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Here you can post your questions about any aspect of the wider September Clues research. Below is a "Tour Guide" which I have put together for an easier navigation of the website. There are links to articles addressing the most frequently asked questions which invariably pop up in debates and discussions. Please use it as a reference aid whenever necessary.


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"INTRODUCTORY TOUR GUIDE"
**to the September Clues research**



9/11 is but a giant - and still ongoing - money-making scam. It rotates around the most well-funded and profitable hoax of modern history. Everyone involved in the scheme is reaping a sizeable return from their 'investment bond' which, naturally, has "SILENCE" printed all over it. For anyone to 'speak out' would be both ruinous and suicidal - a most distasteful option. To be sure, such suicidal heroism only exists in journalistic fairy-tales such as, in fact, the outlandish newsmedia's narrative of 9/11 and its "nineteen religious fanatics". The common skeptics' saying that "too many people would have had to be in on this" fails to account for the most fundamental aspect of human nature: our survival instinct.

The master plan of 9/11 was to demolish the redundant, asbestos-filled WTC complex in Lower Manhattan - 9 buildings in all. The area would naturally be evacuated (as for all such demolitions) in order to prevent a slaughterhouse of dreadful proportions - which would not have been a good idea. To be sure, this was no mass murder scheme - just a formidable opportunity for massive financial gains and military propaganda. The military (and its various intelligence affiliates) would manage the ground logistics, such as securing the area, raising smokescreens to hide the proceedings from public view, and last but not least, electromagnetic countermeasures to keep any private cameras from filming the mayhem. The WTC complex was thus 'safely' destroyed in bright daylight.

The rest was (and still is to this day) a gigantic simulation staged and upheld by the complicit news media propaganda machine. The major news corporations are headed by a handful of moguls who are, contrary to popular belief, wholly subservient to the executive powers of USA, Great Britain, Europe and indeed, most of the world's governments. This unfortunate, yet widespread public belief (that the media checks and 'polices' our politicians) is being currently exploited to its full potential for the profit of a restrict so-called 'elite'. In his time, George Orwell would have called their structure "the Network". I suggest to call what we have today "the Nutwork" - since their inconsiderate behavior betray tell-tale signs of rampant megalomania and an alarming absence of mental soundness.


THE SEPTEMBER CLUES WEBSITE http://www.septemberclues.org

The SC website gathers in one place the bulk of our research. On the 'welcome page' you will be able to watch the full 90-minute September Clues documentary with only two mouse clicks (two 45-minute halves). Click "ENTER SITE" to reach all the site's articles listed on the righthand sidebar. I will now list a number of FAQs and the relevant articles which address them. Feel free to repost this "tour guide" of September Clues anywhere you like.


1. What is the source-material of September Clues?
What did the 5 US TV networks broadcast on the morning of 9/11?

http://www.septemberclues.org/faq_1.htm
(Please watch "SYNCHED OUT"- the first 11minutes of the 9/11 broadcasts)

2. What about the many amateur videos we have seen?
http://www.septemberclues.org/faq_2.htm

3. What about the 4 flights we have heard about - and their passengers?
http://www.septemberclues.org/faq_3.htm

4. What about all the eye-witnesses we have heard of on the news?
http://www.septemberclues.org/faq_4.htm

5. Where can I verify the September Clues claim that all the 9/11 imagery was fake?
http://www.septemberclues.org/imagery_analyses.htm
(Think of the 9/11 imagery as a fully pre-fabricated "Hollywood" production)

6. How did they prevent New Yorkers from capturing real images of the events?
http://www.septemberclues.org/visual_control.htm

7. Where can I verify the claim that the 9/11 victims were (most or all) fictitious identities?
http://www.septemberclues.org/vicsims_ ... alyses.htm

8. What about the people we saw jumping out of the WTC towers?
http://www.septemberclues.org/jumpers.htm

9. Where can I find the full 80-page pdf file of the "VICSIM REPORT" ?
http://www.septemberclues.org/vicsims.htm

10. What would be the purpose of fabricating victims for an alleged terror attack ?
http://www.septemberclues.org/deconstructing.htm

11. Who are the people claiming to have lost a family member on 9/11?
http://tinyurl.com/911actors

12. What about the many other 9/11 truth organizations?
http://www.septemberclues.org/obstacles.htm




THE SEPTEMBER CLUES DISCUSSION FORUM

For anyone wishing to follow or even contribute to the ongoing progress of the September Clues research, please go to the Reality Shack forum.
Simply type this short URL in your browser: forum.septemberclues.org
(or click here: http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shack )




SUMMER 2010 *******************************************************
Allcomers are invited to the 2010 summer-game "DEBUNK A SEPTEMBER CLUE" !
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... c=289&st=0
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Hi simon,

I've been touring your website and it's opened my eyes to so many things that I can't sleep at night! :(

I have some questions though concerning the actors of 911. Many of these people are working with the truthers to expose the lie of 911. What is the purpose of Bob McIlvaine for example, who says he lost his son on 911, to be asking for a new investigation if he's an actor? Shouldn't he be promoting the official story of 911?
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snowflake 4 Aug 24 2010, 02:35 PM wrote: What is the purpose of Bob McIlvaine for example, who says he lost his son on 911, to be asking for a new investigation if he's an actor? Shouldn't he be promoting the official story of 911?
Dear Snowflake,

It makes perfect sense for Bob to be cast as someone who "asks the tough questions"(of course, he really doesn't) - just like "the Jersey Girls", who played their role as "the widows who forced Bush to open an investigation". It is all part of the script - and the script is written primarily for the consumption of people who have some doubts about the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory - 19 hijackers, Bin Laden, etc...). So Bob must gain visibility foremostly within the "truther"" crowd - in order to reinforce the very crucial myth of the 3000 victims. That's what gatekeeping is all about.

In the same vein, you could have asked me : "Why does Alex Jones ask so many "hot" questions - if he ultimately is a gatekeeper?" (his GCN network gets funding from ABC). Well, if he didn't, he wouldn't be Alex Jones, would he? The very essence of standard CIA disinformation (if it is to be efficient) is to diffuse it through what people perceive as credible individuals. However strikingly different they may appear, you could say that Alex Jones and Bob McIlvaine are colleagues. And there are many more - at the very forefront of the "9/11 truth movement": funding for this numerous disinfo crowd is certainly not a problem for the 9/11 hoaxers!...
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Well, his alleged son Robert G. McIlvaine doesn't appear in the SSDI...hmm. I've also noticed that the names of the vicsims that do appear in the SSDI (the ones I've researched), all have either (FO) or (72) as their last address. What does that mean?

About the gatekeepers, I've always found Alex Jones quite suspicious. He likes to scare and confuse the crap out of everybody. I think he's trying to create chaos. What about David Ray Griffin? I've liked him from the start and have read some of his books although he still seems to believe that planes hit the buildings. It's hard to know who and what to believe. Who's telling the truth? Who's a plant?
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snowflake @ Aug 24 2010, 04:55 PM wrote: Well, his alleged son Robert G. McIlvaine doesn't appear in the SSDI...hmm. I've also noticed that the names of the vicsims that do appear in the SSDI (the ones I've researched), all have either (FO) or (72) as their last address. What does that mean?

About the gatekeepers, I've always found Alex Jones quite suspicious. He likes to scare and confuse the crap out of everybody. I think he's trying to create chaos. What about David Ray Griffin? I've liked him from the start and have read some of his books although he still seems to believe that planes hit the buildings. It's hard to know who and what to believe. Who's telling the truth? Who's a plant?
My short 2 cents.

If we look at the Mystery religions its all about elevating your self, nurturing the higher and noble elements within you. Alex Jones job seems to be to paralyze his audience and do the opposite of illumination.

David Ray Griffin is a self proclaimed one world government proponent and have had September Clues DVD handed to him by both Simon, D.duck and me....

Whoever draws evidence from fake pictures and refuse to correct him or herself when someone points out the fakery should be looked upon with suspicion.
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Griffin has also received funding from the Rothschilds to help write a world religion. I'd say for a theology lecturer, he sure has a problem with his moral compass.

But who has ever met a completely sane psychoanalyst? :D
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I met David Ray Griffin in a small bookstore in Rome. He was presenting the "9/11 truth" together with Giulietto Chiesa, the guy who did the film "Zero" - an Italian kind of clone of "Loosechange" . (Giulietto Chiesa is a former journalist of "La Stampa", owned by the Italian FIAT conglomerate of Agnelli & co - and an elected European parliament member). I have met and talked to Giulietto 4 times - and he keeps saying he has "not enough knowledge of video matters"...

As I approched David Ray Griffin (a sweet old man) after their presentation, he smiled gently and lent his left ear to me. I asked of course if he had watched September Clues. He said he had heard of it but had not found the time to watch it. I had no DVD with me and just gave him a card with the URL of septemberclues.org.

Are those "experts of 9/11" credible?

You be the judge.
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The truth movement has believed from the beginning that it was not Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon but probably a missile. I think it's frenchman Thierry Meyssan who was the first one to say this. David Ray Griffin credits him often in his book The New Pearl Harbor. So if it wasn't a boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon, then why do truthers still believe that planes hit the WTC towers? Why would the criminals behind 911 use a missile for one thing and planes for another? Griffin mentions in his books that the phone calls were faked and that none of the pilots squawked the hijack code... maybe because there weren't any pilots, because there were no planes? Why isn't he realizing this?

Before knowing about Septemberclues, I thought that something horrible had happened to Flight 77's passengers. That their plane had been deliberately plunged into the ocean or that the passengers were taken somewhere and killed. That's how brilliant I am. It never crossed my mind, that the footage of the planes hitting the WTC could be fake.
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I emailed DRG after seeing him on a "religious affairs" program some years back on BBC TV on the subject of "9/11". He f#cking blew it! He talked in circles about nothing!

His remit was to appeal to the "christianists" with his tales of "God working in mysterious ways his building to demolish!" Much like Gage and Jones appeal to the more professional OCT doubters!

His reply to my email, and I'm paraphrasing---- "the world isn't ready for the truth!"

Snowflake - we are not the "9/11 Truth Movement".
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brianv @ Aug 25 2010, 01:12 PM wrote: I emailed DRG after seeing him on a "religious" program on BBC TV on the subject of "9/11". He f#cking blew it! He talked in circles about nothing!

His remit was to appeal to the "christianists" with his tales of "God working in mysterious ways his building to demolish!"

His reply to my email, and I'm paraphrasing---- "the world isn't ready for the truth!"
Guest on the Alex Jones show:

"The political Zionists absolutely totally control the presidency in Washington, and it's even difficult to talk about on this show..."

Alex Jones:

"(....truth?....) because it doesn't even do any good"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiqfFJP ... re=related
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Guys,

Please, dont forget the topic in this thread:

" SEPTEMBER CLUES Q & A, a "tour guide" of the research"

Try to keep it as clean as possible.


Thanks
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brianv @ Aug 25 2010, 01:12 PM wrote: Snowflake - we are not the "9/11 Truth Movement".
I know you are not the 911 truth movement and that was my point. I don't understand why the truthers are not going in the same direction that you all are.
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snowflake @ Aug 25 2010, 02:58 PM wrote:
brianv 4 Aug 25 2010, 01:12 PM wrote: Snowflake - we are not the "9/11 Truth Movement".
I know you are not the 911 truth movement and that was my point. I don't understand why the truthers are not going in the same direction that you all are.
You dont? Did you ever consider that it was part of the planning for the aftermath?

If you are serious about "9/11" research you can't go in with a closed mind and preconceptions brought about by the media narrative! And thats all it ever was! The world was promised evidence in the aftermath, all we've seen is a few crying f#ckers like Blub Mock Ill Whine III. Lots of emotion no facts!
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Question for simon:

If the WTC towers were all evacuated before they fell and nobody died, then how do you keep the real WTC employees from discovering that the 2000 plus dead people are all fake identities?
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snowflake 4 Aug 25 2010, 06:46 PM wrote: Question for simon:

If the WTC towers were all evacuated before they fell and nobody died, then how do you keep the real WTC employees from discovering that the 2000 plus dead people are all fake identities?
Snowflake,

Please read this post:

"THE WTC'S DECLINE AND EXODUS"
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... &p=2073196

Then scroll down on that thread and read about "Virtual Office Space" in post called:

"ABOUT THE WTC TENANTS"
http://www.septemberclues.org
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