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1) ‘On September 11 almost all pieces of evidence where quickly removed’ All the evidence was all over the place for months, so it was not very quickly removed.

"Quickly" does not necessarily mean that it was removed on the day of the attacks. But the crucial evidence was removed quite fast:

--The rubble (the small amount left) was removed by Zionist Alan Ratner and sent to smelters in Asia.
--The Pentagon security footage at the CITGO gas station was confiscated by FBI agents "within minutes".
--Films/photos taken by New Yorkers were collected by the NYPD in the aftermath of the attack.

The "personal effects", "airplane wreckage", and "hijacker items" do not count, as they are not evidence, but fabrications.


2) First thing he establishes is that only 5 live broadcast of the 2nd strike were shown on tv. This is possible due to the short time between each incident, doesn’t prove anything.

He doesn't state that it proved anything. What is going to be proven is that the five "live shots" are fabrications, as are all other videos of the "crash".

If any insinuation was being made, it was probably that the small number of "live shots" makes the task of faking the initial "live-shots" quite underwhelming.

3) Winston’s inside a building reporting what he had just witnessed, you can hear people in the background raise their voices, he explains that ‘there was an explosion and people are running up the street.’ He says ‘hold on I’ll tell you what’s going, on...’ Now Simon puts the caption NO ONE sees nor mentions ‘plane’ this is a very cynical caption, no one says plane, but that does not imply their wasn’t one involved. Then the caption ‘screen blacks out on impact’ We all know the transmitter was on top of the tower, they cut to a different signal explaining the blackout, this gives credence to the damage to the tower at that moment. cont..

Even if we accept that the Vince Cellini is so unobservant that he misses an airplane fly across the screen and into the South Tower, the main indications that there was no plane involved iare:

a) Winston, who was supposedly "on-the-scene", does not see/hear a plane

Winston says: "there was an explosion and people are running up the street" -- had it been a plane crash, he would have said something along the lines of: "A big plane slammed into the Tower, people are running up the street"

b) Winston's microphone fails to pick up the roar of an airplane

We don't hear an airplane noise over the phone. Surely we can agree that a low-flying commercial jetliner would create a deafening noise. Why, then, can we hear the sound of people in the background, and yet no airplane roar?

4) Now its Bryant Gumbel’s turn who is talking to Mrs Theresa Renaud, Bryant Gumbel’s askes Theresa ‘where are you’ She replies ‘I am in Chelsea, we are at 8 and 16th, we are the tallest building in the area!’ ‘My window faces south so it looks directly on to the world trade centre. Approximately 10 minutes ago a major explosion probably what looks like the 80th floor probably about 8 to 4 floors, major flames are coming out, let’s see the north side and also the east side of the building, yes she goes on then says she didn’t see what caused the impact Bryant Gumbel ‘So you have no idea right now... Oh there’s another one, another plane just hit, Oh my God, another plane just hit another building. Simon now get out a map to explain that she was a long way from the building even though she just explained she had a great view of the twin towers. So this is just conjecture easily disproven. It was a large plane, the largest and tallest buildings around.

As you have said, Theresa Renaud (Wife of CBS Early Show producer Jack Renaud) was allegedly in her office as 8th Avenue and 16th Street in Chelsea. But the evidence suggests that she would not have been able to see the airplane impact from where she claimed to be.

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This is 111 8th Avenue, the building at the address that Renaud gave Gumbel. Interestingly, this building is an "old media headquarters", and it houses the offices of companies like Google, the intelligence connections of which are well-known.

111 8th Avenue is two miles away from the World Trade Center, and this is it's view of the Twin Towers (approximately):

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On the day of 9/11, the higher floors of this building housed the offices of large television production companies, and it's view is a match-or-near-match for the CNN shot:

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And what floor was Renaud on? That's crucial -- if she was on the higher floors, then she may have been sharing a room with CNN.

Furthermore, listen to the unnatural way in which she recounts what she saw. Her hesitations suggest that she is either:
a) Watching a television re-play and picking up details from it.
b) Being instructed as to what to say.

Examples:

“and right now? that? yes? that was definitely looked like it was on purpose,”

“It’s because? it just? it just flew straight into it. There’s not? it didn’t look like it was? ah? and it didn’t look like a commercial jet. It was a smaller plane. It was definitely a smaller plane.”

“It hit another building? flew right into the middle of it! Explosion!”

Here is a video of her account:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdkyk1up4ZA

At 3:14, she is apparently being told what to say. Who is in the room with her?

A reminder about the building she's in:


"The property, the third largest building in New York City, is fast becoming one of the most important high-tech facilities in the world resting atop one of the main fiber optic arteries in New York City the Hudson Street Ninth Avenue "fiber highway." 111 Eighth Avenue houses sophisticated high tech telecommunications centers for major global telecommunications networks, including the busiest switching stations in the world. With a tenant list including BT Americas, Google, MCI, Sprint, Level 3, Qwest, NTT, XO Communications, Doubleclick, Cable & Wireless, it is widely acknowledged as New York City's most important carrier hotel.

http://www.111eighth.com/index.htm

Very intriguing companies.

Level 3
-A US Government Contractor (Source)
-At the time of 9/11, it's CEO was the former Chairman of disgraced, military-linked WorldCom. (Source)
-At the time of 9/11, one of it's directors was a right-wing Naval veteran. (Source)
-On 9/11, two of it's directors were also directors of Conagra, a military contractor. (Source)
-On 9/11, it's Chairman was a close friend of Warren Buffett and a director of his company (Source.)

And one of it's current directors is James O. Ellis, Jr., who was the deputy chief of US Naval operations from 1996-1998, commander-in-chief of the Allied Forces and Naval Forces in Europe from 1998-2000, and commander-in-chief of US Strategic Command at the time of 9/11. US Strategic Command was involved in a large-scale training exercise called "Global Guardian" on the morning of 9/11. The exercise was originally scheduled for October, but the date was changed for unknown reasons. Offutt Air Force Base is the headquarters of US Strategic Command, and it was at Offutt Air Force Base that Warren Buffett was holding his "last annual golf event" that morning -- many important people attended, including a woman whose offices were directly where the "plane" (Some kind of exotic weapon or bomb IMO) hit the World Trade Center. This woman (Anne Tatlocke) had intriguing connections of her own, and her company (Fiduciary Trust) was closely tied to the attacks. Bush would land at Offutt Air Force base at 3:07, before returning to the White House. Ellis is now a director of Lockheed Martin.
http://www.nndb.com/people/808/000128424/
http://killtown.911review.org/buffett.html
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/759338/1/

BT Americas

It's a Gold certified partner of Microsoft, an NSA asset/front. http://www.btamericascareers.com/btamericas/

It's also a Gold certified partner of Cisco Systems. Cisco Systems supposedly employed Suzanne Calley, a "Flight 77 passenger" who is not listed in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI). Cisco Systems is a gold-certified partner of Raytheon, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC), Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and the General Dynamics Corporation. These are the major components of the Military-Industrial Complex and some of them (SAIC, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin) have been fingered as prime movers behind the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /1466.html
http://www.btamericascareers.com/btamericas/
http://tools.cisco.com/WWChannels/LOCAT ... cSearch.do

BT Adviser Betsy S. Atkins is a CFR member.
http://www.nndb.com/people/986/000172470/

The current Chairman of BT, Michael Rake, is a former British government official and a senior adviser to the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), the British counterpart of the CFR.
http://www.nndb.com/people/600/000170090/
http://www.whale.to/b/riia_q.html

On 9/11, Rake was a senior partner and director of KPMG. KPMG was a partner of Standard Chartered Bank. Standard Chartered Bank had an office in Building 7. It was one floor above the INS/DOD offices in the building, as well as the secret CIA counter-intelligence station there. Standard Chartered Bank has CIA ties, and it provided "bank accounts" to two of the 9/11 "Al-Qaeda" patsies, one of them a "Flight 175 hijacker" and the other a "9/11 financier".
http://www.nndb.com/people/600/000170090/
http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Standar ... Bank.shtml

Furthermore, KPMG was the auditor of AMEC, one of the four companies involved in the Ground-Zero cleanup and the Pentagon cleanup. It is also the independent accountant of ARAMARK, a Pentagon/United-Airlines/American-Airlines contractor with intimate Mafia connections. ARAMARK was heavily present at both the Pentagon and World Trade Center scenes, yet only reported losing one of it's employees (a general manager of food services). This employee is not listed in the SSDI. Thomas Kean heads/directs ARAMARK, and Kean was the Chairman of the 9/11 Commission.
http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Kpmg.shtml

KPMG is a partner of Standard Chartered Bank, an auditor of AMEC, and the independent accountant of ARAMARK. All three companies have close ties to the 9/11 attacks. Michael Rake, now Chairman of BT Americas, was a senior-adviser and director of KPMG before, during, and after the 9/11 attacks.

Google

Google has documented close ties to the US Intelligence Community:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... LUAP8L.DTL
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/02 ... -everyone/
http://www.google-watch.org/jobad.html
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/07 ... oogle-cia/

Google is a corporate member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on ... te_Members

The CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt, is a member of the Bilderberg Group and a trustee of the CIA-controlled Princeton University. From 2006 to 2009, he was a director of Apple (Along with Al Gore), which has close ties to the NSA and the Military-Industrial Complex. Schmidt held positions at Bell Laboratories, which has intimate links to the military. One of the directors of Bell Labs' is also a director of In-Q-Tel, a CIA front acquired by Google.
http://www.nndb.com/people/360/000058186/
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/princeton.edu/consult.html
http://www.nndb.com/people/138/000026060/

Schmidt is one of the top executives at Sun Microsystems, which has intimate links to the military/intelligence/defense community and which is now a subsidiary of Oracle Corporation, a CIA front with close ties to the 9/11 operation and to the promotion of the "Michael Reagan's Death Threat Against Mark Dice" story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/759338/1/
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 562385/pg1

Al Gore, the prime mover behind the "Global-Warming Movement" and a luminary at the Club of Rome, is a senior adviser to Google. Gore was the Vice President under Bill Clinton.
http://www.nndb.com/people/499/000023430/

The former Chief Financial Officer of Google, George Reyes, is a director of BEA Systems, a subsidiary of the CIA's Oracle Corporation, which has close ties to 9/11. He is also a former executive at Sun Microsystems, which is also a subsidiary of Oracle. In addition to this, Reyes is a graduate of Santa Clara University, the Jesuit institution of California. He is also a director of Symantec, which is headed by Homeland-Security adviser John W. Thompson, a director of Barrick Gold, a company owned by Adnan Khashoggi.
http://www.nndb.com/people/583/000167082/
http://www.nndb.com/people/991/000060811/

Barrick Gold's past/present executives are a "who's who" of global-elite/new-world-order operatives like Gustavo Cisneros (CFR, Knights of Malta), the controller of the Venezuelan media, Brian Mulroney (CFR, JP Morgan International Council, Director of the 9-11/WTC7-linked and Skull&Bones/CFR-controlled Blackstone Group), the former Prime Minister of Canada, and Marshall Cohen (Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Center for Strategic & International Studies, Member of the Blackstone Group's International Advisory Committee), a top name in Canadian finance and the former deputy finance minister in the Canadian Government. George H.W Bush was an honorary senior adviser/dealmaker for Barrick Gold.
http://www.nndb.com/company/611/000059434/

Peter Tippett, a director of Symantec, is the Vice President of Verizon's intelligence division and a former research assistant at Rockefeller University. Verizon's president, Lawrence T. Babbio, Jr., is on the board of ARAMARK, which has previously-discussed links to 9/11. He is also on the board of Hewlett-Packard, which is headed by - get this - the President of Oracle Corporation (CIA)! Mark Hurd, President of the CIA front Oracle, heads Hewlett Packard and serves on the board of News Corporation (Rupert Murdoch's massive newsmedia conglomerate).
http://www.nndb.com/people/292/000167788/

Verizon's general counsel is Bill Barr, the former US Attorney General and a former CIA analyst. The former president of Verizon retail markets is Bruce Gordon, now a director of CBS. The former chairman and current board member of Verizon, Charles Lee, is a director of defense contractor United Technologies.
http://www.nndb.com/people/542/000104230/
http://www.nndb.com/people/605/000171092/
http://www.nndb.com/people/182/000098885/

We could go on -- Symantec clearly has close ties to the military/intelligence/defense community. Google's Chief Financial Officer is a director of Symantec.

Let's move on to John Doerr, a member of Google's board. Doerr is a director of Sun Microsystems, the military/intelligence-linked/Oracle-owned company that we've covered already. He is a trustee of the powerful Aspen Institute, financed by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Carnegie Foundation, and Ford Foundation. It's President/CEO, Walter Isaacson, is the former Chairman/CEO of CNN and Managing-Editor of TIME Magazine. Isaacson is now Chairman of the Broadcasting Board of Governors, which controls the dissemination of US propaganda (Radio Free Europe, Voice of America, etc.). Isaacson is a Rhodes Scholar (British Agent).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen_Institute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Isaacson

The Aspen Institute was created by Walter Paepcke, the brother-in-law of Paul Nitze, a Knight of Malta and CFR member. Nitze was the finance director of the Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs (CIAA), and worked directly under Nelson Rockefeller. Under Harry Truman, he served for three years as the Director of Policy Planning for the State Department. From 1961 to 1963, Nitze was the Nitze Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs. From 1963 to 1967, Nitze was the Secretary of the Navy. From 1967 to 1969, he served as Deputy Secretary of Defense. From 1969 to 1973, he was a member of the U.S. delegation to the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT). From 1973 to 1976, he was Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Affairs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Paepcke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Nitze
http://www.nndb.com/people/361/000129971/

In addition to belonging to the shady, elite Aspen Institute, Doerr is on the board of Friendster, which is headed by FOX/NBC/Turner-Broadcasting media executive Scott Sassa. On it's board of directors is Jeffrey Katz, a top executive at American Airlines.
http://www.nndb.com/company/639/000119282/

Moving further, Anne Mather, another member of Google's board, had ties to KPMG in the 1980s. KPMG's links to 9/11 have already been discussed. Mather is also an executive of CFR/CIA-linked Disney, and a former AIG official.
http://www.nndb.com/people/145/000124770/

Qwest

Qwest is a law-enforcement/homeland-security/defense/air-traffic-control contractor.
http://www.qwest.com/business/federal-gov/

Qwest's headquarters are in Denver, an MI6/US-Military hub. Denver is near Columbine High School and the "spook community" that surrounds it.

Qwest is a partner of:
-Oracle (CIA front with links to 9/11)
-Sun Microsystems (Linked to Military/Intelligence/Defense/Google, Owned by Oracle)
-Cisco (Partner of top-level defense contractors, Linked to Flight 77 "passenger")
-Microsoft (NSA asset/front)
-Hewlett-Packard (Linked to the Military-Industrial Complex, Headed by Oracle Prez)
-Novell (Defense contractor)
-BAAN (Defense contractor)
-Onyx (Defense Contractor)
-Spectracorp (Defense contractor, Serves DHS/NASA/DOE/NIST/FAA/Fed-Reserve)
-Sunray Technology Ventures, Inc. (Partner of Cisco Systems)
-Mitel (Partner of CIA Oracle and NSA Microsoft)
-Data Processing Sciences Corporation (Cisco Partner)
http://qmarketplace.qwest.com/olympus/P ... rer.action

The CEO of Qwest is Edward A. Mueller, a Homeland Security adviser and president of SBC Communications' international operations from 1999 to 2000. In 1999, SBC Communications merged with AmeriTech, and Mueller headed AmeriTech from 2000 to 2002. SBC was originally Southwestern Bell, and Mueller had been President/CEO of Southwestern Bell from 1994 to 1997.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBC_Communications
http://www.nndb.com/people/095/000168588

During World War II, Southwestern Bell worked closely with the US Military, which 3,000 of it's employees were serving in.
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company- ... story.html

From 2001 to 2004, the President of SBC was William M. Daley (CFR member), the former US Secretary of Commerce and a graduate/trustee of Loyola University, the Jesuit institution of Chicago. While serving as SBC president, Daley was a director of Merck, the pharmaceutical giant connected to the production of deadly vaccines.
http://www.nndb.com/people/492/000055327/

Sprint

Sprint is a major telecommunications company and US Government contractor.
http://www.sprint.com/companyinfo/histo ... ne_01.html

It is a partner of:
-Northrop Grumman (Major defense contractor)
-Microsoft (NSA front)
-Cisco (9/11-linked partner of major defense contractors)
http://www.sprint.com/companyinfo/partnerships/

The Chief Financial Officer of Sprint is Robert Hurst, who spent 31 years working for General Electric, a major defense contractor and the owner of NBC.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_disp ... le_id=1478

On Sprint's board, we find William H. Swanson, the Chairman and CEO of Raytheon. Raytheon is a major defense contractor and directed-energy weaponry manufacturer with close ties to the 9/11 operation. Swanson is associated with the Navy League, Air Force Association, National Defense Industrial Association, and Aerospace Industries Association. He is a trustee of the Association of the US Army.
http://www.nndb.com/people/635/000125260/

Another member of Sprint's board is James H. Hance, Jr., a top figure at the Carlyle Group (Bush/Bin-Laden company and Defense Contractor). On 9/11, Hance was Vice Chairman and Chief Financial Officer of the Bank of America, which has ties to CameraPlanet and it's "9/11 video archive".
http://www.nndb.com/people/197/000164702/

Another member of Sprint's board is Gordon Bethune, a 20-year veteran of the US Navy and a powerful figure in Continental Airlines, a CIA front. Bethune was the vice-president for the Boeing Commercial Airplane Group. Boeing is a major defense contractor and directed-energy weaponry manufacturer. It has many connections to 9/11.
http://www.nndb.com/people/384/000127003/

For six months in 2005, Judith Muhlberg served as the Senior Vice President for Communications at Sprint. From 1999-2003, she served in the exact same position at Boeing, a major defense contractor and directed-energy weaponry manufacturer. Muhlberg was an aide to Dick Cheney in 1976 (When he was the White House Chief of Staff).
http://www.nndb.com/people/728/000164236/

XO Communications

XO Communications has close ties to the federal government.
http://www.xo.com/solutions/industry/go ... rview.aspx

The Chief Technology Officer of XO Communications is Randy Nicklas, who has worked for Los Alamos National Labs, NASA, and Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC).
http://www.xo.com/about/Pages/management.aspx

Doubleclick

Doubleclick is a subsidiary of Google, the intelligence connections of which have already been discussed at length. Among Doubleclick's clients is Microsoft (NSA/Bill-Gates).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoubleClick

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And, in conclusion, I would assert that the one word we cannot use to describe Theresa Renaud (Who is, again, the wife of a CBS producer) is "credible".


5) Simon put up a caption of photographer David Handschuh ‘I didn’t see the plane, although I was right beneath the tower.’ The towers got four sides, if he was on any other side looking up he wouldn’t have seen it, just the explosion.

His photograph illustrates his vantage point:

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He's looking directly towards the side where the "airplane" impacted. He was in a perfect position.


6) Now Simon moves to the live shot 3 WNYW FOX 5 ‘a picture from our chopper now arriving at the scene, Jim Freedle in Hoboken said it appeared to bank sharply and smash directly perhaps purposefully into; oh my goodness!'

That's Jim Friedl -- a FOX News operative who called in to pose as a "regular, ordinary New York eyewitness":
http://911logic.blogspot.com/2006/10/91 ... riedl.html

He was on the phone with the FOX team to report that a "big airplane" had hit the North Tower. This came shortly after Dick Oliver had interviewed four witnesses on the streets of New York, all of whom had accounts that contradicted the "airplane" story.

Simon’s showing us the fade to black that is a drop in transmission due the explosion effecting the towers power system and the transmission of pictures. All pictures have a delay when shown on TV, so someone faded to black when the pictures was lost and faded in the new broadcast; this is done all the time.

The "fade-to-black" does not occur at the time of the impact. This suggests that it is not the result of the transmission being effected by the impact or explosion.

When does it occur? Immediately after the exit of the nose.

‘God there’s another one, oh my goodness, there’s another one, now its obvious I think that there’s a second plane just crashed into the world trade centre, I think we have a terrorist act of proportions we cannot begin the imagine at this juncture!’ Simon puts the words ‘Prophetic words from Fox anchor Jim Ryan.

And rightly so -- "the terrorists" had struck the WTC in 1993, so they were striking it again with planes. That's all the "general public" had reason to believe.

Ryan's words amount to a Rumsfeld-esque "This isn't over" prediction, and later:
--The Pentagon would suffer an attack of some sort.
--"Something" would happen in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.


7) Simon now put up the caption ‘as we will see now, ‘The Terrorists’ made some Crude Mistakes’ This had no basis so far because Simon hasn’t shown anything untoward that cannot be explained.

To the contrary, I think quite a bit of issues have been touched on thus far that can best be described as "unexplained":

--How did Vince miss an airplane flying across the screen? What else would he be looking at? If he isn't looking at the screen, then why does he react to the explosion immediately?

--Why doesn't Winston's microphone pick up an airplane sound, and why does he believe that "the building exploded" if there was a low-flying airplane creating a deafening noise over New York?

--Who is talking to Theresa Renaud during her phone-call to CBS and what floor of the building is she on? Why does the building's view of the WTC strikingly similar to the view of the WTC provided by CNN?

--How does David Handschuh miss the airplane when he is standing directly beneath the World Trade Center, looking up at the side of the building where the "airplane" supposedly entered?

--Why is Jim Friedl, a FOX News operative, pretending to be a run-of-the-mill eyewitness from New York?

--If the "fade-to-black" is caused by the impact/explosion, then why does it "wait" until the nose-out occurs?

8) Simon’s next caption ‘Let’s focus our attention on this FOX-TV SHOT’ So we will and see what Simon's got next; Simon’s going on about a three step zoom, when there is only 2 and a bit, the zoom on these camera are high tech compared to your average camera, so nothings out of place here.

There are clearly three zoom-ins -- the length of each doesn't change anything. There are two big zoom-ins, then one smaller zoom-in.

The issue here is that camera zooms in thrice just prior to the "airplane impact", and the "airplane" comes into frame as soon as the the third zoom-in is finished.

Then he admits that you see a plane with the caption ‘You just saw an airplane crashing into the south tower’ I agree we just did.

A former CBS president's words show us why it is unwise to take video evidence at face-value:

He noted that advances in computer-generated techniques had made things like missiles hitting Baghdad and airplanes crashing look so real that it was incumbent on networks to underscore that these were not real images.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.j ... 300heyward

Then he put up the caption ‘Yet, you may agree that any plane...will not crash through a steel building...emerging the other side with its nose intact.’ No one has tested to see what a large body jet will do when crashing into a building.

But I think common-sense tells us that a light-weight nosecone cannot pierce through an entire steel floor pan.

But let us refer to the more adept:

Joe Keith -- Retired Aerospace Engineer
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=9 ... er_resigns

To this day, Keith maintains that the videos are fake because:
"Airplanes don't meld into steel buildings, they crash against them!"

Simon’s using deceptive language calling the building steel, the building is made from more than steel, glass, concrete, aluminium, and many other compounds, but the main point is the plane had plenty of gaps between the steel beams that only glass prevented a path to the inside.

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The "plane" had to pierce through steel columns and steel-reinforced concrete floor pans.

How can you say with a straight face that the nose of the plane came out the other side, this is not what we see in the video, there is an explosion in every direction, the first bit of the escaping gasses blast out, not in a nose shape at all. Then he goes on to prove that they don’t match, if you look carefully enough.

Not in a nose shape at all? I strongly disagree. Take a look at the following image:

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Some nose-ins and nose-outs are presented here. Without consulting the video, attempt to separate the "noses" from the "dust clouds".

Furthermore, watch Simon Shack's "NOSED OUT":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5-xcvv_fRQ

It is clear that the video shows the nosecone exiting -- if it was a dust cloud, then it would have to be a nosecone-shaped dust cloud, and one that maintained it's nosecone shape, edges, outline, and all, while it takes a downward turn.

Furthermore, why isn't there any hole on the other side of the building?

9) Simon then makes the unfounded statement that ‘we may thus establish that this airplane cannot be a Real Airplane,’

I don't think it's unfounded -- examine the footage:
1) A three-step zoom-in, with the "plane" appearing immediately after the third zoom.
2) A washed-out, "yellow" background, despite the fact that it was a clear morning.
3) A plane that is not in the wide-shot when it should be.
4) A plane that is traveling at an impossible speed.
5) A plane that "glitches" on it's approach, and bleeds over the Tower before "entering".
6) A plane that has it's nosecone exit the other side of the building.

Based on all of this, I find myself inclined to make the same conclusion:
We are not watching a real airplane.

A: There wasn’t any video trickery because you haven’t shown that the planes fake! Now we get his take on how it could be faked, of course he misses the fact that the plane is in the wide shot. He demonstrates with a graphic plane inserted that really does look fake and world fool no one.

The plane is in the wide shot? Where? Anthony Lawson's video is fake -- no previously seen version of the FOX5 footage contains that "ball" in the wide shot.


10) Amazingly he does help the viewer see that it was exploding gasses, when he show you the video with caption ‘(final 6 seconds of two other shots) you see the out gassing that travels out of the building but this time from another angle. You could see how that might be mistaken for a plane nose shape, but is clearly seen as a cloud of dust and followed by the explosion that we see exactly in the nose out shot (so called)

"NOSED OUT" leaves little room for debate here. FOX5 shows the nose exiting the building.

As for these other videos? These were released later, and are fakes themselves (as can be proven through other anomalies).

It's likely that the "dust-cloud" was included in these later fakes as a damage-control effort. An attempt to explain the nose-out as a "dust cloud".

Will continue later.
MrBatsh$t

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I've now got to look through 84Gb of 9/11 footage, so I'll be doing that for the time being. SimonJCP you make some good points and I will go over them when I've done watching all the new videos.
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I take it back, Simonjcp; much appreciate your info-packed response to the Joker.
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Mr Batsht,

I asked you a simple question yesterday. You have simply ignored it, yet you keep posting here and there, spamming this forum with batshit. I have given you a fair chance to present your case and can only say you have convinced me of two facts:

1. You have no case and have not debunked one iota of this research.

2. You're here only to waste everyone's time.

You're very silly screen name instantly told me all I needed to know about you - but I let you troll this forum for a few days so as to showcase what sort of counter-arguments our detractors might come up with . It's been revealing - and I warmly thank you for contributing to highlight the validity of our work.

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My sincere (and non-ironic) thanks go to SimonJCP for demonstrating what serious and no-nonsense research is all about.
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Unread post by hoi.polloi »

I have to point this out.

Asking "you actually believe this is fake video?" does not amount to debunking. It simply phrases the question of doubt as a rhetorical comment.

It's a simple question: do you believe all the video of 9/11 is actually created on a computer to resemble different things that it is not ('amateur video' style, 'news broadcast' style, 'live interview' style, etc.)?

The simple answer is yes. Yes, it is all created initially on computers by people who want to style the video as what it is not. The main 'attack' on 9/11 was an OODA loop paralyzer to keep people in logistic arguments that lead nowhere - such as the many you have offered as example (and which you quaintly call 'debunking').

The reason for the wide diversity of fake video styles is for the perpetrators of the financial and political events on 9/11 to stay hidden.

In order to make up for the total lack of actual, credible, real video of what took place on 9/11, they had to replace it with their custom-made pre-fabricated version.

I am actually impressed with how much patience has been shown you, though it is not clear whether your intentions are as honest as you claim they are.
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Unread post by Maat »

Excellent expository confutation there, SimonJCP! Well done B)

SimonJCP 4 Oct 4 2010, 05:42 AM wrote: [...]
Not in a nose shape at all? I strongly disagree. Take a look at the following image:

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Some nose-ins and nose-outs are presented here. Without consulting the video, attempt to separate the "noses" from the "dust clouds". [...]
Particularly impressed by that visual 'nose out' vs "dust cloud" Batsht-shill Test :D Rorschach would approve, I'm sure.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ? George Orwell
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Re: A proper trolling

Unread post by hoi.polloi »

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April 2018 UPDATE: New update to this old trolling.
We lost the original title of this thread though I have now decided to call it "A proper trolling" because that is what it appears to be.

For some odd reason this thread came with no imported statistics of the user and the user name can be renamed which is not a normal way for editing to happen on our phpBB forum. Maybe nonhocapito knows something about this. I discovered this after going through our archives and adding somewhat relevant titles for all the threads where we lost the original title information during the database transfer. Instead of just a blank place to edit the title a new window as it appears for all other users, this new box appeared showing the ability to edit the user name.

But just in case it's something particularly odd, I have posted my screen:
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I don't want to think our zetaboards forum was hacked but is it a possibility? Or is this just some strangeness due to the database transfer? Or did we delete the user and this is what happens to posts that are retained?
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