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Postby TheWalruss on Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:07 pm

[Admin Notice by SCS on December 7, 2018: After some careful thought and deliberation, I have decided to create this topic. I think our members should have an opportunity to see that we give potential members a fair opportunity to demonstrate good faith and some basic familiarity with the existing research before simply being allowed onto the forum.

It’s not fair to leave the vetting to members who don’t have time for the distraction of it. And it’s also not fair to new members (who do make it) to be subjected to immediate further vetting once being allowed on by an Admin. This will remain locked, but feedback about the process is welcome in the CHATBOX.

Special thanks to Smokeythebarrister for his wise advice in the vetting process, and in helping me to make this particular decision.]

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I was led here by a [CF Member] on reddit, who insists that rocket propulsion is impossible in a vacuum. Arguments on reddit are rarely effective, and given the 50+ pages on the topic, I felt I could more effectively correct misunderstandings regarding rocket science right in the forum. I'm planning to construct a step-by-step illustrated lesson on the subject and post it in the relevant thread.

I'm not interested in theories around the events of 9/11 itself. Rather, the involvement of the Saudis, Bush Jr.'s reluctance to pursue them politically, the CIA's incompetence, etc., are highly relevant to regional and global politics today.

I'm a systems engineer with a background in machine vision and AI, 35 years old, working as a consultant in a self-owned company, and have been involved with science outreach and education since university, both online and IRL.
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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby TheWalruss on Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:11 pm

I guess I'll complement my comment by saying I'm Swedish, and generally skeptical of all things. I use my training and skills as scientist and engineer to "ground truth" as much as possible myself, but also have friends across the globe who are scientists and engineers with different fields of expertise.
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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:05 pm

TheWalruss » November 30th, 2018, 7:07 am wrote:. . .

I'm not interested in theories around the events of 9/11 itself.

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I want to make sure I understand you here. It’s not that you need to be “interested” in the 9/11 research. We would however like to know whether (and to what extent) you are familiar with the concepts and the analytical processes in which we review the evidence presented to us.

The technology, concepts, and tactics used in the 9/11 media event were (and continue to be) used through the very same outlets used to TELL us about practically all things (outer) space related. So it is a relevant point of inquiry.

I'm a systems engineer with a background in machine vision and AI, 35 years old, working as a consultant in a self-owned company, and have been involved with science outreach and education since university, both online and IRL.


Given your stated background regarding “machine vision and AI,” I am most definitely curious about your feedback with respect to some basic imagery analysis concerning 9/11.

Note, I have written extensively in opposition to some CF members who have persisted in what I would call a “litmus test” concerning new members. My position on that hasn’t changed.

That said, we do require intellectual honesty and good faith as we moderate this forum. And I don’t want to pretend that we can sort of skip the whole issue of imagery, and go straight in to more theoretical explanations of “how rocketry in the vacuum” supposedly works.

So, if you don’t mind providing some feedback (it need not be extensive) about the following images, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Image

Image

Image

Your apparent disinterest in 9/11 notwithstanding, do you consider the imagery presented to us (which purports to depict reality) concerning a given issue (whatever it may be) to be an important part of the overall analysis? In particular, does it factor into the credibility of the underlying claim being made?

There aren’t any “right answers” to this stuff. So speak freely.

. . .

Simon and/or another Admin may have additional questions as well. Thank you for your patience here as we do our best to try and maintain a healthy virtual “ecosystem” here at Cluesforum. :)

Don’t forget to let us know why you chose the username “TheWalruss.”

I look forward to your reply here. . . at your convenience of course.

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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby TheWalruss on Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:23 am

I'll start with the easy question: I've used "TheWalruss" as my online handle since 1998, chosen on a whim as I was listening to some Beatles and I made a typo on the double-s.

Image analysis is of course an important part of any critical dialectic that includes visual media. That said, I don't claim any real training or experience in image forensics despite my expertise in image processing, machine vision, and AI.

Just like there is no difference in the sound produced by a hi-fi system playing a recording of a piano, and an actual piano (the physical pressure waves of sound are literally indistinguishable), ultimately an image contains a pixel array and there's no reliable way to determine the exact process that led to a particular pixel value - straight from an image sensor chip is rarely the case, even .RAW or .DNG or other "raw" formats are produced after image rectification and some other processes. Then there's photoshop, of course.

As to the images, I see nothing wrong with the video clips. The Voices memorial clearly posted the wrong picture and there is some confusion about his middle initial - perhaps he has multiple middle names.

What I find interesting is tracing the origin of an image (or other data) to determine the source, and seeing if the data is manipulated somewhere along the chain. That often says more about its contents and meaning than data forensics.
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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:34 pm

TheWalruss » December 1st, 2018, 1:23 am wrote:. . .

Image analysis is of course an important part of any critical dialectic that includes visual media. That said, I don't claim any real training or experience in image forensics despite my expertise in image processing, machine vision, and AI.


If you don’t mind saying, what kind (at least generally) of imagery are you referring to here (in bold above)?

[1.] As to the images, I see nothing wrong with the video clips. [2.] The Voices memorial clearly posted the wrong picture and there is some confusion about his middle initial - perhaps he has multiple middle names.


1. I want to make sure I understand what you are saying here. You “see nothing wrong with the video clips” right?

Are you saying that you perceive them as both having had captured actual events, and are thus depicted as such?

Or, is it something like, “yeah, these are digital images, but only in the strictest sense”? Basically, how I might respond to my son who shows me a “video clip” from Rocket League or some other video game.

2. Alright, so, please correct me if I’m wrong here. But, I take that to mean that you start this analysis with the premise that:

a. this “Richard (?) Allen” character is a real person;
b. there was “confusion” about the middle name such that he managed to become an erroneously duplicated victim;
c. the CNN Memorial also got “his” age wrong (31 and 30);
d. a bar code on the cheek isn’t worth noting; and
e. after the passing of more than 17 years, the CNN Memorial shows the following image (as of this moment, on December 1, 2018) and has still not been able to clear up these otherwise basic “facts.”

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Now mind you, the image above indicates that it was “updated” on August 23, 2004. You may want to contact somebody at CNN, or maybe the relative of this poor soul who has clearly been bar code stamped and forgotten.

I wonder why there hasn’t been a public outcry for all these poor victims that have ironically been replaced with “memorial candles.”

Thanks for your replies, and I’ll kindly allow Simon an opportunity to review your reply before we make a decision.

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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby TheWalruss on Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:20 pm

I've worked in: vision-guided robotics for manufacturing and process automation; automatic license plate recognition for toll roads, parking systems, and law enforcement; industrial 2d and 3d vision systems for industrial automation, logistics, and process automation; camera systems in warehouse automation; vision processing in automotive active safety and autonomous driving systems. Plus I'm a hobby astronomer with an image processing fetish, so there is that.

There's nothing in the clips that point to any kind of deception, except some doofus put some arrows in one of the clips pointing out something I can't figure out.

Are you sure it's not two separate individuals who died. NYFD is pretty big and Richard and Allen aren't exactly rare names. At my last workplace there was a guy called X with a twin called Y, whereas my name is Y and I have a twin called X. And I sat next to a guy, Z, with the same first name as my other brother, and the same last name as my wife's maiden name, and on the other side of me sat a girl with my last name, even though we are unrelated. Is that suspicious? No, this kind of coincidence is statistically necessary. While it is still *rare* and COULD indicate a bug or error in the coverup program, if I were to investigate a 9/11 conspiracy I would do a statistical analysis of names, dates, and everything else you can put in a database and do the exact same analysis voting-fraud investigations perform. Any deviation from a normal distribution is usually done to massage generated data to look more "natural" but in reality leaves statistical signatures that can be detected. Like for example a real normal distribution of random numbers will have more numbers starting with 1 in the most significant position, while human-generated "random" numbers don't.

I've looked at some random threads here in the forum and have to say the analysis done here tends to be very sloppy, but in a crude way you have amassed a *lot* of content that is at least thought-provoking. Taking the most promising bits and making a rigorous analysis backing a coherent narrative could be a way to make the conclusions more palatable to a mainstream audience. Does that sound interesting or useful to you guys?
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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby Dani on Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:54 pm

TheWalruss » December 1st, 2018, 1:23 am wrote:The Voices memorial clearly posted the wrong picture and there is some confusion about his middle initial - perhaps he has multiple middle names.


SCS replied with the following question:

2. Alright, so, please correct me if I’m wrong here. But, I take that to mean that you start this analysis with the premise that:

a. this “Richard (?) Allen” character is a real person;
b. there was “confusion” about the middle name such that he managed to become an erroneously duplicated victim;
c. the CNN Memorial also got “his” age wrong (31 and 30);
d. a bar code on the cheek isn’t worth noting; and
e. after the passing of more than 17 years, the CNN Memorial shows the following image (as of this moment, on December 1, 2018) and has still not been able to clear up these otherwise basic “facts.”


Then you proceeded to follow up with:

Are you sure it's not two separate individuals who died.[?]


It sounds like you are the one who isn’t sure. Nevertheless, you didn’t answer the direct questions posed by SCS, which were neatly laid out for you.

Now I will simply ask you whether you “see a problem” with the “video” images that SCS shared with the members of this forum back on July 2, 2017.

SacredCowSlayer » July 2nd, 2016, 7:50 pm wrote:Here is the laughable and oddly named Mercury blastoff that has been posted above. But I have to wonder, which one of the released "videos" is the real one? :rolleyes:

I count at least three different versions so far, all collected from a variety of NASA documentaries depicting this glorious moment in history.

Moreover, I'd like to add that the first living thing put in space by the U.S. was a chimp named Ham. You really can't spell sham without "ham.”:lol:

The following clip can be seen in the NASA documentary at https://youtu.be/v5ZFT7TpYqM at the 23:33 mark.
Image

And this one with the wooden shack (prop) flipping backwards (unlike the previous one above) can be seen here https://youtu.be/KkG1WMzoikY at roughly the 8:14 mark.
Image

Then of course there is this little bit of magic. Just one minor problem that should be readily observed. Yes, the entire scene is mirrored. :wacko:
Image


Do kindly let us know if it’s obvious to you which one of these NASA clips is the “real launch.”

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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby Dani on Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:23 pm

TheWalruss » December 1st, 2018, 1:20 pm wrote:I
Are you sure it's not two separate individuals who died. NYFD is pretty big and Richard and Allen aren't exactly rare names. At my last workplace there was a guy called X with a twin called Y, whereas my name is Y and I have a twin called X. And I sat next to a guy, Z, with the same first name as my other brother, and the same last name as my wife's maiden name, and on the other side of me sat a girl with my last name, even though we are unrelated. Is that suspicious? No, this kind of coincidence is statistically necessary. While it is still *rare* and COULD indicate a bug or error in the coverup program, if I were to investigate a 9/11 conspiracy I would do a statistical analysis of names, dates, and everything else you can put in a database and do the exact same analysis voting-fraud investigations perform. Any deviation from a normal distribution is usually done to massage generated data to look more "natural" but in reality leaves statistical signatures that can be detected. Like for example a real normal distribution of random numbers will have more numbers starting with 1 in the most significant position, while human-generated "random" numbers don't.


Also, if you were to end up in the “Registered Users” group, I would appreciate it if your paragraphs were three to five sentences long. For those of us who are not specialized in “AI” technology, it at least makes it easier on the eyes. Thank you in advance.
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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby simonshack on Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:00 am

TheWalruss wrote:There's nothing in the clips that point to any kind of deception, except some doofus put some arrows in one of the clips pointing out something I can't figure out.

Oh, I guess that's me (the "doofus"). How about you perhaps being a doofus, Walruss? If you can't figure out simple things like photo forgery / image processing (which you say is "your fetish"?), I'm afraid you may not be a very helpful contributor to this forum.

TheWalruss wrote:I've looked at some random threads here in the forum and have to say the analysis done here tends to be very sloppy, but in a crude way you have amassed a *lot* of content that is at least thought-provoking.


So you've looked at some "random threads" and have concluded that the analyses done here tend to be "very sloppy"? Pardon me, but it seems that the sloppiness here is your own attempt to register at this forum. Do you understand ANY of this forum's longstanding research topics? It doesn't sound like it.

TheWalruss wrote:I was led here by a /u/patrixxxx on reddit, who insists that rocket propulsion is impossible in a vacuum. Arguments on reddit are rarely effective, and given the 50+ pages on the topic, I felt I could more effectively correct misunderstandings regarding rocket science right in the forum. I'm planning to construct a step-by-step illustrated lesson on the subject and post it in the relevant thread.

Sorry, my dear fellow Swede - but I'm not interested in any lectures regarding "rocket science" from an arrogant 35-year-old prick who feels the need to state that "I have friends across the globe who are scientists and engineers with different fields of expertise" - as if this would mean anything as to the functionality of your own gray matter. Life is too short and this forum does not provide a platform to timewasters. Goodbye now.
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Re: Vetted Prospects Who Didn’t Make The Cut

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:14 pm

Please see my note at the top.

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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby futuresnorway on Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:19 pm

Hi

I'm a norwegian working for a large company in the dairy business. Engineer is my profession.

I came upon your website through the septemberclues movie on youtube. Just prior to the Paris "attacks".

My focus area:

9/11: Pretty much solved i think
22/7: The norwegian 9/11
Globe/space deception
The fake history
Fake but coded media
Energy system
Jet fuel hoax
All muslim "terror" event in western countries

I like to my own ground work!
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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:00 pm

futuresnorway » December 8th, 2018, 11:19 am wrote:Hi

I'm a norwegian working for a large company in the dairy business. Engineer is my profession.

I came upon your website through the septemberclues movie on youtube. Just prior to the Paris "attacks".

My focus area:

9/11: Pretty much solved i think
22/7: The norwegian 9/11
Globe/space deception
The fake history
Fake but coded media
Energy system
Jet fuel hoax
All muslim "terror" event in western countries

I like to my own ground work!


Thanks for that brief introduction. Just a couple of quick things here. . .

First, by “Globe/space deception,”-[Edit by SCS: Okay, Simon managed to cut to the chase about that in his post below. Good job my friend. :) ]

Lastly, if you are connected in any noteworthy manner to an alleged victim of a media event discussed on this forum, now is the time to let us know.

Otherwise, I think your username speaks for itself, and I can’t think of any further questions at the moment.

I’ll give Simon (and other Admins) the rest of the day to ask questions. Barring something unforeseen, I look forward to welcoming you onto the forum.

Edit to add: In case you are wondering- yes, I’m going to wait until you clear up that question (shared by me and Simon) before changing your group status.

Thanks for understanding.

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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby simonshack on Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:23 pm

Dear futuresnorway,

I only wish to ask you : what do you mean by "Globe/space deception". I hope you don't subscribe to the idea that the world is flat.

Thanks for clearing this up.

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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby Dani on Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:40 pm

Dear futuresnorway,

I have a couple of questions for you. First, please don’t tell me that your username should be read as “future-snore-way”. :P

But in all seriousness, what do you mean by “Fake but coded media”? Also, what are you referring to when you say “Jet fuel hoax”?

I look forward to your response along with an answer to the question submitted by SCS and Simon.
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Re: Introduce Yourself to the Administrators

Postby futuresnorway on Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:44 pm

Hi

I don't know any alleged victims: Not even at our 22/7. I do however find it hard to beleive they could have fake all the victims coming from small societies.

Globe/Space: Observations makes the offcial size of the globe impossible! I don't support any model!

Coded media: I do beleive the "system" is comunicating through media with many teqniques.

Jet fuel: They are claiming it's massive amount of jet A1 fuel in the wings and fuselage. You need to study an airplane close-up and watch the re-fooling act to understand.

Short and sweat answers!?

Futuresnorway is because i do a little S&P500 trading in the futurescontract market.

When served in the military as a paramedic, we used to trained mass casulties situations! When you have skilled crisis-actors is almost impossible to deside fake or real! I do try to look after clues when i see events!
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