sharpstuff wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:51 am
Why does anyone want to believe the Titanic was a complete hoax. Please give pertinent reasons.
Now, I don't know that the story is a complete
hoax - it may be around 85-99% hoax. The story is very dodgy and very hoaxy.
To begin with, you can be pretty sure that if a movie is made about an event, that event is likely a hoax to one degree or another.
And according to Waki, there have been 18 films made about the Titanic. That’s 18 reasons to suspect a hoax right there.
Waki includes this ‘jump the shark’ factoid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... he_Titanic
“Saved from the Titanic” was:
Co-written by and starring Titanic survivor Dorothy Gibson and released only 29 days after it sank.
jump ---- the ---- shark
Some other reasons have already been brought up in the thread. There is the predictive programming: the book “Futility / Wreck of the Titan” and Stead's own books, “From the Old World to the New” and “"How the Mail Steamer Went Down in Mid Atlantic by a Survivor"
Perhaps Sharpstuff you have not been researching Stead with deception in mind. You have been looking at other angles. Did you know that in both of these two stories a ship hit an iceberg?
Wiki says this about the latter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_M ... a_Survivor
How the Mail Steamer Went Down in Mid Atlantic by a Survivor" is a short story that was published in the 22 March 1886, issue of the Pall Mall Gazette by the English investigative journalist and newspaper editor William Thomas Stead. Stead included this editorial comment: "This is exactly what might take place and will take place if liners are sent to sea short of boats".
And then Stead dies on the Titanic?
Doesn't that remind you of that 911 story about that (CIA or FBI or whatever) guy who was responsible for hunting Bin Laden and happened to die in one of the twin towers? That's what it reminds me of.
At this point, the Titanic story is sinking, sorry, stinking mightily.
Another thing, and I didn’t know about this until I began poking around a couple of days ago, there are apparently thousands of fake survivors.
There is a book out called “Titanic Imposters” by Kyrila Scully, apparently a mainstream Titanic researcher.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-review ... ll_reviews
TITANIC IMPOSTERS tells the story of the most famous shipwreck of the 20th century from the most unique perspective. Over 7,000 people pretended to be survivors of the RMS Titanic, when the ship sank on April 15, 1912. This book reveals the forgotten and overlooked stories of many of those people. Find out the various reasons why these people went through life living an infamous lie! Written by Kyrila Scully, with a foreword by George Behe, this book is a must-have for every Titanic enthusiast.
Over at the website “Encyclopedia Titanica” there are discussions about a few of these Titanic fakers - and these guys too seem to be believing the mainstream version of events, these are not "conspiracy" types.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/c ... survivors/
And, yet there they are pointing out the fakers. So which ones are genuine?
Here is 'survivor' William Hall, looking very sus
The interviewer is trying to keep a straight face.
Interviewer: When did you know something was wrong?
Hall: When I was really in the life boat and I actually saw the thing up t- t- t-t (stutter) sort of turn on it’s end (gesticulating the ship’s rotation) and go .... go down I think that that would be the first time this is what I think now.
Here is Thomas Taverner, competing for the dodgiest survivor award.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/c ... mp4.40520/
Interviewer: you saw this giant ship go up in the air?
Taverner: yes, went straight up (glances up)
Interviewer: she went down forehead (??) first
Taverner: yes, straight down like a ...like..(undecipherable) straight and ...perpendicular
Interviewer: Tell me what grounds did they base this saying the ship that couldn’t sink, on what grounds did they base this
Taverner: Well they reckon that ... I don’t think...I-I-I can’t see that she would have sunk meself... had she got little less injured than she did. Even one hole less would have kept her afloat.
Ludicrous. The story has now jumped the shark while that shark was jumping another shark.
And I haven't been cherry picking these. These two, and a third one, are the only survivor videos I have seen. (And in that third vid, the woman claimed to be in her boat in the icy water and to have heard the band playing as the ship went down!!)
I don’t buy the idea that these fakers are out for money or fame. The interviewers have to be in on it.
What reporter would risk their career and dare fake a story of such a tragic event?
The only way this could happen is if they were sanctioned. Since they know it is all bull, they know they can lie as they please.
I think the comparison of the sinking of the Titanic to 911 is apt.
They were both-
-huge media events
-preceded by much predictive programming
-surrounded by myth and conspiracy
-with many fake survivors
I just got this image of Mohammad Atta at the flight controls. He is piloting this iceberg and BAM! Explosion! The Titanic is vertical.