SANDY HOOK: Newtown, CT—“School Shooting”: December 14, 2012

Discussing the most relevant "sequels" or "reminders" of 9/11. The so-called "War On Terror" is a global scam finalized to manipulate this world's population with crass fear-mongering tactics designed to scare you shitless.
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Re: SANDY HOOK Newtown,Ct School Shooting 14 dec 2012

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Sisterlover wrote: I think you're probably right! Check out the shadow across Anderson's right sneaker. It's actually lighter in colour than the source of shadow, which is a mighty feat.
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I was going to suggest there is just a mark on the floor like used in staging to insert an image later.
Like when a real person is acting with a cartoon in movies sometimes or like Forrest Gump.

Then I used this to see if there was anything to indicate that.

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... 0b33.79012

What do you think?
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Strange dates indeed

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After being spanked for suggesting entries in the SSDI can be used as reference, when they are evidently baseless, I happened to stumble upon this date (in history) from Findagrave. It might be tripe, but if numerology is the astrology of the fakery movement, and mind control is the 'repressed memory syndrome' then I offer the following, in the interest of good reading.... (coloured quotations are mine...)

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Washington, George [original burial site] b. February 22, 1732 d. December 14, 1799
First US President. George Washington earned the title, 'Father of His Country.' Before the Revolutionary War, there had been thirteen separate colonies, each with its own government. A war had forced them to fight as a single nation. A convention in Philadelphia with representatives from each formed a new independent nation. To the man who stood by and led a ragtag army, helped write the Constitution, worked to have it accepted, was then elected to be its first President. George Washington...[Read More] (Bio by: Donald Greyfield)
Cause of death: Streptococcal infection, acute edema of the larynx
Mount Vernon Estate, Mount Vernon, Fairfax County, Virginia, USA
Plot: Original tomb, not far from final gravesite

Loy, Myrna (Myrna Adele Williams) [cremated remains] b. August 2, 1905 d. December 14, 1993
Actress. Myrna Loy began her career as a dancer before transitioning into films during the silent era and being typecast as exotic women. Her career began to take off during the early 1930's with such films as Arrowsmith (1931) which starred Ronald Colman and Helen Hayes and 1932's "The Mask of Fu Manchu". In the mid 1930s she starred in the films "Manhattan Melodrama" (1934) and "The Thin Man" (1934) which co-starred William Powell. Loy and Powell had great screen chemistry and were paired...[Read More] (Bio by: r77ortiz)
Cause of death: Complications during surgery
Forestvale Cemetery, Helena, Lewis and Clark County, Montana, USA
Plot: East half lot #4 valley view

Maris, Roger b. September 10, 1934 d. December 14, 1985
Major League Baseball Player. Roger Maris was born in Hibbing, Minnesota the son of first generation Croatian Americans. He was a product of summer American Legion baseball in the Fargo area of the state. The summer of 1953 saw him voted American Legion player of the year. Maris signed with the Cleveland Indians who assigned him to his home area team of The Fargo Moorhead Twins. Cleveland called him up in 1957 and traded him to Kansas City who promptly sent him to the Yankees. In 1961, he...[Read More]
Cause of death: Lymphatic Cancer
Holy Cross Cemetery, Fargo, Cass County, North Dakota, USA

Albert, Prince b. August 26, 1819 d. December 14, 1861
English Royalty. He was Prince of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and consort of his cousin, Queen Victoria of Great Britain, whom he married in 1840. A lover of the arts and is famous for the "Great Exhibition of 1851" in London, England, which was the first international exhibition of culture and industry. A great influence on the affairs of the British State, when the United States and England were embroiled the diplomatic crisis...[Read More]
Cause of death: Typhoid
Royal Burial Grounds at Frogmore, Windsor, Berkshire, England


Smith, Clement Leslie b. January 17, 1878 d. December 14, 1927
Somaliland Wars Victoria Cross Recipient. Born in Cowes, England, he served as a Lieutenant in the British Army, attached to the 5th Somaliland Light Infantry. During actions at Jidballi, Somaliland, January 10, 1904, Lieutenant Smith and a medical officer tried to rescue a hospital assistant who was wounded. The heavy enemy fire made this impossible and the hospital assistant was killed. Lieutenant Smith then did all that was possible to bring out the medical officer, helping him to mount a...[Read More] (Bio by: John "J-Cat" Griffith)
English Cemetery, Alassio, Provincia di Savona, Liguria, Italy

Lippmann, Walter b. September 23, 1889 d. December 14, 1974
He was a socialist who co-founded the Harvard Socialist Club and edited the Harvard Monthly. Rejecting his socialism, he became a staunch supporter of Woodrow Wilson and the Democratic Party. For 30 years he wrote the nationally syndicated column "Today and Tomorrow". (Bio by: Ron Moody)
Cremated, Ashes scattered at sea, Ashes scattered off the coast of Maine


De La Cruz, San Juan b. June 24, 1542 d. December 14, 1591
Spanish Religious Figure and Writer. He entered in Carmelitas Order and with Santa Teresa de Jesús, trying to reform this Order. He was in jail for a time. He is remembered for his works full of mysticism. Among the are "Cántico Espiritual," "Noche Oscura," and "Llama de Amor Viva." He was made Saint about 135 years after his death. His real name was Juan de Yepes. (Bio by: José L Bernabé Tronchoni)
Convento de los Carmelitas Descalzos, Segovia, Castilla y Leon, Spain

Bendix, William b. January 14, 1906 d. December 14, 1964
Actor. A gruff, coarse-featured character player, with a voice to match, he was typically seen as a working-class urban type. Bendix received a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination for "Wake Island" (1942), but won his greatest fame as the flustered family man Chester A. Riley in the radio and TV series "The Life of Riley". His signature line from that show, "What a revoltin' development dis is", became a popular catchphrase. Bendix was born in New York City. Contrary to published sources his...[Read More] (Bio by: Robert Edwards)
San Fernando Mission Cemetery, Mission Hills, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Plot: Section D, lot 247, row 14, grave 10

Bissell, Daniel b. 1769 d. December 14, 1833
General Bissell was a military leader. When he was only 12 years old, he was a fifer with Connecticut's troops in the Revolutionary War. In 1788 he enlisted with the U.S. Army, commencing a military career which saw service along the frontier from New Orleans to Canada. As Captain Bissell, he came to Missouri in 1804 where he became a close friend of Daniel Boone. Bissell received the official transfer of the Spanish fort at New Madrid, Missouri; the post was commissioned to him by Captain Amos...[Read More] (Bio by: Connie Nisinger)
Bellefontaine Cemetery, Saint Louis, St. Louis city, Missouri, USA
Plot: Block 60

Washington (Jones), Dinah (Ruth Lee) b. August 29, 1924 d. December 14, 1963
Legendary singer. Nicknamed "Queen of the Blues." Ruth Lee Jones was born in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Her family moved to Chicago three years later. She started her musical career singing gospel and playing piano in the church choir. After seeing Billie Holiday perform, she was influenced to start singing the blues and thereafter performed in local clubs, where local musicians dubbed her "Queen of the Blues." At age 18, she was discovered by Lionel Hampton and was hired to front his band. It is...[Read More] (Bio by: countedx58)
Cause of death: Drug overdose
Burr Oak Cemetery, Alsip, Cook County, Illinois, USA

Ertegün, Ahmet b. July 31, 1923 d. December 14, 2006
Music Impresario. He was a co-founder of Atlantic Records and through this record label he helped define American music by popularizing the earthy Rhythm & Blues of Ray Charles, the classic soul of Aretha Franklin and the British rock of the Rolling Stones. A Turkish ambassador's son, he initially began collecting records as a hobby and later became one of the music industry's most powerful figures with Atlantic Records...[Read More] (Bio by: Fred Beisser)
Özbekler Tekkesi (Uzbek Dervish Lodge), Istanbul, Istanbul, Turkey
Plot: Ertegün family plot

Fell, Norman b. March 24, 1924 d. December 14, 1998
Actor. Born Norman Feld, he was a tail gunner for the Air Force Pacific division during WWII before persuing a career in acting. Star of 30 films including "The Graduate," "Sergeant Ryker," and "Inherit the Wind," he is best known for his role as landlord Stanley Roper on televison's "Threes Company" and "The Ropers," co-starring Audra Lindley as Mrs. Roper and John Ritter as aspiring chef Jack Tripper. This role won him a Golden Globe award for best supporting actor. Other television...[Read More] (Bio by: Hennessy_Bridge)
Cause of death: Cancer
Mount Sinai Memorial Park, Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Plot: Garden of Heritage, Columbarium of Tradition, Niche 1601A

Crain, Jeanne b. May 25, 1925 d. December 14, 2003
Motion Picture Actress. She earned an Oscar Nomination as Best Actress for her film "Pinky" (1949). She also appeared in "State Fair" (1945), "Leave Her to Heaven" (1945), "Margie" (1946) and "A Letter to Three Wives" (1949). She was married to actor Paul Brinkman. (Bio by: José L Bernabé Tronchoni)
Santa Barbara Cemetery, Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara County, California, USA
Plot: Central section, block "n" near marker #154

Gipp, George 'The Gipper' b. February 18, 1895 d. December 14, 1920
Football Player. Legendary Notre Dame and National Hall of Fame Football Player (elected 1951). He was turned into a national legend when actor Ronald Reagan played him in the 1940 movie, "Knute Rockne, All American". Born and raised in Laurium, Michigan, he was a natural athlete, and played track, hockey and baseball in high school. Accepted to Notre Dame University in 1916 for baseball, he was scouted out for the Football team by famed coach Knute Rockne, when Rockne saw him drop kicking a...[Read More] (Bio by: Kit and Morgan Benson)
Cause of death: Pneumonia
Lake View Cemetery, Calumet, Houghton County, Michigan, USA
Plot: Section 20, plot 70

Haskell, Coburn b. December 31, 1868 d. December 14, 1922
Inventor. Born in Boston, Massachusetts, he was an avid golfer and with Bertram G. Work, received a patent for a new modern golf ball on April 11, 1899. Haskell's and Work's ball consisted of rubber thread wrapped around a solid rubber core, which dramatically increased the popularity of golf. In 1901, he established the Haskell Golf Ball Company Ohio, which manufactured the new golf ball and shipped the product world wide. (Bio by: John "J-Cat" Griffith)
Lake View Cemetery, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, USA
Plot: Section 9, Plot 031
GPS coordinates: 41.5111008, -81.5860977 (hddd.dddd)

Sivuca, Senior b. May 26, 1930 d. December 14, 2006
Musician Composer and Musician. Born Severino Dias de Oliveira, he was a master of the accordion-driven forro style music. He began playing the accordion at age 9, performing for fairs, parties and on radio programs. In 1950, he made his first album for Sunnysides Records, which included the hit "Adeus Maria Fulo." He represented Brazil in Europe and was a fixed staff of TV Tupi in 1955 and 1959. In the early 1960s, he joined South African singer Miriam Makeba's group and toured the world...[Read More] (Bio by: John "J-Cat" Griffith)
Parque Das Acacias Cemetery, Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Dethlefsen, Merlyn b. June 29, 1934 d. December 14, 1987
Congressional Medal of Honor recipient. Rank and organization: Major (then Capt.), U.S. Air Force. Place and date: In the air over North Vietnam, 10 March 1967. Entered service at: Royal, lowa. Born: 29 June 1934, Greenville, lowa. Citation: Maj. Dethlefsen was 1 of a flight of F-105 aircraft engaged in a fire suppression mission designed to destroy a key antiaircraft defensive complex containing surface-to-air missiles (SAM), an exceptionally heavy concentration of antiaircraft artillery, and...[Read More]
Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, Arlington County, Virginia, USA
Plot: Section 65 Lot 1626


etc., etc., etc.
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Re: SANDY HOOK Newtown,Ct School Shooting 14 dec 2012

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Unleashed wrote:
Sisterlover wrote:
My fiance noted that Anderson is a cutout. Look how he is totally washed out. Everyone else seems to have "human color". Ever see people take their picture with false leaders like Bill Clinton from fake cutouts? That is what this seems to be. Anderson looks like a stick figure cartoon. My fiance says he looks worse than a caricature :). Ha, this is so shameful :o
I think you're probably right! Check out the shadow across Anderson's right sneaker. It's actually lighter in colour than the source of shadow, which is a mighty feat.[/quote]

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I was going to suggest there is just a mark on the floor like used in staging to insert an image later.
Like when a real person is acting with a cartoon in movies sometimes or like Forrest Gump.

Then I used this to see if there was anything to indicate that.

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... 0b33.79012

What do you think?[/quote]

The more I look, the more screwy the lighting becomes. It's so bright, and comes from so many angles, that it seems the mother requires zinc oxide on her nose to combat burning. Anderson's forehead is bright enough to have a celestial object orbiting it. Whatever is going on at foot level can't be easily described; It's as though we are witnessing the birth of a new galaxy, or some shit. Clearly, someone's been given to much authority with the lens flare option. Is this a NASA picture? I feel like we're about to dock with the International Space Station.
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Re: SANDY HOOK Newtown,Ct School Shooting 14 dec 2012

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Wow, why don't you just invoke archives.com, or rootsweb, or better still the LDS world database? Anybody can submit data to those search engines, and I can guarantee it isn't going to affect search results down the line to have dead-end entries of 6 and 7 year olds fraudulently submitted.
Alrighty then... I challenge you to submit my information to any of the above listed entities, if you believe they are penetrable (which suggests they are not tightly controlled):

Name: Sister G. Lover
BIrth Date: Sept.11, 1969
Death Date: Dec. 14, 2012

Cause of death: vaginal mesh complication.


Awaiting your kind response....
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Re: SANDY HOOK Newtown,Ct School Shooting 14 dec 2012

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TrutherInTX et al wrote:
My fiance noted that Anderson is a cutout. Look how he is totally washed out. Everyone else seems to have "human color". Ever see people take their picture with false leaders like Bill Clinton from fake cutouts? That is what this seems to be. Anderson looks like a stick figure cartoon. My fiance says he looks worse than a caricature :). Ha, this is so shameful :o
I wasn't going to say anything, but now that you mention it, it looks like a REAL pair of shoes with a cutout sitting on top, being held up by da broads.
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Re: SANDY HOOK Newtown,Ct School Shooting 14 dec 2012

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I'm no expert, but to get into the database a survivor supplies the info.
Who on a sim would be supplying the info, you reckon?

Additionally, my understanding is you apply to the Social Security Adm. if you want to claim
a death benefit if the person worked a certain period of time to qualify.

Or, the person has been in receipt of benefits and you wish to notify to cease.

Am I to think either applied to Noah Pozner?

Other than that, the database seems to comb through gleaning info from obits (anybody), or find-a-grave (anybody), or Ancestry type sites, (anybody).

If somebody knows more feel free to correct my info.
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Unleashed wrote:I'm no expert, but to get into the database a survivor supplies the info.
Who on a sim would be supplying the info, you reckon?

Additionally, my understanding is you apply to the Social Security Adm. if you want to claim
a death benefit if the person worked a certain period of time to qualify.

Or, the person has been in receipt of benefits and you wish to notify to cease.

Am I to think either applied to Noah Pozner?

Other than that, the database seems to comb through gleaning info from obits (anybody), or find-a-grave (anybody), or Ancestry type sites, (anybody).

If somebody knows more feel free to correct my info.
No. There can be no survivor of a fake entity, It's probably an algorithm of sorts feeding you this. Either that, or your reallly stupid. Please, don't take this personally.
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Re: SANDY HOOK Newtown,Ct School Shooting 14 dec 2012

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Im starting to think this venue has been duped.
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Re: SANDY HOOK Newtown,Ct School Shooting 14 dec 2012

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Why is the Newtown psy-op so overwhelmingly and spectacularly unconvincing?

While the glaring inconsistencies and the both ludicrous and incomplete storyline are obviously part of 'conspiracy fodder' sideshow, I have been struggling to make sense of why the perps would include so much glaring and obvious fakery. The terrible performances of the 'witnesses' and ' surviving family members' as well as the shoddy photoshopping and green screens are puzzling.

Two possibilities that seem most viable:

1) General escalation of fear-based mind fuckery. Since many people simply cannot face the horror of that media fakery represents, the flagrant flaunting of fakery represents an more aggressive psychological attack of the mass media audience. To face the idea that sociopathic liars have near total control of the information stream produces a tremendous and overwhelming sense of despair in the average viewer. The TV-addicted masses would rather believe the lies that acknowledge that they know only the bullshit that the control freaks pump into their heads via the idiot box. liars. As the lies get more ridiculous, the more paralyzed and hypnotized the average viewer becomes.

2) Discrediting real research into media fakery, especially with regards to 911. We all see the the awful acting on the part of the witnesses and family members, and shoddy photoshopping. The cut and paste clones of Victoria Soto onto different backgrounds, and the photos of Dawn Hochsprung, with impossibly identical expressions, angles and lighting, literally look like they could be left-overs from the 911 victim simulation. But does that prove that they were purely digital creations, like the overwhelming majority of the 911 victims? My fear is that the perps will make it seem as if all the victims were sims, only to reveal some solid evidence that some of victims were in fact actual people.

The atrocious performances of Wayne Carver and Robbie Parker are undeniably examples of bad acting in a psy-op drama, but these two, at least, are also REAL PEOPLE. The repulsive Carver really is the state medical examiner, and certainly a creep, and in on the scam. I was surpised to learn these last few weeks that I actually have friends that went to high school with Robbie Parker, and that the Parker family is well known in Ogden, Utah. While certainly in on the scam, Robbie "Smiley" Parker, like Carver, is NOT a SIM, or mere actor playing a part. These are well-established identities whose participation in the hoax make it very difficult to distinguish between reality and simulation.

Declaring that "these people are all actors," as many posters have done, is going to hurt our case, and make it harder for people to take seriously the actual actors, fakery, and simulation that has been exposed on this site.

This event does feature sloppy 911-esque photoshop techniques, wonky green screens, and piss-poor actors, and this is no accident. Why? In my opinion, it is to mix in these elements with a few 'real' participants, in order to discredit the key findings of cluesforum with regards to victim simulation, video fakery, and the use of actors in staged media events- particularly 911.
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Sisterlover wrote:Im starting to think this venue has been duped.
Would you please use proper grammar and punctuation?
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:lol:
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FYI Google timestamps have put people in prison here in the US and I'm sure in other countries as well, it's evidence that's been ADMISSIBLE in a court of law, they're considered dead accurate! SO some No Name tech dept guy at the company said it was a glitch? How convenient :wacko: United Way and Soto are just 2 smoking guns in an inferno of disinformation and Flat out Lies!

ALSO SC's FAV Guy is at it again.. WHY does he STILL hang up on All callers when the topic of crisis actors and simulated victims comes up? He agrees Holmes and Lanza where under CIA analysis and mind control and both their fathers are wrapped up in the Libor Scandal, agrees that a good portion of Sandy Hook was staged BUT....
He quickly answers a caller's question about Parker's news conference vid saying "You can't say how you'd act in that similar situation?" Caller senses the plug is gonna be pulled on him so quicky asks his opinion on "why the Parker's would set up a donation website on the nite his beloved daughter was murdered?" ALEX JONES answers "I'm NOT gonna talk about families that lost their kids!" Boom ends the call back to talking about guns... WTF??
He's done the same thing for YEARS regarding 911...... I'm pretty sure I already know the answer but I thought I'd run it by our resident Demento's!! :D
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Utah wrote:Why is the Newtown psy-op so overwhelmingly and spectacularly unconvincing?

While the glaring inconsistencies and the both ludicrous and incomplete storyline are obviously part of 'conspiracy fodder' sideshow, I have been struggling to make sense of why the perps would include so much glaring and obvious fakery. The terrible performances of the 'witnesses' and ' surviving family members' as well as the shoddy photoshopping and green screens are puzzling.

Two possibilities that seem most viable:

1) General escalation of fear-based mind fuckery. Since many people simply cannot face the horror of that media fakery represents, the flagrant flaunting of fakery represents an more aggressive psychological attack of the mass media audience. To face the idea that sociopathic liars have near total control of the information stream produces a tremendous and overwhelming sense of despair in the average viewer. The TV-addicted masses would rather believe the lies that acknowledge that they know only the bullshit that the control freaks pump into their heads via the idiot box. liars. As the lies get more ridiculous, the more paralyzed and hypnotized the average viewer becomes.

2) Discrediting real research into media fakery, especially with regards to 911. We all see the the awful acting on the part of the witnesses and family members, and shoddy photoshopping. The cut and paste clones of Victoria Soto onto different backgrounds, and the photos of Dawn Hochsprung, with impossibly identical expressions, angles and lighting, literally look like they could be left-overs from the 911 victim simulation. But does that prove that they were purely digital creations, like the overwhelming majority of the 911 victims? My fear is that the perps will make it seem as if all the victims were sims, only to reveal some solid evidence that some of victims were in fact actual people.

The atrocious performances of Wayne Carver and Robbie Parker are undeniably examples of bad acting in a psy-op drama, but these two, at least, are also REAL PEOPLE. The repulsive Carver really is the state medical examiner, and certainly a creep, and in on the scam. I was surpised to learn these last few weeks that I actually have friends that went to high school with Robbie Parker, and that the Parker family is well known in Ogden, Utah. While certainly in on the scam, Robbie "Smiley" Parker, like Carver, is NOT a SIM, or mere actor playing a part. These are well-established identities whose participation in the hoax make it very difficult to distinguish between reality and simulation.

Declaring that "these people are all actors," as many posters have done, is going to hurt our case, and make it harder for people to take seriously the actual actors, fakery, and simulation that has been exposed on this site.

This event does feature sloppy 911-esque photoshop techniques, wonky green screens, and piss-poor actors, and this is no accident. Why? In my opinion, it is to mix in these elements with a few 'real' participants, in order to discredit the key findings of cluesforum with regards to victim simulation, video fakery, and the use of actors in staged media events- particularly 911.
Nailed it...
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Utah wrote: Two possibilities that seem most viable:

1) General escalation of fear-based mind fuckery.

2) Discrediting real research into media fakery, especially with regards to 911.
Dear Utah,

I find both your points (as elaborated in your above post) quite valid and plausible.

In case you've missed it, here's my fairly similar line of reasoning:
THE 'SHAME' FACTOR
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2379893
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Utah wrote:
The atrocious performances of Wayne Carver and Robbie Parker are undeniably examples of bad acting in a psy-op drama, but these two, at least, are also REAL PEOPLE. The repulsive Carver really is the state medical examiner, and certainly a creep, and in on the scam. I was surpised to learn these last few weeks that I actually have friends that went to high school with Robbie Parker, and that the Parker family is well known in Ogden, Utah.
Why is the Parker family well known in Ogden? Who are your friends that went to school with Robbie Parker?
While certainly in on the scam, Robbie "Smiley" Parker, like Carver, is NOT a SIM, or mere actor playing a part. These are well-established identities whose participation in the hoax make it very difficult to distinguish between reality and simulation.
Parker is not an actor? Yet he is in on the scam? What does this mean?
Declaring that "these people are all actors," as many posters have done, is going to hurt our case, and make it harder for people to take seriously the actual actors, fakery, and simulation that has been exposed on this site.
So, in your view, who are the actual actors and who are not?
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