Cluesforum—Exposing Mass Deception

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Dear Ataraxia,

One really must wonder HOW that burned car in the middle of the image got burned / damaged in the first place !
It doesn't seem to be anywhere near the 'impact zone' - yet it caught fire and lost both its front and rear windows?
AND its number plate too ?



I always wonder - whenever such phony "news items" pop up - how to best point out their absurd and blatant fakeness. Alas, not everyone has an eye for / or will be convinced by - for instance - the obvious smudginess and digitally-crafted nature of the proposed imagery (in this case, the 'burned cars at impact point'). Or the ridiculous scarcity of plane debris - however small that private jet was supposed to be. So how about focusing on this(or these) ghostly fire hose(s) ?





(You are free to believe that what we see here is just that one, single fire hose - just folded back and forth several times...)

So where - pray tell - was that (or those) fire hose(s) attached - i.e. where did they get their water/ or foam from? Aha - here's where !


Am I saying that NOTHING happened there? That our member Euphoria is lying - about hearing a boom (or several booms) and seeing a smoke column rising from that remote area? No, I'm not. My best guess? How about that area being simply secured / ringed off from public view - and some explosives setting fire to a big pile of old car tires - in the middle of that car park owned by a pretty suspicious fellow?

simonshack wrote:
Does this scenery remotely resemble the one above?

http://plednews.com/2015/08/01/on-the-i ... bin-laden/

That picture was from a (faked?) crash in Indonesia.
http://mashable.com/2015/06/30/indonesia-plane-crash/

Seneca wrote: That picture was from a (faked?) crash in Indonesia.
http://mashable.com/2015/06/30/indonesia-plane-crash/

Oh, well - my bad I guess... I shouldn't have posted that image I found on that "PLEDNEWS" website, but as you can see it certainly refers to the "Blackbushe Binladen planecrash": http://plednews.com/2015/08/01/on-the-i ... bin-laden/

Duh - seems you can't even trust internet "NEWS sites" nowadays...

In case anyone thought I was kidding...The Wonga Coup. Wonga: British Slang for Money

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Equa ... at_attempt

There was another airplane crash in England a few days ago, this time at an air show in a town called Shoreham on the southern coast of England.

I've been trying to compare the smoke from various videos to see if they realistically match up. For instance, in these stills, the crash occurs at :00, and 20 seconds later there is a clear double plume of smoke:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOZK-qO95UA

Yet in this next video, the smoke here seems to rise only in a single plume and 20 seconds later there is still only one distinct cloud of smoke. I know this video is filmed from the opposite side as the one above, but I still cannot see any sign of a second smoke plume, even though this video is the clearest of all of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxHffS5l2Nc

Another example image from the same sequence shows how quickly the smoke blows away, but I still cannot make out a second cloud at all during the entire time. Maybe the angle perfectly conceals it, but you think at some point you might be able to see the second cloud if it was there.



Since as another example, here's a photo taken from a different angle which also clearly shows two smoke clouds:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9mj0fCFRWk

And here's a fourth angle, from 20 seconds after the crash, showing two smoke clouds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxHffS5l2Nc&t=2m10s

This is the oddest one of all, because a few seconds after impact there is grey smoke already forming in a horizontal pattern above the plume(s), unseen in the other videos (sadly, I can't find again a version of this video which shows the impact itself, as the Telegraph seemingly removed it from their site). As a comparison, this is taken from the same rough angle as the first set of images.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPB0ei2Vfc4

Also, here's one for the blue and white stripes thread. Two of the victims were football players:


Can you believe they'd even use pictures of this quality to identify the vicsims:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... ictim.html

It's also truly incredible the number of photos from people who were able to perfectly capture the plane in the final seconds before the crash (so that you can even see the pilot in this first one):

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sh ... nt-6302732


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... ictim.html

This guy captures the plane trying to pull up in the seconds before it hits:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rshow.html

Or even this person who's taking photos as the plane hurtles towards him in a giant fireball:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rshow.html



Notice too that all the construction cones and light posts on the ground in those two photos don't match up at all to this one. What are the chances that the cars were all already forced to stop in preparation for the hoax, ala the Boston Bombing marathon detour?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rshow.html

Then of course the same stupid numbers associated with the crash too. The plane crashed on the A27. There are currently 11 dead, and here's the number from one of the victim's football jersey:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... ictim.html

One thing from all of the Blackbushe pictures that is bothering me...with all of those chain reaction rear-end collisions, how come very few airbag deployments?
And not one (that I can see) from a passenger side. Lame. Some airbags will go off even with tremendous thunder. This should qualify.

And regarding the airshow...look at the red car. Lady is talking on her cell phone. In the next photo, she is no where to be found.

Also, here's one for the blue and white stripes thread. Two of the victims were football players:

Can you believe they'd even use pictures of this quality to identify the vicsims:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... -victim.ht

Interestingly the guy on the right, Jacob Schilt played in some of the annual soccer matches,for the Memorial Fund of 9/11 victim Robert Eaton (REMF).http://www.remf.org.uk/about-remf/4562414626

The soccer forum Jacob Schilt ( & Robert Eaton allegedly) was posting on has used their connections with the REMF, to raise money for a similar memorial to Jacob Schilt.

http://www.northstandchat.com/showthrea ... cob-Schilt

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This latest METROJET 'planecrash' in the Sinai desert is as bogus as they come.

The official story summarized here: http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-sinai-pl ... be-2163833

I used to think that Shanksville was the most hilarious 'crash site' ever - but THIS ONE made me laugh significantly louder :

"The bombed-out-of-the sky Pancake Crash" : (yes, it is a suspected bombing - according to UK prime minister Cameron)


Believe it or not - but this is meant to be a photograph snapped at the same location as above :


The obligatory "shoe shot"...


So sad - those people are probably sniffing in horror at the bad taste of whoever put up this 'remembrance vigil' - inflatable toy plane and all...



This time they went heavily for the "male-psyop-consumer" target. Here are 17 Russian vicsim-babes of the alleged "FLIGHT 321" planecrash - picked straight out of some modeling agency portfolio it seems...




source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntbC1qaDIYc

That's right: all the above girls (or about 8% of the total reported death-toll) are supposed victims of the SINAI planecrash.

Watch / think - and make your own mind up about these available images of this latest "planecrash" in the SINAI desert.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dUSYowgYTI



TWO frames from a REUTERS video:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghsLV7W2XOU



Source of above two images: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... dates.html

On 26th October 2015 this crash apparently happened [I've underlined a few words that caught my eye]:

The US pilot who died when his jet crashed in a field has been called a "hero" by the farmer who owns the land, after he avoided hitting him and his son.
Maj Taj Sareen was killed when his jet came down at Temple farm in Redmere, Cambridgeshire, last week.
Peter Sizer said he was working in his shed with his son when the pilot crashed, just missing the building.
He phoned the emergency services when he heard the explosion.
"I heard a bang and saw this fireball, it was a huge shock. It was only 200m from our shed.
"I would say that he is a hero. He saved our lives by swerving around the shed to miss us. It makes us both feel lucky to be alive.
"The impact was so big that we only found a hole in the ground and just wreckage, the plane was buried into the soil, there was no fire," Mr Sizer said.
The farmer said that the doors were completely blown off his shed by the explosion.
"If he landed the other side, the shockwaves alone would probably have killed us," he added.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-camb ... e-34639450

It seems they are priming us to accept this is what happens to airplanes when they crash and that 'odd looking' photos/images are to be expected or else are the 'norm' and shouldn't be questioned.
Note that this crash doesn't have images yet of the crash site that I've seen but the narrative from the 'witness(es)' would imply an image not dissimilar to Flight 93 and/or the Russian/Sinai crash.

simonshack wrote:This time they went heavily for the "male-psyop-consumer" target. Here are 17 Russian vicsim-babes of the alleged "FLIGHT 321" planecrash - picked straight out of some modeling agency portfolio it seems

There's certainly a lot to be suspicious of with this story.

We have a last painting of the plane by some random Brit.



(It should be noted that this 'photo' by a 'Ryan Galbraith' only appears in the Sun.)

The plane passengers were allegedly mostly female (138-140 adult women).

Out of the total 217 passegers, 138 were women, 62 men and 17 were children.

Twenty-five children were believed to have been on board, along with 192 adults - nearly 140 of who were women.

Some of the explanations for why there were so many women are odd to say the least...

"My wife [was on board]. The kids returned earlier, they traveled [to Egypt] together, but the children came home earlier, and she [was supposed] to return today. I had a dream tonight, like I was washing her, and she had no leg," one man at the airport told RT's Ruptly news agency.

"She sent me a text message around six o'clock in the morning, it said 'I'm boarding now, Godspeed.' That's all," the sobbing man added.

We have bikini shots of victims tastelessly published on the morning after the crash...



We also have a few photo oddities that I would certainly like explained...

Am I alone in having a problem with Anastasia Bogdanova's jawline...



... & hand?



Has anyone ever taken a real photo & seen an outline like this around their clothes?



Oh & let's not forget that 'ISIS' have taken responsibility for, & footage of, this disaster...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ae-2KoMpds

... and 'ISIS' never claim an act they did not commit

However, terrorism experts said Isil had never claimed an attack it did not carry out.

Critical Mass wrote:Am I alone in having a problem with Anastasia Bogdanova's jawline...

Well CM, now that you mention it she does seem a bit pasty!

Isis apparently used a soda can bomb to bring down the russian Metrojet plane.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/isi ... d=35278278




Paris 13/11/ 2015 victims covered in gold

So I was reading through this locked Topic http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... 5&start=30, and I got curious about this "lawyer" by the name of William O. ANGELley that Brianv discovered.

He's obviously a 9/11 player having supposedly dealt with "victim compensation" money. It's no surprise to find him connected with an event in this Topic, considering that he has been touted (by all MSM) as an Aviation litigator of some kind.

In any event, I thought it would be interesting to take at least a peek at what the ANGELley (Angel Lie) has been purportedly involved in over the years. His (assuming he's "real") law firm's website is found at http://www.bvatriallaw.com/william-angelley/ , and it doesn't disappoint.

Just take an overview of the "tragedies" that he has participated in as an expert in aviation litigation.
Now I haven't looked closely at all the following events, but I'll paste them here nonetheless.
[Note: his bio promptly points out his 1,100 hours of flight experience ]


Asiana Airlines Flight 214 in San Francisco, California
American Connection Flight 5966 crash near Kirksville, Missouri
Alaska Airlines Flight 261 crash near Anacapa Island, California
Swissair Flight 111 crash near Halifax, Nova Scotia
Raytheon Patriot Missile shoot down of a U.S. Navy F/A-18 aircraft in Iraq
The crash of a Lear 35 aircraft near Mina, South Dakota, which killed professional golfer Payne Stewart
The crash of an Army UH-60 helicopter near Fort Hood, Texas
The crash of a Florida National Guard C-23B transport plane near Unadilla, Georgia

I did look briefly into Swissair Flight 111, and damn it looks made up. It was on 9-2 (or II)-98. All 229perished in the crash.

Have a look at the story here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111) and your head might explode from all the 11s.

Here are a few excerpts from the Wickedpedia "source" I linked above:

"The pilot-in-command was 49-year-old Urs Zimmerman [Your Sim-or-Man/ Your Simmer Man] . At the time of the accident, he had approximately 10,800 hours [or, nearly 11,000] of total flying time, of which 900 hours were in an MD-11. He was also an instructor pilot for the MD-11. Before his career with Swissair, he was a fighter pilot in the Swiss Air Force [shocker]."

"The flight took off from New York's John F. Kennedy Airport at 20:18 Eastern Daylight Time (00:18 UTC). From 20:33 EDT (00:33 UTC) until 20:47 EDT (00:47 UTC), the aircraft experienced an unexplained thirteen-minute radio blackout, of which cause was determined to be communication radios tuning errors.[5]"

"At 22:19 AT (01:19 UTC), the crew requested more distance for the aircraft to descend from 21,000 feet (6,400 m) when they were advised the aircraft was 30 nautical miles (56 km) away from Halifax International Airport."

"Eventually, 147 [1(4+7)/ so 111 or 1-11] were identified by fingerprint, dental records, and X-ray comparisons. The remaining 81 [8+1] were identified through DNA tests." (1-11-9)


Okay, so that's me just having a little fun with one of their stories. But in all seriousness, what is up with this "lawyer"? I wonder what would happen if I tried to refer a case to "him". After posting on this forum I'll have to be extra careful, assuming I could even reach anyone at the supposed firm.

Just take a look at their "Giving Back" link (http://www.bvalaw.com/giving-back/). Yeah right! Unless of course they are subtly referring to a specially "legalized" money laundering operation done under the guise of "Giving Back".

Note to Mods:

Perhaps we need a new "topic" that carries forth the now locked one that I linked at the top? (Sort of like how the Vicsims Memorial topic has been done).

We could call it "Following Up On the 9/11 Players", or something like that? I certainly don't want to derail This Topic, but I think him and a whole host of other characters are probably worth following up on. I'm curious to see what reaction I get (if any) to this.