Cluesforum—Exposing Mass Deception

nonhocapito wrote:

Benny Hill wrote:Lets look at a victim from the area where I grew up.. Ida Beathe Rogne..

Ida Beathe Rogne, eh?
I found this page about her, which seems to me another hollow, meaningless memorial with a few pictures: http://idacudii.blogg.no/1311443993_hvi ... beath.html

You gotta appreciate how in this picture Beathe Rogne is the one without the striped shirt:

while in the following four pictures she is the one with the striped shirt:


maybe the two girls exchanged sweaters during the photoshoot... or the photoshoppers got confused... it is hard to tell considering all the pictures are (once again) completely without exif information.

Strangely enough Rogne is featured with her striped shirt in another picture that appears to be taken in a completely different context:

From http://viglemmerikke.no/ida_beathe_rogne.html

BTW, Benny Hill, the method you seem to follow is not very popular around here. We are not here to verify everything and to respond to every input given to us like robots. We are here to find the elements that don't seem to work, according to our preferences and hunches: not to obsess on those that seem to work. It is sufficient to find some clues to fakery to question the whole thing, it is not up to us to explain to you how things were worked out in their entirety.
In any case, whatever your conformist opinions are, keep your preaching to yourself. You are obviously not interested in the research on media fakery, you only want to be reassured and reassure others on the withstanding of the official lies. Go be a journalist or something.

Benny Hill wrote:
Yeah, this would probably be the first time in history that female friends have ever swapped clothes before... Oh wait...

Benny Hill wrote:

Unleashed wrote:Benny, Willy whoever you are, FYI the importance of the Facebook is, it is a world-wide phenomena.
Particularly with the age group of the vicsims. For them to NOT have one in the past, but suddenly have one created recently for them in the weeks leading up to 7/22 is considered notable, if not down right suspect.

You don't appear from your resume to be much of an investigator, but more a social commentator.
Like which dog food is preferred by more pets kind of stories or whether or not we're more likely to be visited by Zetas from Reticuli, or tall Nordic Pleiadians.

Actually no one here could ever be called investigators. Im pretty sure real investigators, you know people who actually get paid to investigate crimes, and have some cind of education on the subject would not be very impressed with the quality of the stuff you come up with....You might wanna try this approach:

Lets look at a victim from the area where I grew up.. Ida Beathe Rogne..She went to Lena VDG (I know where the school is) and was about to start her third year there.

She was had her burial ceremony in Hoff Kirke and was probably buried in the cemetery there. The priest is named Lasse Gran, he also accompanied the family to Utøya when relatives were invited. Now here is the results of a googlesearch on him:

http://www.google.com/search?q=sognepre ... 1I7GGHP_en

Quite a lot of hits, dont you think? Not that many directly connected to Utøya and Ida Beathe. So we should be pretty sure he exists, right? To find out 100% would be easy, just go to the next service in that church.. So maybe the clergy is in on it then? What do you think the going rate for the Clergy is to be paid off as actors of an evil goverment scam?

This article in the local paper covers her memorial ceremony on the first day of school:

http://www.oa.no/nyheter/gjovik_toten/a ... 708205.ece

The prinicpial at the school, Torfinn Overn, held a speech, as a principal would do. He exists, I have played football against him some 20 years ago, so he must be an actor, right? Or paid by goverment..How much is he paid you think?

Then we have the 3 girls, her best friends in class it seems:

Mette Dalane (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php? ... 1648642817)
Oda Therese Glommen (http://www.facebook.com/#!/odajinta)
Elin Sveen Haugen (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php? ... 1780350767)

All three with facebook profiles, two of them with open profiles. Are you saying these girls doesnt exist? Or are they actors? Is it not quite risky to have a bunch of teenage girls as actors here? I mean, they are normally not that good to keep secrets, right?

So maybe they dont dont exist? But then how do you explain their facebooks? One of them is (Elin Sveen Haugen) in a relationship with a guy named Pål Glemmestad it seems. Glemmestad is a quite regular name in my area. Now does he exist? Also listed a brother (Pål Sveen Haugen), does he exist? And 257 friends in total? Are they made up entities? All of them? Nah, all of them cant be. I recognise some names on her list personally, even though we dont have any friends in common.

So in summary, this article, which is quite short, and not really a deepdive into Ida Beathes life still names 4 people that we must be pretty sure exists. As I said I can personally confirm the principal. Now these 4 people knows a lot of other people..And so and so and so.

So then i wonder. How many actors or made up entities are involved in covering up for 1 fake victim? How many is it when you multiply with 77?

Another fun instance about the GTKYV fiasco was Victoria Stenberg, end the boyfriend Vetle Håkon Solvik, which for some reason was translated as Prince, (how on gods green eart you managed that I will never know) Here is his Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=702411392) Picture of Victoria as profile pics, 428 friends and loads of interest? Is this person, and his Facebook fake (and where is proof of that) or is he simply an actor as well?

Now if you are doing serious investigations you should dive into this material, not bus-stop signs and such..

Mudkipz wrote:I've read the whole thread and have been paying particular attention to the flurry of passionate Norwegians who have been joining lately. I like to think that pattern recognition is a strong suit of mine and if I'm correct they are in their own retarded way helping the research into the media hoax.

Patterns of troll activity:

1. Join, ignore introduction rule, act sympathetic to media fakery to some degree.
2. Find out where the majour holes are. (i.e. reading GTKYV, realising who needs padding out and having a web history created)
3. Pointing researchers towards this 'new evidence' and accusing them of being amateurs for not finding them.
When someone is lying or attempting to create a fake persona you will always be able to spot them if you can spot a lack or shallowness of affect in speach, the same is true for the written word if you are observant enough. I find 90% of the trolls to be devoid of personality of any kind, their soullesness leaks through their keyboard.

Perhaps the most frustrating thing that they have achieved succesfully is to create an atmosphere of mistrust, on that they have done a good job.

Mudkipz wrote: Is it just me or is there an inconsistency with the table legs? The leftmost of the strange pine effect tables has it's leg placed at the far point of the table as opposed to the other ones visible which seem to have them set at the corners.

The work on this paper was supported by Air Force Research Laboratory, Air Force Material
Command, USAF, under a research grant number F30602-02-2-0093.

So maybe the clergy is in on it then? What do you think the going rate for the Clergy is to be paid off as actors of an evil goverment scam?

RoyBean wrote:Tamta Liparteliani wtf?