Thank you, IC, because yours is an interesting and meaningful experience that I think can be used to illustrate how things should work with “multiculturalism”.ICfreely wrote:Jumpy,
I'd like to share a multicultural experience that may interest you. For one year in junior high I had the misfortune of having to attend a school (public) in the Silverlake area of L.A. Nowadays it's become a trendy place for the Bohemian crowd. The shithole institution I was subject to had 3 main groups to join - 1) Armenian Power, 2) several Hispanic gangs and 3) An Asian gang called Satanas (I think). Anyhow, I politely turned down an offer to join my peeps. I mean, come on, no one can hang with the one man gang!
As luck would have it there was a big black kid (with an even bigger inferiority complex) in my P.E. class. He figured me being smaller and unaffiliated made me an easy target. The silly fool picked on me not once but twice!
I thought long and hard about my situation. One day after class, in the locker-room shower area, I put two locks in a sock & let him know that when he picked on (or as the esés would say, punked) me, it made me feel less than!
Suffice it to say, neither he nor anyone else fucked with me for the duration of my 'sentence.' Further, my would-be bully and I actually became friends. Shit happens in life. You do what you got to do to keep your dick up.
I mean, to better understand social phenomena, I believe the best way is to reduce them to an individual level.
So as ICfreely demonstrates here, for other people to respect you, first you have to respect yourself, and then to find a way to make others respect you, if they don’t do it spontaneously.
Respect of others is essentially based on empathy. Western culture, especially in modern times, is very much informed by a sense of empathy based on Christian precepts like “Do to others what you would want them to do to you” – which can be found in the New Testament, both on Luke 6:31 and on Matthew 7:12 (here without the “would”) and is widely formulated also in its Confucian, negative version as “Don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you” – and “Love your neighbor as you love yourself” (Luke 10:28).
Similar precepts are present also in other religions and culture, to the point that Western culture created the concept of a Golden Rule or "ethic of reciprocity" as a moral maxim or principle of altruism found in nearly every human culture and religion.
I’m afraid that the “nearly” part may concerns at least, for example, the African traditional culture, which is conspicuously absent in the Wikipedia article on the Golden Rule at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule , and in which the fundamental concept of empathy appears to be generally lacking, also because African languages and cultures seem to be extremely weak, if not totally lacking, in abstract thinking.
I’ve read several articles on this in Italian, but I’ve found a pretty comprehensive one in English too, and I recommend everybody to read it in its entirety at https://whitelocust.wordpress.com/moral ... esterners/.
The basic argument - expounded by Gedaliah Braun, an American scholar who taught philosophy in several African universities from 1976 to 1988 and has lived in South Africa since then - is that African languages are composed by a few hundreds or thousands of words that do not allow people who speak them to express empathy and the abstract thinking empathy is based on. I mean, to apply the Golden Rule, you have to be able to think in abstract terms and imagine yourself in somebody else’s shoes, and traditional African languages in general do not give their speakers even the means to do so.
I don’t think I have to tell you what this implies in a “multicultural” context. I’m sure everybody can understand that by themselves.
Anyway, even Eastern religions that seem to promote the Golden Rule, like Islam and Judaism for example, tend to apply it to their own group, and not to outsiders. For them, the definition of neighbors or fellow men is reserved only to those who belong to their same group. Outsiders are excluded from the application of the Golden Rule as Goyim or Infidels.
Think about the implications of this too…
Back to people from African cultures, Braun says that generally they don’t seem to grasp the concept according to which a human being of any race, including theirs, is inherently worthy of respect, because this too requires the application of a certain measure of empathy and of the abstract thinking empathy is based on, which they seem to be lacking. Therefore, they respect you only if you make them respect you.
Deep down, this can ultimately be true for everybody, but especially so for people that don’t even have the concept of respecting everybody because it’s the right, moral thing to do.
Coincidentally, the kid who disrespected ICfreely was Black, and IC had to stand up for himself to be respected by this big Black kid who later became his friend.
How does this apply to a multicultural context in contemporary Western societies? Well, it means that, even if we want to embrace the idea that it’s really necessary to accept in our societies people from other races, religions and culture – but the real reasons for this necessity should be critically examined in depth first, and not taken for granted at face value – we have to make sure that these “guests” first of all respect us.
And this is not easy, especially with people that may not have this notion of respect towards “others” as much ingrained in them, but that’s all the more reason to try as hard as possible.
And as I said, to be respected by others you must respect yourself first.
In a social context, self-respect means that you respect the group you belong to, which in my case (and in many other people’s here, I’m sure) is the Western White European race and/or culture. Only from a standpoint of self-respect you can invite and/or accept in your country – if you really want or have to – people belonging to different races, religions and cultures and hope to get along. It would be extremely difficult anyway, but at least you’d be starting with the right foot by saying something like: “Look, we have different cultures and values, they’re all legitimate and none is necessarily superior to the others, but since you’re coming to our countries you should respect us first, and then we will respect you too, also because, luckily for you, it’s part of our culture to be able to do so”.
So I’m sorry, Simon – I’m addressing you now for the second part of my response to the interesting points you raised in your posts at page 3 of this thread – but I think that saying, as you did on page 31 of the “Open Conspiracy” thread, that you don’t “give a flying freckle about being white” and “don’t feel like being part of any ‘Big White Family’ at all”, means starting with the wrong foot.
Why? Well, it should be self-evident by now, after what I’ve written so far. But if it isn’t, I’ll say that, first of all, such a statement is objectively false. Because, like it or not, you are part of your family, referring both to your individual family, starting with your mother and father who gave birth to you and who are both White Europeans, and to your national and cultural family that allowed your parents, and your ancestors before them, to grow up and prosper with the typically Western European values that have been transmitted to you.
Of course there are other people that, in your life like in anybody else’s, have had an influence on your upbringing, and these people may belong to other races, cultures or religions. But your family represents your roots, while other influences may only contribute to water them. And yes, water is essential, but without roots a tree can’t even absorb it, and ultimately dies, even if there’s abundance of water all around.
Oh, and by the way, the tree has not “chosen” to be a tree, but it still needs its roots…
And then, if we compare your country to your house (which is exactly what it is, in a larger sense), can you imagine yourself saying to your guests from all over the world “Look, I don’t care about my house, and this is not my family”? What do you think your guests will do? Well, if they share values similar to yours, maybe they will just take some undue liberties (like flirting with your wife, if you had one, for example), but what if they don’t? What if they come from other “families” who already consider yours inferior and up for the taking? Would you let them litter and destroy your house and rape your family members?
And anyway, how can you help preserving all the colors you’ve enjoyed in your admittedly colorful life from the evil Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, for example, if you don’t care for your own color? Why should others bother to preserve your color for you, even if they wanted to, if you do not consider it important yourself? And why shouldn't it be as important as the others?
How do you think the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan that you dislike so much is being implemented? A group of people, who are convinced that their “color” is the only one that counts and must dominate all others, does everything to convince the dominant people in the West that their color is evil and deserving total elimination. While doing that, the Kalergis of the world are also forcibly mixing all colors together through “multiculturalism” and, as you said in one of your posts, “turn humanity into a grey, monolithic broth of ‘human cattle’, more easily ‘herdable’ by the powers that be”, i.e. themselves.
You also write that the “CK plan is not about ‘genociding the white race, it’s about killing diversity”. Yes, but diversity can be killed one color at the time, and white seems to be the color the Jewish supremacists want to exterminate first, so shouldn’t it be the first to protect right now? Personally I would feel compelled to try and protect it even if it wasn’t my color.
Also because once Whites, even before being eliminated, become a minority in their own countries, there will be no one standing in the way of JPMs destroying all the other colors too.
And because I believe that, unlike the ill-intentioned Jewish supremacists, White people can learn to care for their own color and respect all other colors at the same time. They want us to think that protection of Whites would culminate in White supremacism because they’re projecting their own ways and intentions on us! They’re the true supremacists, and they’re protecting and grooming their own race for world domination. We're probably the only ones who could stop them, and that’s why they want to keep us down with all this White guilt BS.
I’m criticizing a certain "deracinated" way of thinking because I'm sure it’s how a bunch of Jewish supremacists want us to think in order to weaken us. And that’s why they’re brainwashing us with this giant “multicultural” psyop.
So if it’s doubtful, as Simon writes, that we at Cluesforum “will stop the JPMs from messing with this pretty world of ours”, at least we can strive to free our minds and stop working for them, however unconsciously.