SANDY HOOK: Newtown, CT—“School Shooting”: December 14, 2012

[zested]

Is it just me or is that a pretty slutty dress for an elementary school teacher to wear? I mean when I was in hs girls would get dress coded for a dress that short in a heart beat. soo much thigh lol But in all seriousness can you imagine what it looked like when she was sitting?

There's something weird about the highlighted section of this photo between the two chairs. Can someone find a larger version or blow this up for analysis?

[dollphin]

@ dollphin

I don't mean to discourage postings by new members but you are mistaken regarding your comments about the lighting in the images you posted. There is nothing wrong with the lighting/shadows in those images. “Having a look at your holiday snaps” as you put it does not make one an expert in photography. And, neither does “having a look at how daylight (sunlight) reflects off peoples' eyeballs in photographs.”

BTW, flash units are used in outdoor daylight shots to control shadows – it's called “fill flash.”

The more I look at these two pictures the more I see that Vicki Soto's faced is based on a combination of the two women in this photograph. Vicki's eyes are based on the woman on the left (eyebrows, eye colour, amount of orbital fat). The rest of her face seems to be based on the woman on the right. Please look at Vicki's right eyebrow (the one on the left of the picture). It looks like a shortened (squattier) version of the woman on the left's right eyebrow. Hope that makes sense.

And, the photo of the 2 women is confusing. Who are the women in the photo? How are they connected to Sandy Hook? Did you just find the photo at random? (The link you provided is no help). Are they simply women with similar features to Soto in your mind or is there some tangible connection?

Oh well...still learning I suppose. My point regarding shadows was that in my holiday photos (and therefore with sunshine lighting part of a subject's face and placing part of it in shadow) was that I never saw different levels of shadow, meaning a light shadow and then a dark shadow resulting from the sun.

The two women's picture has been posted on the internet. The internet address has in its name "victoria-soto-y-nicole-p-rez":
http://trendypicture.com/victoria-soto/ ... p-rez.html
http:/...victoria-soto/2404/victoria-soto-y-nicole-p-rez.html

If you follow the link it says "PICTURE OF VICTORIA SOTO Y NICOLE PEREZ"

There is another link in a right hand frame of the page which is titled "Details". It contains another link (source). If you click on it you get to the web address:
http://fotoblogs.soychile.cl/wp-content ... ctoria.jpg
http:/...soychile.cl/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/victoria.jpg

If you click on the picture details it was last modified 21st January 2012.

When I initially opened up the picture I instantly felt that the lady on the right had a similar smile and look about her to Sandy Hook's Vicki Soto. But as I looked at the picture more I felt that the eyes of the lady on the left were quite similar to Sandy Hook's Vicki Soto in terms of colour, eyebrow hair density, eyebrow shape and orbital fat. I wondered whether Sandy Hook's Vicki Soto's facial appearance was therefore based on a combination of these two women.

Please not that the source (soychile.cl) of the the picture titles the picture "victoria.jpg". The "Victoria Soto" name is added later by the website TrendyPicture.com

[anonjedi2]

Lanza's class photo from when he was younger, taken from this website:
http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/ ... elementary



Some simple observations:

1) Lanza has obviously been photoshopped in. His position is unnatural in relation to the teacher (see Soto's class photo and every other elementary class photo since the beginning of time for comparison).

2) The boy on the far right has also been photoshopped in, perhaps to give the overall picture a more balanced look since they added Lanza in? He has an unnatural lean and is missing his right leg/foot.

[zested]

I find it kind of hilarious that the guy on the right side of the screen wearing the green ribbon is holding one of those infamous forested back drop pictures of a 'victim'. I mean at this point wouldn't you think they'd have real pictures on set rather than the school photos? I mean they "are their families" lol how silly

I know he's taller than her but he's not that tall
and again, no sign of real tears...


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1239915

[simonshack]

Lanza's class photo from when he was younger, taken from this website:
http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/ ... elementary

So what's the deal? Did Adam Lanza attend the Sandy Hook school - YES or NO?

- According to above class photo, Adam attended Sandy Hook school in 1999-2000
- According to below article, he did attend the Sandy Hook school - but only in 2002
- According to "relatives" he NEVER attended Sandy Hook school

What a pathetic mess!

NEWTOWN, Conn. -- The gunman in the mass murder at an elementary school here last week apparently attended the school in 2002.

Despite denials from relatives who said Adam Lanza never attended Sandy Hook Elementary School, Lanza apparently attended the school in fifth grade in fall 2002.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/arti ... ck_check=1

[anonjedi2]

If true, that would make Lanza 10 years old in this photo and put him at his junior year in college today. Did Adam Lanza go to college? Oh right, nobody's seen him for 3 years except when everyone saw him at the shooting range, firing weapons with his mom.

[lux]

@ dollphin

Thanks for the additional info.

[Brutal Metal]

If true, that would make Lanza 10 years old in this photo and put him at his junior year in college today. Did Adam Lanza go to college? Oh right, nobody's seen him for 3 years except when everyone saw him at the shooting range, firing weapons with his mom.

YUP NOBODY in Lanza's Nice neighborhood had any clue who they were, mother OR son
Never saw him playing outside with other kids etc...

[dollphin]

@ Lux (or anyone else who might be able to explain shadows in photographs to me)


I thought that the shadow aspects of the picture above were faked. Vicki Soto's upper right hand cheek is in sunlight. The rest of her face and neck are therefore in shade. Then she has a big black shadow under her chin. So it's almost as if her neck has two different types of shade or shadow, a light shadow and a very dark shadow. But Lux stated that there is nothing wrong with the shadows in the picture because a fill flash would have been used.

To try to understand shadows and fill flashes a little bit better I trundled off to the Victoria's Secrets Swimwear website because I figured the models would be on a sunny beach with lots of sun and therefore lots of shadows.
http://www.victoriassecret.com/swimwear ... ueType=OLS
None of the models faces are ever in two different "darknesses" or "depths" of shadow the way Vicki Soto's is. The depth (of darkness) of the shadow is consistently uniform in all of the pictures I have looked at. Presumably Victoria's Secrets would be employing a fill flash.

Then I had a look at this
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9UCN7bIQ_2A/T ... lash+H.jpg

There is only one "shade" or "darkness" of shadow. Not two, as in the Vicki Soto picture. The little girls right cheek is lit by sunlight and a shadow (of her face and chin) falls diagonally across towards her left side. This is exactly what I would have expected in the Vicki Soto photograph. A shadow falling diagonally across towards her left side.

Just really confused.

[lux]

Dear dollphin,

This isn't a forum for photographic lighting lessons. I suggest that if you are confused about something to simply refrain from posting about it and stick with posting about things you are more sure about.

But Lux stated that there is nothing wrong with the shadows in the picture because a fill flash would have been used.

No, that is not what I said. Those were two distinct thoughts and I would rather not take up any more space explaining to you further about this. Suffice it to say that a photographic subject can have any number of light sources each with its own shadow.

[MrSinclair]

I've just broken this thing wide open. Lance Armstrong IS Robbie Parker!!!
In Your Face DGB!!!

[anonjedi2]

There are some very interesting photos and video on this page that might be worth checking out. One in particular (6th one down) shows a "dead body" on a stretcher at night. Also note that there are absolutely ZERO ambulances/police cars/teachers/students/parents anywhere in the Sandy Hook parking lot (they're all down the street at the firehouse which for some reason has a Sandy Hook School sign in front of it).

I also found these photos interesting.

SAY CHEESE! (Also note the plastic cup in the woman's right hand. Refreshments are always provided for homeland security drill type events.


Anyone know who this person is?

[Sisterlover]

Besides the Xmas card shots, has anyone seen any photos of the Parker family (particularly 'husband and wife' pictures) that predate the 'shooting'? Not surprisingly, there are woefully few images of any of these actors that can be attributed to, say, two years prior to the 'event'. If anyone's found any, I'd love to see them. Funny, these actor/sims really don't have a web presence at all. Curious.

[Brutal Metal]

It's a similar problem with just about all the 911 vicsims and I'm sure searches for these Newtown people online from years ago won't be a cakewalk either like David Angell...

[lux]

The CNN talking heads strike back!

See Anderson Cooper wear his best concerned frown as Sandy Hook actors whine about all the mean conspiracy theorists accusing them of being actors:

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html? ... ssment.cnn