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This ‘Dave Angell’ thing is spooky. Ozzy, realise that the apparent splitting of powerful forces is another potential tactic. It’s a crazy game, innit? If you’re right, so be it. It matters, but not regards information; either it checks out or it doesn’t. That’s where ‘shills’ have a difficult job; after the winning of hearts and minds.

Frankly, I wouldn’t call the dogs out on JR with what we have at the moment. I doubt a warrant would be issued for Humphry’s at this stage, either, however convinced I am that you’re right (about 50%, and I appreciate that your findings represent considerable effort and attention on your part). Based on what I’ve seen on Angell, the best conclusion for me is that the handle and character have been invented specifically for ‘9/11’, and the rest is smoke, mirrors and liars - that nobody known to a mother as Grub Street director Dave Angel has died or gone into hiding. But who plays him in video form, I couldn’t be sure.

DDuck, with respect, I’m left with the impression that you have insider knowledge about DA’s former existence. Fred’s suggested that you publish the dirt. You posted, wearily for ‘one more time’, I remember, like we’re just not getting it, why “its impossible for Angell to not be a real guy”

But the post puts forward a hypothetical argument, not a concrete reason why it is impossible (like ‘he’s in my kitchen as I write’). Whether or not Angell was ‘the commercial they needed that had cred’ is in question; you’re conclusion still seems based on private evidence. In secret, it’s less valuable than 9/11-style dodgy ‘photography’, changing appearances of the character, sim-looking wife, the NBC connection, the very name Angell, other bits and pieces and a wealth of circumstantial evidence, all of which place the name ‘Dave L Angell’ on the list of fakes with Gordy Aamoth and the Plogers.

Any chance of a sniff at that personal evidence?
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Simon I hope you will forgive one more little addition to the Angell debate; I have no intention of addressing whether someone behind the Angell name was killed or not - though you know my present stance that probably nobody was killed on 9/11, in particular nobody behind any of the vicsims.

My question relates to those around this scheme. How might have the "Angell" 9/11 Memorial Scam been achieved using the Frasier team?

First of all, they are rich and close. A bad mojo give-away.

If so, it would make Pierce the highest-paid TV second-banana ever. Kelsey Grammer, who stars in the title role, recently signed a two-year deal that pays him 1.6 million an episode -- the most ever shelled out to a TV performer.
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106004/news?year=2001


Exist Laughing by Tom Gliatto. Monica Rizzo and Alexis Chiu in Los Angeles
May 17, 2004

http://www.people.com/people/archive/ar ... 10,00.html

For the actors, the last days turned into a long, tearful goodbye, especially during rehearsals and the taping of the finale (which will include a quiet tribute to series co-creator David Angell, who died with wife Lynn on American Airlines Flight 11 on 9/11). The Frasier cast felt like family. "I got married at Kelsey's house," says Peri Gilpin, 42, who played Frasier's producer, Roz Doyle. "Jane was a bridesmaid, and I had my rehearsal dinner at her house. David, John and Jane sang at my wedding." Says Mahoney: "We're as close as you can get without coming from the same mother." But they all realized they needed to preserve the show's light tone. The crew helped, donning T-shirts with gold lettering that borrowed a line from the show's theme song: "Frasier has left the building."

And right after that he went to Hawaii. The cast treated the entire production team--some 400 people, including guests--to a five-day vacation. "I saw people in bathing suits I never expected to see," Gilpin says, laughing, "and I kind of hope I never see that again." On the final night everyone assembled on the beach for a luau. Because Mahoney was MIA, rehearsing a play in Chicago, "we got out a cell phone," says Hyde Pierce, "and left him a message. We screamed, 'Aloha!' "


In 2010, someone named 'perfectpawn' on imdb is remembering interesting info about the Frasier team's obsession with 9/11:

Frasier nearly made a reference to it...I do recall reading about some in-fighting on the set: David Hyde Pierce (aka Niles) wanted to mention 9/11 shorly after it happened, but Kelsey Grammer was against it.

I think, even beyond 9/11, Romano was against topical comments in "Raymond" because he wanted the show to have a "classic sitcom" feel. And it must've worked because the show fits right in with the TVLand schedule

I recall they reached a compromise by putting some picture or statue in Frasier's apartment, some NYC-related/911 memorial type of thing. Something minor to let you know that the characters were aware of the situation, even though it was never directly mentioned.

Sounds more like a signature that the entire show is "on board" for propaganda assignments. (Apparently, Frasier wasn't the only show that did this. Everybody Loves Raymond signified their 9/11 compliance using symbols like a magnet on a fridge. Becker (who you might remember is another Cheers connection with Ted Danson and whose scarf you might recognize as two draping towers on his chest by the end of the vid) made an outright tribute clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlsqByD99tM and in Friends some characters wore NYFD and NYPD shirts but this is all another discussion)

Earlier mentioned Ken Levine who posts a loving tribute to his pal Angell can apparently contact millionaire David Hyde Pierce for trivial questions to be answered on his blog. Impressive influence there.

Levine's blog pal "Len" (who has an identical blog scheme as Levine and hey - is that a little 9/11 on that man's shirt on the cell phone over his right shoulder?)
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is a writer living the bi-coastal experience in the two greatest cities of the country, Los Angeles and New York.
and posts a long personal rant about the terrible 3,000 dead in NYC. I wonder how many of Ken's friends in the entertainment "biz" have such stories? (What could have possibly compelled them to lie? They must have really seen an airplane because their stories are just so believable ... okay, just teasing ... hee hee! )

This is a larger scheme. D.Duck is right that there is something big going on. I am not sure what - and I don't think anyone died - but I think there is definitely some central pivot point around the NBC team and these people producing propaganda. There is some concept deeply embedded in these networks that we are failing to grasp.

Could it be that all actors and employees of the media giants are forced into signing something - when coming aboard any of the big 5 players - that forces them to consider saying good-bye to their millions of dollars should they ever stray off script?
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hoi.polloi 4 Sep 28 2010, 04:21 AM wrote: and in Friends some characters wore NYFD and NYPD shirts but this is all another discussion

About Friends... I suppose this weird video is well known...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p5i7lu2pGQ

... a canceled part of the show where Chandler and Monica are harassed by airport security because he jokes about "bombs" out loud...
I guess we are expected to strongly believe in coincidences, aren't we.

The video was supposed to be part of this episode

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0583476/

"The one where Rachel tells", originally shot just before 9/11.

There is at least another interesting coincidence in this episode, the drawing on the board in Joey's apartment: a little drawing of King Kong fighting planes while hanging from the Empire State building. Funny like that.
You can catch a glimpse of it in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBjncygzZVg

just stop at 0:16-17, and there it is. A cute joke right before 9/11.
Here it is again:

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In the following episode, also shot before 9/11, two doodles: first a seal (the animal), and then the "I <3 NY" sign. As in, the destiny of NY is sealed?
-- You can see all Friends doodles here: http://www.charmedscripts.tv/friends/magna_doodles.htm)

As to the tribute signs, in the episodes shot after 9/11 the apartment of Joey had a big striped flag in it.

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(allow me to notice that the stars are indeed visible from the Moon, according to Joey's doodle board. Hell, according to it, the Moon itself is visible from the Moon... I wonder what that means?)
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nonhocapito @ Sep 28 2010, 06:13 AM wrote: Hell, according to it, the Moon itself is visible from the Moon... I wonder what that means?)
Duh - that's an easy one, nonhocapito: It's just a US flag on planet Mars.
You really see sinister symbols everywhere, don't you? :lol:
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Who is behind THE ANGELL FOUNDATION ?

This picture is in fact to be found at the "ANGELL FOUNDATION"
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This is their address:

The Angell Foundation
10880 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite #920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

http://angellfoundation.org/contactus.php

The president of the ANGELL FOUNDATION is one "Perry Oretzky".
So I did a search for Perry, and found this at zoom info:



PERRY ORETZKY

Metivta
10880 Wilshire Blvd Ste 920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

We are a Los Angeles based adult, egalitarian,
non-denominational Jewish community founded
by Rabbi Jonathan Omer-Man twenty years ago.
Metivta is a unique place...

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Oretzky_ ... 00049.aspx

The Metivta website: http://metivta.org/Default.asp?page=6

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Strange. Wasn't David Angell's brother a Roman Catholic reverend?
"Kenneth Anthony Angell (born August 3, 1930) is an American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Anthony_Angell
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I have transferred the last Ozzy-Dduck dialogue to the contributors skype conference call/chatline where it belongs. You are both asked to continue your personal debates over there. Thanks.


I repeat: NO posts concerning this issue are allowed on this thread. I just transferred Ozzy's last post over to the skype chatline.
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simonshack @ Sep 28 2010, 09:31 AM wrote: *

Who is behind THE ANGELL FOUNDATION ?

This picture is in fact to be found at the "ANGELL FOUNDATION"
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This is their address:

The Angell Foundation
10880 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite #920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

http://angellfoundation.org/contactus.php

The president of the ANGELL FOUNDATION is one "Perry Oretzky".
So I did a search for Perry, and found this at zoom info:



PERRY ORETZKY

Metivta
10880 Wilshire Blvd Ste 920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

We are a Los Angeles based adult, egalitarian,
non-denominational Jewish community founded
by Rabbi Jonathan Omer-Man twenty years ago.
Metivta is a unique place...

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Oretzky_ ... 00049.aspx

The Metivta website: http://metivta.org/Default.asp?page=6

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Strange. Wasn't David Angell's brother a Roman Catholic reverend?
"Kenneth Anthony Angell (born August 3, 1930) is an American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Anthony_Angell
The first link I clicked on from that site reveals official 9/11 perp/shill propaganda:



"What I think you need to point out to your audience is that this new fashionable atheism was, in large measure, spurred by the events of 9/11. This was an event of such monumental horror, filth, and savagery, that it made many people feel?and somewhat understandably?that religion just isn’t worth the price. Even if we recognize that, for many, religion turns the switches between hope and despair, empowerment and defeatism, possibility and limitations?even still, religion’s excesses are too heavy a burden when weighed against its many gains. That’s what I think underlies this new secularist bent. And quite honestly, I’m not sure there’s anything you can say that will dissuade someone who feels this way.

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Coming back to your assigned task of “What is Islam,” and the distinction between “moderate” and “extreme,” I think you have to acknowledge the reason this question is being raised at all is because there have been many recent terrorist acts in the name of Islam. Your audience no doubt recognizes that most Muslims aren’t terrorists so there’s no need to belabor that point. But I think there is a lingering question in many people’s minds (including my own)as to why it is that after nine years, there hasn’t been a more energetic and widespread outcry against terrorism by the Muslim community? I know some brave souls have spoken out and they are to be commended for their courage and goodwill. But what’s needed is a mass Islamic movement that proclaims anyone who commits an act of terror in God’s name goes to hell as straight as an arrow. If there were a widespread condemnation of terrorist acts within the Islamic world, I’ve no doubt we’d see far less of it. And one can only wonder why such a display of Muslim outrage against terrorism hasn’t been forthcoming. That is a question for Muslims to answer.

As to why it is that specifically the Western revealed religions are targeted, I think this has to do with our climate of political correctness. It won’t do to point out that it is only Muslims who today advocate extreme violence against innocents in the name of their religion. People want to lump recent acts of terrorism with events like the Crusades, the Holy Wars, and the Inquisitions, that occurred centuries ago. It doesn’t wash. The fact is the majority of recent violent actions, committed in the name of a specific religion, are Islamic. That’s the way it is and that’s the reason you were asked to give this talk. You can emphasize that the majority of Muslims are wonderful people and you are not in any way impugning them or their religion by noting that terrorist acts in the world today are committed by Muslims."


more here: http://omer-man.net/2010/09/a-problem/
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Dear Godzilla,

Good to see you back. With my last post, all I did was to state a fact:

The ANGELL FOUNDATION and the METIVTA ORG share the same address and suite:

THE ANGELL FOUNDATION
10880 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite #920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

THE METIVTA ORG.
10880 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite #920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

A fact. Just for the record.
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simonshack @ Sep 28 2010, 01:34 PM wrote: Dear Godzilla,

Good to see you back. With my last post, all I did was to state a fact:

The ANGELL FOUNDATION and the METIVTA ORG have the same address:

10880 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite #920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

A fact. Just for the record.
Apologies for wandering there Simon. Thanks for pointing again to the important fact you have found about the addresses of both the Angell Foundation and Metivta Org being one and the same. Very interesting indeed.
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Hoi,

Would you call the METITVA ORG tomorrow and ask them what made them set up a DAVID ANGELL FOUNDATION - and what relationship they have with Angell?

Here's their phone number:
(310) 446-8700

THE METIVTA ORG (a.k.a. THE ANGELL FOUNDATION)
10880 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite #920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States


I did try myself to call the USA (with my unique "freephone") - but a digital voice told me "I wasn't allowed high-fare long distance calls".
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http://www.blogger.com/profile/17069284975895603650

Perry S Oretzky seems to be a Los Angeles accountant. He also runs a blog with Richard Siegel.
Hmmm. That name sounds familiar for some reason. I suppose there are more than one or two Rick Siegels, but still.

The guy who runs the Angell foundation is hanging out with Richard Siegel who is getting briefed by the former head of the Mossad on the nuclear threat from Iran. Kind of a small world, I guess. Go figure.



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TEBH Israel Trip: Surfaces and Interiors aroston Rabbi Geller Sander Nooshin & Yar Meshkaty Richard Siegel Susan Grandma Phyllis Veronica Abney Philip Cain Sue Brucker Carol Hyman


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hoi.polloi @ Sep 29 2010, 04:27 AM wrote: Yes. This picture looks pretty phony. Where did it come from? What perp site is claiming this is a real photograph?
The ANGELL FOUNDATION a.k.a the METIVTA ORG

(please see my posts above)
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simonshack @ Sep 28 2010, 05:31 PM wrote: *




Who is behind THE ANGELL FOUNDATION ?

This picture is in fact to be found at the "ANGELL FOUNDATION"
Image

This is their address:

The Angell Foundation
10880 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite #920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

http://angellfoundation.org/contactus.php

The president of the ANGELL FOUNDATION is one "Perry Oretzky".
So I did a search for Perry, and found this at zoom info:



PERRY ORETZKY

Metivta
10880 Wilshire Blvd Ste 920
Los Angeles, California 90024
United States

We are a Los Angeles based adult, egalitarian,
non-denominational Jewish community founded
by Rabbi Jonathan Omer-Man twenty years ago.
Metivta is a unique place...

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Oretzky_ ... 00049.aspx

The Metivta website: http://metivta.org/Default.asp?page=6

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Strange. Wasn't David Angell's brother a Roman Catholic reverend?
"Kenneth Anthony Angell (born August 3, 1930) is an American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Anthony_Angell
Now things are starting to get interesting, the only pic of Angell in Cheers, is from some dodgy looking Angell foundation site.

And as someone has said his head looks like it is floating, he's the only person in the photo without a neck. Also Angell is sitting in Ratz's chair (I think).
I find it some what ironic that a pic of Angell appearing in Cheers does not feature Ratz.
So if this pic is from an episode where Ratz walks in with Angell still sitting there, lets find this episode & pick it apart.
(I can see Ratz entering from stage left saying "hey Angell get out of my Chair")
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As to why it is that specifically the Western revealed religions are targeted, I think this has to do with our climate of political correctness. It won’t do to point out that it is only Muslims who today advocate extreme violence against innocents in the name of their religion.
:rolleyes:

Haaretz, 09.11.09:

Just weeks after the arrest of alleged Jewish terrorist, Yaakov Teitel, a West Bank rabbi on Monday released a book giving Jews permission to kill Gentiles who threaten Israel.

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.

Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.

"It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."

Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers.


"Tob shebe goyyim harog"

PS. Great find on the Angell foundation Simon!
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It's foolish to indulge in and inject your personal loathing of Jewishness just because the front is depicted as some Jewish organization. Same goes for accepting the Catholic face of vicsim tributes.

Never forget: It's all bullshit. Let's not assume their crumb trail as our path.
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