ICfreely wrote:simonshack wrote:Am lovin' it... But hey, naysayers (moon-landing-believers) might say : "Duh - Mr Lovine just told you that he lies for a living!"..
He was one of the wisest people I've ever known. He was an honest lawyer (liar). A hard concept for you to grasp?
simonshack wrote:One thing however - regarding Hashtroodi - leaves me a bit puzzled / confused : as I surfed around the interwebs, I bumped into the following tidbits:On the same page linked above, one of his former students is quoted as saying that ... "(...) Dr. Hashtroudi established some institutes such as the IMS and the Iran Space Centre."
Just because NASA is fake doesn't mean people should stop trying to explore. You have to remember that those conversations took place in 1969. He wasn't a god standing atop Mt. Olympus - knowing & seeing all. As a mathematician his worldview was obviously skewed. Turning down $10K/month from NASA & publicly calling them out is commendable in my book. BTW, he's not my hero. My only hero in life is my father. Maybe if all fathers started acting like
real men & stepped up to the plate the world wouldn't be such a fucked up place.
Fuck it. It's so much easier to blame Jews, Jesuits, Masons and all other kinds of boogeymen for our own shortcomings!
I'm not sure what you're getting at Simon. Would you prefer we stick strictly to sourcing/
citing rather than providing in
sight? Your bulldog does a great job of citing wiki to back up his unsubstantiated beliefs. Maybe if I follow his lead I'll move up the 'Dean's List.'
P.S.
I could tell you some of my firsthand experiences with Masons & Jesuits that'll make you shit your pantaloons, muchacho! What I've shared so far is only the tip of the iceberg. The thing is, I have to gauge where you and everyone else are at in order to determine what I can say and how I can say it. The quantum probability of you coming across another person like me is
slim to none! I'm not about to apologize for shattering anyone's illusions of reality.
I dunno. I think I could possibly tell people on this forum things that i have seen and experienced that would send them, within a couple of sentences, directly into the madhouse. I am actually entirely surprised that I am still alive.
And sadly for myself, I know I am not exaggerating. Anyway, back to the topic:
Have you ever considered why? why this hoax?
There is the moral and psychological effect of introducing the spinning-ball in 'space' with the associated pictures, evolution, dinosaurs, relativity and the rest. There is atheism (and possible associated behaviours and thinking.) There are the scientific and visual paradigms. There is the whole Ziggy Stardust transhuman safe-space-transvestism LGBTQ issue, which I will leave people to draw their own conclusions about, as people's private proclivities are none of my business. (although speaking of learning to love the matrix, I saw in a free paper on the bus today that both Wachowski brothers are now transgender.)
But is there something else? Do they know something else we don't? What of the old Chaldean wisdom? What of the actual effects of the 'heavenly' bodies? It DOES actually seem that the moon cycles affect the tides.
I think it is possible, having perused recently some old herbal healing books and tested it out with my senses, that moonlight is actually the opposite of sunlight, that is to say, direct moonlight is actually colder than the surrounding shadows. Whilst sunlight is drying, antiseptic, warm and promotes life, moonlight would seem to be wetting, septic, rotting and promotes a kind of material decay. Both are necessary cyclical forces. The woman, with her menstrual cycle linked to the moon (but fucked up by electric light) is lunar, the man, solar. I am reminded of the Yezidi creation story about the two jars.
http://www.yeziditruth.org/yezidi_religious_traditionThen Eve was created. But according to the Yezidis before copulating the primal couple enrolled in a kind of competition to see if either of either of them could bring forth progeny independent of the other. They both stored their seed in a sealed jar and then after an incubation period opened them. Eve’s jar was opened and found to be full of insects and vermin, while inside Adam’s jar was a beautiful boy-child. This lovely child, known as Shehid bin Jer, “Son of Jar,” grew quickly, married, and had offspring. His descendants are the Yezidis. Thus, the Yezidis regard themselves descendants of Adam but not Eve. One also thinks of Sophia and the sacred feminine.
http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-sa ... eiled.htmlIt might seem sexist, in its way, but there is nothing more essential and live giving than all the creepy-crawlies. This most definitely connects somehow to the taboo upon and alleged magical properties of menstrual blood. Unfortunately these days, there are so many intentionally wrong magic books kicking about, which encourage people to practice black magic thinking it is white and vice versa (donald michael kraig is a great example of this, I also feel that the Israel Regardie changed some of the most essential teachings of the Golden Dawn, including their tarot symbolism) that it is hard to get much of a sense of the magical properties, good or otherwise of menstrual blood. I have seen 'white magic' books that encourage people to do things like smear a cross on their forehead in menstrual blood in parody of the passover ritual of the Samaritan people.
http://www.egrc.net/articles/other/arti ... sover.htmlThe Samaritans, incidentally, possess a different Torah from the Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_PentateuchIn Donald Michael Kraig's book 'modern magic' he encourages men to engage in sex, ejaculate and perform oral sex in a manner that causes the vaginal fluid and semen both to be consumed.
I knew some people who got involved with Kraig's Sexual Magic book who apparently got themselves into real trouble. There were exorcisms performed, so I believe, I think one of them actually ended up in a mental hospital.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Michael_Kraighttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borborite ... amentalismThere is only one book in which I have ever seen it implied that Judaism swiped the family jewels and turned them to their own purposes (and it was an interview in a pop-occult book called the Book of Lies by Richard Metzger and only mentioned in passing.)
Here are some writings about the spirits and intelligences of the kameas, heavenly bodies and their sigils. The lower one is about the moon.
http://www.angelfire.com/journal/cathbo ... igils.htmlhttp://www.angelfire.com/journal/cathbo ... Moon2.htmlYou might not like it, but I think the perps believe in all this. It MUST do something, don't you think? Some of you might not be aware of it, but a lot of this stuff is actually encoded into, or drawn from both the bible and the koran. Maybe it is not necessarily just black magic to be abused by the perps, perhaps if it got into everyone's hands, perhaps it could be used for good, maybe even heal the mess we are in a little. Its just a thought, I do not really take a personal position. I dont know.
From yezidi sons of jars, to mummification and ancient egypt (what do we know about ancient egypt AT ALL? perps love it though, that's for sure.) I would definitely recommend buying or downloading 'the golden dawn' by Israel Regardie and simply reading through it. Somewhere ICFreely advocated forming an unbiased opinion about the PLEZ, I advocate the same approach with some magical texts. But not the Greater Key of Solomon. Or for that matter the lesser key. Or anything to do with Enochian magic. Unless you are so confident in your scientific-rational atheism that you think its safe. Then you can mess around all you like. In which case, I hear there is a massive left hand path torrent on pirate bay with your name on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_sons_of_HorusSpeaking of 'son of jar', (transhumanism, test-tubes, cloning?) in the context of the 'preserving jar' approach to living, real and useful knowledge, should we point the finger at Sir James Frazier and his book 'The Golden Bough'. This book archives all types of folk-knowledge and rituals and then 'slanders them with flattery' as mere superstitions. Turns them into 'anthropology'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golde ... #ReceptionI quote Rudolf Steiner's book Lucifer and Ahriman.
But now that we are facing an incarnation of Ahriman in the third millennium after Christ, Lucifer's tracks are becoming less visible, and Ahriman's activities in such trends as I have indicated are coming into prominence. Ahriman has made a kind of pact with Lucifer, the import of which may be expressed in the following way. Ahriman, speaking to Lucifer, says: “I, Ahriman, find it advantageous to make use of ‘preserving jars.’ To you I will leave people's stomachs, if you will leave it to me to lull them to sleep — that is to say to lull their consciousness to sleep where their stomachs are concerned.”
You must understand what I mean by this. The consciousness of those human beings whom I have called devourers of soul and spirit is in a condition of dimness so far as their stomachs are concerned; for, by not accepting the spiritual into their human nature, they drive straight into the luciferic stream everything they introduce into their stomachs. What people eat and drink without spirituality goes straight to Lucifer!
And what do I mean by “preserving jars?” I mean libraries and institutions of a similar kind, where the various sciences pursued by human beings without really stirring their interest are preserved; these sciences are not really alive in them but are simply preserved in the books on the shelves of libraries. All this knowledge has been separated from human beings. Everywhere there are books, books, books! Themselves students, when they take their doctor's degree, have to write a learned thesis which is then put into as many libraries as possible. When the students want to take up some particular post, again they must write a thesis! In addition to this, people are forever writing, although only a very small proportion of what they write is ever read. Only when some special preparation has to be made do people resort to what is moldering away in libraries. These “preserving jars” of wisdom are a particularly favorable means of furthering Ahriman's aims.
painted all over it.
. So the context in which a person learns a story and how he processes and analyzes it can be affected by a multitude of things, not the least of which is emotional trauma which does devastating things to the analytical process. I'm a lawyer by the way, but you will see me all over the place (and space) here.
