solutions to the problem could be found. And I have actually found some on a personal level – which have been expounded in the second part of my aborted three-part series on “What to do” – and then I thought, too naively or presumptuously perhaps, that the first thing to do, on a collective level, was raising the race consciousness of white people, not necessarily because they’re the best (although I think our civilization and its fruits, especially before the progressively more relentless parasitical infestation of the last century, speak for themselves), but mainly because they were the ones particularly under attack.

Probably I did it in the wrong way in the end, but not for lack of trying. For sure, one that turned out to be a fatal mistake was quoting, no matter how in passing, William Luther Pierce’s fictional works without having read them until the end. I had read half of “The Turner Diaries”, and knowing what Pierce said about every race having the right to their own territory, I could have never imagined his novel would come to such an absurdly destructive ending as it actually did. In fact, I even doubted Critical Mass’ word when he told me how it ended, and I have later apologized with him for that. I have also distanced myself from that book (although not from most of the rest of Pierce's work, which I still find enlightening) in no unclear terms.

But evidently it wasn’t enough, because in the thread’s last post before it was locked, smj mocked, attacked and even threatened me mostly for what Pierce had written in his novels. Being a self-defined “pale ass half-breed”, I can understand that he was pretty furious with someone who, in his imaginative writing at least, had declared himself willing to exterminate mixed-race people like him.

So smj, you’re free to keep your hard feelings towards me if you want, but please know that I have none towards you. I even hope that if we will ever meet in Texas (which is not totally impossible, since my girlfriend is from there) it will be over a steak and a glass of wine (or beer, if you prefer) and not in a punching fight. And most importantly, I hope you will reconsider your decision to leave Cluesforum because of me. It’s always the best site in the world wide web for “exposing media fakery”, and even if you didn’t like my thread, there are so many interesting others to choose from.

Having said that, I think blocking a successful thread (at least in terms of its 39.000 views and 448 replies) after such an offensive and threatening post (even though, as I said, I don’t really resent it), without even giving me the opportunity to answer it in a civil manner, as I think I’m doing now, is unfair.

Therefore I ask the administrators to consider the possibility of adding at least this post to the locked thread. I would appreciate it as a sign of respect for my maybe misguided and unsuccessful but sincere and well intentioned efforts in creating something of value for this forum.

Because even if this thread will be unlocked sooner or later, my attitude towards it, if and when I will feel like contributing to it again, will be different. I consider my experiment of trying to raise the “white consciousness” of this forum’s members a failure, and I won’t resume it. If anything, I will post only other researches I’ve already done lately on subjects like “white slave trade”, “big pharma” and others, always from the perspective of a Jewish involvement in them, of course. And also other members will be able, if so inclined, to add valuable posts like the one Simon personally promised me about the “Jewish side” of 9/11. I, for one, really look forward to it.

Anyway, whatever you will decide, I take this opportunity to join Simon in wishing you and all Cluesforum members (and readers) a “White” Christmas. ;)
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Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspiracy

Postby simonshack on December 28th, 2015, 11:58 pm

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I am unlocking this topic with the following thoughts and hopes trotting in my mind :

Firstly, to keep this thread locked just because it deals with a 'sensitive, highly controversial' subject is simply not an option. After all, this is Cluesforum - a place to discuss precisely such 'touchy' things. To be sure, this "Open Conspiracy Hiding in Plain Sight" or, to put it bluntly - "The 'Hidden' Jewish Role in Fucking Up this World" is simply too dire of an issue for any honest person to ignore or put on the back burner.

Of course, we're not talking about ALL the Jews in the world here (oh how very tiresome to have to specify this, time and again !...) - but only about the nastiest ones which I like to call the "JPM" (Jewish Power Maniacs). These self-anointed 'chosen people' (or, as some have it, the "Master Race" of this planet) have an ugly plan - let's henceforth call it the "CK-plan" - and you ALL ought to know about it : I urge anyone who've never heard of the Coudenhove-Kalergi Prize (which gets handed out on a yearly basis to our "World Leaders") to do so now :


THE COUDENHOVE-KALERGI "plan" viewtopic.php?p=2397490#p2397490 (Please DO read it!)


Hoping you have taken the time to read about the "CK plan", I trust you will more easily understand and appreciate my following opinions & concerns regarding this pesky subject-matter (and my heartfelt wishes as to how to 'deal with it' on this forum). But first, I may have to make very clear my personal views on being 'white' - which I am by birth, i.e. not because I have chosen so. I don't give a flying freckle about being white - nor do I think that whites have been among the 'nicer or better' folks throughout the ages. I simply don't feel like being part of any 'Big White Family' at all - or of any other 'Big Family' of any sort, for that matter. On the other hand, what I DO care about in this world (socially speaking), is to keep doing what I have oft been fortunate enough to do - that is, to meet / enjoy / befriend (and learn from) the widest possible range of people roaming this wonderfully diverse (and hence, exciting) planet of ours - the VAST MAJORITY of whom were good folks who've enriched my life. That's right - to me, diversity is true gold. Kill diversity - and you have the dullest planet imaginable. In fact - and make no mistake - the "CK plan" is not about 'genociding the white race' - it's about killing diversity (i.e. wiping out ALL existing 'colors' ... but one) and turn humanity into a grey, monolithic broth of 'human cattle' - more easily 'herdable' by the powers that be.

Two quotes from Coudenhove-Kalergi's insane "PRACTICAL IDEALISM" pamphlet :
"Here, too, proves the rule: the more mixed a people, the more dissimilar their representatives are to each other, the more impossible it is to construct unit types."
Get that: "construct unit types". :puke:

"The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, outwardly similar to the ancient Egyptian, will replace the diversity of peoples with a variety of personalities."
"A variety of personalities?" Yeah, rrright. :angry:

At the end of the day, what we are dealing with here are mentally deranged folks in parasitic positions of power whose sick, demented plans need to be curtailed - asap and at all costs. It is not so much (or even not at all) about 'racial superiority or inferiority' - as it is about the mental (in)sanity of a bunch of 'fucking idiots' - as Critical Mass most aptly described them in this post of his yesterday.

That's it for now, folks - here's hoping this thread may start focusing on possible solutions to the problem at hand.
Will Cluesforum stop the JPM's from messing with this pretty world of ours? Doubtful. But we can at least give it a try !
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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Postby Flabbergasted on December 30th, 2015, 5:08 pm

sharpstuff wrote:Who do you think you are? ...Who are you to tell me?

I take that as a rhetorical question, meaning "surely nobody can teach me anything".
Who am I to try?

sharpstuff wrote:Nearly 400 views and only two replies? And these in the negative?

Hmmm ... strange, isn´t it? :unsure:
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby jumpy64 on December 30th, 2015, 8:30 pm

Dear Simon,

I’m glad you unlocked this thread for the good reasons you’ve specified. And I agree with you that we should focus on possible solutions to the problem at hand. Actually, that’s what interests me the most and what I’ve been trying to do at least since my first post on “What to do” a month ago on p. 23 of this thread, closely followed by a second on the same page, while a third is still in the making.

On the whole, I’ve received more explicit criticism than explicit support. I’m not complaining, I’m just stating a fact. I accept criticism, but I think that, to be really useful, it should be followed by alternative solutions or at least alternative perspectives on how to face the problem, and I don’t remember reading any such things from anybody here. Including you, Simon, I’m afraid.

Well, at least you’ve asked the right questions, not only here but also in a previous post on page 26, when you wrote:

Let’s keep this tread on track, guys. Its title is: “Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspiracy, and it’s about the JPMs wishing to control our world (and about folks not realizing this fact). Can this be denied – yes or no?


Only ICfreely and myself answered directly to your question, both with a resounding "NO!"

It seems to me that now you’ve answered your original question yourself by saying that "’The 'Hidden' Jewish Role in Fucking Up this World’ is simply too dire of an issue for any honest person to ignore or put on the back burner”, and by directing once again our attention to the infamous “CK Plan” you had already uncovered for us in another thread.

Now you’re asking CF members to try and focus on possible solutions, and I hope that someone, possibly after the pleasant “distractions” of the holiday season, will answer this request. But maybe, since you seem to appreciate the problem, you could try and provide at least a tentative answer yourself. Hopefully it will inspire more people than the answers I’ve tried to give.

It will certainly inspire me, at least.

Thank you and happy new year to you and to all members and readers of this forum.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby jumpy64 on January 8th, 2016, 6:51 pm

Recently I’ve had an interesting exchange of private messages with another member of this forum, Seneca. It was about the “racial issues” that led to the locking of this thread.

I don’t mean to rekindle the fire in any way, but I’ve decided to post parts of this private exchange also because Seneca himself encouraged me to explain my point of view better, in case it’s been misunderstood, and because he gave me permission to quote him publicly. I would have done this earlier, but I couldn’t for personal reasons. Anyway, this thread hasn’t progressed lately, so we are still at the same point we were when Seneca and I exchanged our PMs a few days ago.

jumpy64 wrote:
Seneca wrote:I agree with you that it is wrong to deny that races exist. I agree people should be free to discriminate. But I think there are much more useful groups to discriminate than races, and that except for the Jewish race, looking at a person’s race is probably not useful. But maybe you have some facts to back up your claims such as: “We can freely acknowledge that there are some good blacks, Muslims, and Jews. There just aren’t enough of them for our tastes”.

By the way you quoted this you made clear you agreed with it. But I still can't understand how you can come to this conclusion. Except for the part about Jews. Maybe it is because you use other definitions than me?

Earlier you wrote: “In fact I'm actually including in my ‘white people’ definition all really integrated and civil people of any race, color and creed”.

If you count all good blacks, Muslims and Jews as "white" and not as black, Muslim, Jewish... the quote is obviously true ; but this is not what Greg Johnson is saying.


You're right, Johnson was saying something more radical, and I thought it could have been a useful "provocation", if you will. But what I really think was expressed by my inclusive definition of all really integrated, civil people of any race, color and creed.

But to make sure that these people are really integrated, I think there should be severe politics to punish and even repatriate people who don't respect our rules and values, as anybody with some pride and common sense would do with someone who, after being accepted as a guest in their house, disrespected it. […]

I think that "multiculturalism" and the invasion of Europe under the guise of "humanitarian crises" (and we know better than anybody else how fake or at least manipulated these "crises" are) should be stopped ASAP. Actually, these things have already gone too far. We are letting JPMs "suicide" us.

To tell you the truth, I don't think we can really have racially homogeneous societies anymore, and this is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as, as I said before, people who want to come in our societies do that with the real intention of integrating in them. If they do, they could even enrich them, and we have demonstrated more than enough opennes to accept them as our own. But if they come to attack and destroy us, they should be treated as enemies, not naively welcomed as "poor refugees". I can accept and even welcome you in my house if you ask for hospitality and you're grateful with me for granting it to you. Otherwise, if you don't like my house or how it's run, you should go back to yours and run that as you like, not mine.

To do this, we need first of all to regain our moral strenght by refusing to feel guilty for all the evils of the world, as Jews go out of their way to make us feel with their propaganda. In my posts I have underscored the best qualities of the white race to counteract this nefarious propaganda, but if not superior we should at least feel not inferior to any other race, and fight for our right to have homelands in which our values and our rules are to be respected by outsiders. And anybody can become part of of our societies if they do respect them, of course.

And if we want to fight also for the rights of other ethnic or cultural groups, as we have demonstrated to be able to do even against our best interests sometimes, I think we should do it by helping oppressed people in their own countries.

But of course, before doing that, we must first free ourselves from the lethal influence of the ethnic group that's oppressing us in our own countries.


To this, Seneca replied in another PM:

jumpy64 wrote:
Seneca wrote:OK I am glad you cleared this up. I don't think many people understood that you used this as a provocation. I really had to look for that definition because I really wanted to inderstand what you meant. But others won't bother and I can't blame them.

As I said, the way you introduced the quote and put it in bold could only be interpreted as your complete agreement with it so maybe you would want that cleared up on the forum.

If you wanted to provoke people you have definately succeeded but I don't see what good you expected out of it. I agree that smj overreacted.

I agree with your solutions, and especially with your first step (free ourself from the lethal influence of the ethnic group that's oppressing us in our own countries). And I am very grateful for what you already accomplished on this forum.


Thank you, Seneca, but it still seems to me that, although a lot of people keep reading the thread (even while it was blocked), most members are still somewhat afraid to speak out on its subject. I probably scared them even more with my unsuccessful and evidently misguided "provocation", aimed at stimulating some pride in white people, but as I promised I won't do that again. I'm not interested in fighting with other members. I just want to find effective forms of collaboration, if possible.


I hope I’ve actually managed to explain myself better with this, thanks to Seneca’s input. But now, to go forward a little bit, I’d like to add something.

I realize that most Western people – myself included, at least to a certain extent – like to play what I would define the “individualistic game”.

This means that we try to overcome our prejudices and to judge individual people based on their personal merits, and not according to the race or group they belong to.

I agree that this is the best and most moral thing to do. It’s the highest kind of “game” human beings can play together, no doubt about that.

But it is also a delicate game, that is easily disrupted if somebody just pretends to play it, while actually following other, less advanced values, like the affiliation to a particular group or race.

This is what I think is being done in the West primarily by Jews, whose culture places a much higher value on the affiliation to their group than to individual qualities of people belonging to other groups. What I see happening then is that Jews in particular exploit Western people’s willingness to play the individual game and encourage it, while they just pretend to play it themselves and, in reality, keep favoring members of their own group. This way the game is irreparably rigged, and that I think explains how a minuscule group can be so disproportionately represented in positions of power.

So I wonder: why on earth should we let them continue to play the “individualistic game” in such a fraudulent way at our expenses?

Why should we be forced to continue to play as individuals while surrounded by groups of people who organize themselves as teams? Especially the Jews, of course, but also other groups like Blacks, Muslims or Chinese play as teams at least sometimes.

So why can’t we have our own team and play on the same level as others when necessary? That’s all I ask.

A possible answer came in 2012 from Rabbi Baruch Efrati, who said to Ynetnews.com at http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 73,00.html:

"Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there," the rabbi explained as the ethical reason for favoring Muslims, quoting shocking descriptions from the Rishonim literature (written by leading rabbis who lived during the 11th to 15th centuries) about pogroms and mass murders committed by Christians against Jews.

"We will never forgive Europe's Christians for slaughtering millions of our children, women and elderly… Not just in the recent Holocaust, but throughout the generations, in a consistent manner which characterizes all factions of hypocritical Christianity…

And now Europe is losing its identity in favor of another people and another religion, and there will be no remnants and survivors from the impurity of Christianity, which shed a lot of blood it won't be able to atone for."


Do we agree with this explanation?

It seems to me that most western people do, consciously or not.

Personally, I don’t, and I don’t care if someone calls me a “racist” or a "white supremacist" for this.
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby Apache on January 9th, 2016, 10:31 am

I apologise for interrupting your post Jumpy, which I do not intend to derail. I hope you don't mind my now posting the following research about Amitai Etzioni, the promoter and Guru of the "Third Way" doctrine known as communitarianism. I also apologise for its length, but there was no way to edit it down any further than I did.

The philosophy of communitarianism can be found in the UN's Agenda 21 "sustainable development" policies. The link between Agenda 21, communitarianism and Amitai Etzioni was first put forward by Niki Raapana (nikiraapana.blogspot.co.uk) in 2003, but the following is my own research into the subject, with a few quotes from her later on.

Rather than copy and paste too much text from the usual bio from Wiki I'll simply give the link and then post edited details:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amitai_Etzioni

Basic details are he was born in Germany but grew up in Palestine in the late 1930s on a kibbutz because his parents had to flee the Nazis. He changes his first name from Werner to Amitai (due to Hebrew school) and then his last name from Falk to Etzioni when he joins the illegal underground group the Palmach, the elite commando force of the Haganah. He dropped out of high school to do so. He fought against the British and the Arabs, blah blah. Apparently his name translates to 'truth tree of zion' or some such twaddle.

Following the war, Etzioni spent a year studying at an institute established by Martin Buber. In 1951 he enrolled in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem where he completed both BA (1954) and MA (1956) degrees for his studies in classical and contemporary works in sociology. In 1957 he went to the United States to study at the University of California, Berkeley, and was a research assistant to Seymour Martin Lipset. He received his PhD in sociology in 1958, completing the degree in the record time of 18 months.[4] Etzioni then remained in the United States to pursue an academic career.


Etzioni's PhD thesis is called "The organizational structure of the kibbutz". http://www.worldcat.org/title/organizat ... c/21736549

To obtain a modern day PhD in Sociology, at Harvard University, it takes at least 5 years.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber

In 1946 he published his work Paths in Utopia,[21] in which he detailed his communitarian socialist views and his theory of the "dialogical community" founded upon interpersonal "dialogical relationships".

Buber was a scholar, interpreter, and translator of Hasidic lore. He viewed Hasidism as a source of cultural renewal for Judaism, frequently citing examples from the Hasidic tradition that emphasized community, interpersonal life, and meaning in common activities (e.g., a worker's relation to his tools).

Buber's interpretation of the Hasidic tradition, however, has been criticized by scholars such as Chaim Potok for its romanticization. In the introduction to Buber's Tales of the Hasidim, Potok notes that Buber overlooked Hasidism's "charlatanism, obscurantism, internecine quarrels, its heavy freight of folk superstition and pietistic excesses, its tzadik worship, its vulgarized and attenuated reading of Lurianic Kabbalah." Even more severe is the criticism that Buber deemphasized the importance of the Jewish Law in Hasidism.


According to Etzioni's book, My Brother's Keeper, Buber offered full room and board and free tuition to Etzioni, with no high school diploma required, which was lucky for Etzioni as he didn't have one. Etzioni also confirms in his book that it was Buber who introduced him to communitarian philosophy.

More evidence that kibbutzism is communitarianism:

http://www.tikkun.org/fmd/files/Nieli_f ... or_Web.pdf

Brith Shalom members were often enthusiastic supporters of the communal values of the Kibbutz movement and other forms of communitarian socialism


http://www.jpost.com/printarticle.aspx?id=131746

JP: What is an example, then, of a community that actually fits your definition?
Etzioni: That's easy: the kibbutzim.


So, Etzioni grew up on a kibbutz, which is a form of communitarian socialism, wrote his Phd thesis on the kibbutz communitarian system and then spent the rest of his life promoting communitarianism in the USA.

There can be no doubt that modern communitarian socialism is a wholly Jewish philosophy promoted almost exclusively by Amitai Etzioni who has written hundreds of articles in the media on US foreign policy, US security, the Israel/Palestine conflict and every other topic he can poke his nose into. He has been so busy since the 1950s that I doubt he ever had the time to actually teach sociology at the University of Columbia.

As noted Etzioni was also a research assistant under Seymour Lipset in the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Martin_Lipset

Lipset was a strong supporter of the state of Israel, and was President of the American Professors for Peace in the Middle East, chair of the National B'nai B'rith Hillel Commission and the Faculty Advisory Cabinet of the United Jewish Appeal, and co-chair of the Executive Committee of the International Center for Peace in the Middle East. He worked for years on seeking solution for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict[10] as part of his larger project of research on the factors that allow societies to sustain stable and peaceful democracies.


Here's a run down of some of the more interesting past associations of Mr Etzioni:

Member of: The American Jewish Congress; Council on Foreign Relations; The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations.

Guest scholar: Brookings Institute.

Consultant to: United States Office of Education; Office of Economic Opportunity; National Foundation on the Arts and the Humanities; Arms Control Disarmament Agency; President's Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence; Commission on Education for Health Administration; National Center for Health Services Research and Development (Health Care Technology Division); Urban Affairs, Canadian Government; National Institute of Mental Health, Alcohol, Drug Abuse, and Mental Health Administration (ADAMHA); General Services Administration (GAO).

Some of the more interesting names who reviewed or endorsed one of Etzioni's books, From Empire to Community:

Lee H. Hamilton, Vice Chair of the 9-11 Commission
Rabbi Professor Jonathan Sacks, Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Leon Fuerth, former National Security Advisor to Vice President Al Gore

Leon writes:
This book is not about dogma: it is about the hopeful possibility that an evolving and expanding sense of common need among peoples and nations can with luck and vision, bring about a knitting together of a form of global governance that would permit humankind to address its most urgent issues more effectively: with less sovereign authority for national states as we have known them, but greater freedom, combined with enhanced responsibility for people as individuals and as communities.


Of the list of Etzioni's past speaking engagements the one that really stood out was:

Thursday, August 23, 2007 @ 10:00AM, The RAND Corporation, Center on Global Risk and Security, 1776 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90401. Amitai Etzioni will speak about Security First foreign policy.

Amitai Etzoni is now 86 years old but he's been hiding in plain sight since he created the Institute for Communitarian Policy Studies at George Washington University in 1980, where he has been busily pushing and promoting his ideas into the political, educational and environmental arena ever since. Has the communitarian message had any success? Yes, according to Wiki.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

The philosophy of communitarianism originated in the 20th century, but the term “communitarian” was coined in 1841, by John Goodwyn Barmby, a leader of the British Chartist movement, who used it in referring to utopian socialists, and other idealists, who experimented with communal styles of life. However, it was not until the 1980s that the term “communitarianism” gained currency through association with the work of a small group of political philosophers, mostly American. Their application of the label “communitarian” was controversial, even among communitarians, because, in the West, the term “communitarian” evokes associations with the ideologies of socialism and collectivism; so, public leaders—and some of the academics who champion this school of thought—usually avoid the term “communitarian”, while still advocating and advancing the ideas of communitarianism.

Although communitarianism is a small philosophical school, it has had considerable influence on public dialogues and politics. There are strong similarities between communitarian thinking and the Third Way, the political thinking of centrist Democrats in the United States, and the Neue Mitte in Germany. Communitarianism played a key role in Tony Blair’s remaking of the British socialist Labour Party into “New Labour” and a smaller role in President Bill Clinton’s campaigns. Other politicians have echoed key communitarian themes, such as Hillary Clinton, who has long held that to raise a child takes not just parents, family, friends and neighbors, but a whole village.[12]

President Barack Obama gave voice to communitarian ideas and ideals in his book The Audacity of Hope,[13] and during the 2008 presidential election campaign he repeatedly called upon Americans to “ground our politics in the notion of a common good,” for an “age of responsibility,” and for foregoing identity politics in favor of community-wide unity building. However, for many in the West, the term communitarian conjures up authoritarian and collectivist associations, so many public leaders – and even several academics considered champions of this school – avoid the term while embracing and advancing its ideas.


I will now finally quote from the researcher who first linked Etzioni to Agenda 21. Here's what Niki Raapana has to say about Etzioni.

http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj32/17.html

He spends a lot of time on the road being interviewed and lecturing abroad and at US law schools about his "moral dialogue" to governments, bureaucrats, lawyers, judges and (of course) students. He promotes his ideology in a way that makes perfect sense to his elitist admirers, and confuses everyone else. His ancient collectivist platform and his innovative ways to remove us from "cultural relativism" are all designed to teach us to be more "responsive community members." He insists the U.S. Bill of Rights must be innovatively balanced and that the world's democratic governments are "evolving."

Etzioni's critics call his brand of communitarianism "fascist." Etzioni has never responded to the American social scientists who criticized him during his 1995 presidency of the American Sociological Association, but his position as the former ASA president is touted frequently during his lecture tours (without any reference whatsoever to the controversy surrounding his Libertarian-Fabian-communitarian propaganda).

Amitai Etzioni, at his very core, is a paradox. After studying his dissertation, his early internationally published works, and his philosophical musings, we compared his early works to his later published communitarian works. It is the ACL's opinion that Etzioni does not write everything he claims, (styles are too varied and conflicting) and we can not understand why his position as a leading Zionist influence in the White House is never mentioned by the American Press.


Unfortunately, as good as Raapana's research has been into this issue, she has clearly not understood which group influences the American press. She also has no idea about fakery.

In conclusion, Amitai Etzioni is yet another jewish change agent who has taken a very old Talmudic idea, repackaged it and sold it to the policy wonks as something new. As Niki Raapana repeatedly points out on her blog and in her book, communitarianism is a system designed to convert individual assets into "community property" under the guise of "the common good" (theft, in other words). Etzioni is simply doing his bit in achieving that outcome for the nutwork. :(
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Re: "Hiding in Plain Sight: Reflections on an Open Conspirac

Postby jumpy64 on January 9th, 2016, 11:05 am

Apache wrote:I apologise for interrupting your post Jumpy, which I do not intend to derail. I hope you don't mind my now posting the following research about Amitai Etzioni, the promoter and Guru of the "Third Way" doctrine known as communitarianism. I also apologise for its length, but there was no way to edit it down any further than I did.


No need for apologies, Apache, I don't see your post as an interruption or a "derailment" at all.

On the contrary, it is a very interesting and well constructed post, which reveals once more the "ethnic core" of our beloved "nutwork".

This Etzioni guy makes me think of another very influential ideologist like Coudenhove-Kalergi. In fact, the latter is a "kosher" guy too...

But maybe it's just another big coincidence. They're just two separate individualistic individuals who happen to be Jewish, I guess...
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