Malaysia Flight MH17

[ElSushi]

What a mad, mad world we live in.

Indeed, Simon...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsHSHE-iJQ

[simonshack]

one thing that we can ascertain is that our spooky perpetrators are trying hard to bring a strong sense of realism to their fabricated pictures.

I guess good'ol Alfred would say... "Everything is relative, even realism"

[icarusinbound]

one thing that we can ascertain is that our spooky perpetrators are trying hard to bring a strong sense of realism to their fabricated pictures.

I guess good'ol Alfred would say... "Everything is relative, even realism"

Were MH17 'satellite images' photoshopped? Report slams new surveillance pictures released by Russian state broadcaster as a 'shoddy fake'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fake.html

So I wonder if this is real reporting of an actual news item regarding a faked event?

Or a fake news item about a false faked event? It has all the classic tags of a disinfo special.


Also this YouTube 'debunking':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNAf2v4APw


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNAf2v4APw

[CIE]

Were MH17 'satellite images' photoshopped? Report slams new surveillance pictures released by Russian state broadcaster as a 'shoddy fake'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fake.html

This one was exposed as a fake by German researchers, the size of the fighter does not match the size of the ground if it would have been taken from a satellite. However it "maybe" right if this would be taken from a higher flying plane. Also the missile launch looks not real to me - another fact if this would an IR missile they are best shot from behind angle of the target cause these missiles fly into the heat of the engines. It could a radar missile "ofc". In short I don´t think this is real. The plane is a Mig 29 which would fit however to the arsenal of both Russia and Ukraine. This is not a Su25, which was claimed by "conspiray nuts" to be offending fighter in most reports.

Also I noted in this thread is missing this nice video (press conference US): Does she say any truth at all, what do you think?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQRvINebeok

We need to wait a bit, in July there will be the next (final?) report of this event by the Dutch safety board. Don´t we have any Dutch people here, who can research the victims in "real life" ?

[mnew9]

The charade still continues. Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, while out election campaigning, just happened to bump into the father of one of the MH17 victims. What are the odds, eh? Turnbull then proceeded, in front of the cameras of course, to hug and comfort the weeping man.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-14/e ... im/7414766

[pov603]

Amazing how these things gain traction.

In yesterday's English Premier game between Newcastle United vs Tottenham Hotspur the crowd began applauding during the 17th minute apparently in 'tribute' to some vicsims from Newcastle who were allegedly on that flight.

The link below is from an earlier report as it seems this 'applause' has continued during Newcastle's subsequent home games.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-28759545

It has become noticeable over the last few years that Football [Soccer] is becoming more and more 'affected' by world events.

It could possibly be a 'launchpad' for TPTB to run scenarios of how they can influence 'Joe Public'.

There are now plenty of teams' fans who adopt these minutes of applause to 'signal' something.

It most likely engenders them with a 'feelgood' moment.

Also it was not lost on me that the 'Paris Attacks' coincided with France vs Germany, previously the Tunisia Beach attack had a strange correlation with English Football, and last but not least the farcical events in Manchester at Manchester United's game vs AFC Bournemouth in Old Trafford Stadium, yesterday.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36297390

Dont forget that there is massive influence [not just in the English game] from foreign bodies connected with the travel/airlines industry i.e. QPR sponsored by Malaysia Airlines, now owned by Tony Fernandes [of Malaysia] and sponsored by Asia Air, Arsenal owned/sponsored by Emirates Airlines, Manchester City owned/sponsored by Etihad Airways [I may have said before sometime, but it always makes me chuckle, 'Etihad' in Gulf Arabic translates to 'United' ].

Sorry to take this slightly off track but 'mods' feel free to move to a more appropriate place if needs be.

[brianv]

The charade still continues. Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, while out election campaigning, just happened to bump into the father of one of the MH17 victims. What are the odds, eh? Turnbull then proceeded, in front of the cameras of course, to hug and comfort the weeping man.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-14/e ... im/7414766

These events are being orchestrated to serve politicians. What a creepy image. The usually attired suspects.

later:

Looking closer at the image shows it to be a digital composite.

[hoi.polloi]

Yup. Good eye, brianv.

So many of the Ministerial/Presidential images are touched up before release. So inserting a composite like this into an article wouldn't make most people bat an eye.

Oh, the bad photoshopping they get away with!

[panertos]

I'm quite certain that this is not a vicsim hoax.

I personally know one person who died, a friend of a good friend. I am 100% sure about the accuracy in this case.

What, in my opinion, sets this apart from 9/11 is that 9/11 had isolated names without any information about family trees, books, or publications.

When I looked into the victims here, I found many connections, and there were no isolated records. Families are documented in MyHeritage, small schools and businesses are organizing condolences for their employees, there are remembrances on various websites, and even scientific publications. I have no doubts about the crash here. Moreover, there were no "pulverized" planes as there were in 9/11.

I believe this situation is more in line with the Ukrainians creating a "Casus Belli" to frame the Russians, possibly as a precursor to the "Bucha genocide," the cut gas pipeline between Russia and Germany, or any of the other theatrics we have witnessed. The same hyperlocal conflict was occurring in the northeast of Ukraine at that time as well.

On January 25, 2023, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that it could adjudicate the case against Russia because evidence had established that the separatist militias were "under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation" and that Moscow "had a significant influence on the separatists' military strategy".

So the state are full framing it here. It stinks, but in my opinion not on the vicsim side.

[TErikson]

Panertos, do you have the means to find out more about this "friend of a friend"? But then, almost ten years later...

That the alleged victims are real people is a fact that has been widely observed over at least the last ten years.

[panertos]

Panertos, do you have the means to find out more about this "friend of a friend"? But then, almost ten years later...

That the alleged victims are real people is a fact that has been widely observed over at least the last ten years.

Yes that's what I mean to say, I think these are no simulated victims. Very different front the 9/11 "victims" (very compelling research here). So trying to go deeper then on what is the political / power edge in this event as it's so heavily covered in propaganda.

I'm interested to learn which tools those in power are willing to employ and in which situations with which goal.

Is shooting a plane from the air with civilians part of the toolkit? Or is it waiting for events which can used for propagandistic goals? Or is it setting up a culture or structure in which these events can happen? (E.g. the shaping of the culture of racism, by constantly talking about it it becomes a reality) Or is it a simulated event?

And all these methods are used, and I'm wondering what do we see in this case.