Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby edgewaters on Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:43 pm

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hoi.polloi wrote:Has the Internet not already been described as a massive psychological insight?

It doesn't have to mean anything at all. Throw in a few 11's here and there and you have the basis for people noticing them, which creates a pattern in the mind. It's stage magic.

Also, please explain the link. Is this citation of something?


It's a link to a story and video about the game winning shot. So do you think the point of using the same numbers and creating these patterns is just for show? Why does it matter if the masses, who never seem to notice or question these numerical patterns, are imprinted with these numbers and patterns? In other words, why is it important to imprint these patterns? They could make just as interesting a story if his mother died when he was 12 and his jersey was number 17 etc. What is the significance of using these repetitive numbers? I just don't see why, if it doesn't mean anything, they would bother to always do it.


To me its a redundancy. It doesn't need to affect the masses, because they're already covered. It's a fallback designed to affect those who might not be otherwise affected. There are going to be a certain number of individuals who are going to dissent against your fabricated story. To manage them, you throw in this stuff. There was a saying when I went to college, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit" (excuse the language but that is how the saying goes) and I think that's the operating principle here.

It seems to neutralize opposition in three main ways.

- As a red herring. The majority of the energy of inquiry is diverted into meaningless nonsense and speculation which can never produce results.

- As a false display of power and competence. It tends to lead people to attribute supernatural powers beyond comprehension to the perpetrators. There is no point in resisting these people in any tangible or earthly way, not with their cosmic superpowers. That is an intended perception meant to neutralize the opposition from any practical resistance.

- To discredit. Finally, it prevents the spread of opposition, by ensuring the body of the opposition attracts and adopts absurd characters and viewpoints, ensuring it remains contained and takes its place as a fringe element, with zero chance of becoming mainstream or populist resistance.

Given that we can actually see all these effects actually are taking place, and given that we can see how this can be achieved through the use of these techniques, there is no need to invent any more fantastical motivations or purposes here. Occam's razor neatly slices all that out. What we're left with is rather more mundane and less impressive than we would be led to believe, but what else can be expected from seeing through these techniques? There is a sense of disappointment here, akin to Dorothy discovering the little old man operating the illusion of the god-king of Oz. But that disappointment should be expected, in searching for the truth.
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby simonshack on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:17 am

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Superbly put, Edgewaters... Thanks ! :)
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby hoi.polloi on Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:09 am

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit"


Yes.

Oz the Great and Powerful.
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby Gracist on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:48 am

hoi.polloi wrote:
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit"


Yes.

Oz the Great and Powerful.


What appropriate timing.
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby hoi.polloi on Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:47 pm

Appropriate timing? Do you mind elaborating?
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby Gracist on Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:39 pm

hoi.polloi wrote:Appropriate timing? Do you mind elaborating?


Oh I just meant that the movie is coming out soon and we were all talking about the people behind the curtain controlling perceptions of all these fake events. I know there are always fake events and etc so anytime would be fitting for such a movie to come out but it just really struck me when you made that comment during this discussion.
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby edgewaters on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:38 pm

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hoi.polloi wrote:Appropriate timing? Do you mind elaborating?


Oh I just meant that the movie is coming out soon and we were all talking about the people behind the curtain controlling perceptions of all these fake events. I know there are always fake events and etc so anytime would be fitting for such a movie to come out but it just really struck me when you made that comment during this discussion.


Is it really?

Very interesting that they choose now to do a remake.
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby Gracist on Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:35 am

edgewaters wrote:
Gracist wrote:
hoi.polloi wrote:Appropriate timing? Do you mind elaborating?


Oh I just meant that the movie is coming out soon and we were all talking about the people behind the curtain controlling perceptions of all these fake events. I know there are always fake events and etc so anytime would be fitting for such a movie to come out but it just really struck me when you made that comment during this discussion.


Is it really?

Very interesting that they choose now to do a remake.


I guess it opened today.

Here's a review: http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -74716077/
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby edgewaters on Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:44 am

Pffff .... well isn't that predictable .... they're trying to redeem the man behind the curtain
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby hoi.polloi on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:51 am

Walt Disney - how appropriate indeed. Speaking of O words. Oz books are filled with interesting mysticism and moral attitudes, and his writings have become intimately intertwined with American culture. Baum was no infinitely kind soul, either. He apparently called for the merciless extinction of the native population of the United States, believing white man superior. This wasn't made clear in the books, which more often called for understanding between very different, strange peoples that populated Oz, but in other published writings.

I guess it's like a lot of our culture, actually. A real mixed bag. And opportunists usually screwing over the other folk.
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby Gracist on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:21 pm

Aliester Crowley wrote something called Liber Oz and his illustration of something he "channeled" looks eerily like the wizard of Oz in the original movie.

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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby Dcopymope on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:53 pm

Gracist wrote:Aliester Crowley wrote something called Liber Oz and his illustration of something he "channeled" looks eerily like the wizard of Oz in the original movie.

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Aliester Crowley's 'Aiwass' (also called 'the Lam'):

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Oz:

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The grey "alien":

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Megamind:

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All variations of the exact same thing. There is nothing new under the sun.

Aleister Crowley's Lam & the Little Grey Men
A Striking Resemblance
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby Gracist on Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:44 am

Yes these images and also this:

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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby hoi.polloi on Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:32 am

Citation! Context!

Or you made it up yourself! :lol:
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Re: Skirting around the "O" word, to figure out why...

Unread postby Gracist on Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:29 am

Gracist wrote:Yes these images and also this:

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This is Aliester Crowley's illustration for "Liber Oz" A.K.A. "Book 77."
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