Was ozzybinozwald replaced?

Post by **repentantandy** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:04 am

Fred was (IMHO) spot-on when he mused that the Ozzy of Old might have been "detained" somewhere... and that some agency had then searched his computers and begun impersonating him at his usual posting sites.

Consider this:

A previous nab-and-fake "op" VERY LIKELY happened to the original blogger known only as XYMPHORA.

In the early post-9/11 years he was a remarkable and reliable resource for the latest behind-the-scenes information on a huge variety of conspiracy-related misdeeds by the agents, agencies and corporations who revel in starting and profiting from both real wars and pseudo-disasters.

And the comments section of his blog was peopled by an amazing community of like-minded researchers, several of whom had been tracking parapolitics since the assassination-plagued 1960s and regularly shared key text and bibliographic info from their vast personal libraries.

Then, later in the decade, ""XYMPHY" went silent for many days, and when he "returned"... the comment section became just "semi-functional" and the host ONLY wanted to discuss the excesses of Israel and its monomaniacal supporters. (Honeypot, anyone???)

Thus it remains to the present day, and serious 9/11 material, when it is allowed to be mentioned at all, must be discussed with "grudging" acceptance of the OCT.

Another once-brilliant conspiracy blogger of PROFOUND inside knowledge about political assassinations, Joseph Cannon, also went through a period of "web silence" followed by a suspicious "personality change". His subsequent strict adherence to the 9/11 OCT, with attendant, fanatical moderation of reader comments, greatly reduced the value of visiting the CANNONFIRE blog, and then around last Valentine's Day there appeared an ancient (1930s-era) Mickey Mouse comic strip on the blog which unmistakably suggested "Joe" was going to commit suicide by shotgun. "Joe" hasn't been heard from since.

There are more possible examples of the nab-and-fake syndrome I could mention, but you get the general idea.

And the first anniversary of the controlled demolition of 911Movement draws nigh.

The "Old Ozzie" would, I strongly suspect, have objected strenuously to the parade of Simmy-cousin photos and immediately begun to deconstruct them and search for their evil provenance. The "New Ozzie" seems much more passive.

Perhaps only CSIS knows why... for "Shure". :(

Post by **hoi.polloi** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:56 am

It's simulated behavior that matches both the scenario you mentioned above and a consistent sleeper agent being ordered to act out at sudden notice.

Hard to say which is which, but in the case of Shure aka Jeff Hill, I am liable to think he was a plant all along. In most cases - honestly - I think we can assume this.

But then again Simon and I have never been kidnapped so what do I know?

Post by **nonhocapito** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:27 am

repentantandy 4 Oct 7 2010, 05:04 AM wrote: Fred was (IMHO) spot-on when he mused that the Ozzy of Old might have been "detained" somewhere... and that some agency had then searched his computers and begun impersonating him at his usual posting sites.
Consider this:
A previous nab-and-fake "op" VERY LIKELY happened to the original blogger known only as XYMPHORA.

I did not know XYMPHY and Cannon (my bad), but -correct me if I am wrong- both seem to have been more or less in line with the "9/11 truth" possibility, the demolition-and-foreknowledge story, consuming a lot of time on it and as far as I can tell making sure the ways of fakery were never to be mentioned.

I am not saying they were agents either, maybe they were "skilled-but-old-school" left-wing commentators and researchers who never got to understand the idea of fakery because it didn't fit into their paradigms (and because they never read anything by Simon or Hoi). But I don't know why they would have to be kidnapped, since they are certainly not that dangerous, at least regarding 9/11 matters. They're just political opposition, one that the system can absorb pretty well, having been doing it for a long long time (at least since the sixties, as you rightfully mention -- and of course long before that).

An absence of "a few days" is not something new on blogs, people have lives, this happens all the time. As to the change in the discourse, I am reading back the blog of XYMPHY here and there but I still have to find a clear sign for it.
So maybe, please, can you give us an example, few details? So that I know where to look for signs of kidnapping?

I am not posting this because I know that what you are saying isn't true (I don't) but I am just not convinced. The idea that some are on the brink of being kidnapped because there is no other way to curb their thoughts and ideas is a little too strong for my palate. Ocham's razor wants us to remember that between free speech and the kidnapping squad there are a dozen of other possible accidents that can get in the way.

As to what's happening with Ozzy, it is pretty strange. But I know folks here have his skype contact and have had conversation with him over it in the past, so maybe they could have one again now and reassure everyone that Ozzy is still Ozzy, just a little more pissed? Or come back with the grim news that he "isn't himself", either because he was an agent from the start and now he's burned --or because he's been -gulp- replaced?

Post by **Terence.drew** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:51 am

hoi.polloi 4 Oct 7 2010, 06:56 AM wrote: so what do I know?

This doesn't sound like you at all Pal... Plant!! :lol:

The entity Ozzy has been posting rubbish for months - slyly mixing it in with other insightful stuff.

I have called it (Oz) out 2 or 3 times here, and in exasperation, suggested that as a poster on reality shack it was 'unmoderatable' .

The entity stopped the discourse on the occult lingo thread (feb)- the multilayered significance of numbers etc. which is interesting in itself.

Why steer this particular conversation into the ground? Same with threads dealing with 'God' and such matters. This may be the forefinger and thumb of an 'esoteric' group and not the other lot (although IMO they are the same)

In a thread called 'North hollywood bank robbery' I pointed out that the' Cloned oil rig' photo analysis of entity meant nothing and looked like 'like sporadic geometric shape overlays??"

Could we agree on which 'coloured square' photo analysis entries of entity, still, after the fact stands up to objective scrutiny and which stuff doesn't?

It is easy to become mesmerised by anything or anyone and it is easier to cow tail to a bully than to confront them. The format of a forum also lends itself too well to chumminess and cliques, but any shortcomings of this forum or setbacks which may happen from time to time are a zillion times outweighed by the simple and trans-formative truths unearthed.

I got a message on Youtube from 911 gatekeeper nuffrespect after dissing his mate Alex Jones in a video about the ludicrous speed of the planes which I can post up.
It was all subtle hint and murmurs of murders etc. blah blah..

Beware of people who mention 'kidnapping' and murder etc. casually in passing, as if it may have happened. The currency traded in the quest for the world mind sphere is hysteria which in turn produces the goods - mind control. Actual murders kidnappings etc. are way too messy to get involved in and why bother when suggestion is so effective.

In extreme cases after the disaster of the 60s cultural revolution, supplied drug abuse appears to be used indirectly to control or get rid of outspoken talented musicians/artists/actors.
The Cultural Hoax (hell) we are all living in underpins all other hoaxes.

Sh&t in Sh&t out.

Post by **fred** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:15 pm

"Kidnapping and murder" sounds unpleasant and maybe even illegal. What they do is called "arrest and detention", "gathering evidence on dangerous extremists", and preemptive "self-defense".

And what about impersonation and infiltration? Is it rare?

Home to 911blogger.com, 911truth.org, truthaction, truthmove, etc.

While criminals thought it was based in Eastern Europe, the internet’s top English-speaking cybercrime forum was secretly run by the FBI from this building on the banks of the Monongahela River in Pittsburgh.
Photo: John Monroe Butler/ Wired.com

As far as I know, Ozzy is still Ozzy and his cousin is dead. However, The FBI or RCMP pretending to be somebody else, on the computer or in person, is about as exotic as a traffic cop using a radar gun. It's not unusual, it's not uncommon, they do it all day every day. They even have specialized viruses and spyware to make it easier for them, e.g. CIPAV.

Why is NIST and Nato C3 Command accessing your computer hundreds of times per day?

They're always pretending to be teenage girls, militia members, 9/11 truth "extremists", etc. They do this for routine matters such as child support cases, credit card fraud, to catch people looking for a good time in chatrooms, etc. It's not a rare or isolated thing. From anti-war rallies, to animal rights groups, to "9/11 truth" the FBI is always pretending to be somebody: dirty smelly hippies, Christians with guns, corrupt African officials, you name it.

FBI infiltrates Christian Miltia with memorial scam:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/01/fb ... -suspects/

FBI running cybercrime website:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/1 ... rket-post/

FBI infiltrating "vegan potlucks":

McDavid Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison as a “Terrorist ...

http://guerillamonk.com/2008/05/16/26/ FBI Looking for Informants to ..."
http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mc ... enced/434/

FBI seeks informants in the Twin Cities - Infoshop News

"12 May 2008 ... They wanted me to crash vegan potluck parties and get into the inner .... and the police offered him a deal - to infiltrate our group to be ..."
news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20080512120907228

Leaked US State Department Presentation on Animal Rights Activists ...

"Despite the “eco-terrorism” rhetoric, despite the FBI attempting to ..."
news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20080825154547562

FBI infiltrating Tea Parties
Mises Institute Chairman: FBI Might Have Infiltrated the Tea ...

"1 Apr 2010 ... Well, I certainly hope that the FBI has infiltrated the violent cells of the Tea Party. However, the notion that the Tea Party is alright, ..."
washingtonindependent.com/81201/mises-institute-chairman-fbi-might-have-infiltrated-the-tea-parties

etc.

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63 cases of RCMP pretending to be Mafia Kingpins

Kouri Keenan had no opinion either way when he began his master’s thesis on “Mr. Big”, an undercover police technique in which officers masquerade as criminals to trick suspects into confessing crimes to a fake mob boss.

“I originally set out just to look at the nature and scope of the technique,” says the Fredericton, N.B., SFU criminology student.

But after analyzing 63 Canadian criminal cases involving Mr. Big confessions, Keenan says he now has serious misgivings about the controversial but increasingly common subterfuge, which is admissible in Canada but not the U.S. or U.K.

Militia Leader's Mistrust Festered, Friends Say - WSJ.com

"31 Mar 2010 ... The FBI declined to comment, but infiltration is a common tactic for law-enforcement officials targeting domestic militia groups. ..."
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304739104575154041322442962.html

FBI Infiltrated Iowa Anti-War Group Before GOP Convention

"17 May 2009 ... An FBI informant and an undercover Minnesota sheriff's deputy spied on political activists in Iowa City last year before the Republican ..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/1 ... 04441.html

“Mr. Big” ruse needs reforming, says crim grad

Contact:
Kouri Keenan, 604.505.0027 (currently in Fredericton but can be reached at this number); kkeenan@sfu.ca
Stuart Colcleugh, PAMR, 778.782.3219

Updated: October 8, 2009

1. FBI snitch pretended to be a prince in SoHo until deadbeat dad ...

"12 Jul 2010 ... Even stranger, he was able to sustain this illusion by working as an FBI informant -- landing enough dough to fuel an over-the-top lifestyle ..."
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... 3cAdVQhR4J

2. Informant tells of role in FBI investigations | monteilh, says ...

"30 Dec 2009 ... Craig Monteilh, a man who worked as an informant for the FBI, has pretended to be someone he's not his entire life - Muslim, Russian, ..."
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/mont ... s-fbi.html

Post by **nonhocapito** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:12 pm

fred 4 Oct 7 2010, 04:15 PM wrote: They're always pretending to be teenage girls, militia members, 9/11 truth "extremists", etc. They do this for routine matters such as child support cases, credit card fraud, to catch people looking for a good time in chatrooms, etc. It's not a rare or isolated thing. From anti-war rallies, to animal rights groups, to "9/11 truth" the FBI is always pretending to be somebody: dirty smelly hippies, Christians with guns, corrupt African officials, you name it.

I know groups are infiltrated all the time and infiltrated to the top too.
For the sake of one operation or the other, more or less legal, infiltrations can last decades and have all kinds of consequences.

The italian Red Brigades were infiltrated soon after their conception -- if not *at* their conception. One infiltrator (a guy called Mario Moretti) got to the top of the RB by causing the arrest of all the other leaders: he later guided the Red brigades in a violence spree that lasted for years, culminating with the kidnapping and murder of politician Aldo Moro.

What I was expressing my perplexity about, and maybe it's just a form of resistance I have to the idea, is the physical replacement of a person for the sole purpose to run aground his internet personality or his blog.
I'd love to see evidence of this kind of behavior on part of the FBI or any other entity.

Post by **Terence.drew** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:50 pm

fred 4 Oct 7 2010, 04:15 PM wrote: "Kidnapping and murder" sounds unpleasant and maybe even illegal. What they do is called "arrest and detention", "gathering evidence on dangerous extremists", and preemptive "self-defense".

NIce try Fred. You know this is not what I am talking about.

and The Feds under the beds stuff. hmmmmm I wonder....I am beginning to panic now! You are making me SCARED

Post by **hoi.polloi** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:13 pm

Well, expect the next level of fakery to be something like this:

Take a pre-existing plant, have them "flip out" and post self-discrediting research and then have "family members" of the plant with blogs post "confused" comments about how their lovely - who is supposed to be in Gitmo - is posting to their blog. How can it be possible? Who has taken over their dear one?

It would be just another game to give credibility to some research for the small number of people who have been following that person's activities, while throwing confusion and discredit on the research.

I doubt that anyone has been secreted away from their Internet browsing and posting activities. What possible threat have we posed to their war machine yet? Some angry fist shaking? Shaking our heads in frustration?

They can't afford to replace someone with a spy - it's not worth their time and it would be discovered immediately.

Post by **reel.deal** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:28 pm

nice riot boots

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19928

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJ7aU-n ... r_embedded

Post by **fred** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:34 pm

nonhocapito 4 Oct 7 2010, 05:12 PM wrote:
What I was expressing my perplexity about, and maybe it's just a form of resistance I have to the idea, is the physical replacement of a person for the sole purpose to run aground his internet personality or his blog.
I'd love to see evidence of this kind of behavior on part of the FBI or any other entity.

Evidence? It's standard operating procedure. It's not like some FBI agent goes home to dinner and tries to fool the target's parents. They don't need somebody who looks the part. What they do all the time is try to set up meetings over email or text message.

These days, even clicking on a link is enough for them to justify a raid and a potential 15 year prison sentence. I'm sure that someone there at FBI is resourceful enough to simply claim that the IP address of anyone they want to bring in was found trying to download illegal smut. It is then a simple matter to impersonate the target online.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9899151-38.html

Excerpt from FBI affidavit in Nevada case that shows visits to the hyperlink-sting site.

The search warrants authorized FBI agents to seize and remove any "computer-related" equipment, utility bills, telephone bills, any "addressed correspondence" sent through the U.S. mail, video gear, camera equipment, checkbooks, bank statements, and credit card statements.

While it might seem that merely clicking on a link wouldn't be enough to justify a search warrant, courts have ruled otherwise. On March 6, U.S. District Judge Roger Hunt in Nevada agreed with a magistrate judge that the hyperlink-sting operation constituted sufficient probable cause to justify giving the FBI its search warrant.

FBI going undercover on Facebook - The Economic Times

"17 Mar 2010 ... Story; Comments. Post a comment. Email this article ... revealed that undercover agents for the FBI and other agencies set up false profiles on sites like My ... but it is still a costly way to buy an insurance cover. ..."
htp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/infotech/internet/FBI-going-undercover-on-Facebook/articleshow/5692546.cms

Post by **simonshack** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:40 pm

I just found this fresh comment by "OzzybanOswald" under this recent video:

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet? ... vgZrcVEfgU

OzzybanOswald
On one of my alt channels - 911Nephilim - I have that show. It was Paula Gloria, Webfairy and Nico Haupt. Even when (shill) Stern repeatedly asked (shill) Paula Gloria point blank to explain the fundamentals (which I carefully had laid out for her when she first showed up) she absolutely refused to engage. It was completely infuriating.

So - we now have confirmation by "OzzybanOswald himself" that one of his alternative Youtube channels is indeed "911 NEPHILIM". http://www.youtube.com/user/911Nephilim

The "911 NEPHILIM" youtube channel looks like a Nico Haupt fan-club.
But perhaps "OzzybanOswald" is not related to "OzzybinOswald"?

Fred? Can you help me out here?

Post by **hoi.polloi** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:55 pm

I think he wants to make it clear that ...

Anybody who can't see this is an alt channel of mine is a fucking moron.

(posted 5 minutes ago)

Post by **idschmyd** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:57 pm

simonshack 4 Oct 8 2010, 12:40 AM wrote: I just found this fresh comment by "OzzybanOswald" under this recent video:

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet? ... vgZrcVEfgU

OzzybanOswald (hace 7 minutos)

http://www.youtube.com/user/911Nephilim

Anybody who can't see this is an alt channel of mine is a fucking moron.

There is communication here. That's healthy. :)

Post by **simonshack** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:01 am

Oh - nice!

...I thought I was actually missing something ! :lol:

Post by **fred** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:33 am

simonshack 4 Oct 8 2010, 12:40 AM wrote:
So - we now have confirmation by "OzzybanOswald himself" that one of his alternative Youtube channels is indeed "911 NEPHILIM". http://www.youtube.com/user/911Nephilim

The "911 NEPHILIM" youtube channel looks like a Nico Haupt fan-club.
But perhaps "OzzybanOswald" is not related to "OzzybinOswald"?

Fred? Can you help me out here?

I'm not close to 100% on which channels are Ozzy-run and which are collaborations or sockpuppets or fan accounts.

I remember there was one BsOzzybenFredwald or something, and I asked ozzy if that was a fan or a shill account or what, and had some kind of not-too-sure reply from him.

There are a bunch of well-intentioned fan accounts, and then some deliberately-annoying pseudo-fan accounts. It's hard to sort them out.

As an example, someone was remixing Octopus with heavy UFO-mysticism content, in what I think was an attempt to "tin foil hat" it. Kind of Zeitgeist meets Octopus. I didn't like it, but maybe hard-core UFO mysticism guys with crystals in the desert are into that.

On the other hand, there are a lot of genuine "tribute" accounts out there working remixes of September Clues and other videos, and getting a lot of views in the process with more artsy music-video avant-garde stuff. There was some very interesting re-working of Octopus by GeoKarras, who I think has some sort of serious interest in religion.

There's some annoying Genghis-hanger-on by the name of Nephillim something in Australia, if memory serves me correct. I think 911Nephillim is probably an ozzy channel but who knows.

The goal of the re-uploader channels is to keep the rapidly disappearing content online. There are a lot of very good activists out there keeping youtube alive. 911news, 911revolution, and a bunch of others. Some of these guys may be Alex Jones fans, or not, but upload a pretty broad mix of content.

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As an example of the pseudo-fan presumed shills I offer 41music.

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Then there are the "I'm not sure what to make of them" guys like HeavyPlastic. They may be more "artist" than "researcher".

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I like a lot of Nico's & MelleBelle's video/art/music stuff actually. I just don't think he's the right "front man" for the cause in terms of reaching the mainstream. Whether he's a plant, or just surrounds himself with perps, or what, I don't know. I do know that he's always surrounded by perps, so that's the company he keeps. Go figure.

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As an example of near-kidnapping, re-uploader activist IzakDavid was held for over a year on suspicion of sedition, according to him, for those who doubt the seriousness of the "getting grabbed" scenario.

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I'm still with the base-case null hypothesis on Ozzy's cousin, which is that he had a young female cousin who got murdered in a non 9-11 incident. I think it's a red herring.