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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:25 pm

On June 10, 2001 Leila Pahlavi (the Shah’s youngest daughter) was found dead in a hotel room in London. Her death was covered by the UK’s Mainstream Media in a ruthless fashion.

Overdose princess 'stole from surgery' ... vanvasagar
Shah's daughter stole to fuel her drug habit
By Neil Tweedie
12:01AM BST 26 Jul 2001

Princess Leila Pahlavi, 31, died alone in her suite at a London hotel after taking prescription drugs and cocaine. She was found in bed, her body emaciated by years of anorexia and bulimia.

A post-mortem examination showed that shortly before her death she had consumed Seconal, the commercial name of the anti-insomnia barbiturate quinalbarbitone, five times higher than the minimum lethal dose, as well as a non-lethal quantity of cocaine.

Mangad Iqbal, a doctor at the Brompton Medical Centre in west London, said he had seen the princess three times in 2001 and had given her various prescriptions.

On the third occasion she had taken prescriptions from his desk while he was out of the room. [Shyster Alert] Two prescriptions were for her and the other three were for different patients.

He had contacted the pharmacy normally used by the princess, but had not told the police.

Dr Paul Knapman, the coroner, was forced to adjourn the hearing after Dr Iqbal gave evidence about the type and quantity of drugs he had supplied which was inconsistent with his statements to the police.

Dr Knapman said: "I would like to know what was prescribed and when, and for what purpose, and what safeguards and thought processes went into it."

There she would meet Dr Lewis Clein, a consultant psychiatrist based in Harley Street, who had been treating the princess for some time. Mrs Dallas found the body on June 10.

Dr Clein said the princess had told him that she was taking 40 tablets of the sleeping drug Rohypnol each night, instead of the recommended two, and 30 tablets of another drug. [Shyster Alert]

She was addicted to the benzodiazepine family of drugs used to treat, among other conditions, insomnia, but was also taking much-more-dangerous barbiturates.

The inquest was adjourned until Aug 8, when Dr Iqbal must provide a full list of the drugs he prescribed for the princess. ... habit.html

1) Seconal (Secobarbital sodium, quinalbarbitone) is the most frequently used drug in physician-assisted suicide within the United States.

2) A full list of the drugs prescribed for Leila Pahlavi by Doctors Iqbal and Clein never materialized.

Walk a mile in her shoes before judging her. She was forced to flee her country at an early age and shortly thereafter lost her father to cancer treatment. Her late father was portrayed as a “ruthless dictator” in the international press and seen as “weak” by many Iranians who thought he should have stood his ground and wiped out the mullahs to save Iran.

Inquiry ordered into doctor who supplied drugs to the Shah of Iran's daughter before her death

By Kim Sengupta
Thursday 26 July 2001 00:00

In the one hour and 33 minutes before the inquest was adjourned, it had been told how the life of the princess, the daughter of the King of Kings, the Light of the Aryans, the vice-regent of God, had slowly disintegrated since, at the age of eight, she had fled Iran with her family because of the revolution there.

The court was told Dr Nathaniel Carey, of the Department of Forensic Medicine at King's College London, had concluded from post-mortem results that Princess Leila had died of quinalbarbitone – or Seconal – poisoning.

After her daughter's death Queen Farah said in Paris: "We took the children in the middle of the night to a camp. Can you imagine what that meant to an eight-year-old child? Then there was the separation. While we [the Shah and the Queen] went from country to country, our children had to stay in the US. On television people spoke bluntly about Iran, about the assassinations, arrests, dramas and the separation of families. We didn't pay much attention to the feelings of a small eight- year-old girl." ... 48409.html

I know this is way off topic but seeing as Kim Sengupta decided to insert this “disparaging” non sequitur into his (?) article I may as well address it.

The Shah wasn’t some megalomaniac who woke up one day and decide to call himself "King of Kings". The term "Shah-en-Shah" has been associated with the Crown ever since the days of Cyrus the Great. King of Kings of Iran, not the whole world!

The word “Aryan” has a negative connotation and has been associated with race supremacy ever since Germany’s Nazi movement. We Iranians have referred to ourselves as Irooni since time immemorial and have never been advocates of any sort of “master race” nonsense. You need a little clarity? Check the similarity: Aryan – Iranian. How this term got incorporated into Deutschland’s vernacular is beyond me.
Note to Hitler: ‘nazi’ is Hebrew for Prince ... for-prince
Unlike the Queen of England, the Shah didn’t claim to be a 144th generation descendant of King David. G-d save the Queen and her fascist regime.

In Farsi "Aryamehr" means "Light of the Aryans". In Armenian "Aryan" means "Of the Blood" and "Aryamehr" means "Of the Mother's Blood." In Assyrian "Gupta" means "Cheese." So thank you very much for you cheesy non sequitur Mr. Sengupta.

Anyway, ten years after Leila’s death her brother turned up dead under equally shady circumstances.

Tormented by his sister's suicide: Shah of Iran's son shoots himself after moving to America to begin a new life

Princeton-educated Mr Pahlavi, who was studying for his doctorate in philosophy and ancient Iranian studies at Harvard, never recovered from the loss of his younger sister, Leila.

A one-time model for Italian designer Valentino, she too suffered from bouts of deep depression and also battled anorexia and bulimia.

She was found dead in her room at the Leonard Hotel in London in 2001 when she was 31, after taking a cocktail of cocaine and a prescription drug. ... e-U-S.html

RIP Leila & Alireza Pahlavi.


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Mad in America – Science, Psychiatry and Social Justice

"We Speak for the Dead to Protect the Living”

SSRI Stories is a collection of over 5,000 stories that have appeared in the media (newspapers, TV, scientific journals) in which prescription drugs were mentioned and in which the drugs may be linked to a variety of adverse outcomes including violence.

Climate Change Negatively Impacts Mental Health, Study Finds :rolleyes: ... udy-finds/

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by VonCrowne » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:40 pm

There has to be an even deeper reason for this state of affairs beyond Big Pharma's financial gain.
Control would be the answer.

From John Taylor Gatto, New York City Teacher of the Year 1989, 1990, and 1991, and New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991,
The second document, the gigantic Behavioral Science Teacher Education Project, outlined teaching reforms to be forced on the country after 1967. If you ever want to hunt this thing down, it bears the U.S. Office of Education Contract Number OEC-0-9-320424-4042 (B10). The document sets out clearly the intentions of its creators — nothing less than "impersonal manipulation" through schooling of a future America in which "few will be able to maintain control over their opinions," an America in which "each individual receives at birth a multi-purpose identification number" which enables employers and other controllers to keep track of underlings and to expose them to direct or subliminal influence when necessary. Readers learned that "chemical experimentation" on minors would be normal procedure in this post-1967 world, a pointed foreshadowing of the massive Ritalin interventions which now accompany the practice of forced schooling.

The Behavioral Science Teacher Education Project identified the future as one "in which a small elite" will control all important matters, one where participatory democracy will largely disappear. Children are made to see, through school experiences, that their classmates are so cruel and irresponsible, so inadequate to the task of self-discipline, and so ignorant they need to be controlled and regulated for society’s good. Under such a logical regime, school terror can only be regarded as good advertising. It is sobering to think of mass schooling as a vast demonstration project of human inadequacy, but that is at least one of its functions.

Post-modern schooling, we are told, is to focus on "pleasure cultivation" and on "other attitudes and skills compatible with a non-work world." Thus the socialization classroom of the century’s beginning — itself a radical departure from schooling for mental and character development — can be seen to have evolved by 1967 into a full-scale laboratory for psychological experimentation. ... to-440.pdf

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:21 pm

I have a relative who was in the teaching profession, and was asked on a regular basis by parents/ caretakers to confirm that ' little Johnny/Joannie ' was showing signs of AHDH, when in fact these children were just disruptive and uncontrollable from poor parenting. Now why would the Government condone this?

Why wouldn’t the government condone it? The sicker & more numbed out the populace, the easier it is to control. I would expect the government to promote it.

SSRI Stories –Antidepressant Nightmares

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This updated site includes the stories from the previous site and new ones from 2011 to date. We have used a new “category” classification system on the new stories. We are working back through previously SSRI Stories to bring them into the new classification system. In the meantime use the search box in the upper right column to search through both the old and the new stories.

SSRI Stories focuses primarily on problems caused by selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), of which Prozac (fluoxetine) was the first. For more see About SSRIs. Other medications prescribed as antidepressants that fit the “nightmares” theme of the collected stories are sometimes included.

Behind the scenes at the NHS

SSRIstories is dedicated to posting news articles about antidepressant problems. Many of us have long suspected that many suicides and homicides in the news are medication-induced even though medication is never mentioned, and where no contributory role is suspected by officialdom. There is a U.K. organization called Hundredfamilies ( ). It is concerned about homicides committed by people who are mentally ill, and wants the government to do more to prevent these deaths. In fact, the NHS often does review or investigate such cases, where a perpetrator was receiving mental health care from them. These independent reviews offer a fascinating glimpse behind the scenes.
Want the government to do more? This is the epitome of slave mentality!

A lot of libertarian types use the following Thomas Jefferson quote to stress the point that people shouldn’t rely on government solutions.
If a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty & property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information…
Sounds good in theory but here’s the catch:
…Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
What a load of $chitt. Since the advent of the Gutenberg Press the press has never been “free.” It all boils down to taking personal responsibility. The truth shall set you free. Not "peer-reviewed controlled studies", the media or governmental bodies.

If people expect the press to be free, they expect what never was & never will be.

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:33 am

File this under: Art Imitating Life
Fake Drug, Fake Illness–People Believe It

Below , Australian artist Justine Cooper created a marketing campaign for a non-existent drug called Havidol (as in Have it All) for Dysphoric Social Attention Consumption Deficit Anxiety Disorder (DSACDAD), which she also invented.

"The thing that amazes me is that it has been folded into real Web sites for panic and anxiety disorder. It's been folded into a Web site for depression. It's been folded into hundreds of art blogs."

Another hillarious parody, also from Australia, is a video describing a new "epidemic":
Motivational Deficiency Disorder: "In its mild forms, persons can't get off the beach…."
See video:

That people are taken in by these parodies is a testament to how the drug industry backed up by psychiatry have insinuated non-diseases into the culture. However, nothing in the parodies compares with the actual nonesense that serves as the diagnostic criteria in psychiatry:

"Disruptive Behaviour Disorder is an expression used to describe a set of externalising negativistic behaviours that co-occur during childhood; and which are referred to collectively in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: Fourth Edition (DSM-IV) as:

"Attention-Deficit and Disruptive Behaviour Disorders".

There are three subgroups of externalising behaviours:
Oppositional Defiant disorder (ODD);
Conduct Disorder (CD);
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)

Oppositional Defiant disorder (ODD): often loses temper, often argues with adults, often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules, often deliberately annoys people, often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehaviour, is often touchy or easily annoyed by others, is often angry and resentful, is often spiteful or vindictive-

"A high level of co-morbidity (almost 95%) was found among 236 ADHD children (aged 6-16 yrs) with conduct disorder, ODD and other related categories (Bird, Gould, & Staghezza Jaramillo, 1994). In an 8 year follow-up study, Barklay and colleagues (1990) found that 80% of the children with ADHD were still hyperactive as adolescents and that 60% of them had developed Oppositional Defiant or Conduct Disorder."

Logically that finding signifies that the "treatments" don't work!
In fact, it appears, children treated for ADHD developed an additional "disorder" ... elieve-it/

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Unread post by Flabbergasted » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:03 pm

[Note by SCS: Per ICfreely’s suggestion- I moved this (and a couple of the below posts) here.]

Since the forum has a chatbox, I figured I´d share some eccentric (but non-hemp-fuelled) trivia...

The crucifish

Brazilian marine catfish (especially the genus Arius) have a rather unique cranium: seen from above it recalls Baphomet or a scary tribal mask; seen from below it bears an amazing resemblance to a crucifix. The crucified figure's head even features a "mouth" and a "halo"! Cooking the fish´s head makes it possible to retrieve other exotic parts, for example a butterfly-like plate (not shown in the drawing) bridging the space between the skull and the powerful dorsal spine, and two large unbreakable heart-shaped otoliths with clearly visible growth rings (like a tree trunk in cross-section).

One could meditate on the possible symbolic value of the shapes and names. To some it might evoke the Manichaean opposition between good and evil, others might see in it the transition (or complementarity?) between Shamanism and Aryan mythology (no less inside a fish!). One could also entertain the notion that the Baphomet of the Knights Templar was not a demonic idol but a kâla-mukha of sorts (a monster guarding the gate of initiation), thus both sides of the skull would suggest "the narrow path" and "dying to this world", resulting in a blissful state of liberated being (the butterfly). Then there is the discovery of "the heart hidden in the cave" (the underside of the skull is dome-like).

I am sure ICfreely and kickstones can find more analogies to boot! :P

The illustration of the cranium is of a 5-kg specimen I caught and dissected myself. There are several species of marine catfish in the tropical Western Atlantic, with "crucifixes", "Baphomets" and "butterflies" of varying design, but the overall architecture is the same.

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:27 pm

simonshack wrote:*
What a brilliant move by our Daily Deceivers: miracle cures / flat earth spam / 911 research - all lumped into the "harmful disinfo" category. The public at large will no doubt applaud Google & Youtube for keeping them (and their children) out of harm's way. -_-

Well, Simon, I’m afraid there are no miracle cures for DPD (Delusional Psychiatric Disorders). :(

Six “diseases” created by big pharma
Posted on October 1, 2015 by Dr. Micozzi

Break the cycle of drug usage

“Fear, faith, and forever” appear to be big pharma’s new “holy” trinity. The new “diseases” big pharma creates are the fear. The “faith” is that there’s a drug that will supposedly treat that disease. And the “forever” is drugs that are designed so that the people who take them never really can tell whether they’re working, or if they really need the drugs in the first place, or when they can stop taking them—if ever.

SIDEBAR: Questioning big pharma’s mental health

Many of big pharma’s new drugs are geared toward psychiatric disorders.

Every drug-addled psychiatrist has protocols for putting people on prescription drugs, from childhood to adolescence to adulthood. But nobody has a clue how to get people off of those drugs.

Children as young as 2 years old are amazingly being diagnosed with conditions like bipolar disorder, depression, and schizophrenia.7 But who can really evaluate such a culture-bound condition in a toddler? We’re creating generations of people who are likely to go from cradle to grave with a prescription for a drug to treat a mental disorder they may not even have.

This problem is compounded by the fact that children’s psychiatrists, who get their patients hooked, then no longer treat them as adults. Then the adult physicians tell these patients they don’t know how to deal with their childhood drugs. (That’s why we should all have great respect for the young adults who have had to wean themselves off these drugs, without medical help, while dealing with all of the other challenges of growing up.)

At least when it comes to addiction to illegal/recreational drugs, doctors know how to manage withdrawal and rehabilitation. But there’s little information on how to do that for people following, and then trying to get off, prescription psychiatric drug protocols.

And that creates millions of literally captive customers for whatever new “mental disorder” drug big pharma can create.

END SIDEBAR ... big-pharma
Fake Diseases… That Nobody Wants (Or Has)!
Posted by ProfKeith | Blog, Mind Health, Problems with Science

Here’s Another Fake Disease

What about Orthorexia nervosa? That sounds horrible doesn’t it? Go on… have a guess!

Orthorexia nervosa is being careful about what you eat! Apparently there’s a new disease going round, especially in places like Germany, Australia and California. Sick people refuse to eat junk any more and insist on eating organic whole foods that taste good.

These sickies might reject sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soy, corn and dairy foods. Not only that but they don’t like to eat any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives (those are also out).

These poor people have Orthorexia, which means (in Greek) “healthy eating disorder”! It affects equal numbers of men and women, but sufferers tend to be aged over 30, middle-class and well-educated, who read about food scares in the papers, research them on the internet, and have the time and money to source what they believe to be purer alternatives.

So let’s summarize then: Junk food eaters are ‘normal’ and ‘sane’ and ‘nourished.’ But health food eaters are diseased, abnormal and malnourished. :lol:

They need medication from nice, kind and wise psychiatrists.

Doesn’t this scare you? I think it should. If rejecting what Big Brother demands is a disease, then they can incarcerate and force-medicate anyone who defies authority. Rebels are sick; they are a danger to others. This is the line that Soviet Russia took under Stalin. Being dissatisfied with the way the government performs means you lose your rights. You are crazy, so that’s OK.

This is where the psychiatric “profession” is leading us and, if like me, you think the psychiatrists are the really crazy, sick, nightmare force for evil, I think you are pretty sane.

Keep eating your health foods, tell authority to piss off, and I think you’ll do just fine!

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Unread post by Mansur » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:35 am

A good catch. --- Maybe it’s acceptable to make an associative connection to this more artistic, modern kind of soothsaying:
" Aus Dintenfleken ganz gering / Entstand der schöne Schmetterling. / Zu solcher Wandlung ich empfehle / Gott meine flekenvolle Seele. --- Justinus Kerner.“ [„From ink spots very few -- Arose butterfly the beautiful. -- To such a change I recommend -- God my spotted soul."]

And may be there is nobody today unfamiliar with this:

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:14 am

These "Daily Deceivers" have myth making down to a science. A basic understanding of their shyster tactics is important in immunizing one's mind to their evil propaganda.


Dreamwork differs from classical dream interpretation in that the aim is to explore the various images and emotions that a dream presents and evokes, while not attempting to come up with a single unique dream meaning. In this way the dream remains "alive" whereas if it has been assigned a specific meaning, it is "finished" (i.e., over and done with). Dreamworkers take the position that a dream may have a variety of meanings depending on the levels (e.g. subjective, objective) that are being explored.

A belief of dreamwork is that each person has his or her own dream "language". Any given place, person, object or symbol can differ in its meaning from dreamer to dreamer and also from time to time in the dreamer's ongoing life situation. Thus someone helping a dreamer get closer to her or his dream through dreamwork adopts an attitude of "not knowing" as far as possible.

In dreamwork it is usual to wait until all the questions have been asked—and the answers carefully listened to—before the dreamworker (or dreamworkers if it is done in a group setting) offers any suggestions about what the dream might mean. In fact, a dreamworker often prefaces any interpretation by saying, "if this were my dream, it might mean..." (a technique first developed by Montague Ullman, Stanley Krippner, and Jeremy Taylor and now widely practiced). In this way, dreamers are not obliged to agree with what is said and may use their own judgment in deciding which comments appear valid or provide insight. If the dreamwork is done in a group, there may well be several things that are said by participants that seem valid to the dreamer but it can also happen that nothing does. Appreciation of the validity or insightfulness of a comment from a dreamwork session can come later, sometimes days after the end of the session.

Dreamwork or dream-work can also refer to Sigmund Freud's idea that a person's forbidden and repressed desires are distorted in dreams, so they appear in disguised forms. The distorting processes in operation can take various form but are referred to, generally, as dreamwork or dream-work.

Psychodynamic perspective

Sigmund Freud's theory of psychoanalysis is largely based on the importance of the unconscious mind
. According to the theory, the unconscious does not only affect a person during the day, but also in dreams. In the psychodynamic perspective, the transferring of unconscious thoughts into consciousness is called dreamwork (German: Traumwerk)...
Dreams in Myth, Medicine, and Movies – Sharon Packer (2002)

Cinema--invented just before psychoanalysis formally developed--primed the public and scholars to rethink ideas about dreams. The author describes how surrealist artists purposely applied Freudian dream theories to their art to make the public aware of modern ideas about dreams. Most of our current cultural consciousness about the psychological value of dreams is traced to classical and contemporary cinema. This work examines how residuals of past approaches to dreams make conceptions of dreams in psychoanalysis and science more complex than ever today.

Scholars and students in the fields of psychology, psychiatry, cinema, medicine, and religion may find this volume useful. The book also examines academic psychiatry's increased emphasis in dream study on neuropsychiatry and psychopharmocology, as well as managed care's decreased compensation for dream therapy.

Freud’s The Interpretation of Dreams may have been a significant inspiration for Spielberg’s specific approach to cinema, but film history suggests that film influenced Freudianism (if not also Freud) before Freud influenced film…

That is not to say Freud and the psychoanalysts who followed him had no impact on film. The example of Steven Spielberg’s Dreamworks is a testimony to the contrary ... ud&f=false
A.I. Artificial Intelligence dir. by Steven Spielberg (review)
Rodney Hill

Based on the short story "Supertoys Last All Summer Long," by Brian Aldiss, A.I. Artificial Intelligence was conceived as a film project by the legendary producer-director Stanley Kubrick but was eventually realized after his death by his friend Steven Spielberg. Both the story and the film deal with an android "boy" and his human "mother"; but Aldiss's story takes an overtly political tack—emphasizing the ironically dehumanizing aspects of technological advancements by way of the mother's lonely, isolated existence—while Spielberg's film offers up a Freudian drama, centering on the robot boy and his quest for a loving relationship with the mother. Drawing (in no small measure) from Kubrick's own interests in Freudian and Jungian psychology, A.I. Artificial Intelligence has a clear mythological dimension dealing with what it means to be "real"—i.e., what it means to be human.

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Unread post by ICfreely » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:31 pm

Oh my. I had a gut felling Flabbergasted’s post would lead to Hermann Rorschach’s Psychodiagnostik at some point. :P

Moving the last few posts here to the “Psychiatry” thread may perhaps add to the topic? Don’t know. But good work, guys!
Dyslexia - Glynis Kozma

Dyslexia Checklist for Children in Primary School
How to Tell if a Primary School Student may have Dyslexia

Reading Difficulties
• gets sounds in words muddled up (e.g., says flutterby for butterfly) ... rtjuly.pdf

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:54 am


At an early age I learned to read and write Armenian, Farsi and English concurrently; three drastically different languages. Seeing as I’m left-handed I preferred writing in Farsi because it is written right to left (no smudging). For me, English (American dialect) was, by far, the easiest language to learn followed by Farsi. Ironically Armenian (my native tongue) was/is the hardest (38 letter alphabet). Although scholars always speak of the “two main forms of Armenian” there are actually over 20 distinct dialects.
The two main modern forms of Armenian emerged during the 19th century when the traditional Armenian homeland was divided between the Russian and Ottoman Empires. Western Armenian developed among Armenians who had moved to Constantinople, while Eastern Armenian developed among Armenians living in Tbilisi in Georgia.
The dialect I speak (Parskahayeren) is neither Eastern nor Western.
( ... armenians/)
Having an alphabet allowed Armenians not only to translate the Bible into their own language but works of Christian theology, saints' lives, history, and works of classical literature as well. It also allowed them to develop scholarly institutions and a literature of their own.

"Within a century, Armenians had a library of classical and Christian learning and were able to build their own literary tradition. As a result, they became independent and almost self-sufficient, and they became impervious to attempts by Rome to Hellenize them or attempts by the Sassanian empire to re-impose Persian culture on them."

" [Mesrop] Mashtots' real achievement was to create a culture that became a repository for both Eastern and Western traditions, that was cosmopolitan, but had a strong anchor of its own. He made Armenia a culture of the book, a 'bibliocracy,' and that has been their key to survival, because you can carry a book into exile, but you can't carry mountains and trees."


I’ve always been a voracious reader with a passion for etymology, polysemy and alphanumeric characters. When I speed read I have a tendency to see words backwards and jumble word sequences (comes in pretty handy for word search puzzles). I can keep this in check by slowing my reading pace. Basically, I’ve learned to turn it off & on at will. The first time I heard the word “dyslexia” was on “a very special episode” of Silver Spoons. Ricky Schroder’s character (I believe) had this supposed “learning disability” and his dad and teacher reassured him that it wasn’t his fault…

I never bought into the “learning disability” BS. Not for a minute. Never have, never will!


There's no single test that can diagnose dyslexia. A number of factors are considered, such as:

• Your child's development, educational issues and medical history. The doctor will likely ask you questions about these areas and want to know about any conditions that run in the family, including whether any family members have a learning disability.

• Home life. The doctor may ask for a description of your family and home life, including who lives at home and whether there are any problems at home.

• Questionnaires. The doctor may have your child, family members or teachers answer written questions. Your child may be asked to take tests to identify reading and language abilities.

• Vision, hearing and brain (neurological) tests. These can help determine whether another disorder may be causing or adding to your child's poor reading ability.

• Psychological testing. The doctor may ask you and your child questions to better understand your child's mental health. This can help determine whether social problems, anxiety or depression may be limiting your child's abilities.

• Testing reading and other academic skills. Your child may take a set of educational tests and have the process and quality of reading skills analyzed by a reading expert.


There's no known way to correct the underlying brain abnormality that causes dyslexia — dyslexia is a lifelong problem. However, early detection and evaluation to determine specific needs and appropriate treatment can improve success. ... c-20353557

IMO, the above psychobabble is designed to fool people into believing that a strength is a weakness. The Mayo Clinic can take its “early detection” and “appropriate treatment” and shove it.

Visual Dyslexia: New study is all sizzle, no steak
Abigail Marshall October 21, 2017

A new research report about dyslexia and vision has been drawing outsized media attention, with hyped up headlines that suggest a breakthrough discovery as to the cause and treatment of dyslexia

But the reality is far more modest: a brief report by two French physicists who have not previously studied dyslexia, exploring a previously unexamined quirk of visual perception that seems to be associated with dyslexia – at least among the thirty adult dyslexic students that participated.

Mark Twain is credited with saying, “A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” And this certainly seems true of internet memes and clickbait.

That “foveascope”? Turns out that was a device that the researchers [Guy Ropars and Albert Le Floch] invented
. Why did they invent it? Because direct comparison of the outline of the right and left fovea centralis was “out of reach” because “the analysis has to be made post-mortem.” No, they didn’t “look into the eyes” of their subjects — instead they created an experimental protocol where they induced their living adult subjects to experience an after-image effect and to report and describe what they saw. Which would tell us nothing about what children might see, or think they see, in a similar setting. Logically it would seem to be no more or less reliable for diagnostic purposes than asking a person whether the letters seem to move on the page.

This is nothing more than a medicalization of yet another non-problem.


Seeing as butterflies flutter by wouldn't "flutterby" be a more apropos name?

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:03 pm

What Is the Rorschach Inkblot Test?
By Kendra Cherry | Reviewed by Steven Gans, MD
Updated August 27, 2018

The Rorschach inkblot test is a type of projective psychological test created in 1921 by a Swiss psychologist named Hermann Rorschach. Often utilized to assess personality and emotional functioning, it is the second most commonly used forensic test after the MMPI-2. One 1995 survey of 412 clinical psychologists by the American Psychological Association revealed that 82% used the Rorschach inkblot test at least occasionally.

The History of the Rorschach Inkblot Test
Rorschach was certainly not the first to suggest that a person's interpretation of an ambiguous scene might reveal hidden aspects of that individual's personality. He may have been inspired to create his famous test by a variety of influences.

As a boy, Rorschach had a great appreciation for klecksography or the art of making images from inkblots. As he grew older, Rorschach developed a mutual interest in art and psychoanalysis. He even published papers analyzing the artwork of mental patients, suggesting that the art they produced could be used to learn more about their personalities.

One game created in 1896 even involved creating inkblot monsters to use then [sic] as prompts for stories or verse. Alfred Binet had also experimented with the idea of using inkblots as a way to test creativity and originally planned to include inkblots in his intelligence tests. Inspired perhaps by both his childhood hobbies and his studies of Sigmund Freud's dream symbolism, Rorschach began to develop a systematic approach to using inkblots as an assessment tool.

How Is the Inkblot Test Used as a Diagnostic Tool?
While the Rorschach has long been a popular psychological test, its value has also been heavily questioned. Surveys have suggested that between 43 and 77 percent of clinical psychologists use the Rorschach as an assessment tool. However, one review concluded that the Rorschach test had little validity as a diagnostic instrument. ... st-2795806
Can we trust the Rorschach test?
To its critics, it is dangerous pseudoscience. To its supporters, it offers unique insights. What is the future of this controversial psychological test?
by Damion Searls

Rorschach knew that he wanted to be a doctor from an early age, but at 19 he wrote to his sister: “I never again want to read just books, I want to read people … The most interesting thing in nature is the human soul, and the greatest thing a person can do is to heal these souls, sick souls.”

Rorschach’s family were not wealthy, but he managed to scrape together the funds to attend university and, a few weeks shy of his 20th birthday, he arrived in Zurich. In the early 1900s, Zurich had replaced Vienna as the epicentre of the Freudian revolution. Its university psychiatric clinic – known as the Burghölzli – became the first in the world to use psychoanalytic treatment methods. Rorschach’s supervisor, Eugen Bleuler, was a highly respected psychiatrist, and the first to bring the theories of Sigmund Freud into professional medicine. As a student, Rorschach attended lectures by Carl Jung. ... ts-history

I for one trust the Rorschach test about as much as I trust carnival psychics and internet astrologers.

Moving on, the history of Sigmund Freud & Carl Jung (their collaboration and ultimate falling out) is nothing short of fascinating. One point of contention between these mental mavericks was the “Oedipus complex” thing.

Meet King Tut’s Father, Egypt’s First Revolutionary
Akhenaten upended the religion, art, and politics of ancient Egypt, and then his legacy was buried. Now he endures as a symbol of change.
By Peter Hessler

That modern mirror of Akhenaten has reflected almost every identity imaginable. The king has been portrayed as a proto-Christian, a peace-loving environmentalist, an out-and-proud homosexual, and a totalitarian dictator. His image was embraced with equal enthusiasm by both the Nazis and the Afrocentrist movement. Thomas Mann, Naguib Mahfouz, and Frida Kahlo all incorporated the pharaoh into their art. When Philip Glass wrote three operas about visionary thinkers, his trinity consisted of Albert Einstein, Mahatma Gandhi, and Akhenaten. Sigmund Freud once fainted :lol: during a heated argument with Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung about whether the Egyptian king had suffered from excessive love of his mother. (Freud’s diagnosis: Akhenaten was oedipal, almost a thousand years before Oedipus.) ... gypt-king/
What Is an Oedipus Complex
Explore one of Freud's most controversial yet enduring concepts
By Kendra Cherry | Reviewed by Steven Gans, MD
Updated September 20, 2018

The Oedipal complex, also known as the Oedipus complex, is a term used by Sigmund Freud in his theory of psychosexual stages of development to describe a child's feelings of desire for his or her opposite-sex parent and jealousy and anger toward his or her same-sex parent. Essentially, a boy feels that he is competing with his father for possession of his mother, while a girl feels that she is competing with her mother for her father's affections. According to Freud, children view their same-sex parent as a rival for the opposite-sex parent's attentions and affections.

The Origins of the Oedipal Complex

Freud first proposed the concept of the Oedipal complex in his 1899 book The Interpretation of Dreams, although he did not formally begin using the term Oedipus complex until the year 1910. The concept became increasingly important as he continued to develop his concept of psychosexual development.
Freud named the complex after the character in Sophocles' Oedipus Rex who accidentally kills his father and marries his mother.
In the Greek myth, Oedipus is abandoned at birth and thus does not know who his parents are. It is only after he had killed his father and married his mother that he learns their true identities.
... ... ex-2795403

That’s right, folks. This sick coked out incestuous freak is the paragon of modern mental health. There’s an Armenian term for people like him – Mehr Kunatz (Mother F**ker)!

Moses and Monotheism

2010 Reprint of 1939 Edition. In Moses and Monotheism, Freud speculates that Moses was not Jewish, but actually born into Ancient Egyptian nobility and was perhaps a follower of Akhenaten, an ancient Egyptian monotheist. Freud further suggests that Moses led only his close followers into freedom during an unstable period in Egyptian history and that his followers subsequently killed Moses in rebellion afterward. Freud speculates that the guilt from the murder of Moses is inherited through the generations; this guilt then drives the Jews to religion to make them feel better. ... 157898937X
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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by ICfreely » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:33 am

That’s right, folks. This sick coked out...

Lest I be accused of recklessly defaming the “marvelous” memory of St. Freud without proper citation, here are six sources:

A Brief History of Freud's Love Affair with Cocaine
The founder of psychoanalysis had a serious blow habit. ... th-cocaine

Sigmund Freud's cocaine problem ... e-problem/

That Time Sigmund Freud Nearly Killed a Patient—and Then Got Hooked on Cocaine ... n-cocaine/

3 Facts You Might Not Know about Freud and His Biggest Addiction ... addiction/

Cocaine: How ‘Miracle Drug’ Nearly Destroyed Sigmund Freud, William Halsted ... am-halsted

Sigmund Freud recommended cocaine for treatment of many physical and mental issues ... al-issues/
[Note: These are the top six (of about 353,000) results of a simple “Sigmund Freud cocaine” Google search.]

Perhaps a coke binge crash was what caused his fainting spell during that heated argument with Jung. I'm only speculating of course. You never know with long term Class C narcotic junkies like him. Too bad there were no Betty Ford clinics back then to help him out with his disease of addiction. :(

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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by sharpstuff » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:23 am


I have to say you have been posting some very interesting data regarding the Myth of Psychiatry and am in complete agreement with your observations and your excellent research, most of which I have also explored now for a long time. You have my respect.

One of our problems when discussing contentious subjects with others (about all sorts or 'established' notions) is that they are so firmly entrenched and been so 'fashioned' that even compos mentis posters here find it difficult to face up to the fact that they have been (and apparently continue to be) hoodwinked par excellence.

For example, rejecting the 'germ' theory must reject anything and everything that has to do with it. That is (for example) rejecting vaccination, immune systems, viruses, cell theory, D.N.A., 'disease' theory and goodness knows what else.

These views are not holistic. The Universe is holistic and cannot be otherwise since all 'things' are connected (in some way) to everything else. So-called 'particle' theories may be useful (although I have no idea how) but they 'explain' nothing or no thing (as an entity in itself).


Your posts on this fiction 'science' are in accord with many of the dissenters from the self-appointed 'establishment's' cocaine addict, friend and colleague Mr. S. Freud (whose apparent grandson Clement Freud is also a known weirdo and not a nice person who had a penchant for little girls which his wife has not denied). I am not citing sources, they are legion on the Internets. I am not saying they are true or false, I cannot know.

There is no objection to studying how human minds work but they must be all conjecture, however presented. Interesting but not to make money from, the essence of peddling all these 'theories' (a.k.a. fictional stories, like I must say, having a museum of Sherlock Holmes' 'artifacts' as though they were (as the character) real!).

Who pushes, Jung or Adler?


I am saying nothing regarding my own experiences with dyslexia. I have had none. I have, however, been a teacher of students with 'learning' difficulties and observable physical disabilities for many mature years.

I beg you to take a look at this excellent documentary from the U.K. 'Dispatches' programme. It should answer a number of questions besides that of 'dyslexia'.

I made a VHS copy years ago but I see some-one has posted one to YouTube.


Chaos theory

Another documentary worth watching, if you haven't seen it for a number of reasons. It is quite old. I can't find it on YouTube but I have a VHS copy (now mpeg2) which I have uploaded to my MEGA account as Mpeg rather than YouTube.!6k5UTC5D!CBICjF-1GiGQ ... KvWAhn7qYI

Be well.


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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by Mansur » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:42 am

ICfreely » February 3rd, 2019, 11:31 pm wrote:Oh my. I had a gut felling Flabbergasted’s post would lead to Hermann Rorschach’s Psychodiagnostik at some point.
Flabbergasted’s post was, imho, quite explicitly intended to the Chatbox, it could have been enough just to quote the post here. (Quite appropriate would it be though to a “Psychology” thread -- in the sense as I once read in a book written by a Hindu that “psychology is the science of sciences” and not one among others.)

It was me who made the connection between the nice drawing of the catfish cranium and klecksography, and then (maybe inspired somewhat by the fine irony I felt in that post about our predilection of harboring conspiracy views) the famous Rorschach tables.

(Btw I know the Chuang-tzu parable with the following words at the end: “Things can change to such an extent!”)

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Klecksography is the art of making images with inkblots. Spots of ink are dropped onto a piece of paper, which is then folded while still wet to create mirrored patterns. Symmetry most powerfully stimulates, apophenia, the human tendency to see meaningful patterns in random data… ... ksography/
This book could serve as an illustration of how “powerfully stimulates the symmetry” human fantasy… and in what directions or at what levels: ... 5452-h.htm

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Rorschach's father, an art teacher, encouraged him to express himself creatively through painting and drawing conventional pictures. As the time of his high school graduation approached, he could not decide between a career in art and one in science. He wrote a letter to the famous German biologist Ernst Haeckel asking his advice. A major factor that lead Rorschach to differ from his father and not pursue art was that his father passed away while he was still trying to decide what to study.
A very familiar modern dilemma: whether to be a conventional artist -- or a revolutionary scientist.
While working at the hospital, Rorschach finished his doctoral dissertation in 1912 under the eminent psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler...
This Eugen Bleuer is who „left” the psychoanalytic movement in 1911 with the statement often quoted that
..."this 'all or nothing' is in my opinion necessary for religious communities and useful for political parties...but for science I consider it harmful".
Though he
„...remained interested in Freud's work, citing him favourably, for example, in his often reprinted Textbook of Psychiatry (1916). He also supported the nomination of Freud for the Nobel Prize in the late twenties.”
[Eugen] Bleuler wrote in 1911: "When the disease process flares up, it is more correct, in my view, to talk in terms of deteriorating attacks, rather than its recurrence. Of course the term recurrence is more comforting to a patient and his relatives than the notion of progressively deteriorating attacks." (See Noll, American Madness, pages 236–242.) The eugenic sterilization of persons diagnosed with (and viewed as predisposed to) schizophrenia was advocated by Bleuler. He argued that racial deterioration would result from the propagation of mental and physical cripples in his Textbook of Psychiatry:

The more severely burdened should not propagate themselves... If we do nothing but make mental and physical cripples capable of propagating themselves, and the healthy stocks have to limit the number of their children because so much has to be done for the maintenance of others, if natural selection is generally suppressed, then unless we will get new measures our race must rapidly deteriorate.

As a series of letters demonstrates (published in English in 2003), Bleuler performed a self [?] -analysis with Freud, beginning in 1905
We know that orthodox Freudism is a sect, it is Hebraic and it is fascist.

No matter how long you are searching among the leading figures of psychoanalysis you find groups or companies always similar to this one:


Jung’s name should not be mentioned, imho, in the same place, with the same breath, with that of Freud, as “anti-Freudians” are doing throughout the net!
...Sigmund Freud once fainted during a heated argument with Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung about whether the Egyptian king had suffered from excessive love of his mother. (Freud’s diagnosis: Akhenaten was oedipal, almost a thousand years before Oedipus.) … ... gypt-king/
(What was the story of Akhenaton? -- When there is an “Oedipal complex” in the human constitution, even our father Adam had to possess it, hadn’t he? ---)

The source of this anecdote seems to me very doubtful; -- but Jung himself tells us quite a few personal thing (in his Erinnerungen and in other places) to the same effect.

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The patriarch emerges: ... hy-4020307
Freud continued to develop his ideas about the unconscious, talk therapy, and other theories. He first used the term "psychoanalysis" in 1896. After his father's death in 1896, Freud began an extended period of self-analysis. During this time, Freud exchanged many letters with his friend, William Fleiss, a Berlin doctor who shared a great deal in common with Freud. In his letters, Freud theorized on the hidden meaning of dreams and his own intense feelings of love for his mother, which would eventually lead to his notion of the Oedipal complex. "I have found, in my own case," he wrote, "being in love with my mother and jealous of my father, and I now consider it a universal event in early childhood" (Freud, 1897).
So, maybe, it was really a crucial thing -- to him.

The central (i.e. the real or actual) question of modern psychology is the psychology of the psychologist. The „Oedipal complex” has certainly a reality, just as other trivial things have reality in their own levels.

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A modern satirist said in a short story, referring to this „complex”, that : „There is something feminine in me, -- maybe this is because my mother was a woman.”
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Re: Psychiatry

Unread post by Mansur » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:13 am

Sigmund Freud once fainted….
I found the place in question : (in Jung’s Memories, Dreams, Reflections)
The year 1909 proved decisive for our relationship. I had been invited to lecture on the association experiment at Clark University in Worcester, Massachusetts. Independently, Freud had also received an invitation, and we decided to travel together. We met in Bremen, where Ferenczi joined us. In Bremen the much-discussed incident of Freud's fainting fit occurred. It was provoked -- indirectly -- by my interest in the "peat-bog corpses." I knew that in certain districts of Northern Germany; these so-called bog corpses were to be found. They are the bodies of prehistoric men who either drowned in the marshes or were buried there. The bog water in which the bodies lie contains humic acid, which consumes the bones and simultaneously tans the skin, so that it and the hair are perfectly preserved. In essence this is a process of natural mummification, in the course of which the bodies are pressed flat by the weight of the peat. Such remains are occasionally turned up by peat diggers in Holstein, Denmark, and Sweden.

Having read about these peat-bog corpses, I recalled them when we were in Bremen, but, being a bit muddled, confused them with the mummies in the lead cellars of the city. This interest of mine got on Freud's nerves. "Why are you so concerned with these corpses?" he asked me several times. He was inordinately vexed by the whole thing and during one such conversation, while we were having dinner together, he sudden fainted. Afterward he said to me that he was convinced that all this chatter about corpses meant I had death-wishes toward him. I was more than surprised by this interpretation. I was alarmed by the intensity of his fantasies -- so strong that, obviously, they could cause him to faint.

In a similar connection Freud once more suffered a fainting fit in my presence. This was during the Psychoanalytic Congress in Munich in 1912. Someone had turned the conversation to Amenophis IV (Ikhnaton). The point was made that as a result of his negative attitude toward his father he had destroyed his father's cartouches on the steles, and that at the back of his great creation of a monotheistic religion there lurked a father complex. This sort of thing irritated me, and I attempted to argue that Amenophis had been a creative and profoundly religious person whose acts could not be explained by personal resistances toward his father. On the contrary, I said, he had held the memory of his father in honor, and his zeal for destruction had been directed only against the name of the god Amon, which he had everywhere annihilated; it was also chiseled out of the cartouches of his father Amon-hotep. Moreover, other pharaohs had replaced the names of their actual or divine forefathers on monuments and statues by their own, feeling that they had a right to do so since they were incarnations of the same god. Yet they, I pointed out, had inaugurated neither a new style nor a new religion.

At that moment Freud slid off his chair in a faint. Everyone clustered helplessly around him. I picked him up, carried him into the next room, and laid him on a sofa. As I was carrying him, he half came to, and I shall never forget the look he cast at me. In his weakness he looked at me as if I were his father. Whatever other causes may have contributed to this faint -- the atmosphere was very tense -- the fantasy of father-murder was common to both cases.

At the time Freud frequently made allusions indicating that he regarded me as his successor. These hints were embarrassing to me, for I knew that I would never be able to uphold his views properly, that is to say, as he intended them. On the other hand I had not yet succeeded in working out my criticisms in such a manner that they would carry any weight with him, and my respect for him was too great for me to want to force him to come finally to grips with my own ideas.-- l was by no means charmed by the thought of being burdened, virtually over my own head, with the leadership of a party. In the first place that sort of thing was not in my nature; in the second place I could not sacrifice my intellectual independence; and in the third place such luster was highly unwelcome to me since it would only deflect me from my real aims. I was concerned with investigating truth, not with questions of personal prestige. ... g_djvu.txt

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