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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby pov603 on Wed May 09, 2018 12:52 pm

Certain topics seem to have become "mired" in debate rather than have data provided with comment/description for discussion.
This tends to make for a more academic read than one of intrigue, discovery and wonder.
I'm not advocating that discussions get "dumbed down" but some topics have become less interesting to read at certain stages partly because some have become primarily opinion-driven.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby CluedIn on Wed May 09, 2018 1:58 pm

There are a few of us who keep the board a little active here and there. I had been trying to post some information on various threads, but after posting so many times and having nobody reply, it gets a little lonely.

I check the board almost every day and its very disappointing not to see new posts. Omaxsteve has been posting some good threads, but hardly any replies (including myself - as I don't have a lot to add at the moment).

Also, some of these newbies on here lately don't post anything or little after the initial post - which I find odd for new members. You can read the board without being a member, so why join?

Just my 2 cents :)

On another note, Simon, I am awestruck by your Tychos work. Although that subject is not my forte, I do love reading about all of your research, and about the liars who pushed shotty science down our throats as fact.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby omaxsteve on Wed May 09, 2018 10:02 pm

simonshack » May 9th, 2018, 6:17 am wrote:*

I'm scratching my head as to why this forum's activity has dwindled in the past few months. What may possibly have caused this?

I'll be grateful for any thoughts on this issue - from old and new forum members alike.

In the meanwhile, here's a song I wrote and recorded with my band about three years ago - which now sounds to me sort of 'foresighted'...

https://thesocialservice1.bandcamp.com/ ... er-of-time


Nice song, Simon. I, too, often wonder why no one is listening/paying attention.

I believe that the reason the activity on this forum has dwindled is that it has lost it's focus. The reason why people gathered here and shared their thoughts and opinions in the first place was due to their interest in learning and exposing the media fakery that is so prevalent in our society. Without a doubt, this was, and still is, by far and away the best place to get the "real" story behind 9-11, The Boston Marathon, and Sandy Hook. When those events were staged, CluesForum was the first, and most comprehensive, source to turn to be informed, analyze, and discuss the fakery. In more recent times this has not been the case.

I just looked at some statistics:

Sandy Hook (2012)- Over 1,500 Posts - over 1 million views
Boston marathon (2013) - Over 1,300 Posts , over 1 million views
Bataclan; (2015) 390 Posts - 275,000 Views

Pulse gay Bar ( 2016) 146 posts -- 94,000 Views
Las Vegas Concert (2017)- 153 posts ---94,000 Views
Manchester Arena 2017) 69 Posts --- 35, 000 Views
Westminster lone wolf (2017); 43 Posts - 25,000 Views
Times square NY car ramming; (2017) 4 posts
Parkland Florida School Shooting ( 2018)- 32 posts - 20,000 view
Toronto Van attack- (2018) 9 posts

( It appears that the "dwindling" interest is not a recent phenomenon, but something that has started a few years back.)

It seems that in recent days, the media faked disaster/terror events have become so common that there is little interest, at least among Clues Forum members, in exposing them. Considering that the major internet sites, such as YouTube, and Facebook, and even Google searches, are now heavily censored, and the channels of many "truth" posters are difficult to find and/or being shut down, it is a shame that people are not turning to Clues Forum to post there findings and analysis. If I had to guess as to the primary reasons, I would say, in no particular order, the following are some of the reasons for the decrease in activity:

1) Hostility and rudeness to new posters- Some of which come with good intentions - but have not yet fully realized the extent of the fakery.
2) Major expert researchers such as yourself (Simon), Hoi, etc,) showing little, or no, interest in the more recent staged events
3) General direction of forum discussion has turned to topics with less appeal to those originally drawn here to explore media fakery,
e.g. Holocaust, ISS/NASA, Science and Astronomy.

To summarize, there are still a good number of researchers posting information and videos about the latest Psy-ops, analyzing the media fakery, dissecting the "victim" lists, etc. Unfortunately, they are just not doing it here.

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Observer on Wed May 09, 2018 10:13 pm

simonshack wrote:
I'll be grateful for any thoughts on this issue - from old and new forum members alike.


Dear community members, after 3 years of silent reading, I felt inspired to reply to Simon's recent posts:

Dear Simon,

About quieting, the first thing that comes to mind, is the "debate ending" nature of correctly-stated truth.
Meaning, for each subject/thread, after the main truth has been stated correctly, it really is "case closed."
People often only post to a thread to point out mistakes / missing information. Quiet can mean well-done.

For example, you showed the "victim" depictions are an entire floor each: double the 2.2m WTC windows.
You proved those official "victim" depictions broadcast on September 11th 2001 were: "footage" forgeries.
So the official "victim" "footage" was forged and nothing else posted on that subject/thread can change that.

Attempts at "disproving" that conclusion are a waste of time: either the new post is being malicious or naïve.
And late-comers maliciously or naïvely make debate/old-idea posts which the thread long ago already covered.
All debate/old-idea posts on that particular subject/thread should of course be appropriately moved as derailing.
(A nice programmable site-feature would auto-require scrolling *every* page *slowly*, before an IP can post!)

The only possible logical posts about that particular conclusion are basically, "Thanks" and "Wow, now I feel..."
Even such positive posts are often self-filtered by considerate folks (i.e. not posted) for that adds nothing new.

So, the above example about one particular conclusion, applies to the 1000s of conclusions you have proven.
ALL the faked "terror" videos, all the faked "nuclear bomb" videos, all the faked "humans in space" videos, etc.
If there were evidence to disprove your well-proven conclusions, folks would post it, but otherwise: case-closed.

That's my main thought about gradual quieting in general, it's logical. Now, about even further quieting recently:

In the area of media-fakery (terror-fakery) probably most folks who acknowledge it: grow tired of pointing it out.
Meaning, such folks know real revolutionary acts would never be broadcast and know all media "terror" is faked.

(Real revolutionary acts: growing/raising own food, trading own goods/services, not helping rich owners get richer.)
(Real revolutionary acts: fairly gratefully donating to good creators altruistically sharing services freely in advance.)
(Real revolutionary acts: at the very least, refusing to be friends with or work for any immorally-wealthy super-rich.)
(Real revolutionary acts: for advanced justice equally redistributing the assets of any immorally-wealthy super-rich.)
(Real revolutionary acts: absolutely NEVER killing or hurting any human who is NOT immorally-wealthy super-rich.)

The ruling criminals - bank / corporation / government owners - produce fake-revolution fake-rebellion videos daily.
The super-rich have a trillion times more bribery resources so their daily terror-fakery ability can easily waste time.

So people grow tired of watching and proving fake: each of these media-pushed (and "amateur"-pushed) videos.
The videos all prove themselves fake with impossible inconsistencies, bad actors, badly-simulated "humans", etc.

And even without even watching the videos, the premise itself of "humans often kill innocent humans" is incorrect.
The mutant 00.01% (the immorally-wealthy super-rich sociopaths) are the only ones who often kill innocent people.
The normal 99.99% of humans only kill for self-defense, or for justice, or to survive when starved by the super-rich.

And even when forced into such a situation where there is a reason for killing, 99.99% of humans still can't or won't.
People don't kill innocent humans much. And sadly, people don't even kill killers much. People have been bred meek.

Anyway, Clues readers now know ALL "terror" stories are fake, which explains less posts about each story recently.

Finally, about the subject of Tychos, here are reasons why people might be quiet about your courageous discovery:

As mentioned above, when there is no evidence to prove a conclusion wrong, considerate people just read quietly.

Also, there are a few (very few) former posters who are (illogically) protesting the subject by refusing to post at all.

Some (like me) are enjoying quietly reading and thinking about all your posts here at Clues Forum and Tychos.info.

Some (like me) still planning to save enough monopoly-money next salary to donate for the book plus 3D access.

And finally, a logical reason for quiet is: your 5-year collection of real evidence deserves reading and thinking time.

And really finally, here is an opinion I would like to share, about your courageous announcement of your discovery:

Now, it's easy to call out fake "footage" and fake "victims" in official videos, thanks to You & Hoi & Brian & others.
Thanks to the past decade of evidence shown at the Reality Shack and Clues Forum, calling out fakes is easy now.

Of course it still requires courage to proclaim, "an officially-pushed majority-accepted video/story/concept is wrong."
My point here now is: in general it is relatively easier to say "something is wrong" than to say "my new idea is right."

It's easier to say "official 9/11 story wrong" than to say "specific techniques were used to prevent real WTC footage."
By actually putting forth a theory about what actually happened, one feels pressure to get detailed about the method.

It takes courage to state "smoke-machines used, to obscure empty WTC, before standard from-bottom-demolition."
It takes courage to state "1000s of mini-jammers were placed throughout and surrounding Manhattan, not 1 big one."
It takes courage to state "such prevention-techniques, combined with overt & covert non-electronic film confiscation."

After one has made such statements, those who don't want to admit real-footage was prevented will reply: "Prove it."
The proof is: NO real-footage of standard from-the-bottom-demo has ever appeared. Only the fake top-down-demo.
So the official "footage" and the "amateur footage" are thus all proven fake and yes: any real-footage was prevented.

It takes courage to state "9/11 videos are fake", and it takes MORE courage to add: "9/11 real-footage doesn't exist."
It takes courage to state "no planes hit WTC", it takes MORE courage to add: "WTC was empty & all 'victims' faked."

It takes courage to state "NASA lies about space", it takes MORE courage to add "Here is Earth's actual movement."
I highly respect that you painstakingly collected observations for 5 years and then courageously shared your findings.

Clues Forum has boldly shown ample evidence disproving the official stories/videos/claims - much gratitude for that.
And now you've courageously presented evidence of your discovery: "Earth moves at 1 mph, and the sun around it."

And so far, though most are slow to acknowledge this new discovery, no-one has presented evidence to the contrary.

And even if some small detailed points were to be proven mistaken, that would still not disprove your 1-mph model.
In my opinion, your proof about the clearly-observed "loops" of planets, is more important (!) than tiny star parallax.

The clearly-observed "loops" of planets proves your 1-mph model, even if star parallax is too tiny for normal eyes.
We should not assume that those elite few with precision telescope access can be trusted, even those of yesteryear.
It's possible that even hundreds of years ago red-herrings have been planted within the official tiny parallax accounts.

Already your 1-mph model has proven itself better at explaining the evidence-for-all-eyes-to-see planet "loops".
Copernican 67,000-mph model has absurd speed-changes, and admittedly, Concave has absurd direction-changes.
To explain the apparent "loops", claiming literal loops: http://www.youtube.com/embed/voigXx3QP8 ... revideos=0 @10:28

Your Tychos 1-mph model shows Mars' perfectly circular orbit (around the sun) does NOT change speed or direction.
Your model shows Mars' perfectly circular orbit, combined with the sun's orbit of Earth, causes the "loops" observed.

http://septclues.com/TYCHOS/BinarySyste ... rth_01.jpg
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/027 ... zel_01.jpg
http://youtube.com/embed/zkwaGvTm_tY?re ... revideos=0 @7:35
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/028 ... red_02.jpg
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/030 ... 46days.jpg

And your Tychos model shows Venus' perfectly circular orbit (around the sun) does NOT change speed or direction.
Your model shows Venus' perfectly circular orbit, also combines with the sun's orbit of Earth, to cause its "loops" too.

http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/031 ... son_01.jpg
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/032 ... son_01.jpg
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/033 ... 16days.jpg

And your Tychos model shows Mercury's perfectly circular orbit (around the sun) does not change speed or direction.
Your model shows Mercury's perfectly circular orbit, combines with the sun's orbit of Earth, to cause the "loops" seen.

So I hope I can help inspire more illustrations of your parallax points, but your model does not DEPEND on parallax.

Let's revisit your first illustration of Jim looking at one collection of stars & Joe looking a different collection of stars:
I love your 1st illustration: http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/137 ... HOS_02.jpg

Thus a relatively-close-star on the LEFT-side (perpendicular-to-Earth's-1mph-movement) will show negative-parallax.
And a relatively-close-star on the RIGHT-side (perpendicular-to-Earth's-1mph-movement) will show positive-parallax.

So, a relatively-close-star that is the MOST perpendicular to-Earth's-1mph-movement will show the MOST parallax.

Meaning, the nearby LEFT-side star which Joe sometimes sees at his midnight will show the most negative-parallax.
And thus, the nearby RIGHT-side star which Joe sometimes sees at his midnight will show the most positive-parallax.
(Earth spins in this model, so we all see LEFT-side stars sometimes, and we all see RIGHT-side stars sometimes.)

Step 1: figure out which stars are on the LEFT-side perpendicular-to-Earth's-1mph-movement, as in illustration A.
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/137 ... HOS_02.jpg This is absolutely vital.

Step 2: figure out which stars are on the RIGHT-side perpendicular-to-Earth's-1mph-movement, as in illustration A.
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/137 ... HOS_02.jpg This is absolutely vital.

Step 3: figure out WHICH midnights happen to allow your location to face perfectly LEFT-of-Earth's-movement.
NOT every midnight allows your location to do this. Some midnights will have you facing right, or forward, or back.
Interested observers need to figure WHEN facing-the-LEFT-side-stars-perfectly, exactly-at-midnight, ever occurs.
Facing-the-LEFT-side-stars-perfectly, exactly-at-midnight, is essential (!) to avoid the problems in this illustration:
http://septclues.com/TYCHOS/JOE_JIM_TOM ... xes_01.jpg The variance of times & directions causes wrong results.

Step 4: figure out WHICH midnights happen to allow your location to face perfectly RIGHT-of-Earth's-movement.
NOT every midnight allows your location to do this. Some midnights will have you facing left, or forward, or back.
Interested observers need to figure WHEN facing-the-RIGHT-side-stars-perfectly, exactly-at-midnight, ever occurs.
Facing-the-RIGHT-side-stars-perfectly, exactly-at-midnight, is essential (!) to avoid the problems in this illustration:
http://septclues.com/TYCHOS/JOE_JIM_TOM ... xes_01.jpg The variance of times & directions causes wrong results.

See: if Earth moves 7018km per 6 months, one MUST first figure out which stars are LEFT, which stars are RIGHT.
(Don't worry, LEFT-side stars will stay on the left-side-of-Earth's-movement for many hundreds/thousands of years.)
(Similarly, RIGHT-side stars will stay on the right-side-of-Earth's-movement for many hundreds/thousands of years.)

So, one must observe the LEFT-side stars: when they align perfectly perpendicular to earth's movement at midnight!
And one must observe the RIGHT-side stars when they align perfectly perpendicular to earth's movement at midnight!

I am currently adding, frame by frame, to your 2D model, WHEN does midnight even occur, by adding full-moon info.
Then I will figure out when true-LEFT is seen at midnight, and when true-RIGHT is at midnight, from various locations.

But still, the Tychos is not tied to star parallax results. It's possible ALL parallax accounts were corrupt and/or flawed.
Everyone was just willy-nilly pointing in random directions without first figuring out which direction Earth moves 1 mph.
And everyone was just willy-nilly observing at random times without realizing perpendicular midnight viewings are vital.

http://www.septclues.com/TYCHOS/JOE_JIM ... xes_01.jpg Again, variance of times & directions causes wrong results.

Real parallax requires: true-LEFT-side stars when they align perfectly perpendicular to earth's movement at midnight.
Real parallax requires: true-RIGHT-side stars when they align perfectly perpendicular to earth's movement at midnight.

First: which stars are on the left-side (the outside of Earth's PVTP movement) and which midnights one can see them.
And: which stars are on the right-side (the inside of Earth's PVTP movement) and which midnights one can see them.

But again, let me close with saying: the world's first real parallax tests as described above might show ZERO parallax.
Yep, limiting the direction to true-left and true-right, only at perfectly-perpendicular midnight, MIGHT show NO parallax.
Taking perfectly-perpendicular midnight photos might prove: all previous "parallax" due to "time & direction variances."
I just want to mention that possibility, of the upcoming perfectly-perpendicular midnight photos proving a big surprise.
In which case stars would be very strange! But even then, Tychos explains planet "loops" better than any other model.
And chances are high that the perfectly-perpendicular midnight pics will show what your Tychos 1-mph model predicts:
If left-side-stars consistently show negative-parallax & right-side-stars consistently show positive-parallax: you did it!
With 1 illustration, showing perpendicular-left and perpendicular-right, you solved the parallax paradox of the millennia.
http://www.tychos.info/book_imagery/137 ... HOS_02.jpg Earth's 1-mph movement (!)

Respect and Gratitude (and human family Love) to you Simon,

From a fellow human just trying to understand reality, "Observer" :-)

I promise I will NOT push the concave theory anymore. I am currently enjoying allowing your idea to grow in my mind.
Hopefully you can forgive those 8 stupid "concave" posts. Below are my better posts, the thoughts I proudly stand by:

viewtopic.php?p=2393981#p2393981 (post 1)
viewtopic.php?p=2394012#p2394012 (post 4)
viewtopic.php?p=2394296#p2394296 (post 9)
viewtopic.php?p=2394301#p2394301 (post 11)
viewtopic.php?p=2394355#p2394355 (post 21)
viewtopic.php?p=2394384#p2394384 (post 23)
viewtopic.php?p=2394394#p2394394 (post 24)
viewtopic.php?p=2394418#p2394418 (post 25)
viewtopic.php?p=2394434#p2394434 (post 26)
viewtopic.php?p=2394536#p2394536 (post 29)
viewtopic.php?p=2394561#p2394561 (post 31)
viewtopic.php?p=2394565#p2394565 (post 32)
viewtopic.php?p=2394566#p2394566 (post 33)
viewtopic.php?p=2394600#p2394600 (post 36)
viewtopic.php?p=2394607#p2394607 (post 37)
viewtopic.php?p=2394614#p2394614 (post 38)
viewtopic.php?p=2394617#p2394617 (post 39)
viewtopic.php?p=2394622#p2394622 (post 40)
viewtopic.php?p=2394639#p2394639 (post 41)
viewtopic.php?p=2394645#p2394645 (post 42)
viewtopic.php?p=2394647#p2394647 (post 43)
viewtopic.php?p=2394653#p2394653 (post 45)
viewtopic.php?p=2394684#p2394684 (post 46)
viewtopic.php?p=2394692#p2394692 (post 47)
viewtopic.php?p=2394699#p2394699 (post 48)
viewtopic.php?p=2394705#p2394705 (post 49)
viewtopic.php?p=2395277#p2395277 (post 61)

OK, to Hoi and all others, I promise to not post much, and when I do post I will keep it much shorter than this novella. ;) Peace :)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby patrix on Thu May 10, 2018 6:15 am

Good points Observer. Yes, as the consensus spreads, so does the silence. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a "U-boat", and only read. But I think it's important to keep in mind how the world arrived at this place - We've allowed sociopaths take control of our media. And Cluesforum can be seen as the first example in a very long time of media that has not been destroyed by the efforts of these sociopaths. So if you are a "lurker" and think Cluesforum and Simon's work is important, please support it.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Observer on Thu May 10, 2018 6:40 am

patrix wrote:
Cluesforum and Simon's work is important, please support it.


Yep, the real revolutionary act of gratefully donating fairly to a good creator who altruistically shares services.

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby simonshack on Thu May 10, 2018 11:42 am

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Dear all,

Thanks for your replies and thoughtful insights into the issue. And yes, I do realize that my own scarcity of contributions to the forum (in later times) may be 'part of the problem'. I must confess that (apart from being deeply absorbed by my Tychos model), I have also just been rolling my eyes at the incredible lameness of the Nutwork's more recent 'brand' of psyops (truck & car "attacks", frustrated plastic lady Youtube shooter, Hockey team road crash drama [well-covered over at Fakeologist],etc) and have simply lacked the energy and time to address them all - preferring to keep my head in (or above) the clouds so as to concentrate on my 'cosmic investigations'... However, that's just me (traversing a peculiar phase of my '360° researcher life') and, as lame as they are, all the aforementioned psyops certainly deserve to be analyzed and exposed as being part of the repulsive sociopathic scheme devised by the 'rulers' of this world.

Sadly (yet this is not to admit defeat!), the repetitive power of this massive, ongoing (multi-billion $) psyop scheme may be its greatest "strength", as the efforts of normal (inquisitive) people such as this forum's valiant contributors may eventually wane due to sheer exhaustion. This is hoping we can overcome this natural, inherent weakness of human nature, and keep doing what we've done here at Cluesforum for this last decade - lest our children have to "start from scratch" all over again! Whatever will be the case in the future (and however future generations will judge it), I will remain jolly proud of having started this discussion board - with Hoi Polloi's precious help: we both called it an "experiment" at the time. Well, this (now almost decade-long) grassroot experiment seems to have been, all things considered, a darn good one - and if you'll allow me to paraphrase an infamous quote, it's been "a small step for a man - but a giant leap for mankind". ^_^

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Flabbergasted on Thu May 10, 2018 2:19 pm

simonshack wrote:I'm scratching my head as to why this forum's activity has dwindled in the past few months. What may possibly have caused this?

Simon, I was going to write a long post to answer your question, but the posters above (especially pov603, omaxsteve and observer) raised many excellent points that don´t need fleshing out.

I will however say: the #1 reason for the dwindling activity on the forum was your growing absence during - what was it, a couple of years? Whether you like it or not, you are the life-blood of this forum. Your absence was necessary, and a price well worth paying for the delivery of the Tychos baby, but it goes to show that CF is not self-sustainable, although, to be fair, the membership and moderatorship did a pretty good job keeping the torch aflame.

Another reason not mentioned in the posts above is that the CF membership is on average older (more mature) than the membership of Fakeologist and other forums. This translates into more quality/knowledge and less stamina/eagerness. People aged, say, 45-65 years do not have unlimited stores of energy and time to do research on media fakery and engage in discussions requiring multiple replies a day. Especially not after the umpteenth psyop has been unmasked.

The reaction to the Tychos model is an entirely different matter. Basically, I believe that many members (myself included) have not yet been able to install the Tychosium in our brains to the point where we can make a useful contribution. The fruit of 5 years of painstaking study is hardly digested in a few weeks.

[tiny edit - I had forgotten the word "pyre" is used for funerals; I simply meant "flame"]
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby hoi.polloi on Thu May 10, 2018 6:34 pm

I think that is a lot of good feedback.

Observer wrote:Of course it still requires courage to proclaim, "an officially-pushed majority-accepted video/story/concept is wrong."
My point here now is: in general it is relatively easier to say "something is wrong" than to say "my new idea is right."

It's easier to say "official 9/11 story wrong" than to say "specific techniques were used to prevent real WTC footage."
By actually putting forth a theory about what actually happened, one feels pressure to get detailed about the method.


Yes, this makes sense.

Users have already pointed out the reasons for reactions to our behavior. But how do we explain our behavior? As admins?

I think we can explain this relatively simply: the honeymoon period is over. We were really infatuated with our experiment; it proved to be a success; now it's a functional formula for freeing people's minds from hypnotic propaganda (of those who want to be free and who can be free from it). Now, according to stats programs we get 10,000 to 12,000 unique users per month at most, down from maybe twice that at popular times.

It is ordinary. We are a population of people who actively seek the new and new ways of thinking. CluesForum becomes familiar. Now it is a well-trodden path of hundreds of people — perhaps millions if we believe the unique visitors stat now approaching a count of 2 million. And this doesn't include the media spun out from CluesForum discoveries. Our type of person may be the kind that makes a discovery, gets excited about it, then moves on. What more is there to say? Now we are just a dusty old Clues University which takes just a few paragraphs to "earn" for yourself and only certain types of people in this world want any such degree. A free degree that qualifies you in your own mind is not as appealing as a degree that puts you in debt up to your eyeballs so that you can be seen as more intelligent in the minds of others. Hence, the glow of CluesForum fades a bit as time goes on.

Nevertheless, it is like micro-cultures on a hiking trail (complete with trail names, albeit bestowed on ourselves instead of given by fellow travelers) or the kinds of one-word drifter names we might pick up if temporarily moving to a commune or hobo encampment. Simon used the machete on the forest of lies and now there is a little trail that is less exciting because we've already been there. We came and conquered our own fears, and now what is left for us to do? Start a religion to direct people to the pilgrimage? I think 99.99% of us would say: "No thanks!"

The trail is there, now. People will continue to decorate it, widen it, respect it, share it with friends, and hopefully not leave any litter, garbage or vandalism behind.

But as to when "hiking season" picks up again on the CluesForum journey? That's just up to nature now. You can be sure the reason all the limited hangout "pop up shops" at the trailhead are there to redirect people to more worn and "costly" methods of navigating and caring for the world (such as trusting TV, bad YouTube, discredit-by-association campaigns, honeypots, New Age readerships, etc. etc. etc. or even legitimate lines of research that are just more interesting than sharpening your own senses and critical thinking skills) is because that's what people want.

We could stand to be as vigilant about every single PsyOp as we were in the past. (Check out the 200-page Oslo/Utoya terror thread or the Fukushima thread for examples of dissecting modern PsyOps as it was done 7 years ago) and that would probably make people feel we are as active again, but let's face it. Even admins have "moved on" from the discovery of media fakery to pet projects and interests. Luckily, an awakening seems to be taking place and that's a good thing. Our divergence from the original goals doesn't mean CluesForum will change much, I expect; it will just be a little more quiet and a little more expectantly waiting for contributions rather than interest in strictly the posts of the admins.

We'll still be here, the old people of the trail, tidying and picking up and answering questions. But the map is pretty much self-explanatory now. The beauty is that it never closes. It's open to the global public 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And whenever someone wants to check it out, we'll be here.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby simonshack on Thu May 10, 2018 6:53 pm

Flabbergasted wrote:[tiny edit - I had forgotten the word "pyre" is used for funerals; I simply meant "flame"]


Dear Flabbergasted,

You could just as well have kept the "pyre" word, so as to signify that our plucky efforts here on this forum have lit the pyre to (slowly but surely) incinerate the countless lies and liars infesting this otherwise beautiful world of ours... May this fire be kept alive - for as long as needed. And may reason prevail. -_-
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Happy Bike To Work Day

Postby Undoctored on Thu May 10, 2018 8:32 pm

Happy Bike To Work Day!

Last year it fell on May 11, and here in the San Francisco Bay Area it was sponsored in part by “511.org” — as you may know “511” is the number you dial for traffic information, so I thought, how clever! But this year it's May 10, so I wondered if it had been just a coincidence. Was the holiday originally on May 11 and now it's just the second Thursday in May? Couldn't find an answer to that question but the Internet agrees that the holiday was established in 1956 (5+6 = 11 of course).

Don't know what this proves, but I hope you all enjoy the ride!
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Re: Happy Bike To Work Day

Postby Coldacre on Thu May 10, 2018 9:34 pm

one small but maybe significant thing; since the Florida shooting I have been popping in over the last 3 months on a regular basis trying to find a thread on it. I expected to see it with all the other threads of a similar nature (“London, Oslo & Madrid...” or “worldwide media deceptions”) but I’ve only just found it now.... hiding in that tiny “local psyops” sub forum right down the bottom.

I do love this forum but it is perhaps not laid out and easy to navigate as it could be. after all.... local psyops are in Melbourne, Australia for some ;)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby hoi.polloi on Fri May 11, 2018 1:55 am

Undoctored wrote:Happy Bike To Work Day!

Last year it fell on May 11, and here in the San Francisco Bay Area it was sponsored in part by “511.org” — as you may know “511” is the number you dial for traffic information, so I thought, how clever! But this year it's May 10, so I wondered if it had been just a coincidence. Was the holiday originally on May 11 and now it's just the second Thursday in May? Couldn't find an answer to that question but the Internet agrees that the holiday was established in 1956 (5+6 = 11 of course).

Don't know what this proves, but I hope you all enjoy the ride!


Undoctored, I happen to be in the Mission area of San Francisco recently. Would you want to meet up some time? I love meeting CluesForum members! If you want, please feel free to send me a message to: hoi . polloi at mail . com

B)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby patrix on Fri May 11, 2018 9:50 am

Very interesting reflections on Cluesforum and what it has achieved. As a fairly new arriver, about 2 years now, I see how my own understanding of the world has increased more these years than in the last decades before that. There are very apparently intentional derailing of the collective expansion of human knowledge and giant hoaxes have been played out through history and especially in the last century with the hypnotic power of media.

The motive as I see it is the old saying - knowledge is power. A small group of people try to find ways to benefit from knowledge by actively keeping other groups away from it. And the moral and ethics we follow are non existent to them in this endeavor. Something that I suspect will lead to a very problematic situation for them when the awareness of this increases, which it is does for every day that passes. And I believe it becomes harder for them to "cover their tracks" in this world of global communication.

Simon's latest project which I'm involved in as you probably know, is extremely fascinating since it shows how astronomy was at a much better state in the 17th century than it is today. Simon was able to see this and to use his exceptional logic and reasoning to add a new discovery to the annals of Astronomy - The Earths PVP orbit. And the very first planetarium that is in accordance with actual observations of the planets and stars have now been built because of this. Although a lot of work remains of course.

As for discovering and re-discovering real knowledge, I think the journey has just begun. The first discovery that had to be made and that paves the way for everything else is that mass media has nothing to do with dispersing knowledge and information. It has the exact opposite purpose. This is the age of de-enlightenment as someone so elegantly put it here a couple of weeks ago.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby hoi.polloi on Fri May 11, 2018 5:10 pm

patrix wrote:As for discovering and re-discovering real knowledge, I think the journey has just begun. The first discovery that had to be made and that paves the way for everything else is that mass media has nothing to do with dispersing knowledge and information.


Yes, patrix. Mass media is not for knowledge because it is a mood drug. The mood drug is designed to put certain cyclical loops of emotions in us. Fear, amusement, worry, relief, etc. in a scheduled pattern that can be exploited to move us towards totalitarian technocracy in the hands of the pirate leaders.

Some knowledge and information can come through the TV, in fact, but the purpose of this knowledge is to adjust our mood, either to appease those who like the knowledge or disturb those who don't; or both — and to study the results. The auspices of mass media are entertaining but the military function is opinion leadership in every segment of the targeted society.

However, that, it seems to me, was the best they could do to control people by mass dosing them with the entertainment drug. Before the Internet existed, they could hope to get us in behavioral loops by researching human behavior in experiments so they could reasonably guess how their signals would be received and how they would change mass behavior, send the emotional programming through entertainment (which is mostly just dumb entertainment with sweeping untruths but also the occasionally insinuated little specific lie) and then enact policy based on it and call it "democracy".

Many will disagree with me (Simon may even be the first) but I for one think that it's possible some positive changes have been reflected through mass media, including an imperfect multiculturalism and pseudo-tolerance of differences. We don't have another timeline to compare Earth's to but it seems that racism would be at an all time high in America right now if it were not for some attempts at acceptance pushed by television. You may argue that is for the best because America is, deep down, an extremely racist country that needs to face itself instead of pretending it's something it is not. I am not so sure about that argument, even though I've heard it. Indeed, TV also increases and heightens racism in its own strange ways. People learn things from TV if they are homebodies and don't go out and explore. You may say these people should leave their homes and learn from real life and I would reply to you that many will not learn about the world except through TV's distorted imperfect lens that creates its fascinating fears, hope, lies and distortions. Ideally, people get doses of real life instead of "Life: the Movie" but real life can be pretty fucking traumatizing too and it's cathartic for some to use media as a means of gaining confidence to approach real life again. (Though, of course, many do not recover and find themselves completely absorbed by the fiction as a surrogate for living! Let's not go into the other more destructive examples of drug use to escape reality.)

But as far as controlling such persons, now they have something even more insidious. They have the Internet to study our every nuanced response and computers to collect the data and have it analyzed by programs. Other programs, designed not for analysis but for targeted demographic responses, can inject the interactive software of the Internet with fake persons, events and phenomena to steer us. They can generate fake people, fake histories, fake narratives and promote shitty science.

But one thing they cannot do is change the universe and how it actually exists. They can only change how it "factually" exists and lie about contradictions by making elaborate nonsense. This Simon has already proven with the TYCHOS. And many have argued this in the past too.

My sense is that "they" (the developers of the attempt to exploit interactive technology to create inequity they can skim from) are not quite sure what to do with the technology yet (and now that they have hit the buttress of doubt and resistance to belief in their globalist Blackface) but the military is convinced they cannot yet release it to the general public, just in case it may shift the balance of power between existing controllers of technology.

If we are unlucky the awakening will result in a balance between complete technocratic rule of the human race (with A.I.) and useful personally catered medical simulation and/or entertainment such as immersive gaming. Unfortunately, even in this scenario, it means a segment of the population will be completely absorbed by the sim, kind of like we have a huge involuntarily starving and homeless sector in our cities, but I expect a larger creative segment of the population will be writing the programs and it will just become another form of entertainment like plays, music, books, movies and games already are. These mediums are exploited to tell untruths but mostly it is understood to be fiction and entertainment. But to me, it is more likely that people will "catch on" as they have done in the past to various scams and exploitative sales pitches and realize that the "sales pitch" for how we presently design society does not hold up — no matter how many live drills of "shooter events" and genital bombers push the police state solution. The technocrats will be forced to admit their one-trick pony is to use everything to create inequity, and inequity will reduce. (If we don't fuck up the Earth with toxins for too long first.)

Not to say we shouldn't push to make all live drills that are portrayed as real "illegal" using judges' own Naval rules. It may be useful to use the system against itself as populism has sometimes done to prevent vast inequities. But to assume the battle is coming to an apocalyptic close soon, on either the side of the majority or the elite parasites, I think may be naive and underestimating the human role.

And to call this balancing situation a "Communist" or "Capitalist" or "Jewish" or "Jesuit" or "New World Order" plot, or a plot by any people at all, is I think just dumb and giving them too much credit. It would be like calling a force of nature Democrat or Republican just because a politician from one party or another noticed the inevitable taking place and kept it to themselves so they could personally benefit from predicting the future. We all do that as a means of protecting our communities or if we are selfish (by choice or situation) just ourselves.
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