OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[Makkonen]

It would be nice to know what does Willy think of the timeless Picassoan beauty represented in the faces of "Victoria Stenberg" and "Tamta Liparteliani"?

To paraphrase Benny (s)Hill, How many Norwegians had their lips ripped off and someone else's sewn onto their faces with Photoshop? It's no big deal, probably a lot.

Hehheh, indeed.

[Makkonen]

"Ustad has also written a couple of non-fiction books about flying saucers."

Here's one of them: "UFO i Norge": (Of course, everyone knows Ufo's are commonplace in Norway. )

Heh, interesting kind of resonance that with the Norway Spiral. I wonder if Willy has provided any analysis on that...

"No, an alien invasion will not be staged as an excuse to psy op the whole globe... and the crafts they use shall look like this: "

[Benny Hill]

Get your facts straight!
So its really no big deal.

If you wonder why norwegians dont jump on your bandwagon, you can start by looking at the loads and loads of factual errors your so-called investigation contains.

Do we really need such an obvious shill on this thread/board/forum? He's about as 100% transparent as his 100% posting history here.

By all means, feel free to ban me, and me and the other shills can continue to laugh at the stupid things you come up with

Midnight sun in the oslo area in late july, uniforms in norwegian prisons, breviviks van on utøya, the amazing insight in numbet of toilets on the island, fake bulletholes on the memorial rock on the island, that after all was not in the island after all, so maybe it was birdshit, the absence of loved ones showing up on this forum which means no loved ones exists, and when someone shows up..ooh they must be fake because real ones wouldnt show up..

The facination with the color red, the GTKYV fiasco, where any norwegian troll could come up with loads of information you experts missed, the missing feedback from simons norwegian friends, the weird interest in clothing stores, psyopps with product placement..sponsored by gina trickot right

And the list goes on and on. But by all means, continue your investigation, and pleade kick it up a notch, why dont you leave the bubble you have made around yourself, register on a norwegian forum like vg and try to sell your theories to the general public, or how about a lecture series in norway? Or maybe sue someone, i would love to see how your proof hold up in court!

Seriously guys, kick it up a notch! Take it to the next level! Give us more fun

[Maat]

Don't know if it's been posted already (in which case you can get rid of it):

Video of the relatives visit in Utoya:
http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/oslo-at ... pagefrom=1

and video of the return of Breivik:
http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/oslo-at ... pagefrom=1

Both from Italian online newspaper La Repubblica.

These earlier great links by I@N went underappreciated because they were posted just before the coordinated troll attacks began. But now they can resurface peacefully.

I love this one: http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/oslo-at ... pagefrom=1

Even if we cheekily brushed away the nonsensical location of the supposed memorial (in the proverbial middle of nowhere), how can we explain what we see at 00:43, in the left side of the picture? Yes, it is a bus stop sign.



I think no satisfactory explanation can be given for this bizarre combination of a "memorial site" and a "bus stop".
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Whichever route we take in this (no pun intended), the only result is absurdity/bizarreness of the highest order. The whole Norway "terror" hoax has put all of Dali's combined works to shame in terms of levels of absolute and relative surrealism that can be achieved. How many more months 'til the world as a whole wakes up to this pathetic mess?

Thank you for those links I@N, and Makk for reviving them.

The "Bus Stop" insert was evidently meant to suggest 'roadside in community' for social reference 'realism'. But since it's really a cartoon, it fails!

That Repubblica video is actually a perfect example for demonstrating their montage techniques using stills, CGI layers and animation. There are no 'real', 'live' or 'on site' shots in any of it!

A la Stoltenburg + 'Rose & Fist audience' and 'Uncle' Hugo's "memorial visits", all courtesy of PoopShoop Perp Central, this one uses even more tricks and animation to achieve the illusion of a real site location and real people.

The 'memorial' scenes are all stills, either panned across with simulated 'camera shake' or focused on one spot using animation. E.g. In the beginning close-ups, see how the lantern's 'candle flame' is static, with just a widened blur, while a few leaves are animated on the right for the 'live' breeze effect.

The 'memorial' shot with a 'couple' on the left is only a still composition with shooped sims,
darkened as usual to hide that fact:


Meet the Simstones!
When lightened up we can see how cartoony it is (pixel crash on the bus stop pole?)


Then it cuts to a more photo-style still of the Sims' heads & shoulders, with a touch of animation + 'camera shake',
but sans 'memorial' or any recognizable location reference.


The familiar sign in all the U-toy-a Island shots is Distance + unnatural colors & darkening = SIMS
(just 'new improved' versions of 'Bob & Bri's 9/11 sims of 5 years ago!)

The magically revolving broken jetty post is there too, of course. That's their signature!



Oh, and they get the booby prize for worst soundtrack ever , that looped slopping water simulation sounds like a bathtub!

[Makkonen]

Thanks for the additional analysis on the "bus stop memorial" and all the other stuff in the video, Maat!

[simonshack]

Give us more fun

Nah - you are much better at it, Benny.



http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vokterne

"...det meste som en fantasihungrig ung leser kan ønske seg"
(...the most that a fantasy-hungry young reader could wish for")

Thanks for providing a link to that hit piece 'thrashing' the Cluesforum by that old fart of a science-fiction writer-cum-former-military-man, Willy Ustad. I am still reeling in laughter ! Keep it up!

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(Fred, please let me keep Benny (s)Hill as a member of this forum. We need some humorous entertainment here to keep us going !)

[nonhocapito]

Dear Willy Ustad,
thanks for your interest in the cluesforum.

Let me tell you how disappointed I am to see a writer and a novelist like yourself to sink this low in its observations and comments.
I mean, not that I am familiar with any of the stuff you have written. After this I am not particularly curious either.

Despite your literary profession, in fact, you fail to notice the dramatic plot errors and the absurd lack of veracity in so many details in this story.

Is your literary craftsmanship not offended to see families of victims on a tour to visit the locations where their dear ones died?
Would a detail like this find a place in any of your novels?

Does your literary taste accept the hollow and rhetorical and phony memorials (such as this one http://solirenulvang.com/2011/07/24/syn ... -22-07-11/) that have been written so far for these so called victims by their so called friends?
Don't you smell the phoniness in the language, the expressions, the exhibitionism, the lack of credibility?

Is your knowledge of reality not bothered by accounts of personal witnesses that include exploding heads of mothers and friends? Would your characters relate such stories to the public barely hours or days from the events?

Do you find the images of the aftermath in Oslo natural, where a sizable crowd of youngsters is seen idling around the destruction with no firemen or police in sight?

Do you find Anders Breivik a credible character?
Do you accept the skull cardigans on the memorial pictures as accidental?
Do you find the roses and the pagan rock altars spontaneous?

Are you willing to vouch that "victims" like Hanne Lovlie, Jon Verlag, Tuve Knutsen, Synne Royneland, Monica Bosei and others mentioned on this thread are real people? Is it because the media say so?

If the answer to all the above is 'yes', I'm afraid you're a tool, mr Ustad. Not a serious writer.

[Maat]

Holy crap, Willy datsU for reels? Looking like Richard Attenborough's retarded brother, chases UFOs & writes hearsay stories and made-up crap as "fact" — actually sounds more like a Rotters or AFnPerp "journalist" to me!

Ooh looky, here's one Willy...

Catch it, quick!




Much better if ya 'caught it' like this though, make everyone's 'dream come true' then, eh...



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Just read: Review on Willy's UFO in Norway by Grandahl Dreyer.

Last para:
"The book's only shortcoming is that it so much based on documents and report forms and almost never on living people that it gets a little flat. I miss the feeling that there are people of flesh and blood who have experienced the events."

That's a huge "shortcoming" in my book ...So, he got all his 'info' second hand (including perp 'officials', naturally). Nuff said

[reel.deal]

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[Unleashed]

Benny, Willy whoever you are, FYI the importance of the Facebook is, it is a world-wide phenomena.
Particularly with the age group of the vicsims. For them to NOT have one in the past, but suddenly have one created recently for them in the weeks leading up to 7/22 is considered notable, if not down right suspect.

You don't appear from your resume to be much of an investigator, but more a social commentator.
Like which dog food is preferred by more pets kind of stories or whether or not we're more likely to be visited by Zetas from Reticuli, or tall Nordic Pleiadians.

[Terence.drew]

Benny, Willy whoever you are, FYI the importance of the Facebook is, it is a world-wide phenomena.
Particularly with the age group of the vicsims. For them to NOT have one in the past, but suddenly have one created recently for them in the weeks leading up to 7/22 is considered notable, if not down right suspect.

You don't appear from your resume to be much of an investigator, but more a social commentator.
Like which dog food is preferred by more pets kind of stories or whether or not we're more likely to be visited by Zetas from Reticuli, or tall Nordic Pleiadians.

For sure Unleashed. The Perps try and cover all the bases and stops but such a feat will always be technically impossible. The hope as always is, is that the wave of media generated hysteria can paper any cracks in the immediate aftermath of the hoax, before the event is handed over to the kooky but very smart conspiracy theory 'crew' who will use the holes in the story (deliberate or overlooked), to string out for years those doubters in the rest of the population who didn't quite swallow everything . The holes in the narrative then become huge government phantoms in these peoples' minds to haunt them and fill their imaginations with dread. In turn they feel helpless to do anything about something so big. A perfect circle. The Heart of darkness.

The huge hole exposed at the end of September Clues is an all time classic moment and deserves its own website http://www.all-time-classic-moment.com.

3 plane loads of passengers due in at the airport and not one family member there. Brilliant.

So here we are with this terrible massacre on the island.

600 euro kids (all teenagers where I come from have mobiles and take pictures all the time to post on the net) and not one picture of them waiting on the mainland before they went over.

The boat must have crossed up to 15 times to facilitate 600 people and not one photo of rustbucket posted up onto social media at the time (instantly) or viewed later in tabloid style smiles to tears photos. Stupid patchy social network make believe sites created. What a fucking joke.

600 euro kids = thousands of photos. Hell if I was in that situation I would defo try take a photo of the mad killer to show my mates being a teenager and needing the kudos.

Your lies are busted Norway.

[brianv]

"to show my mates being a teenager and needing the kudos. "

That is exactly what the perps were relying on to carry this off! Teenagers and kudos! "A few fakebook pages some spotty teens and we're good to go!" Some product placement-like crap sweatshop clothing where everyone looks the same and voila! Roses thats a good one!

Were you at Woodstock? Few will answer "No".

[Benny Hill]

Benny, Willy whoever you are, FYI the importance of the Facebook is, it is a world-wide phenomena.
Particularly with the age group of the vicsims. For them to NOT have one in the past, but suddenly have one created recently for them in the weeks leading up to 7/22 is considered notable, if not down right suspect.

You don't appear from your resume to be much of an investigator, but more a social commentator.
Like which dog food is preferred by more pets kind of stories or whether or not we're more likely to be visited by Zetas from Reticuli, or tall Nordic Pleiadians.

Actually no one here could ever be called investigators. Im pretty sure real investigators, you know people who actually get paid to investigate crimes, and have some cind of education on the subject would not be very impressed with the quality of the stuff you come up with....You might wanna try this approach:

Lets look at a victim from the area where I grew up.. Ida Beathe Rogne..She went to Lena VDG (I know where the school is) and was about to start her third year there.

She was had her burial ceremony in Hoff Kirke and was probably buried in the cemetery there. The priest is named Lasse Gran, he also accompanied the family to Utøya when relatives were invited. Now here is the results of a googlesearch on him:

http://www.google.com/search?q=sognepre ... 1I7GGHP_en

Quite a lot of hits, dont you think? Not that many directly connected to Utøya and Ida Beathe. So we should be pretty sure he exists, right? To find out 100% would be easy, just go to the next service in that church.. So maybe the clergy is in on it then? What do you think the going rate for the Clergy is to be paid off as actors of an evil goverment scam?

This article in the local paper covers her memorial ceremony on the first day of school:

http://www.oa.no/nyheter/gjovik_toten/a ... 708205.ece

The prinicpial at the school, Torfinn Overn, held a speech, as a principal would do. He exists, I have played football against him some 20 years ago, so he must be an actor, right? Or paid by goverment..How much is he paid you think?

Then we have the 3 girls, her best friends in class it seems:

Mette Dalane (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php? ... 1648642817)
Oda Therese Glommen (http://www.facebook.com/#!/odajinta)
Elin Sveen Haugen (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php? ... 1780350767)

All three with facebook profiles, two of them with open profiles. Are you saying these girls doesnt exist? Or are they actors? Is it not quite risky to have a bunch of teenage girls as actors here? I mean, they are normally not that good to keep secrets, right?

So maybe they dont dont exist? But then how do you explain their facebooks? One of them is (Elin Sveen Haugen) in a relationship with a guy named Pål Glemmestad it seems. Glemmestad is a quite regular name in my area. Now does he exist? Also listed a brother (Pål Sveen Haugen), does he exist? And 257 friends in total? Are they made up entities? All of them? Nah, all of them cant be. I recognise some names on her list personally, even though we dont have any friends in common.

So in summary, this article, which is quite short, and not really a deepdive into Ida Beathes life still names 4 people that we must be pretty sure exists. As I said I can personally confirm the principal. Now these 4 people knows a lot of other people..And so and so and so.

So then i wonder. How many actors or made up entities are involved in covering up for 1 fake victim? How many is it when you multiply with 77?

Another fun instance about the GTKYV fiasco was Victoria Stenberg, end the boyfriend Vetle Håkon Solvik, which for some reason was translated as Prince, (how on gods green eart you managed that I will never know) Here is his Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=702411392) Picture of Victoria as profile pics, 428 friends and loads of interest? Is this person, and his Facebook fake (and where is proof of that) or is he simply an actor as well?

Now if you are doing serious investigations you should dive into this material, not bus-stop signs and such..

[nonhocapito]

I don't know if this has been mentioned already (sorry if I am stating the obvious here).

I think I figured where exactly are the pagan rock altars on the mainland. They must be located within the grounds of the Utvika Camping, a camping site that faces Utoya island.
Here is its website: http://www.utvika.no/
On google maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=60 ... 16&vpsrc=0

The facebook page of Utvika shows how the rock pictures come from the camping site: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Utvika-Ca ... ?sk=photos (they seem to be located on a pier in front of the camping- you will appreciate the numerous roses and memorial cards pictures also featured on this facebook page).



The German "tourist" (actually a military man) who allegedly "rescued teens escaping from the island" was staying at the camping site of Utvika.


"A scumbag in pose for a fake story". From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43880728/ns ... -massacre/

I think this location had and is having a crucial role in the whole scenario. Who owns Utvika Camping?

[nonhocapito]

Lets look at a victim from the area where I grew up.. Ida Beathe Rogne..

Ida Beathe Rogne, eh?
I found this page about her, which seems to me another hollow, meaningless memorial with a few pictures: http://idacudii.blogg.no/1311443993_hvi ... beath.html

You gotta appreciate how in this picture Beathe Rogne is the one without the striped shirt:

while in the following four pictures she is the one with the striped shirt:


maybe the two girls exchanged sweaters during the photoshoot... or the photoshoppers got confused... it is hard to tell considering all the pictures are (once again) completely without exif information.

Strangely enough Rogne is featured with her striped shirt in another picture that appears to be taken in a completely different context:

From http://viglemmerikke.no/ida_beathe_rogne.html

BTW, Benny Hill, the method you seem to follow is not very popular around here. We are not here to verify everything and to respond to every input given to us like robots. We are here to find the elements that don't seem to work, according to our preferences and hunches: not to obsess on those that seem to work. It is sufficient to find some clues to fakery to question the whole thing, it is not up to us to explain to you how things were worked out in their entirety.
In any case, whatever your conformist opinions are, keep your preaching to yourself. You are obviously not interested in the research on media fakery, you only want to be reassured and reassure others on the withstanding of the official lies. Go be a journalist or something.