El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby agraposo on Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:19 pm

anonjedi2 wrote:
agraposo wrote:Up to now I don't see any sign of fakery in the photos / video I posted, did you see this material?


Did you completely ignore my post? I posted one example of obvious photo fakery.

Did you see the last video I posted? The police man is pushing the train driver with his right arm.

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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby agraposo on Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:50 pm

anonjedi2 wrote:So, we have 80 dead and yet somehow the man in the front of the train is able to walk away from the wreckage on his own?

Why not? Drivers survive car accidents.

anonjedi2 wrote:Can you not recognize fake Hollywood blood when you see it?

This is fake blood, and an impossible wound.

viewtopic.php?p=2382916#p2382916
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You did a great job in the Boston thread. Why to be so lazy in this one?
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby anonjedi2 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:07 pm

I'm not being lazy, you are. Are you honestly telling me that you can't see the glaring difference between the photo I posted and your still shot above? :rolleyes:
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby agraposo on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:48 pm

anonjedi2 wrote:I'm not being lazy, you are. Are you honestly telling me that you can't see the glaring difference between the photo I posted and your still shot above? :rolleyes:

I'm still a novice in photo analysis. But I see that the height of the two people is consistent in both images and that the police arm is not seen in one of the photos because is behind the other man.
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby icarusinbound on Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:16 pm

agraposo wrote:
anonjedi2 wrote:I'm not being lazy, you are. Are you honestly telling me that you can't see the glaring difference between the photo I posted and your still shot above? :rolleyes:

I'm still a novice in photo analysis. But I see that the height of the two people is consistent in both images and that the police arm is not seen in one of the photos because is behind the other man.

Luminance halo/ aura around the figures.
The excessively Roman nose of the policeman.
Face of 'victim' in profile appears implausibly cut-in.
Unconvincing motion blur tracking 'still'
Size of gloved hands of the policeman (mitts? what?)
The height differences between players, and pictures (as mentioned)
The talcum-powdered (?) hair
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby simonshack on Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:14 pm

anonjedi2 wrote:Blue and White checkered shirt. :P

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/ ... 34x386.jpg


MY REVIEW OF THE EL-FERROL MOVIE


Well, in that video that Agraposo posted, the blue & white stripes meme seems to have had a massive field day! :P
With a grand total of about 40 people seen in that video, that's a good 25% of them wearing blue-white-striped shirts!
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Here's that video again - (I will need Agraposo's help with a few things here, por favor!):

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edY6fHtvlAk

Agraposo, I would appreciate if you could translate some lines of that supposed amateur videographer (I'll just call him Carlos, in 'honor' of our old friend Arredondo) walking around the 'accident scene', apparently doing nothing but filming (in atrocious fashion) and cursing his heart out over the tragedy in melodramatic manner. Now, my Spanish isn't good enough to make out all of his words. At one stage (3minutes into the video) I hear him say something like "esta è una puta mierda de tren, joder!" (this is a shitty bitch of a train, fuck!) - but what words does he cry out just before that? Could you also fill me in with what he says at 5:05: "Que horror!(...??...) atentado".

"Atentado?" Is Carlos hypothesizing that this train drama might have been a terror attack? If so, what makes him believe such a thing? Any further translations of Carlos' theatrical laments will be much appreciated, Agraposo!

Now, I admit I'm no expert in Spanish trains, yet I would expect that all Spanish train carriages (as in the rest of the world) to be identical in length / shape/ design ? So why would the Detached Coach (which Carlos walks around - filming and cursing his ass off) be any different from her sister-coaches?
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Also, have Spanish train designers found a way to do away with the wheels / wheel-assemblies of their railcars? Or are they so small as to be practically invisible? Perhaps you can help us clear up this technicality, Agraposo? In any case, the supposed dynamics of this train crash are, physically speaking, pretty much absurd. Here's the Detached Coach - at upper right:

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And here's a close-up of the Detached Coach (no wheels???):
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Well, wheels or not - we are actually asked to believe that this Detached Coach ended up on that hill in this manner:

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Here we see rescuers (what seem to be only civilians - where are the medics / firefighters?) purportedly picking out the poor people inside the Detached Coach up on the hill. At about 3:22 into Carlos' video, we see one person lying on the ground:
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We also see a funnily-built guy with his underpants exposed, which is no big deal - its fashionable nowadays you know... However, right as this guy appears in the video (at 2:57) we can hear a female chuckle/laughter. A purely coincidental occurence? Anyhow... WHO would be chuckling/laughing in such a dramatic situation?
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About 6min later, the good civilians seem to have extracted out of the coach another two/three 'victims' or so. We still cannot see many professional rescue teams around the scene. Where the heck are they??? The ambulances and fire engines have ALL arrived - yet virtually NO pros are seen around the Detached Coach? Is this a drill - or is it a totally fake video? You decide.
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Oh well, here is ONE professional rescuer (at far left) - kneeling down by a supposed victim.
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And here's a 'blood-stained' (?) victim sitting on the grass - with a blue & white-striped man opening a water bottle:
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All in all, I have to say that this video exhibits the full range of tell-tale / trademark-features of psyoppyish 'amateur footage'. The constantly shaky, 'wobbly' and 'pastel-colored' imagery, the excruciatingly silly soundtrack (for maximum 'emotional effect') dominated by an 'inconsolable' sobbing man + constantly whining sirens, as well as the usual dose of oddities and aberrations. The part where Carlos adresses a motionless (ketchup-faced and barefooted) woman lying on the ground is priceless (6:30 into the video). He tells her to "stay calm" - then calls for assistance at the top of his lungs and shouts at her when she turns on her side - all this as he (supposedly) keeps filming with his stupid camera! And you've gotta love the wondrous physics involved with that Detached Coach ending up on that hill - upright and mostly intact - yet with all its wheel assemblies stripped off !
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby agraposo on Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:04 am

This is the transcript of the video:

He begins saying "¡Qué horror!" and keeps repeating it "¡Qué horror, dios mío!" "¿Qué ha hecho este hombre?" "¡Que quiten esos coches!" "¡Dios mío, el día de Santiago!"

Translation: Horrors, my god! What has done this man? (probably referring to the train driver)
Move those cars away! In Santiago's day! (July 25th, the saint's day, patron saint of Spain)

At 1:16 we see the local police calling for "Bomberos, ambulancia" (Fire brigade, ambulance)

At 2:03 "¡Por favor, puto AVE de los cojones! ¡Esto es un AVE, esto es una puta mierda! ¡Pepiño Blanco de los cojones!"

Translation: Please, damn fucking AVE! This is an AVE, this is fucking shit! Damn Pepiño Blanco! (Pepiño Blanco was the minister in charge of the train construction) (AVE is Alta Velocidad Española, Spanish High Velocity)

At 3:06 somebody tells him: "No saques fotos, hombre" and he answers: "¿Cómo que no lo saque? ¡Esto que lo vea todo dios! ¡Ha sido es una puta mierda de tren, joder!"

Translation: Somebody: Don't take pictures, man. Videographer: Why I can't take pictures? This is for everybody to see! This is a fucking shit train, fuck!

And they tell him again: "No saques esto"

Translation: Don't take pictures.

At 5:06 he says: "¡Qué horror! ¿Pero ha sido un accidente o un atentado?"

Translation: Horrors! But has it been an accident or a terror attack?

At 9:50 a police tells him to get out of the scene: "¡Fuera de aquí!"

Translation: Out of here!

Regarding the train, it is an Alvia 730 series, similar to Alvia 130, as you can see here there are only one pair of wheels for each coach, close to the entrance door.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ppcharly/6 ... /lightbox/

This is a picture of the broken coaches and their wheels.

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http://www.elconfidencial.com/sociedad/ ... ino_13412/

Here you can see one of the coaches hanging.

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http://www.lavozlibre.com/noticias/ampl ... catastrofe

And this is a video of the lifting of the coaches.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aerah1wurZA

Regarding the detached coach, it is different because the last part is folded, as can be seen in several pictures in this gallery:

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Photo gallery: http://www.abc.es/fotos-galicia/2013072 ... 94794.html

Still extracted from the amateur video:

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Here you can see the curve, and how the coach could reach that position.

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full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRNUtvetEg
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby agraposo on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:53 pm

agraposo wrote:And this is a video of the lifting of the coaches.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aerah1wurZA


That video is now gone, I add another one (but it has some bluish tone)


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPbmDpeNu6c

Maybe this is also worth to see, as it allows to see details of the coaches.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjPKZU1Mdr0

Admins: why I can't edit my posts? I only see the "Quote" button.
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby simonshack on Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:15 pm

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"Roberto Fariza" - alleged survivor of train crash with wife in critical condition. Would you buy a used car from this chap?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuXz03MjEwQ
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby agraposo on Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:08 pm

simonshack wrote:*

"Roberto Fariza" - alleged survivor of train crash with wife in critical condition. Would you buy a used car from this chap?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuXz03MjEwQ

There is no Hope for Myrta, as she passed away.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380639/Houston-woman-dies-bringing-Spanish-train-crash-death-toll-79-driver-knew-going-fast-charged-multiple-counts-negligent-homicide.html

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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby simonshack on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:09 pm

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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby Viterbi on Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:28 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L8UfHoutF0

0:45

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This guy was allegedly the ticket collector of the train.
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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby lux on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:23 am

Many little goofs in this photo -- obviously a composite. All the "people" were added. So was the vertical train car and the vertical lattice support was laid in on top. The only things that look real are the white car and the tracks, ground and back walls.

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Re: El Ferrol Train Derailment (July 25, 2013)

Unread postby I, Gestalta on Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:41 pm

Not a single one of the objects in the above image illustrates that it has any real-world weight. Toys.

I believe, on Hollywood film sets, they refer to these objects as "miniatures".


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bio7YJU_3r4
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