"Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

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"Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby hoi.polloi on Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:39 am

As Simon and I were relaxing in a dive bar, this amazing story came on the television, depicting an airplane flying through a red sky. It then proceeded to quote what apparently was the pilot, saying how he was (to paraphrase) just kinda weird.

The articles about this story say what, apparently, is the point of the news spin on the whole incident (if it happened or not).

"Stolen plane crash: Official says security protocols worked correctly"
"A stolen plane, a devastated family and a nation"
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/seatt ... sh-rubble/

"Man Who Flew Stolen Plane Could Have Learned via Flight Simulator"
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/st ... 202903192/

"Horizon Air unclear how employee Richard Russell flew stolen plane"
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/13/alaska- ... plane.html

The video looked somewhat realistic, but then so do video games these days and it was virtually little more than a darkly lit plane against a pretty backdrop. The fact of the existence of the video seems odd but I suppose the official story is that the plane was noticed flying low and oddly and so someone would have attempted to shoot it with a phone camera.

Is there any reason to believe this story? And what is the psychological effect of it anyway?
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby nonhocapito on Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:01 am

Most interpretations I've read want this to be connected to the Qanon phenomenon (If you don't know what that is at this point you are not paying attention).

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One quite wild guess suggested this to be an exemplification of the fact that the CIA / Deep state have lost control of most Psyops at this point, and fakery is now under the guidance of "the other side" (NSA / American military / Q / Trump). This particular event being faked to show how a sad or spectacular occurrence doesn't have to end in terror and division. Not very reasonable, but there you go.

Another alternative, more consistent with Q's reference to "missile", seems to imply that this was a message to Q by its "enemies", representing in psychological subliminal terms how Q behaves erratically and how it will crash itself.

Disclaimer: I am not implying in any way such opposition between "Q" and "enemies" to be anything but the surface narrative as it is being presented to us. How things really are and whether "Q" and "enemies" are really entities at play I don't know, obviously, although I take the Qanon phenomenon very seriously and as something to be watched very closely (I mean, once you're done watching the stars, that is), this being a powerful, unprecedented new form of psyop/counter information/fakery we are being witnesses of.

In any case, nobody who looked into it with some degree of attention seem to doubt that this particular episode was a hoax, especially given the impossibility of someone piloting a plane, and performing such trick maneuvers with it, thanks to their videogame experience.

Interesting times.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby kickstones on Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:58 pm

nonhocapito, here's M. Mathis take on 'Q'.....

Also notice where Q-Anon is aiming your attention: at Trump and other fake current events. He is
pushing the pedophilia scare stories, just like Hollywood has been doing for years (see the 2015 film
Spotlight , for instance). This ties in with the fake gynnast molestation stories, the fake #MeToo
movement, and so on. I write about this stuff only to defuse it, while Q-Anon is always drawing your
attention back to it. He wants your eyes on this stuff to prevent your eyes from staying on the prize: the
bankers and other governors robbing you blind year by year with their fake projects. He is also
promoting Trump as a real person, while I have told you Trump is just an actor reading from the
Teleprompter. Trump was hired to divert your attention, and Q-Anon was hired to help him continue to
do so.


http://mileswmathis.com/arab.pdf (scroll down to the end of the paper)
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby nonhocapito on Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:41 pm

I agree that this Q thing can be a distraction or a counter-information operation, as well as many other things, but I'm still waiting to see where this is leading to. It is a bit disingenuous to say that "Q is a distraction" just because it targets pedophiles. As a matter of fact 90% of what he aims at is not pedophiles as much as the political battles of Washington, the never ending attrition between the clintonians, the cia or the trumpers, snowden or comey or strokz or the email server and whatnot, the meeting at the airport, stuff of which most people cannot make much sense nor wherein they can easily decipher who are the bad or the good guys. Much easier operation would be to just let Hollywood do that job,bring the pedophile distraction to the stand, if that was the aim, but that's not exactly what's happening. I don't know what Q is, it might be just another Mossad op after all, but I am sure it is something entirely new and I will not waste time with those who want to reassure themselves by simply underplay and dismiss something so unprecedented, as if they have it all figured out.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby hoi.polloi on Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:29 pm

There is so much discussion about the "Q thing" or "Qanon" or "Q-Anon" or "Q" that I must wonder if everyone has been mentally disturbed by a PsyOp I just missed entirely. Is this the evolution of the group "Anonymous" and why should we consider that such groups are real? Do they discuss true facts of fakery?

Back to the details of this story, I understand this "stolen plane" supposedly crashed on a very sparsely populated island. I am not saying this is fake, but it certainly seems to be a convenient place to have a lie about a big dramatic fiery impact and keep it in a controlled population.

Also, if it's true that the plane company (Alaska Airlines) recently acquired the Branson associated Virgin America (and I do tend to place importance on "following the money" and "business deals" in the sense that, even if they are nonsense or scams, our fiat debt currency type money is changing hands "on paper" that is significant to players within the money-obsessed states) then it becomes suspicious by relation to Branson's very fishy "spaceport America" and other similar outfits. The Virgin name was apparently "scrapped" in April of this year.

So, yes, so far, if this supposed crash is real, it would be quite a funny thing to just happen to take place within a culture of wealthy scam artists.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby sublimity on Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:43 pm

The fact that this is a month before the anniversary of 9/11, makes me feel they are trying to retroactively legitimize the untrained hijackers meme. 'Hey, if this kid can sneak into a plane, take off, and fly loop-d-loop, then the terrorists could've easily hijacked and flown jets straight into their targets'. A Q-400 is difficult to fly and easy to stall. It isn't just advancing the throttle forward, there's prop RPM, fuel/air mixture, flaps, trim. They want us to believe a ground worker just steals it and pulls those maneuvers off, banking so steeply, it would over-stress the air frame, because he plays video games? :blink:

Apparently, they had no issues getting F-15's in the air to intercept a twin engine turboprop, which is difficult to see on radar, but they just couldn't seem to track the flights on 911.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby nonhocapito on Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:18 am

hoi.polloi » Yesterday, 22:29 wrote:There is so much discussion about the "Q thing" or "Qanon" or "Q-Anon" or "Q" that I must wonder if everyone has been mentally disturbed by a PsyOp I just missed entirely. Is this the evolution of the group "Anonymous" and why should we consider that such groups are real? Do they discuss true facts of fakery?.


Well if you missed it entirely you are hardly in a position to judge it. I'd recommend doing some backreading on this, perhaps browse qanon.app or similar websites. As I said, it isn't about establishing this as real (I talk about it) vs fake (i ignore it). Neither attitude would be worth of this forum and its purpose. It is about keeping an eye on a very unusual, rather compelling psyop which, almost certainly as there's a lot of convoluted evidence that show collusion between Q and the entourage around Trump, operates directly from the white house or at least with the military's blessing.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby Flabbergasted on Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:33 pm

nonhocapito wrote:...the CIA / Deep state have lost control of most Psyops at this point, and fakery is now under the guidance of "the other side" (NSA / American military / Q / Trump).

...the never ending attrition between the clintonians, the cia or the trumpers, snowden or comey or strokz or the email server and whatnot...

...Q and the entourage around Trump, operates directly from the white house or at least with the military's blessing...

I am curious but hopelessly ignorant about who controls whom in the game of shadow governance. The Wicked entry for the US Intelligence Community lists CIA and NSA under the same roof, so to speak, superintended by the Director of National Intelligence, Grand Master Dan Coats.

The Intelligence Community involves federal departments from A to Z: Defense (USAF, USMC, NSA), Homeland Security, Energy, State, Treasury, Justice (DEA, FBI), and CIA ('independent'). If there is a discernible attrition or split between the heads of this gargantuan hydra, I would like to hear more about it.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby nonhocapito on Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:21 pm

Flabbergasted » Today, 19:33 wrote:
nonhocapito wrote:...the CIA / Deep state have lost control of most Psyops at this point, and fakery is now under the guidance of "the other side" (NSA / American military / Q / Trump).

...the never ending attrition between the clintonians, the cia or the trumpers, snowden or comey or strokz or the email server and whatnot...

...Q and the entourage around Trump, operates directly from the white house or at least with the military's blessing...

I am curious but hopelessly ignorant about who controls whom in the game of shadow governance. The Wicked entry for the US Intelligence Community lists CIA and NSA under the same roof, so to speak, superintended by the Director of National Intelligence, Grand Master Dan Coats.

The Intelligence Community involves federal departments from A to Z: Defense (USAF, USMC, NSA), Homeland Security, Energy, State, Treasury, Justice (DEA, FBI), and CIA ('independent'). If there is a discernible attrition or split between the heads of this gargantuan hydra, I would like to hear more about it.


I am just as ignorant. But what the Qanon OP seems to have established is that the attrition is between the Military, POTUS and the NSA (the intelligence arm of the military) on one side, vs CIA, the media (isn't it amazing that the expression "fake news" is now currency?) the Mossad and the "evil cabals" (Rothschilds, bankers, silicon valley etc) on the other.
Of course none of this needs to be true. But I find that it is useful to use it as a parameter to check where and when it is reflected in reality. This is fundamentally why I insist that "Qanon" is a very interesting operation that needs to be followed and understood. I wish I had more time to take it apart, but it is designed to be very convoluted and it takes too much time to piece the parts together. IMO step 1, however, is not to dismiss it or underplay it.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby MrSinclair on Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:08 am

These are two interesting but distinct topics even if related. The stolen plane if it was a fake was very well done. In this guys case there is a lot of family and a lot of talk of their Christian faith getting them through this in ways that seem unlike the usual actors and liars. I really don't know if he did it or not.

The Q phenomena is a bigger subject and a huge challenge to wade through. I've listened to a few analysis of his posts and am not always sure I know anything more after doing so. One thing that seems clear is the complexity of Q Anon invites a total immersion in the subject and the development of a true believer mindset.

Of course whether its real or not it is of real importance as it has become a dominant force among many people who might otherwise be drawn to things like Sept Clues. I tried it on for size and felt some attraction to the idea that there are "white hats" about to set everything straight. Then I came back to my senses and realized the absurdity of believing in heroes especially hidden in the government and its cronies.But it does seem clear that a battle is going on that I believe is primarily being fought by the CIA against Trump and the DIA which his chief of staff has ties to. There is no love between these various agencies and their supporters on both sides and it is likely that the battle between them is business as usual with no white hats acting on behalf of the "American people".
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby nonhocapito on Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:31 am

MrSinclair » 17 Aug 2018, 05:08 wrote:These are two interesting but distinct topics even if related. The stolen plane if it was a fake was very well done. In this guys case there is a lot of family and a lot of talk of their Christian faith getting them through this in ways that seem unlike the usual actors and liars. I really don't know if he did it or not.

The Q phenomena is a bigger subject and a huge challenge to wade through. I've listened to a few analysis of his posts and am not always sure I know anything more after doing so. One thing that seems clear is the complexity of Q Anon invites a total immersion in the subject and the development of a true believer mindset.

Of course whether its real or not it is of real importance as it has become a dominant force among many people who might otherwise be drawn to things like Sept Clues. I tried it on for size and felt some attraction to the idea that there are "white hats" about to set everything straight. Then I came back to my senses and realized the absurdity of believing in heroes especially hidden in the government and its cronies.But it does seem clear that a battle is going on that I believe is primarily being fought by the CIA against Trump and the DIA which his chief of staff has ties to. There is no love between these various agencies and their supporters on both sides and it is likely that the battle between them is business as usual with no white hats acting on behalf of the "American people".


Thank you MrSinclair, you have summed it up really well and my position reflects yours. I shake the "white hats" angle off while at the same time trying to decipher where this is really going. I just don't think any of this is business as usual. Trump in the White House doesn't seem to be business as usual, nor is what the media and Silicon Valley are doing. And somehow I cannot simply dismiss it all as theater. It might be, of course, but I can't be convinced for now.

[EDIT: I have removed mention to a /pol/ thread on the topic, I wanted to add more material and ideas but I have no time so better skip it. Maybe later. ~Nonho]
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby MrSinclair on Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:39 am

I offered an incomplete thought in saying this battle is business as usual. The internecine conflict between competing agencies has always gone on but clearly the urgency and order of magnitude are vastly greater than normal now. There seems to be a concerted effort to really polarize the American and much of the world populace as never before in my lifetime. I do recall the bitterness and "generation gap" in the 1960's but that was only a prelude to the current battles which are being fought with much more powerful weapons, social media chief among them.

Trump is hard to sort out. Parts of his behavior seem well within the framework of business as usual for the oligarchs but at times he strikes a powerful tone against the deep state. I thought his inaugural speech was stunning at times in its challenge to the establishment forces that were gathered there. I thought it was the most powerful challenge ever offered to the power elites and I knew at the time it would not pass unchallenged. So there are elements that support the Q concept and there have seemingly been some positive if not well publicized things going on, most notably the increase of arrests of child pornographers and traffickers who I believe would have flourished with Clinton in office.

So if a Q narrative were to be constructed they have the right guy in place to make it seem somehow possible. What bothers me most about the Q phenomena is the extent to which it requires total immersion, long hours of study with little obvious payoff, the adoption of a true believer mindset and the way it "sucks all the air out of the room" in its displacement of other possible ways of viewing or deconstructing the massive amounts of political drama going on around us. Q was less about taking a side than creating a new one. Trumps election drew some hard lines between people and Q does the same in being the line of demarcation for people who otherwise share distrust of an ever more powerful government and corporate class

It would seem now that Q is being mentioned and smugly dismissed by the mainstream news and its ever shrinking audience that things are nearing a point where some validation of Q needs to occur or its support will peak and dwindle. And maybe that is the point, getting people invested deeply in something that simply weakens and fades with no real action or conclusion ever offered. What can be much more deflating to a a committed group of followers?

I want Q to be real. I want Trump to be a brass balled maverick who wants to shake up the political world in a way its never been done before. I want Jeff Sessions to be the cunning and relentless warrior with his thousands of sealed indictments that Q claims he is. I want the Clintons, Podestas and all their ilk to be exposed and destroyed. But until some significant activities occur in this realm it is all speculation and theater at best.

Whether Q is a psy op or a genuine attack on the deep state, it is has been pretty damned brilliant. The news cycles are accelerating rapidly and many of us get caught up in that and it leaves no time for the kind of analysis and contemplation that are useful. Stick a toe into the Mueller/Trump Russian collusion war and before you know it you can be up to your ass in it constantly getting fed bits and pieces by the left and right both of whom sound utterly confident in their own ultimate victory. It operates on people like me the way an obsession with sports works on much of the populace in that it takes up and probably mostly wastes large amounts of time.

I think Q certainly deserves his own thread here. This may be one of the only places where people have the right combination of separation from left/right paradigms and experience in looking through the bullshit to find more of the heart of the matter.
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Re: "Stolen Airplane" crash, August 12, 2018

Postby nonhocapito on Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:48 am

Yes I think it does deserve its own thread, I'll start one as soon as I have some time, by moving these posts to the new one.
Just one thought that I wanted to formulate, on the pessimistic angle of things, is that the purpose of Q might really be to keep the majority of those with questions and those who disagree in check and bamboozled, immersed like you say in a virtual world that requires total immersion, while a final push happens to turn the real world over to robotics, to big data and pharma, to gov surveillance, to the destruction of the family and other big brotherly amenities. The Weinsteins and the Podestas being just lightning rods and collateral. The complaints of Rotschilds or Soros being just part of the act. Trump being part of the act (and we do know he was in 2001 on green screen defending the 9/11 fable).
Like you say, whatever Q proclaims is barely reflected in reality, whereas other transformations are fully manifesting themselves in reality, or so they seem to be.
Of course, what do I have to support this interpretation, if not what the media itself is telling me? If it's true that Q only has 8ch.net and the media has everything else (but... how is this even possible?), it wouldn't be surprising for the narrative to be representing exclusively progress of one side versus the other... (honestly, I don't know who's jewing who.)
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