Engineering disease

Historical insights & thoughts about the world we live in - and the social conditioning exerted upon us by past and current propaganda.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by aa5 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:38 pm

A good point Patrix makes is that health care has emerged as the most important area in our society. It makes sense for this emergence, as when a people have all the food they can eat, closets full of clothing, cars, computers, more than enough shelter.. what is next for their enjoyment of their life is their health and that of their family.

And whatever people want most, is where they will spend the most money in a free economy, and where the people of the society will direct the most tax money. Where the biggest money is, and the biggest difference in quality of life is, is where the power and profits will derive from, hence you see all the big corporations moving into health care.

One difference I have seen in health care, is the scams do not look intentional(to me). Whole massive industries rise up like in heart disease and cancer treatments, that use therapies that with modern statistical analysis to show causality, look mighty questionable. While other knowledge seems suppressed because there is not big money in it. Like without a continuing flow of large amounts of money from a therapy, how could it even be promoted?

Some people think the answer to this is government ran health care. Yet the government ran systems function exactly like the privately ran systems. Each agency and sub-agency in the government wants to grow, and people in the government want job security and raises, just like people in the private sector do.

It is extremely hard for even smart people like doctors to challenge the ideas they learned in school, and to challenge their own biases - considering biases are not even something we are consciously aware of. An example I read in a socialist health care system in Europe is for couples where the woman is having trouble getting pregnant. According to the writer the studies showed that the treatment with the highest chance of success was to give the woman a simple round of antibiotics, cost $20. The second highest chance of success was the full on in vitro fertilization procedure and all the clinical intervention and monitoring that goes with that, cost $50,000 or more.

Guess which treatment the public health system decided to approve as the first-line treatment for those women? The thing is I have friends who are doctors, and these are very smart people, who I enjoy talking to about any subject, because of their logical minds and training - and medicine is especially difficult because each person is slightly different, so there is an unknowing aspect they have to deal with, which really strengthens their minds.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by patrix » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:50 pm

Thank you Hoi. This concerns and frustrates me a great deal. The medical/nutrition area is in my opinion a place where "they've got us good" and I recommend everyone to research it. You people know how much propaganda and disinformation there are and don't for a second think that this area has been excluded. Quite the opposite. And the game is as simple as it is evil - Make us sick through nutrition/medicine/lifestyle without us suspecting and make money out of it.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by ICfreely » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:57 am

patrix wrote:

First I would like to say that a couple of months ago when I wrote this, I was a bit "emotionally unstable" and my postings here got me a well deserved ban. We all react differently when "waking up" or whatever we should call it.
No worries, patrix. Been there. Hope you're doing better now.
As for why I think fat is essential and why Elaine Morgan and the Aquatic Ape Hypothesis is compelling it is because of my research and personal experiences.
If it works for you then more power to you. I'll look into it. Thanks.
Read what I and others write. From that try to set up a meaningful hypothesis that challenges your current stance. If you fail to refute it through extensive research and/or experiments, you've made progress.
My mind doesn't work that way. I can point out the flaws in a given hypothesis without having to provide a replacement hypothesis of my own.

aa5 wrote:

It is extremely hard for even smart people like doctors to challenge the ideas they learned in school, and to challenge their own biases - considering biases are not even something we are consciously aware of.
Good point. They, for the most part, don't have an incentive to rock the boat. The medical profession is not unlike a military.
How and When to Be Your Own Doctor - Isabelle A. Moser, M.D., Steve Solomon

But becoming an official medical deity doesn’t permit one to create their own methods. No no, the AMA’s professional oversight and control system makes continued possession of the license to practice (and the high income that usually comes with it) entirely dependent on continued conformity to what is defined by the AMA as “correct practice.” Any doctor who innovates beyond strict limits or uses nonstandard treatments is in real danger of losing their livelihood and status.

http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/upl ... 02ch2.html
Confessions of a Medical Heretic (Ch. 7: The Devil’s Priests) - Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.

Suicide accounts for more deaths among doctors than car and plane crashes, drownings, and homicides combined. Doctors’ suicide rate is twice the average for all white Americans. Every year, about 100 doctors commit suicide, a number equal to the graduating class of the average medical school. Furthermore, the suicide rate among female physicians is neatly four times higher than that for other women over age twenty-five.

Apologists for the medical profession cite several reasons for doctors’ high rate of sickness. The drugs are easily available to them; they must work long hours under severe stress; their background and psychological makeup predisposes them to stretch their powers to the limits; and their patients and the community make excessive demands on them. Of course, whether or not you accept these reasons, they don’t explain away the fact that doctors are a very sick group of people.

Nonetheless, I prefer to look for more reasons. Fraud and corruption in the research process comes as no surprise to anyone who witnesses the lengths to which drug and formula companies go to doctors to their way of thinking. Free dinners, cocktails, conventions, and subsidized research fellowships still are only superficial explanations. When you examine the psychological and moral climate of Modern Medicine, you begin to get closer to understanding why doctors are so unhealthy.

Medical politics, for example, is a cutthroat power game of the most primitive sort. I much prefer political politics, because there you have the art of the possible, which means you have to compromise. Medical politics is the art of sheer power. There is no compromise: you go right for the jugular vein before your own is torn out. There’s no room for compromise because churches never compromise on canon law. Instead of a relatively open process in which people with different interests get together to try to get the most out of the situation that they can, in medical politics there is a rigid authoritarian power structure which can be moved only through winner-take-all power plays. Historically, doctors who have dared to change things significantly have been ostracized and have had to sacrifice their careers in order to hold to their ideas. Few doctors are willing to do either.

http://www.whale.to/c/devilspriests.html

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by SacredCowSlayer » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:25 pm

The below quoted by ICfreely:
Confessions of a Medical Heretic (Ch. 7: The Devil’s Priests) - Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.

Suicide accounts for more deaths among doctors than car and plane crashes, drownings, and homicides combined. Doctors’ suicide rate is twice the average for all white Americans. Every year, about 100 doctors commit suicide, a number equal to the graduating class of the average medical school. Furthermore, the suicide rate among female physicians is neatly four times higher than that for other women over age twenty-five.

Apologists for the medical profession cite several reasons for doctors’ high rate of sickness. The drugs are easily available to them; they must work long hours under severe stress; their background and psychological makeup predisposes them to stretch their powers to the limits; and their patients and the community make excessive demands on them. Of course, whether or not you accept these reasons, they don’t explain away the fact that doctors are a very sick group of people.

Nonetheless, I prefer to look for more reasons. Fraud and corruption in the research process comes as no surprise to anyone who witnesses the lengths to which drug and formula companies go to doctors to their way of thinking. Free dinners, cocktails, conventions, and subsidized research fellowships still are only superficial explanations. When you examine the psychological and moral climate of Modern Medicine, you begin to get closer to understanding why doctors are so unhealthy.

Medical politics, for example, is a cutthroat power game of the most primitive sort. I much prefer political politics, because there you have the art of the possible, which means you have to compromise. Medical politics is the art of sheer power. There is no compromise: you go right for the jugular vein before your own is torn out. There’s no room for compromise because churches never compromise on canon law. Instead of a relatively open process in which people with different interests get together to try to get the most out of the situation that they can, in medical politics there is a rigid authoritarian power structure which can be moved only through winner-take-all power plays. Historically, doctors who have dared to change things significantly have been ostracized and have had to sacrifice their careers in order to hold to their ideas. Few doctors are willing to do either.

http://www.whale.to/c/devilspriests.html
Thank you ICfreely for this post. I think there's something to the idea that certain types of people don't like jumping through countless hoops (with delusions of nobility and such) only to find out they are expected to legitimize a total fraud (that they couldn't see beforehand, naturally).

I don't see much distinction between the medical field and the legal field (or political) in this regard. Even the "art of the possible" usually (always?) serves to prop up something that is phony to begin with.

The way I often describe the conundrum is by saying that "one must find a way to make living, while being able to live with himself. Try and find that balance." And yet I find myself gravely dissatisfied with that admonition.

So, in a good faith effort to Not Derail this topic, I'll say that the Disease being Engineered (by the institutions) is the systematic elevation of Psychopaths to power (not exclusive to the medical field by any means), and the feeling of Despair created in those with a conscience.

The latter group then has the problem compounded by the fact that the Psychopaths in the former group have the power to label anyone they wish as having some kind of disorder, and thus not to be taken too seriously.

I recall an article I read about how Psychiatry has this very nasty cycle of chewing up and spitting out any challengers within its community. I'll have to find it and post as soon as I get a chance.

It occurred to me one day in court (probably 7 years ago) when I heard a CPS (in Texas it's the Child Protection Agency :rolleyes:) worker describe a parent as having "Oppositional Defiant Disorder.” After a quick search on this "disorder" it was abundantly clear what was going on. So I set about to see for myself, and I was completely Unsurprised to see nothing more than the heavy hand of cruel and nonsensical "diagnosis" being used to control and/or punish people.

Perhaps this Disease (tactic) should be explored further, since it can be used across the board, regardless of the institution involved. It's thought provoking nonetheless.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by ICfreely » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:30 pm

SacredCowSlayer wrote:

So, in a good faith effort to Not Derail this topic, I'll say that the Disease being Engineered (by the institutions) is the systematic elevation of Psychopaths to power (not exclusive to the medical field by any means), and the feeling of Despair created in those with a conscience.
Thank you, SCS. I thought the point of this topic was to provide practical/useful information for people to implement in the here & now. I'd like to think I, in my own small way, have done just that, instead of wasting time debating what may or may not have evolved into what.
I don't see much distinction between the medical field and the legal field (or political) in this regard. Even the "art of the possible" usually (always?) serves to prop up something that is phony to begin with.
Neither do I, SCS. Darwinism reigns supreme!

"In my years of teaching in medical school, I had come to realize that medical students in an academic setting are more competitive and backbiting than a truckload of lawyers. They live out the Darwinian struggle in their quest to be one of the ‘fittest’ who stagger to graduation after four grueling years in medical school. The single-minded pursuit of stellar medical school grades, without regard for the students surrounding you, no doubt follows a Darwinian model, but it always seemed to me an ironic pursuit for those who are striving to become compassionate healers."
--Bruce Lipton, PhD

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by McKoga » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:18 pm

patrix » April 16th, 2017, 3:50 pm wrote:Thank you Hoi. This concerns and frustrates me a great deal. The medical/nutrition area is in my opinion a place where "they've got us good" and I recommend everyone to research it. You people know how much propaganda and disinformation there are and don't for a second think that this area has been excluded. Quite the opposite. And the game is as simple as it is evil - Make us sick through nutrition/medicine/lifestyle without us suspecting and make money out of it.
I agree. Health foods are bad for you.

Lentils, unsaturated fats, and salads...no bueno.

Statins don't work, SSRIs turn you into a zombie, etc etc

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by fbenario » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:29 am

McKoga » April 20th, 2017, 3:18 pm wrote:
I agree. Health foods are bad for you.

Lentils, unsaturated fats, and salads...no bueno.

Statins don't work, SSRIs turn you into a zombie, etc etc
Salads are bad for you? Lettuces, tomatoes, beets, etc.? Certainly never heard that before.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by sharpstuff » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:10 am

Dear fbenario,

Perhaps McKoga and Patrix are 'into' engineering disease?
Providing some viable and tangible evidence would be good.

I couldn't believe what I just read.

I'm not sure I like the way this thread is heading with these sort of unfounded remarks.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by dblitz » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:21 pm

Dude, you made me laugh so hard I think I hurt a muscle or something! I've been doing this since the mid 90's, and encouraging salad consumption as a means to achieve world domination has never been a subject of discussion as far as I can remember (although onions and garlic have been unfairly slandered in some circles.)

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by sharpstuff » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:46 am

Re: Engineering 'disease'
dblitz wrote:

Postby dblitz on April 22nd, 2017, 10:21 pm
Dude, you made me laugh so hard I think I hurt a muscle or something! I've been doing this since the mid 90's, and encouraging salad consumption as a means to achieve world domination has never been a subject of discussion as far as I can remember (although onions and garlic have been unfairly slandered in some circles.)
To whom are you referring with 'Dude'?

And who are 'you' and who made you laugh?

What is the 'this you been doing this since the mid '90's'?

Your comment/s make no sense to a sentient being. What exactly about which are you talking?

Have you got anything useful to say?

I started this thread to expose the Fantasy/Nonsense Tales that the so-called 'medical profession' has imposed upon us mortals. The hienous crimes that have been perpetrated upon us humans since antiquity based upon the desire to subjugate their (whomsoever they are) will-to-power (Nietzsche) only shows the power that they have over those who have not their own mind.

The socio/psychopaths invented 'vaccination/innoculation' based on no verifiable data and from a 'chemist' who had no background in physiological processes. These people invented virtual and definite castration of males via circumcision and vaccination and all the other perils of life such as ultra-sound for determining the perhaps sex of a child before birth and most of the other abominations that prevail (the list is endless).

I agree all these are contentious subjects but they must be explored as far as possible.

When you have had to teach these mites (young children) you would realise the dangers of these alleged preventions to norrmal growth (that is, without intervention form those who pretend to know more than a natural mother or father), then you may have a say in the matter if you can provide verifiable evidence.

I would remind you that this is not an anti-social network site.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by dblitz » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:28 pm

Well, I really did laugh when I read that salads and health foods were bad.

I was referring to these lines:
I agree. Health foods are bad for you.

Lentils, unsaturated fats, and salads...no bueno.

Statins don't work, SSRIs turn you into a zombie, etc etc
in McKoga's post.

Perhaps I misunderstood what he was saying. Perhaps you thought I was referring to your post, in which it appeared you did the same as me and questioned those remarks.

My post was dumb, I admit. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, really.

Maybe I've been reading too many Youtube comments.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by patrix » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:42 pm

dblitz » April 24th, 2017, 1:28 pm wrote:Well, I really did laugh when I read that salads and health foods were bad.

I was referring to these lines:
I agree. Health foods are bad for you.

Lentils, unsaturated fats, and salads...no bueno.

Statins don't work, SSRIs turn you into a zombie, etc etc
in McKoga's post.

Perhaps I misunderstood what he was saying. Perhaps you thought I was referring to your post, in which it appeared you did the same as me and questioned those remarks.

My post was dumb, I admit. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, really.

Maybe I've been reading too many Youtube comments.
No worries. No offence from me at least. :) But I do like the concept of keeping the "chit chat" low in the threads. Here's a reply I have authored and came here to post just now.

Lol. No sorry. I’m not a disease engineer of the Nutwork, but if I was, this is how I would go about doing my work:
Find out what makes people stay healthy and have the the Nutwork propaganda and social engineering machine convince us that the opposite is true.
Design foods, psyence and treatments that might improve symptoms of the resulting health problems but who’s main objective is to induce various other problems and diseases and again use propaganda and social engineering to convince us of their effectiveness. Sounds simple but how might they have achieved this? We know for example that the so called western diseases (obesity, diabetes, cancer, dementia and osteoporosis) are rampant today. Allow me to speculate:

In the 50s a researcher by the name of Ancel Keys, whom I suspect was a real chief disease engineer, went to the Mediterranean to study why people was so healthy in that region. And I think his key findings (pardon the pun) where the following:
A diet rich in animal fat from fish, dairy and meat.
Less of grains and sugar.
Fasting periods – no breakfast and periods of fasting during the year.
Lots of sunlight (vitamin D),
An overall stress free lifestyle and siesta.

This is not what you may have heard from his research and that is of course intentional. Keys job as chief disease engineer was to convince the world that the exact opposite of these findings where true and have the Nutwork propaganda machine working all levels to make ordinary folks stay away from this healthy formula.

I also suspect Disney played a part in the social engineering. By making cartoons that show that animals have souls and feelings, we engineer a generation that will naturally stay away from animal foods. This might be far fetched but duck fat was common in the early 20th century and might have played a part in the invention of Donald Duck. And today media shows us how meat and dairy production is immoral and harmful to the environment and our health in all sorts of ways. Could this be intentional?

The next step was to design a harmful replacement for animal fat – processed vegetable oils. Through a process called hydrogenation the Nutwork made various toxic vegetable oils stable and had their propaganda machine promote them. Crisco is one of the more well known products. The first incarnations of these products was loaded with so called trans fats that are able to quickly break down the cardio vascular system. And lo and behold, heart attacks was rampant in the 60s.

Keys himself made up some bogus research and started promoting the dangers of saturated fat and cholesterol. In order to avoid the increasing problem of heart disease, people should stay away from foods rich in saturated fat and cholesterol and instead choose unsaturated fats he preached. And the propaganda machine put him on the cover of Time magazine. Lots of tax money was funnelled into gigantic studies like the Framingham study that was cleverly designed to hide the fact that not only was the diseases invented, but that the proposed cure was in fact the disease.

Expensive, dangerous, invasive heart surgery was also promoted as a way to cure something that in reality is the effect of a low intake of healthy stable animal fats combined with a high intake of vegetable oils, starch and sugar.

Then we have Statins or cholesterol lowering drugs. Cholesterol is the building block of our cells. Our body can handle reasonable amounts of vegetable oils, starch and sugar, but if the oxidative stress and thus cell damage becomes too high because of them the body will increase the amount of cholesterol in the blood stream because it is needed to repair the damage. To impair this vital function with a cholesterol lowering poison/drug will of course lead to problems.

I could go on explaining how these oils disrupts our hormones and cause obesity and diabetes.

Then we have veganism. This is a very deceptive and clever move by the Nutwork to socially engineer us into because veganism IS healthy, but only for a while. It has the same positive effect as fasting. It makes the digestive system relax and autophagy to kick in. But eventually the malnutrition resulting from the non existing intake of animal fats will take its toll. It can take years, even decades, but eventually brain fog, dementia, muscle loss, hair loss, cavities, osteoporosis will be the result. And many vegetables are in fact not healthy at all. And the great thing with slowly cooking the frogs like this, and have positive reinforcement in the beginning, is that most vegans will not try to solve their problems by quitting veganism. They will instead do more of what makes them sick.

I could go on with talking about for example sun screen that together with our low animal fat intake gives us vitamin D insufficiency and cancer, but I’ll leave at this for now.

References you ask for. Well there are actually quite a lot of research that I could argue support my speculations, but I’m afraid nobody in their right mind and of sound morals could conceive a scenario like this to be true. It’s like arguing 3 thousand or 6 million deaths in some historic event has never occurred, but is an intentional lie.
Below are a few references I find interesting, but there are probably more that supports other views which would be expected if this is a focus area of the Nutwork.

So, are we still laughing? :)

http://superhumanradio.com/shr-2005-sci ... -beef.html

http://superhumanradio.com/media/DL/The ... s-v1_1.pdf

Youtube - The Greatest American Lies - The Oiling of America and Heart Disease

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ0WJOQzrgg
Youtube - AHS12 Georgia Ede MD Little Shop of Horrors? The Risks and Benefits of Eating Plants

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRBFiBWQZQ

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by HonestlyNow » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:04 pm

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Patrix, do you have no comment on this?
HonestlyNow » December 30th, 2016, 6:37 pm wrote:
patrix wrote:
HonestlyNow wrote: Patrix,
I see that you don't recognize (as most people do not recognize) that we are a frugivore species. Spend time at the YouTube channel robertmorsend for ahead-of-the-curve learning.
Or I have a better eye for science fakery and this cultural engineering than you have.
If you have an eye for fakery in this instance, the instance being the teachings from the robertmorsend channel, please show and/or tell me what is being faked.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by patrix » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:29 pm

HonestlyNow » April 24th, 2017, 3:04 pm wrote:*
Patrix, do you have no comment on this?
No comment no. And I don’t want this thread to turn into a mudslinging contest between omnivores and vegans. Some of my best friends are vegans and I respect them, but I also believe them to be wrong and that veganism/vegetarianism is a successful psyop that is not supported by real science.

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Unread post by HonestlyNow » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:17 pm

patrix » April 24th, 2017, 9:29 am wrote: No comment no. And I don’t want this thread to turn into a mudslinging contest between omnivores and vegans. Some of my best friends are vegans and I respect them, but I also believe them to be wrong and that veganism/vegetarianism is a successful psyop that is not supported by real science.
Awesome. And the frugivores? Where does the frugivore fit into your belief system?

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