Engineering disease

Historical insights & thoughts about the world we live in - and the social conditioning exerted upon us by past and current propaganda.
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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:45 am

If anyone is interested in relevant cancer research I can recommend this podcast

https://overcast.fm/+NmiQRPQew
https://peterattiamd.com/tomseyfried/


As I see it, what researchers like Thomas Seyfried are seeing and defining as Cancer, is our bodies natural defense mechanism against invasive microbial overgrowth. If we for example have a bad diet that maintains a high amount of glucose in our cells or get subjected to toxins that result in cell death or organ failures, our bodies become susceptible to microbial overgrowth. There's simply more food around for them. These microbes in turn produce by-products that helps break down more cells to give them even more food. We are in essence decomposing while living and the defense mechanism defined as Cancer that comes into play is that the cells react to the microbe toxins by becoming cancerous. The purpose of the cancer tumor is to seal off the microbe growth, absorb the toxins that the microbes emit and to suffocate them. If and when that job is done, the tumors will disappear by themselves. And as Thomas Seyfried have observed in his research, the best way to help our bodies to achieve that is through fasting and a low carbohydrate diet.

And the standard of care as Seyfried defines it, is only making the situation worse. Radiation therapy causes cell death killing off the cancer cells. At the same time the microbes survive since they are less sensitive to radiation and now has an abundance of food (dead cells) around them. Same goes with chemo therapy. The cancer cells die but the microbes survive. And a biopsy in a cancer tumor is a bad idea since this releases microbes into the blood stream.

Side note: Prof Seyfried is not promoting/supporting the hypothesis I just stated but is looking at cancer from a biochemical viewpoint but I think his research supports this hypothesis.

Side note 2: Prof Seyfried is in my opinion a perfectly honest researcher but it becomes a bit ironic for me when he at 2.25.00 goes into comparing his struggle with that of Galileo’s in the 16th century...

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by sharpstuff » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:28 am

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A DAY AT DOCTOR'S
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This is a longer version created from a piece in my little book Easy Health, which I thought I might offer as an addendum to my 'Engineering Disease' thread.

Humour can be serious stuff. Peter K. Sharpen

I have little time for the 'medical profession'. I query both 'medical' and 'profession'. Peter K. Sharpen

First visit madness, last visit sadness. Peter K. Sharpen

Humour is on the way out but not lost yet. Peter K. Sharpen


The art of the family doctor has mostly been lost.

If I were cynical, I would have to say that 'modern medicine' is a ploy to bring real health (which is pretty much free and easy enough, actually, without outside influence*) to its knees and forcing it to beg forgiveness for having been away from its clutches for so long, if you have remained pretty healthy.

*This is the influence that deprives the indiginous peoples in their original locations from their birthrights by others, for whatever reason.

Once Upon a Time, families would have a 'family' doctor, whatever was good or bad about them. They knew your family for a long time and ministered to your little 'illnesses'. They probably gave more advice than drugs and unless compromised in some way from unnecessary and potentially life-threatening 'vaccinations', you could be sure of a healthier life than you have now.

The family doctor would even visit you in your home! In he/she would come, with their battered Gladstone Bag, retrieve a stethoscope from the bundles of bits and pieces, incantations, potions and a sweet or two for the kiddies. They knew about you and would listen, prod and poke and tell you what they thought was 'wrong' with you. Probably their own previous ministrations, but who is arguing. They even, according to the history books, had a 'bed-side manner', whatever that was but apparently was a bonus for Doctor if it was a 'good' one.

It has been said that there are two 'Gods'. The religious one who is always called 'God' (and who apparently on Universal Walk-abouts sometimes visits an Earth way-station called a cathedral) and there is the time when you might go to the Health Clinic and the receptionist will not say: 'God will see you now' but will undoubtedly say: 'Doctor will see you now.' Not 'a' doctor, not 'the' doctor, but this god-like figure 'Doctor'. Beware of false idols. Make sure you take your prayer-mat and know the direction of Mecca the next time you feel the need for comfort or advice if no cathedral is available.

Even if you go to some form of church establishment, the vicar, pastor (or whatever) will not say to you: 'God will see you now'. Such is the status of Doctor (with a capital letter). Doctor has his own cathedral (hospital) or church, it is called a Health Clinic, or Health Centre.

However, no more the possibly friendly call at your place of residence at some ungodly hour of the day or night. No more the sweeties for the little ones unless laced with some obnoxious potion. No more the 'bed-side manner' which seemed to work wonders when granny was ill last time. No more the Gladstone Bag; dead as the chap after whom it was named. Yet still the stethoscope for invading your shirt or blouse. Gone is any shape or form of holistic medicine (you have to secretly do that yourself).

Doctor now works in collaboration with others, equally untrained in nutritional science and diagnosis. They work in a 'clinic', 'Health Centre' or whatever they call it in your locality . They all have a 'discipline', (no discipline within the discipline but that is another matter) that is, they all have their various areas of 'expertise'. They are all 'experts' and have the qualifications (given by other 'experts' of similar ilk) to prove this. Dead patients of these 'experts' due to their notorious S.B.P. (Slash-Burn-Poison) techniques may not prove to be in agreement with the procedures worked upon them but they can't comment, as far as I know.

The other ancillaries, the nurse, the pathologist, the radiographer, pharmacist, dentists and so on interminably, are all 'experts'. They do not work together as such but only as a 'Team', complete with Mission Statement. They do not speak the same language with each other since all the disciplines have their own special language and none can understand the other unless it is written in unintelligible and illegible script, when apparently they can.

They are also obviously well-trained in pictographic writings and mythology, since they promote them on a daily basis. A number of all these people work for Agencies. These marvellous inventions (for the Health Industry) remove the responsibility for your health by a so-called 'government' to faceless 'Agencies' who supply the personnel for hospitals and so on. This means you rarely see the same person twice, or only for fleeting glimpses, a quick flick of the eyelids over a meaningless chart, perhaps a rectally applied thermometer and off you go back to sleep (if you can without a pill).

At Doctor's surgery you might see any one of these 'medical' people during a required whole-day visit (even with an appointment you will have to set aside a whole day for the purpose as appointments are rarely really allowed) reading all the posters in the waiting room commanding you to take action against the latest medical scam and afterwards reading the latest scientific medical achievements/miracle drugs as related by the 'professional' scientific reporters of the esoteric 'Daily Mail' or some-such rag. However, all these miracle cures will probably be 'around the corner' or at least 'Five years away'. You could wait a life-time for these to pop up above ground but probably not before you pop down below ground.

You will probably have Doctor's name but you won't get to see him as he will be away being coaxed by a drug company to push, in their pharmaceutical fanaticism, their ill-created wares for their ill-gotten gains. You may see a locum (the 'stand-in' Doctor and possibly more well-meaning than others), who doesn't know anything thing about you but is as capable as 'your' Doctor in writing illegibly on a pad as soon as you enter the room and signing you up for a course of something to help your 'chemical imbalance'.

The fact that you are there at all, you see, gives him the clue that you have at least a tiny anxiety problem (as well as any other) and he can at least happily prescribe some toxic concoction to blow your mind away and up his status with Pharmaceutical Corp. Inc. Plc. Ltd. and be sure to get his free gold biro and three-course meal with the next batch of 'miracle' drugs he prescribes knowing nothing about their harmful and possibly disastrous effects. The glossy brochures are nice, though and if you live in America for example, there will probably be a helpful advert to watch soon on the television probably featuring a celebrity Big Breasted Botox-bonced bimbo extolling the virtues of its curative powers.

The State of the Art 'medical profession' now sets up Internet web sites or telephone call centres (at least in the UK) so that when the latest alleged/contrived 'pandemic' hits the gutter press t.v., 'newspapers' and the vaccine makers are working 25 hours a day to fill phials with untested filth, you will be able to telephone some 16 year-old kids, tell them your symptoms and they tell you (possibly via e-mail or over the phone, for goodness sake!) that 'yes', you have the Ham Sandwich Virus and need to be vaccinated straight away (even if nothing is yet available or 'tested'). Your symptoms, by the way are the same as thousands of other people, all with different matters of ill-health! The call centres are probably in some foreign country and possibly ancient Egypt but I am sure they have their phrase books ready and waiting.

Mentioning the Internet (and I am not assuming everyone is 'on' the Internet), you will probably be able to follow your doctor on Twitter, maybe. You know, one of those goodness awful 'social networking' sites, like Faceless Book, or whatever it is called. Imagine that! But then I may need to see a psychiatrist and would probably be diagnosed with A.S.N.S.S. (Anti-social Networking Site Syndrome) which would have been caused by the 'chemical imbalance' of an unbalanced mind.

Visiting Doctor is a mind-numbing experience, in more ways than one. You might tell him/her/it that you have some 'symptoms' and he/she/it will invariably say: 'I'll give you something for it'. Never mind what 'it' is. Never mind that you have not had a whole-body examination taking due regard to past health history and so forth.

But Doctor is always very busy isn't he? He is working hard on the assembly-line of his daily prescriptions. His treatment is a stab in the dark (more so with injections of any kind). If the ludicrous potions do not work, then you will get something else 'prescribed', most often to offset the new symptoms you have after the first dose.

As an aside, 'side effects' assume that the original potion 'works' (in some way). However, there is never any evidence or indication that it worked anyway, if there are 'side effects' as they are almost certainly in the negative.

This is 'modern medicine' at its most futile for the patient and profitable for the said Doctor, who can then prescribe some other potion to 'counter' the 'side effects' and thus retains a 'patient' for said 'patient's' unenviable future.

For a diagnosis, you would be better consulting Shakespeare's three witches in Macbeth, or examining the entrails of your motor car spread out on the roadside than get a decent diagnosis from Doctor.

The World of Modern Medicine is fraught with danger...for the patient guinea-pig you become when you visit Doctor. There has been a plethora of almost obsessive behaviour from the public regarding their health. Bombarded with Nonsense Tales daily, Health 'knowledge' knows no bounds (but should be bound up).

Everyone seems to be in on the act, even those promoting healthy products and so forth. It is a bandwagon of extraordinary proportions. One might claim that I, too, am on this band-wagon. Perhaps that is a truth but not for the purpose of making money or prestige, as I get neither.

What should be minor compromisations of the body's terrain (few of us can be healthy all the time, given the mineral-depleted soils, garbage food and drink or an accident), has now become an enormous growth industry.

This industry, often with loggerheads inside it, even specialises in 'healthy' foods and other clap-trap that boggles a sensible mind. Everyone seems to be obsessed with their health; that they won't get a 'cancer' or 'heart-disease', 'obesity', 'diabetes' and a myriad other complaints which all stem from the same thing, viz. inappropriate eating and drinking (for a particular person), lack of reasonable exercise, rest, humour and sunlight and covering their bodies and work-surfaces with all sorts of man-made chemicals designed to kill anything that might seem dangerous (note 'seem') but doesn't exist.

There is plenty of work that can be done for people, especially in the Accident and Emergency services as long as Doctor gives up his nasty habit of relying on the so-called 'germ' theory to help him solve his problems but not yours. If he still believes this Nonsense Tale then he has a long way to go and may never recover; nor will you. He can, of course, help promote the story by investing in the now-ubiquitous 'SuperBug Story'; coming to a hospital near you soon!

Footnote

Written in the interests of general health. I am not denegrating the whole of the 'medical profession', merely most of it. Many working in this industry (which is what it can only be called) are blind-led, misguided and ill-trained people in the area of nutritional diagnosis. Many are dedicated people working very hard but they are controlled by the industry.

Where certain members are counter-productive for the industry (that is, they disagree with what is going on and want their own paths in the wood), they are ostracised, run out of the industry and may even be 'got rid of'. But then the industry knows a great deal about 'getting rid of' dissenters.

However, a nutritional diagnosis will never replace the entrenchment of the 'medical profession' until it can be made a lucrative operation for the 'establishment'. The 'establishment' by the way is where the servants run the location and the psychopaths run the mental assylums. Or it could well be the other way round. They have you hooked but will never remove the hook and throw you back into the water...

Yours sincerely,
Peter K. Sharpen
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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by ICfreely » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:58 pm

A DAY AT DOCTOR'S
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This is a longer version created from a piece in my little book Easy Health, which I thought I might offer as an addendum to my 'Engineering Disease' thread.

Humour can be serious stuff. Peter K. Sharpen

Your 'Engineering Disease' thread? Sheesh. I thought this was our 'Engineering Disease' thread. Surely you jest.

I would beg you (and others) to start some alternative research. You still appear (like others here) to have the notion of germs, viruses, microbes, immune systems, D.N.A. and all the other paraphenalia of 'accepted' views have some validity. On this track one can go no further.

I beg to differ, my good sir. On this track one can go further than the eye can see.


Exhibit A:
Viruses, ET and the octopus from space: the return of panspermia

The peer-reviewed journal Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology recently published a most remarkable scientific paper. With 33 authors from a wide range of reputable universities and research institutes, the paper makes a seemingly incredible claim. A claim that if true, would have the most profound consequences for our understanding of the universe. Life, the paper argues, did not originate on the planet Earth.

Beyond this, the model also postulates that various epidemics are caused by the arrival of viruses from space and that extra-terrestrial retroviruses drove the Cambrian explosion.

Not to mention that the octopus might well be an alien.

Instead of dismissing panspermia out of hand, perhaps then, we should just wait for the discoveries that future space probes might bring. Evidence, as always, will be the ultimate decider.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/viru ... panspermia

Exhibit B:
Interstellar Influenza? Space Viruses Could Reveal Alien Life

Viruses straddle the definition of life. They lack the machinery to reproduce on their own, so they must infect a host cell and hijack its machinery. This has led to decades of debate over whether viruses should technically be considered living.

But for the review authors, viruses' reproductive methods are enough. Indeed, "when one considers the whole virus replication cycle, it comes close to NASA's working definition of life: 'a self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution,'" the review said.

Semantics aside, if scientists were to identify a virus in space — on a meteor, perhaps — very few people would claim the discovery was not evidence of life in space, the authors wrote.

"What is life? Are viruses alive? If we find viruses [in space], is it indicative of life? And would this be life as we know it or life as we don't know it?" Stedman asked. "We're hoping to get people thinking about these types of definitions."

https://www.livescience.com/61515-astro ... large.html


In all seriousness, Mr. Sharpen, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post. It’s nice to know one needn't travel billions and billions of "light-years" to find intelligent life.




“Ignorance is a virus. Once it starts spreading, it can only be cured by reason. For the sake of humanity, we must be that cure.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by ICfreely » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:04 am

I would beg you (and others) to start some alternative research. You still appear (like others here) to have the notion of germs, viruses, microbes, immune systems, D.N.A. and all the other paraphenalia of 'accepted' views have some validity. On this track one can go no further.

There is no 'real life' evidence that any of these notions are real in any sense that can be verified, produced and available as such, for or to you or me.
All jokes aside, sharpstuff makes a good point here. We associate “DNA” with a 3-D double helix image but have we ever seen it?

The most important photo ever taken?

It may not look very exciting, but the photograph above has an important place in history. Known as Photo 51, it's an X-ray diffraction image of DNA and has at least a claim to be the most important image ever taken.
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Final clue

So why is Photo 51 an iconic image? King's College archivist Geoff Browell says: "Photo 51 was taken by Rosalind Franklin and Ray Gosling in the Biophysics Department here in 1952. It is arguably the most important photo ever taken.

"It was this image that gave the final clue that enable Maurice Wilkins, James Watson and Francis Crick to put together research from the previous two decades and understand that DNA was a double helix."

Photo 51 is not the sort of image you would take with a normal camera.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-18041884
What am I looking at in Franklin's Photo 51 of DNA?

Here's Rosalind Franklin's famous Photo 51, the X-ray diffraction image of DNA from which Watson and Crick deduced its structure:

My understanding is that it depicts a short segment of DNA shown from the side (so the axis that the strands wind around would run up and down through the center of the photo). Like this double-helix diagram from Watson and Crick's paper:

I have a lot of trouble connecting the photo to the diagram.

What am I actually seeing in the photo? There are dark blobs at the top and bottom. A diamond shape of dark lines. A concentric circle (or rounded diamond) inside the outer diamond. An X formed from two intersecting rows of 7ish mostly horizontal short lines or blobs. Which of these features correspond to what parts of the DNA molecule?

https://biology.stackexchange.com/quest ... -51-of-dna

Great questions. I don't have the slightest clue.

DNA’s stroke of genius
By Gunther Stent

LINEAR CODES

On first sight, Watson and Crick’s discovery of the DNA double helix resembled Pauling’s then two-year-old discovery of helices in proteins, particularly since specific hydrogen bonds played an important role in both. But on closer examination, the promulgation of the DNA double helix emerged as an event of a different heuristic character. In discovering the double helix, Watson and Crick introduced a fresh notion to biology, the idea that the three-dimensional shapes of biological molecules could be governed by information embedded in linear, one-dimensional codes. Their double helix model demanded that the evidently highly regular three-dimensional structure of DNA must be able to accommodate any arbitrary sequence of nucleotide bases along the two strands.

Watson and Crick’s publication of the DNA double helix in the 23 April 1953 issue of Nature brought about the marriage of two separate schools – informationists and structurists – whose lusty offspring was given the name ‘molecular biology’. It has now become obvious that this event was the watershed of life sciences in the 20th century. As soon as the contents of Watson and Crick’s paper became known – and that happened almost immediately, in part through [Max] Delbruck’s propagandising – most biologists interested in the mechanism of heredity quickly realised that the time had come to think about genetics in terms of large information-carrying molecules.

Genetics was only the first biological specialty to undergo this ideological transformation. Eventually, no life science discipline, pure or applied – from evolution and microbiology through physiology, embryology, neurobiology and psychology to medicine, nutrition, pharmacology and agriculture – failed to be profoundly transformed by the advent of molecular biology. Now molecular biology has become so all-pervasive that it seems to be disappearing as a discrete disciplinary entity, as did biochemistry some years ago.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... of-genius/

All the aforementioned disciplines are now being pervaded by nanotechnology.
PennState – Center for Nanoscale Science

How to see DNA with the Naked Eye
...
Summary

DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, is contained in all living organisms and is the set of instructions that tell a cell how to build a protein. In the human body, DNA tells the body how to build proteins that makes up hair, skin, muscles, and every organ in your body.
DNA is stored in the nucleus of cells. It is an extremely thin molecule averaging about 2 nanometers in width. A nanometer is one-billionth of a meter. To put this in perspective, a human hair is approximately 80,000 nanometers wide.

In this activity, you will extract DNA from green split peas. To do this, you will go through a series of steps that include breaking the cell apart, releasing the DNA from the nucleus, and protecting the DNA from enzymes that will shear or break it down.

As you perform this activity, think about why you are performing each of the steps. Finally, explain how you will be able to see DNA when it is 40,000 times smaller than a human hair.

https://www.mrsec.psu.edu/content/how-see-dna-naked-eye
Would anyone care to offer an explanation?

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:04 am

The issue of Cancer

Dear ICfreely, CF contributors, supporters and readers,

I’ve brought up the question of Cancer a few times here and the hypothesis (shared by many) that this disease may have a fungi/microbe root cause and that our current cancer pandemic may have been intentionally engineered (shared by fewer). See my previous posts

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2027&start=390#p2406584
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2027&p=2406612#p2406612

You expressed doubt ICfreely, and “begged me to start some alternative research”. I fail to see what you mean. I’ve researched medicine for about eight years now and it has boiled down to the hypothesis that most of our so called western diseases – Cancer, heart disease, dementia, may have its root cause in our bodies failure to control fungal/microbe overgrowth.

I asked you about your view on microbes and Seyfrieds research but you haven’t answered. I would appreciate if you do “So you question the existence of microbes? Then please explain what it is that can be cultivated in a petri dish? What happens when something organic decompose? How does milk turn sour?
And are you then also implying that ALL researchers such as Thomas Seyfried are "in on it"?”

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2027&start=465#p2409085

I would also like to keep this thread on this matter for a while since I think it is of great public interest, and we seem to agree on other things (that for example vaccines and most drugs are toxic junk).

So please join me in an healthy (pun intended) factual discussion on this subject. This is a global problem that kills many of our loved ones so I think it is of utmost interest to gain knowledge here.

An interesting speech by Prof Seyfried (forward to 0.30)

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMArOJw2oKo

Best regards /Patrik

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by sharpstuff » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:55 am

Patrix wrote:

So you question the existence of microbes? Then please explain what it is that can be cultivated in a petri dish? What happens when something organic decompose? How does milk turn sour?

And are you then also implying that ALL researchers such as Thomas Seyfried are "in on it"?


I am not a fan of answering questions with questions but if I may reconstruct your reply into separate questions:

One: So you question the existence of microbes?

I would ask you to define what you know/believe/or can produce visible evidence for a 'microbe'?

As I keep saying, naming something does not explain what it is, therefore we cannot us it as an explanation.

Two: Then please explain what it is that can be cultivated in a petri dish?

1. Of the 'what' is cultivated, I can have no idea. Only the 'cultivator' knows.
2. How do we even explain 'cultivated' in this sense?

Three: What happens when something organic decompose?

I assume you mean decomposes (plural). This questions links with:

Four: How does milk turn sour?

What we call 'organic' compounds are what we also call 'life-forms'. These are self-propelling/animated/dynamic substances (including all of what we call flora and fauna). Such substances derive from what we call the planet Earth. We call this Nature ( a 'name' but it doesn't tell us what it is!) One may append a 'godly' existence for Earth's 'creation' but that is a matter of taste and belief.

If our bodies (including all what we call 'flora' and 'fauna' (for convenience-sake) were not self-healing, we would none of us be 'here'.

Example: If we prick our finger with a needle, we 'bleed'. A reddish, liquid substance follows. This reddish substance is called 'blood'. Blood is liquid tissue. If left alone and without our interferrence, it 'congeals' or attempts to block further issuance. It takes 3-4 minutes depending on the status of our 'health' and the body's ability to so perform. This is called 'healing by first intention'.
Should this pin-prick be more severe, then we tend to squeeze what we call the 'wound' together. It is a natural act over which we have little control. This is called 'healing by second intention'. If the wound is even more severe and thus we require more of a pinching together of the wound we might resort to a 'band-aid' or even what we call 'sutures'.

Substances that are removed (by whatever means) from a living body are no longer part of that body but continue to self-heal. After a certain length of 'time' or exposrue to elements 'outside their remit', they return to whatever state originated them in the first place. In Bechamp's plural noun 'microzymas'. These are basic elements that first appeared and were active before Man invented 'time'.

In short, what are 'cultivated' in petri-dishes are the remnants of living biological processes which are returning to their origins, nothing more, nothing less.

Five: And are you then also implying that ALL researchers such as Thomas Seyfried are "in on it"?

I am not implying anything. The very notion is painful to me. 'Researchers' implies in itself that they (even ALL) have any credibility along wth 'scientists', 'experts' or whatever serves as the regurgitation of material that is not open to the questions of others but is accepted and expected of 'science' and the gullibilati and of which they have long forgotten the meaning of the word they append with a capital 'S' so we are led to believe they have some 'clout' as they say from whence I originate.

I have never heard of Thomas Seyfried , nor am I particularly (to be kind) interested in him or what he has to say. As for 'in on it' I must ask what you mean by 'in' and what you mean by 'it'?

Try and have a look at the following links, although I find it distasteful to link to WiickedPeedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_B%C3%A9champ

This book might make you (and others) rethink.
https://archive.org/details/bechamporpasteur00hume_0

I f you celebrate Christmas/Xmas or any euphamism for same:


Be well.

Sharpstuff

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:39 pm

sharpstuff » December 15th, 2018, 11:39 am wrote:Dear Patrix,

Your confusion between myself and ICfreely is rather disturbing, let alone confusing for others, not the least myself (and ICfreely!)

One understands that English may not be your first language and I personally I am impressed by your and the written English of many contributors to Clues for whom the same impression applies.

However, you asked me a number of questions and I took the time and trouble to carefully answer them but with no reply except for another question.

Perhaps you might explain your not giving answers to my reply.

Be well.
I misread one post which I apologized for. Aren't we making a bit of a hen out of a feather here?

I've noticed how my reflections here seems very unpopular among a few CFers. My views are however shared by growing numbers. You see before this "onslaught" of Western diseases we've experienced during the late 20th century, people were eating very differently. And let me assure you it wasn't vegan.

And allthough I agree that for example vaccines and AIDS are disease engineering, let's not forget about the issues that also causes a great deal of suffering - Cancer, heart disease, dementia and diabetes. I've made the case that a diet with plenty of natural fats, less carbohydrates and avoidance of processed vegetable oils and additives is the best way to prevent these problems and that the standard of care with for example chemotherapy, radiation and statins, worsens these conditions rather than cure.

I don't know why this is so disturbing.

One thing I've noticed however that I think everyone should be cautious about is that medicine contains just as much disinformation and perhaps even more than other subjects like 9/11 for instance. And the way to spread disinformation is to be truthful in one area and thereby plant "the hook of trust". Disinformation needs to be 90% true to be effective as the saying goes.

I noticed for example that Graham Hancock talked about his double hip surgery at a Joe Rogan podcast. To undergo hip replacement surgery is in my opinion a certain way to suffer complications later in life. It takes about 10-20 years and then usually an infection sets in. I've witnessed this first hand. A better way to solve hip problems is to consume the essential nutrient the body needs to keep joints and cartelage in working order - natural fats.

So it was you who posted this then. We all have a right to an opinion and mine is that this is the medical equivalent to Flat Earth:
http://www.newmedicine.ca/german-new-medicine.php

Be well everyone /Patrik

PS And since your reply to my question was in essence "read a book" I hoped you would cut me some slack answering. I'm reading it atm. Very interesting. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by Kham » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:52 am

ICfreely,

I am awaiting the answers to your questions as well. Perhaps they cannot be answered which is telling in itself. Your efforts are much appreciated.

Your posts are enlightening and enjoyable. I look forward to many more of them.

Take care,

Kham

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:45 am

@Kham: Yes I haven't answered some "questions". Very telling indeed on my credibility... I find it difficult however to find what those questions would be, sifting through some previous comments. But I noticed I helped you clearing out the difference between nutritional ketosis and ketoacidosis earlier Kham. I hope that was helpful. You're welcome.

I also noticed that ICfreely and Shapstuff seems to find it important to establish is who "owns" this thread...
ICfreely » December 13th, 2018, 1:58 pm wrote:
A DAY AT DOCTOR'S
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This is a longer version created from a piece in my little book Easy Health, which I thought I might offer as an addendum to my 'Engineering Disease' thread.

Humour can be serious stuff. Peter K. Sharpen

Your 'Engineering Disease' thread? Sheesh. I thought this was our 'Engineering Disease' thread. Surely you jest.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by sharpstuff » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:36 am

I have been working on this response for some hours now. Please be aware that I always write in good faith.

In answer to Patrix regarding the 'ownership' of this thread, that was an error on my part in the sense of 'ownership'. I should have said 'started'.

I find it disconcerting that this thread has devolved as it has. However, I wish to address the following in as gentle a manner as I am able.

'Don't hit me!' expostulated Holmes, as Mrs. Hudson was about to lob the pie at his head. 'I meant to say Quail pie, not stale pie.'

Patrix wrote:

I've noticed how my reflections here seems very unpopular among a few CFers. My views are however shared by growing numbers. You see before this "onslaught" of Western diseases we've experienced during the late 20th century, people were eating very differently. And let me assure you it wasn't vegan.

Reflections and views are well enough in their place but need to be explained or expanded upon. And what do numbers have anything to do with it? 6,000,000 (!) people believe in 'germs' so they must exist? Is this the stuff of Cluesforum?

You still refuse to answer questions backing up your views. You pick up on a reference to a site claiming I am telling you to 'go read a book', (which is not correct) and dismiss Hamer's work your consideration it is the 'flat earth' of medicine. This, of course reveals that you have not studied his (and others) work at all. These are hardly the words of a 'researcher' of a whole eight years (or whatever). Try over 60 years research in these matters (when we didn't have YouTube videos)..

Patrix wrote:
And although I agree that for example vaccines and AIDS are disease engineering, let's not forget about the issues that also causes a great deal of suffering - Cancer, heart disease, dementia and diabetes. I've made the case that a diet with plenty of natural fats, less carbohydrates and avoidance of processed vegetable oils and additives is the best way to prevent these problems and that the standard of care with for example chemotherapy, radiation and statins, worsens these conditions rather than cure.
This statement proves either that your indoctrination has been successful or you have failed to do enough research. Of course nutrition is essential, probably the most essential but stating specific 'diets' could be harmful if you have little knowledge of biological 'systems'., especially your own.

Patrix wrote:

So it was you who posted this then. We all have a right to an opinion and mine is that this is the medical equivalent to Flat Earth:
http://www.newmedicine.ca/german-new-medicine.php
I have answered that delightful, well-thought out response above.

'What do you make of that?' asked Holmes as he sawed at his trusty violin with a rosinless bow.
'It sounds like a strangled cat.' replied Watson, covering his ears.
'Evidence, Watson!' cried Holmes. 'Evidence! Show me a cat that can play like that.'
From The Unread Diaries of John H. Watson by PK Sharpen


ICfreely wrote:

Dear all,

If I could go back and do it all over again, I wouldn’t. My efforts on this thread have been futile. It brings out the worst in me. To continue would be detrimental to my mental, physical and spiritual well being. Life is too short & precious. The only thing I believe in and the only thing that sustains me is the grace of God!

Good luck & God bless,
IC
Personally, I would like to know to whom you are referring and could you please paraphrase your efforts, this thread has become full of vagaries it is difficult who is saying what to whom.


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“That which is real cannot be threatened, and that which is unreal does not exist.”

Is this a quote of yours? No author mentioned. Same vagueness as well. Please precisely define 'real'.

Be well.

If you celebrate 'Christmas' or 'New Year' pleased be blessed by your preferences.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:39 am

Uffe Ravnskov: Statin Censorship is Coming
DEBATE. Obviously, our recent papers about the “bad” cholesterol and about the many fraudulent arguments used by the statin supporters have obviously irritated our opponents, because somebody has started a deletion of the cholesterol skeptics from Wikipedia.
https://newsvoice.se/2018/12/uffe-ravns ... -is-coming

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:01 am

@Sharpstuff: And I'm afraid I currently don't have the time to address your post, but that might be just as good since I find it vague and insinuating. Could you please "speak out of the beard" as the saying goes. You seem to take offense on every opportunity and post things like "Writing like this you clearly haven't read this book. I would appreciate a bit more direct criticism if you get my drift. I'd sincerely appreciate that and will be happy to answer as best I can.

Yes I stand by that "New German Medicine" is bunk and I have looked at it. Reason being it is mysticism. I think we can figure out things in medicine without going in that direction.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by simonshack » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:56 am

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Dear all,

Allow me to express my brief, humble and impartial two cents about this discussion - in my function as forum moderator. To be sure - and as you may have noticed - I have no dogs, cats or quails in this "fight", yet I do enjoy reading the contributions of all and sundry. In spite of its oft "antagonistic" tones, I feel that this thread has provided me great insights into many things I had little or no knowledge about. It also provides me, from time to time, with delightful, hearty laughs - such as Sharpstuff's latest Sherlock Holmes quotes... (see his last post above). I do regret ICfreely's apparent departure from the discussion - please reconsider, IC !

With the end-of-year festivities at our doorstep, let us all be a little nicer with each other. It's not like anyone is going to "win" this debate and walk away with a trophy or something.

Season's greetings everyone - and whatever you do and eat, dear friends, stay healthy! :)

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by HonestlyNow » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:28 pm

sharpstuff » December 16th, 2018, 4:36 am wrote:
HonestlyNow wrote:
“That which is real cannot be threatened, and that which is unreal does not exist.”
Is this a quote of yours? No author mentioned. Same vagueness as well. Please precisely define 'real'.
Any vagueness one might perceive was not intended.

The statement was meant by me to be a tagline, where I saw the meaning to be you can't destroy the truth, and that which isn't truth is of no matter. In the last few weeks I have listened to some Marianne Williamson on YouTube, where I heard her say this. I can imagine that she took it from "A Course In Miracles."

I didn't realize that this needed such analyzation. I apologize.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by HonestlyNow » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:57 pm

patrix » December 16th, 2018, 5:01 am wrote: I would appreciate a bit more direct criticism if you get my drift.
Alrighty, then.

I have posed a couple of things for you to address recently.

-1- What have you learned about the two sides of chemistry, the two major fluids in the body, and how, and in what capacity, these basic factors of life are present in what are commonly called "cancer" and other "diseases"?

From what you indicated in the Eng. Nutrition thread, which I bring here for convenience sake, since there's 'crickets chirping' over there right now.

-2- How does not having billions of purposefully-bred animals on this Earth wreak havoc on the ecological system?

-3- Are you still of your often-stated opinion that veganism (or "veganism propaganda") is a psychological operation? If so, how is it so, and to what end?

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