THE "CHATBOX"

[nonhocapito]

Trump at Ground zero. Or is that a green screen studio?

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ZfXOil1pk

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYXihwcp8c

"Never forget"; "Everything has changed"; "Silverstein"; "How can a plane go through the steel? Bombs must have exploded simultaneously"; "A lot of major firms occupied the floors, and they are gone".

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcKlPhFIE7w

Happy 17th anniversary...

[Flabbergasted]

My favorite Wallingford sign...

[Observer]

Just a quick living-room chatbox rant.

The official stories are almost always absolutely false, because the official stories are originally thought up by the wealthiest 1% who profit from the poorest 99% believing those lies.

Then, after the official bullshit stories are disseminated through official indoctrination and fossilized into the minds of rote-memorization regurgitation idiots (and liars), then these idiots (and liars) say, "You're making extraordinary claims, so you non-believers like the CluesForum folks need to provide extraordinary proof that the official stories are false. The onus is on YOU, all you weirdos who refuse to accept the official stories. YOU weirdos need to prove that astronauts didn't go to the moon. YOU weirdos need to prove that astronauts aren't floating around in the ISS. YOU weirdos need to prove that the one-bomb-to-destroy-an-entire-city Nuclear Bomb doesn't exist. YOU weirdos need to prove that nobody died on 9/11. YOU weirdos need to prove that nobody died in the subsequent terror-attacks."

Nope, it's the other way around. The official story creators and disseminators and reguritators are the ones who are making the extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims such as: "humans played on the moon in 1960s/1970s, humans are currently floating in the ISS 400km above Earth now, one-bomb destroyed Hiroshima and one-bomb destroyed Nagasaki, steel skyscrapers exploded while turning to dust due to being hit by planes on 9/11 which killed 3000 victims, and hundreds of victims were killed in subsequent terror attacks" etc.

The official story maintainers are the ones who are making extraordinary claims, so it is the official story maintainers who must provide extraordinary evidence.

In the case of the space hoax (moon-playing images, and ISS-playing images, all busted by solid logical imagery analysis by SimonShack [and by many other good folks at CluesForum]), their official imagery "evidence" has been proven forged CGI bullshit, and anyone in 2018 who is still claiming the moon and ISS "footage" is authentic is: an idiot or a liar (or an idiotic liar.)

In the case of the 9/11 hoax (planes-images, "victims"-images, and WTC destruction-images, again all busted by solid logical imagery analysis by SimonShack in his SeptemberClues documentary [and by many other good folks at CluesForum]), their official imagery "evidence" has been proven forged CGI bullshit, and anyone in 2018 who is still claiming the 9/11 "footage" is authentic is: an idiot or a liar (or an idiotic liar.)

And the same thing goes with all the official claims. We non-believers are not the ones who need to prove anything. It is the official story maintainers who need to provide sufficient authentic non-forged proof of their official claims, and they have not been able to do so.

And as it happens, even though the onus to provide evidence is on the official story creators and regurgitators, we non-believers here at CluesForum still have altruistically expended the energy to have conclusively proven that the official evidence was forged and not authentic.

Anyway, once again, the point of this rant is, when idiots and liars demand that WE non-believers must provide extraordinary evidence, remember this fact:

The official story maintainers are the ones who are making extraordinary claims, so it is the official story maintainers who must provide extraordinary evidence.

And when the official imagery "evidence" contains even the slightest amount of forgery, their imagery is thus proven non-authentic, and thus their official stories are proven false and non-believable.

/rant

[SacredCowSlayer]

. . .

Nope, it's the other way around. The official story creators and disseminators and reguritators are the ones who are making the extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims such as: "humans played on the moon in 1960s/1970s, humans are currently floating in the ISS 400km above Earth now, one-bomb destroyed Hiroshima and one-bomb destroyed Nagasaki, steel skyscrapers exploded while turning to dust due to being hit by planes on 9/11 which killed 3000 victims, and hundreds of victims were killed in subsequent terror attacks" etc. . . .

And the same thing goes with all the official claims. We non-believers are not the ones who need to prove anything. It is the official story maintainers who need to provide sufficient authentic non-forged proof of their official claims, and they have not been able to do so.

Dear Observer,

Well done in making a point that bears repeating. The psychopaths quickly attempt to place the burden on others to prove a negative, which is almost impossible.

It is indeed THEIR burden to prove the fantastical claims they make. We should always be ready to remind them of that fact.

SCS

[TripleSpeak]

I'm a traveler who has been to every continent except one: Antarctica (for obvious reasons of weather, people, and cost). However, I've found two ways to get there that I don't find prohibitively expensive - and my curiosity has gotten the better of me from all of its mysticism. The cheapest way is to go to Argentina and piggyback on a cruise. Basically everyone who lives there are scientists - and who knows how much military is there.

Anyway, I post this because it is one of the few forums I've seen where people aren't all talk - so I'd assume others might be interested in going too. It would be good to have a group of diverse skillsets on such a trip!

Thoughts?

[Note by SCS: I don’t think this is a “stand-alone” topic, but does belong here in the Chatbox ]

[Observer]

Antarctica ... my curiosity has gotten the better of me... let's go to Argentina and piggyback on a cruise. Basically everyone who lives there are scientists..."

So, your plan is to visit one of the tiny 1% patches of Antarctic snow in which non-military-approved regular-folks are allowed to visit (bringing along one of us for authenticity) and then post your video documentary which will imply, "See, nothing strange here, just some white snow and some honest scientists. My expedition thoroughly checked out this little spot which the military allowed us to check out. Thus, our visit has proven there is nothing being hidden here in Antarctica. Case closed!"

No thanks.

Storming the gates with MILLIONS of people (all armed with old-fashioned-film, and modern-live-stream, and self-defense weapons) and checking the ENTIRE continent including ALL the underground bases, yeah, that's a dream I would love to see happen, but this little "Let's go visit a tiny military-approved tourist patch of Antarctica" idea sounds like a pitch by a shill or a naïve mind.

Again, sorry, but lately I'm not filtering my opinions for politeness much.

[Flabbergasted]

...imo all the politicians are controlled/actors it doesn't matter who the people vote for...

I agree all modern politicians are farm overseers and/or actors and/or prostitutes and/or thieves. But as for who gets elected, I´d say that liberals/socialists/globalists inflict much greater economic, social and spiritual damage than do conservatives/nationalists (I´m not talking about fringe groups/extremists/supremacists whom liberals try to label as conservatives).

Ben Garrison´s famous cartoon sums up the political game like nothing else:



Garrison claims someone maliciously changed his original cartoon, replacing the pyramid with a human torso and head. The alternative version (easily found on Google) has a white area around the body of the elite banker, suggesting it has been adulterated, but for the unprejudiced researcher both versions are interesting.

I apologize if the cartoon has been posted on CF before.

[SacredCowSlayer]

...imo all the politicians are controlled/actors it doesn't matter who the people vote for...

I agree all modern politicians are farm overseers and/or actors and/or prostitutes and/or thieves. But as for who gets elected, I´d say that liberals/socialists/globalists inflict much greater economic, social and spiritual damage than do conservatives/nationalists (I´m not talking about fringe groups/extremists/supremacists whom liberals try to label as conservatives).

Ben Garrison´s famous cartoon sums up the political game like nothing else:



Garrison claims someone maliciously changed his original cartoon, replacing the pyramid with a human torso and head. The alternative version (easily found on Google) has a white area around the body of the elite banker, suggesting it has been adulterated, but for the unprejudiced researcher both versions are interesting.

I apologize if the cartoon has been posted on CF before.

Dear Flabbergasted,

That cartoon is absolutely priceless. I don’t disagree with the sentiment or your own observations about political theater (certainly at the National level anyway).

I suppose my only reluctance to fully embrace it is that it singularly pins the whole thing on “Global Elite Bankers.”

Undoubtedly they are a huge part of the problem. But I don’t want to let anyone off the hook by aiming ALL the blame at any one group.

That said, I sincerely enjoyed seeing this post. And the captions are hilarious.

[TripleSpeak]

Antarctica ... my curiosity has gotten the better of me... let's go to Argentina and piggyback on a cruise. Basically everyone who lives there are scientists..."

So, your plan is to visit one of the tiny 1% patches of Antarctic snow in which non-military-approved regular-folks are allowed to visit (bringing along one of us for authenticity) and then post your video documentary which will imply, "See, nothing strange here, just some white snow and some honest scientists. My expedition thoroughly checked out this little spot which the military allowed us to check out. Thus, our visit has proven there is nothing being hidden here in Antarctica. Case closed!"

No thanks.

Storming the gates with MILLIONS of people (all armed with old-fashioned-film, and modern-live-stream, and self-defense weapons) and checking the ENTIRE continent including ALL the underground bases, yeah, that's a dream I would love to see happen, but this little "Let's go visit a tiny military-approved tourist patch of Antarctica" idea sounds like a pitch by a shill or a naïve mind.

Again, sorry, but lately I'm not filtering my opinions for politeness much.

Haha! I definitely don't view "global warming scientists" as honest

Again, I appreciate your suspicious nature, but this is not my plan. But you raise some things that my post was meant to bring up - like where exactly in Antarctica we can travel. If it is only 1%, then that's obviously something I would want to know before going. I'm guessing you saw this: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42853072 - and there was some similar postings on non-MSM sources in Antarctica leaked from Strava. Consider it a mind naïve of Antarctic truths that is attempting to grow via its preferred method: first hand experience. I've been to the northern most places in Sweden & the southern most places in Africa... And there's something to these first hand experiences that is just not readily explainable - especially since we're in another dark age of science, so few have an idea for how to measure anything.

[Kham]

Why do I feel exhausted after reading Triplespeaks giant posts, saying nothing yet saying everything? Kind of like a merry-go-round of words.

[HonestlyNow]

What is true is already so.
Owning up to it doesn't make it worse.
Not being open about it doesn't make it go away.
And because it's true, it is what is there to be interacted with.
Anything untrue isn't there to be lived.
People can stand what is true,
for they are already enduring it.
—Eugene Gendlin

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be."
-- P.C. Hodgell

~~~~~


Twelve Virtues of Rationality
Eliezer S. Yudkowsky

The first virtue is curiosity. A burning itch to know is higher than a solemn vow to pursue truth. To feel the burning itch of curiosity requires both that you be ignorant, and that you desire to relinquish your ignorance. If in your heart you believe you already know, or if in your heart you do not wish to know, then your questioning will be purposeless and your skills without direction. Curiosity seeks to annihilate itself; there is no curiosity that does not want an answer. The glory of glorious mystery is to be solved, after which it ceases to be mystery. Be wary of those who speak of being open-minded and modestly confess their ignorance. There is a time to confess your ignorance and a time to relinquish your ignorance.

The second virtue is [continued here].

[Flabbergasted]

You will argue that empires should not exist. Granted. But, again, look at human history: empires do exist.

Simon,
Among other things, the freedom which is necessary for healthy individual and social life on earth also implies the possibility of any one person putting together a horde of homicidal and rapacious thugs and harrowing the land, raping and enslaving people.

As nonho says, it´s not a question of whether kingdoms and empires should exist. They do exist, and will exist as a result of certain aspects of human nature which cannot be extracted by force or breeded out by geneticists, but only bridled from within, either by the spirit directly or by adopting a universal moral code of conduct and making it second nature by way of liturgy and customs. Even then, empires may be a desirable option.

Personally, I could easily live without police and military, but it would be naïve on my part to assume complex cultural expressions such as symphonic orchestras, national libraries, monasteries, universities, art collections and architectural wonders would be spared destruction or somehow be able to defend themselves against an army of marauders.

We live in strange times, in big cities, amidst our own artificial creations and, of late, virtual reality. We have forgotten what it is like not to have electricity, running water, supermarkets, hospitals ... and very quickly so. We pretty much take physical integrity and rule of law for granted.

Empires are not simply criminal enterprises, even if the current emperor and his partners in crime are narcissistic and power-hungry pricks. There are numerous other (and nobler) forces at play in an empire, offsetting the rotten parts. Otherwise, civilization would dissolve overnight.

[edit: in the last sentence, by "civilization" I mean "empire", not any form of civilization, such as nomadic and shamanic cultures]

[kickstones]

[Note by SCS: Dear kickstones, I appreciate your interesting post (below) in the MORANDI BRIDGE thread, but it may have had the tendency to derail an otherwise straightforward topic. That said, I found it more suitable for the Chatbox (due to its substantive potential) than the Derailing Room. ]

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Oh my... WHO writes this stuff?

Simon, could it be dependent on the budget and scale of event, for example, for minor events such as these they hire cheaper and inexperienced operatives, however for the majors they hire the more expensive and experienced scriptwriters such as John Briley, credited for The Medusa Touch (1978)?









Film technicians at Pinewood Studios set up a miniature air crash sequence for the Jack Gold film The Medusa Touch, using scale models of a Boeing 747 and a skyscraper.




full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCwx6I-MF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCwx6I-MF0

[SacredCowSlayer]

When he handed me the recipe I gave up altogether: first you choose any long-time CF member, then you pick out a few words and phrases with which to make a shallow, unidimensional caricature of said member, then you blow those words out of proportion and context by repeating them ad nauseam and submitting them to a near-insane train of linear logic. Finally, you show how evil or deluded that person is for having inspired said caricature.

Yikes! Of all the nasty and sinister tactics that some people will deploy against a perceived enemy, this is one I hadn’t thought of. I’ve certainly become familiar with the (so far) failed efforts of some against me.

I’m glad you shared this. At least it’s something that I’ve heard of now.

[SacredCowSlayer]

Dear CluesForum members and readers,

Thank you all for your patience as we have worked tirelessly over the last few days to get the forum back, AND securely stabilized.

I want to express my sincere appreciation to the team here at CF for all the man-hours spent on this tedious task.

PianoRacer has also been instrumental in getting this thing up and going. I am incredibly grateful to him for his assistance with the most incredibly difficult aspects of the project (in particular down the “home stretch”). He is now an Administrator, and I think his unique skill-set will complement the existing Administrator duties around here.

Moreover, this of course would not have been possible without the encouragement and support of Simon and Nonhocapito, amongst a small handful of other members who took the time to express their support and confidence. On my part, I must admit that was sorely needed. At times it felt like I may need to brace myself for the end of this incredible place. I can’t express how relieved I am that such fears did not materialize.

From that standpoint, I must say that the experience was eye-opening. As long as I’m around here, and I continue to have the support of my fellow Administrators and Moderators, my full intention is to very deliberately take the necessary steps to TRY to prevent this type of thing from happening in the future (while being mindful that “accidents happen even in the best run universe”). My objective is to protect and preserve the existing research and maintain a vision for continuity as we continue onward.

I want to make sure to specifically thank Hoi for his many hours of assistance (to me specifically) throughout the process. Arguably, it could have been done slightly faster. But, while he remains an Administrator here, he has been teaching me “the ropes” so that he may pursue other passions without feeling an unnecessary obligation (self imposed of course) to maintain this sometimes time-consuming “job.”

I’m humbled by the vote of confidence that he and Simon (amongst others) have placed in me.

I’m now taking a brief moment to breathe a sigh of relief, and get caught up on other things that life requires.

But I will be around.

Now, everybody “keep it real together,” as we cannot afford to have infighting amongst well intended researchers who contribute here. The darker forces of this world are quite enough to contend with in my estimation.

Again, thank you all for your support and patience during what probably felt like a long 48 hours to many of you. I was always mindful of that, and I don’t take any of you for granted.

Sincerely,

SCS