THE "CHATBOX"
Re: THE "CHATBOX"
Thanks for the great work, @sekuto! It's indeed a fake war, and now you've got me intrigued by rockets. I've been searching all evening for videos of missiles, but all I can find on YouTube are movies that are just as fake as the "satellites" and "moon landers."
I was looking for videos of SpaceX returning rockets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBL_UJyN88Y
But instead, I found this guy who seems trustworthy and knowledgeable about rockets and what can and can't be done with experiments. (If something can be done on a large scale, there are always amateur enthusiasts who can do it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3lR2GLgT0
Ofcourse they make us believe that these NASA "scientists" are sooo smart no amateur can ever replicate what they did.
I can't seem to find any videos of the state missiles that appear trustworthy. By missile, I mean a piece of controlled weaponry that can be directed towards a specific target and controlled over large distance. All I can find are rocket launchers with 40 rockets, which is similar to what was used in war 500 years ago with arrows.
It's interesting to note that we have rockets, but they are largely uncontrollable over long distances. This reminds me of the current "conflict" between Hamas and Israel, where Hamas is shooting 5000 "rockets" and Israel's "iron dome" is firing rockets that hit the other rockets, turning them into harmless fireworks.
You might be onto something here. Perhaps it's worth starting a thread on this topic. It seems that every "rocket" or "missile" is just a piece of useless fireworks, and it also suggests that everyone involved is in on the scam.
I was looking for videos of SpaceX returning rockets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBL_UJyN88Y
But instead, I found this guy who seems trustworthy and knowledgeable about rockets and what can and can't be done with experiments. (If something can be done on a large scale, there are always amateur enthusiasts who can do it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3lR2GLgT0
Ofcourse they make us believe that these NASA "scientists" are sooo smart no amateur can ever replicate what they did.
I can't seem to find any videos of the state missiles that appear trustworthy. By missile, I mean a piece of controlled weaponry that can be directed towards a specific target and controlled over large distance. All I can find are rocket launchers with 40 rockets, which is similar to what was used in war 500 years ago with arrows.
It's interesting to note that we have rockets, but they are largely uncontrollable over long distances. This reminds me of the current "conflict" between Hamas and Israel, where Hamas is shooting 5000 "rockets" and Israel's "iron dome" is firing rockets that hit the other rockets, turning them into harmless fireworks.
You might be onto something here. Perhaps it's worth starting a thread on this topic. It seems that every "rocket" or "missile" is just a piece of useless fireworks, and it also suggests that everyone involved is in on the scam.
Re: THE "CHATBOX"
Speaking of missiles, I do notice every close-up missile video, either from a ship or a tank, I have seen in the past, looked like CGI to my eyes. I can’t prove it’s CGI, but there’s something weird about the sharpness, lighting or the frame rate that made me feel that way.panertos wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:49 pm I can't seem to find any videos of the state missiles that appear trustworthy. By missile, I mean a piece of controlled weaponry that can be directed towards a specific target and controlled over large distance. All I can find are rocket launchers with 40 rockets, which is similar to what was used in war 500 years ago with arrows.
Or maybe it was the motion? The truck/tank(s) that carries the missile barely moved when the missiles were shot, despite the tremendous force it must be experiencing.
Re: THE "CHATBOX"
Might be interesting to distinct where the truth ends and the lie begins.
Fireworks are real
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Shot them in the air myself many times. Though I have only slight control on direction.
At the other end the fakes
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60s rockets flying to.the moon with a moon rover and people running on the moon and then going back with a rocket in the vacuuum
We also know guns are real or bazookas (same as fireworks) only slight control of direction so only effective within few 100 meters.
Looking at the Gaza "missiles" directed there, we only see controlled explosions.
But looking at what's shot from flight deck ships, or the big ones on the trucks, or the "iron dome", not speaking about the SpaceX or any other space agency.
Let's accept this hypothesis for a bit.
It would mean the large navy ships with alleged missiles that can cruise 100s of Kms are fake. It means the whole nuclear arsenal is fake. The German V2 rockets are fake.
And that seems logical to me.
Why would you develop fighter or bomber planes, if you have missiles that are allegedly so great?
I think the reality might be that we are barely able to control fireworks. It's like saying we develop a guided bullit from a gun.
There is nothing like that.
If you take away all the weaponry.
Fake nukes, fake missiles, fake space missions, fake wars, fake enemies why do we need states that take more than 50% of our production in taxes?
If the threat isn't real? Like the fake cold war?
Would the population accept these controlling rulers without a dangerous enemy?
I don't think so.
It also shows why North Korea is important to the "empire". And to make them look dangerous. Same with Iran.
I think more and more these countries are puppet states. The have a very important function for the empire.
And the elites there love to play that role as it gives them protected power.
Hamas is the same as North Korea. A perfect enemy.
Under this enemy narrative which we accept heavy taxation. Total state control.
I mean if we would really really care, we would "free" the north Korean people right? Or free the Iranians? Send in a few 100 well trained guys to kill the elites. Seems very easy to me.
The more I dive into it, the more it makes sense. We live in a global balance in which all the elites benefit.
Kim Yong Un benefits. As does the Iranian elite.
And it also makes it impossible to escape as everyone is in on it. (All the states in the UN play their given role)
Advanced (fake) weapons, never ending threats of war are an incredible form of population control.
Let's say you're leading an independent country.
Would you accept the deal? You get to play in the system, and your position is secured, no threats on your life (if Kim Yong is dangerous why wouldn't he be murdered today?), You can say you have an enemy, promise your people you keep them safe, you make great fake weapons and the people will love you for them. And you can tax them all you want.
The current system is heaven for elites. Almost no risk.
It really makes you question all the "wars" in history. What was really happening behind the scenes? And what was fake and what was real?
Well long post with some thoughts. Have a great day.
Seems to me a large part of the missile narrative is fake.
Fireworks are real
-----------
Shot them in the air myself many times. Though I have only slight control on direction.
At the other end the fakes
----------------
60s rockets flying to.the moon with a moon rover and people running on the moon and then going back with a rocket in the vacuuum
We also know guns are real or bazookas (same as fireworks) only slight control of direction so only effective within few 100 meters.
Looking at the Gaza "missiles" directed there, we only see controlled explosions.
But looking at what's shot from flight deck ships, or the big ones on the trucks, or the "iron dome", not speaking about the SpaceX or any other space agency.
Let's accept this hypothesis for a bit.
It would mean the large navy ships with alleged missiles that can cruise 100s of Kms are fake. It means the whole nuclear arsenal is fake. The German V2 rockets are fake.
And that seems logical to me.
Why would you develop fighter or bomber planes, if you have missiles that are allegedly so great?
I think the reality might be that we are barely able to control fireworks. It's like saying we develop a guided bullit from a gun.
There is nothing like that.
If you take away all the weaponry.
Fake nukes, fake missiles, fake space missions, fake wars, fake enemies why do we need states that take more than 50% of our production in taxes?
If the threat isn't real? Like the fake cold war?
Would the population accept these controlling rulers without a dangerous enemy?
I don't think so.
It also shows why North Korea is important to the "empire". And to make them look dangerous. Same with Iran.
I think more and more these countries are puppet states. The have a very important function for the empire.
And the elites there love to play that role as it gives them protected power.
Hamas is the same as North Korea. A perfect enemy.
Under this enemy narrative which we accept heavy taxation. Total state control.
I mean if we would really really care, we would "free" the north Korean people right? Or free the Iranians? Send in a few 100 well trained guys to kill the elites. Seems very easy to me.
The more I dive into it, the more it makes sense. We live in a global balance in which all the elites benefit.
Kim Yong Un benefits. As does the Iranian elite.
And it also makes it impossible to escape as everyone is in on it. (All the states in the UN play their given role)
Advanced (fake) weapons, never ending threats of war are an incredible form of population control.
Let's say you're leading an independent country.
Would you accept the deal? You get to play in the system, and your position is secured, no threats on your life (if Kim Yong is dangerous why wouldn't he be murdered today?), You can say you have an enemy, promise your people you keep them safe, you make great fake weapons and the people will love you for them. And you can tax them all you want.
The current system is heaven for elites. Almost no risk.
It really makes you question all the "wars" in history. What was really happening behind the scenes? And what was fake and what was real?
Well long post with some thoughts. Have a great day.
Seems to me a large part of the missile narrative is fake.
Re: THE "CHATBOX"
I agree. This is a topic that is certainly worth a new thread.
Rockets, missiles and throw reaper and predator drones in there too. I'm not being sarcastic. Has anyone actually seen these things in operation? Do we know that soldiers sitting in front of screens are controlling these things from bunkers? Or are they simply playing realistic VR computer games?
Re: THE "CHATBOX"
I don't know if missiles and other 'high-tech' weapons are fake or not,
but I can say with certainty that modern wars are fake.
I have shared my research on the Russo-Ukraine war and (2nd) Iraq war before; but I'll repost them again:
2023 Russo-Ukraine war
- Analysis of media reporting up to Jul 2022
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/wag-t ... -war.6188/
- Analysis of media reporting continuing from Jul 2022
https://twitter.com/doubt_everythng/sta ... 8871361537
2011 US-Iraq war
- Analysis based on Associated Press archive footage
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640 ... 23552.html
- Analysis of NBC reporting
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640 ... 41696.html
- Analysis of deformed babied due to gas attacks
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640 ... 52736.html
Then there's of course the CluesForum analysis of military casualties:
viewtopic.php?t=1575&hilit=Iraq+war
(curious phenomenon where soldiers killed on the same day usually have the same background in their photos)
Saddam Hussein
Global Policy Forum - US and British Support for Hussein Regime -https://archive.globalpolicy.org/securi ... nindex.htm
Saddam Hussein's capture https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... erHole.jpg
(note: it should be quite clear that the two heads are pasted into the photo - it is impossible for the soldier to have his body tilted downwards while his head tilted upwards to face the camera)
"Awake Goy" - https://www.jewworldorder.org/saddam-ga ... s-friends/
There are also ones I have not shared before:
2011 Libya revolution
- US involvement: March 24 2011 NATO bombing
viewtopic.php?t=791&start=315
- Some photo analysis of Libyan rebels
viewtopic.php?t=791&start=330
- Uprising in Tripoli, Aug 20 2011
https://therearenosunglasses.wordpress. ... n-tripoli/
- Gaddafi's death
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ution.html
(note: the photos of "Gaddafi's corpse" show irregularities in the blood stains - in the 1st and 2nd photo, the top of the mattress is stained, and Gaddafi only have blood stains on his arms; in the 4th photo, there is a trail of blood down his neck; in the 5th photo, there is blood on his neck, and a lot of blood on his abdomen, but the mattress is not stained. How can the blood appear and disappear across photos?
Also in the photo where rebels are standing in front of the supposed underground tunnels, the shadows of the rebels are inconsistent with each other; the rebel closest to the camera seems to have his feet cut off, or buried in the sand.)
Gaddafi
The Independent - Gaddafi, Britain and US: A secret, special and very cosy relationship
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 49039.html
1988 Lockerbie bombing (downing of Pan Am Flight 103)
(note: happened on Dec 21, 1988; 270 dead in total; Libya gave 2.16 billion for compensation)
- Matrix Breakout - The 1988 Lockerbie 747 Bombing Hoax
(note: skip to 2:20; creator made too many trivial observations based on numerology)
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=RYDH13G5YM52
Summary: massive crater on site that should not be created by a plane crash, vanished plane body, minimum damage to surroundings; jet engine buried deep into the ground; witnesses giving improbable testimonies - note, according to sunset data, the sun has completely set in Dumfries by 19:00)
- Lockerbie Air Disaster: The Next Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km24kC7SVms
(note: by the next day, there are no bodies or body parts that can be seen; at around 2:21 into the video, luggage supposedly fallen from the plane is largely undamaged, which is inconsistent with what would be expected)
- Ludwig De Braeckeleer (IntelToday) - Lockerbie (note: the author is of the opinion the plane crash did happen. In any case, he presents the inconsistencies in the official narrative)
https://inteltoday.org/lockerbie/
Syria civil war
Attack in Homs, 2011
Leaked video showing Syrian activist Danny Abdul Dayem pretending that Homs is being shelled
https://web.archive.org/web/20120302013 ... -DCZxsrt9I (note, Dayem was hailed as "the voice of Homs" by Washington Post)
Leaked video of faked victims in a hospital in Homs
https://web.archive.org/web/20140228233 ... r_embedded
on Avaaz
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/03/a ... syria.html
Amateur footage of shelling in Homs, 2012 (note: unfortunately, the original footage is lost, thus one has to take the author's word for it)
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/04/t ... -fake.html
2013 chemical attack
Washington Post - Experts Doubt Syrian Chemical Weapons Claim
https://web.archive.org/web/20130902111 ... ndals.html
footage (such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmux0xmrXUU) shows people helping the victims without any protective gear and none seemed to be harmed; suggesting no chemical weapons were used
Updates in 2016-2018
- The case of Omran Daqneesh
In 2016, Western media widely circulated a photo a bloodied Syrian child, Omran Daqneesh; the photo was taken by Mahmoud Raslan, who was connected to Syrian Zenki "rebel" group
https://www.transcend.org/tms/2016/08/t ... wn-closet/
The Zenki rebel group was infamous for a video a child beheading video: https://web.archive.org/web/20160721164 ... d-a-child/
Notice in the video, after the first spurt of blood, the blood stops; also, it is doubtful that the small knife is capable of severing the neck bone (note: the small knife is reminiscent of the other ISIS beheading videos). Assuming the video is fake, it implies Raslan is connected to profession hoaxers.
- 'Syrian Civil Defense' (aka White Helmet) propaganda
Corbett report - The White Helmets Are A Propaganda Construct
https://www.corbettreport.com/whitehelmets/
full video of the admittedly staged video:
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/24/midd ... index.html
(note: it is indistinguishable from the many other "rescue" videos released by White Helmet)
- 2016 Aleppo Al-Quds Hospital bombing
If the following report is to be trusted, the hospital was not bombed
http://www.acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki ... al,_Aleppo
- 2018 Douma chemical attack
People involved asserts there is no chemical attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6olkzz9_AA
Wikileaks reveals dissent within the 'Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons' for their Douma report
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/1 ... m-d16.html
- Extent of destruction in Raqqa, Aleppo, Damascus, 2017-2018
In the drone video by Guardian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItsSjLHL6M ;
the destroyed buildings are very monotonous, usually buildings have different colors, height and sizes; at 0:09-0:13, the shadows of the cars (horizontal to the right) is inconsistent with the shadows of the rubble (almost vertical to the back) - might the footage be CGI?
Similar drone footage exist for Aleppo (2016): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7PV9ZY6XBA, and Damascus (2017): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLYl2jap2mY
Contrast them with amateur footage (videos uploaded Jul 19, 2017; claimed taken in 2016)
Aleppo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjDvvDDnV2k
Damascus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRefs3xShl0
(note: of course. there are destroyed buildings in Homs and Aleppo; the problem is there is no way of telling what led to the destruction)
In this gallery provided by Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/galle ... n-pictures
in many of the photos, the people are most likely photoshopped in, as the light and shadows are very inconsistent between different characters and with the background
Israel-Palestine conflict pre-2023
- Hamas created by Israel (note: like Afghan mujahideens are trained by the CIA)
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-i ... -creation/
Operation Cast Lead, 2008
- Analysis of Amnesty International report
www.thomaswictor.com/the-lies-of-amnesty-international/
Operation Protective Edge
- Extent of destruction in Gaza, 2014-2016
BBC (2014): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJN9fnt0rpw - in this older footage, the monotonous buildings is reminiscent of the Syria drone footage analyzed above
Compare it with amateur footage of Gaza:
(note: videos uploaded on Jul 19 2017, claimed to be taken in 2015-2016)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfjYC8tmItU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtJc2C2UMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acricdYNpDQ
- Fakery analysis, 2014
Gaza airport: http://www.thomaswictor.com/faked-photo ... l-airport/
mosque: www.thomaswictor.com/fake-bombed-mosque/
residential area: http://www.thomaswictor.com/fake-story-fake-photos/
school: http://www.thomaswictor.com/not-dead-little-girl/
beach: http://www.thomaswictor.com/was-the-gaz ... t-a-setup/
documentary "Journalist under Fire": www.thomaswictor.com/the-idf-killed-no- ... s-in-gaza/ (original documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUn6pnxUl_U)
Casualties:
http://www.thomaswictor.com/the-worthle ... lty-lists/
www.thomaswictor.com/why-we-cant-trust- ... y-figures/
Updates in 2015-2021
- Publicized fakery in 2015-2016
Fox News - Brazen faking of images reveals Hamas’ desperation
https://www.foxnews.com/world/brazen-fa ... esperation
The Independent - Hamas 'tank' dismissed as harmless 'parade float' after wheels seen under structure driven through Gaza City
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 51436.html
- Multiple Gaza bombings 'accidentally' caught live by media, 2021
(note: reminiscent of the fake Gulf War coverage, and the fake Syria Homs coverage)
Guardian (May 13 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBhEZ7gQCpQ
BBC (May 15 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kJFIKER1k8
Al Jazeera (May 16 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQjq802NX8g
- Extent of destruction in Gaza, 2021
Telegraph (2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLhXRDS1Dtw - the shadow angle of buildings is inconsistent with that of the pedestrians in multiple scenes
2023 Sudan conflict
- Analysis of media reporting, and alleged evacuation of foreign civilians
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1715 ... 41242.html
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Indeed it is a good question to ask: when did the 'fake wars' started;
the Nuclear-Space (Cold) war is fake, as is well-known;
there's a growing amount of people who started to think WWII is fake (or at least 'controlled');
how about WWI? Or the ones before it?
Where does real History start, and where does it end...
but I can say with certainty that modern wars are fake.
I have shared my research on the Russo-Ukraine war and (2nd) Iraq war before; but I'll repost them again:
2023 Russo-Ukraine war
- Analysis of media reporting up to Jul 2022
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/wag-t ... -war.6188/
- Analysis of media reporting continuing from Jul 2022
https://twitter.com/doubt_everythng/sta ... 8871361537
2011 US-Iraq war
- Analysis based on Associated Press archive footage
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640 ... 23552.html
- Analysis of NBC reporting
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640 ... 41696.html
- Analysis of deformed babied due to gas attacks
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640 ... 52736.html
Then there's of course the CluesForum analysis of military casualties:
viewtopic.php?t=1575&hilit=Iraq+war
(curious phenomenon where soldiers killed on the same day usually have the same background in their photos)
Saddam Hussein
Global Policy Forum - US and British Support for Hussein Regime -https://archive.globalpolicy.org/securi ... nindex.htm
Saddam Hussein's capture https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... erHole.jpg
(note: it should be quite clear that the two heads are pasted into the photo - it is impossible for the soldier to have his body tilted downwards while his head tilted upwards to face the camera)
"Awake Goy" - https://www.jewworldorder.org/saddam-ga ... s-friends/
There are also ones I have not shared before:
2011 Libya revolution
- US involvement: March 24 2011 NATO bombing
viewtopic.php?t=791&start=315
- Some photo analysis of Libyan rebels
viewtopic.php?t=791&start=330
- Uprising in Tripoli, Aug 20 2011
https://therearenosunglasses.wordpress. ... n-tripoli/
- Gaddafi's death
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ution.html
(note: the photos of "Gaddafi's corpse" show irregularities in the blood stains - in the 1st and 2nd photo, the top of the mattress is stained, and Gaddafi only have blood stains on his arms; in the 4th photo, there is a trail of blood down his neck; in the 5th photo, there is blood on his neck, and a lot of blood on his abdomen, but the mattress is not stained. How can the blood appear and disappear across photos?
Also in the photo where rebels are standing in front of the supposed underground tunnels, the shadows of the rebels are inconsistent with each other; the rebel closest to the camera seems to have his feet cut off, or buried in the sand.)
Gaddafi
The Independent - Gaddafi, Britain and US: A secret, special and very cosy relationship
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 49039.html
1988 Lockerbie bombing (downing of Pan Am Flight 103)
(note: happened on Dec 21, 1988; 270 dead in total; Libya gave 2.16 billion for compensation)
- Matrix Breakout - The 1988 Lockerbie 747 Bombing Hoax
(note: skip to 2:20; creator made too many trivial observations based on numerology)
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=RYDH13G5YM52
Summary: massive crater on site that should not be created by a plane crash, vanished plane body, minimum damage to surroundings; jet engine buried deep into the ground; witnesses giving improbable testimonies - note, according to sunset data, the sun has completely set in Dumfries by 19:00)
- Lockerbie Air Disaster: The Next Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km24kC7SVms
(note: by the next day, there are no bodies or body parts that can be seen; at around 2:21 into the video, luggage supposedly fallen from the plane is largely undamaged, which is inconsistent with what would be expected)
- Ludwig De Braeckeleer (IntelToday) - Lockerbie (note: the author is of the opinion the plane crash did happen. In any case, he presents the inconsistencies in the official narrative)
https://inteltoday.org/lockerbie/
Syria civil war
Attack in Homs, 2011
Leaked video showing Syrian activist Danny Abdul Dayem pretending that Homs is being shelled
https://web.archive.org/web/20120302013 ... -DCZxsrt9I (note, Dayem was hailed as "the voice of Homs" by Washington Post)
Leaked video of faked victims in a hospital in Homs
https://web.archive.org/web/20140228233 ... r_embedded
on Avaaz
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/03/a ... syria.html
Amateur footage of shelling in Homs, 2012 (note: unfortunately, the original footage is lost, thus one has to take the author's word for it)
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/04/t ... -fake.html
2013 chemical attack
Washington Post - Experts Doubt Syrian Chemical Weapons Claim
https://web.archive.org/web/20130902111 ... ndals.html
footage (such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmux0xmrXUU) shows people helping the victims without any protective gear and none seemed to be harmed; suggesting no chemical weapons were used
Updates in 2016-2018
- The case of Omran Daqneesh
In 2016, Western media widely circulated a photo a bloodied Syrian child, Omran Daqneesh; the photo was taken by Mahmoud Raslan, who was connected to Syrian Zenki "rebel" group
https://www.transcend.org/tms/2016/08/t ... wn-closet/
The Zenki rebel group was infamous for a video a child beheading video: https://web.archive.org/web/20160721164 ... d-a-child/
Notice in the video, after the first spurt of blood, the blood stops; also, it is doubtful that the small knife is capable of severing the neck bone (note: the small knife is reminiscent of the other ISIS beheading videos). Assuming the video is fake, it implies Raslan is connected to profession hoaxers.
- 'Syrian Civil Defense' (aka White Helmet) propaganda
Corbett report - The White Helmets Are A Propaganda Construct
https://www.corbettreport.com/whitehelmets/
full video of the admittedly staged video:
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/24/midd ... index.html
(note: it is indistinguishable from the many other "rescue" videos released by White Helmet)
- 2016 Aleppo Al-Quds Hospital bombing
If the following report is to be trusted, the hospital was not bombed
http://www.acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki ... al,_Aleppo
- 2018 Douma chemical attack
People involved asserts there is no chemical attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6olkzz9_AA
Wikileaks reveals dissent within the 'Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons' for their Douma report
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/1 ... m-d16.html
- Extent of destruction in Raqqa, Aleppo, Damascus, 2017-2018
In the drone video by Guardian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bItsSjLHL6M ;
the destroyed buildings are very monotonous, usually buildings have different colors, height and sizes; at 0:09-0:13, the shadows of the cars (horizontal to the right) is inconsistent with the shadows of the rubble (almost vertical to the back) - might the footage be CGI?
Similar drone footage exist for Aleppo (2016): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7PV9ZY6XBA, and Damascus (2017): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLYl2jap2mY
Contrast them with amateur footage (videos uploaded Jul 19, 2017; claimed taken in 2016)
Aleppo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjDvvDDnV2k
Damascus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRefs3xShl0
(note: of course. there are destroyed buildings in Homs and Aleppo; the problem is there is no way of telling what led to the destruction)
In this gallery provided by Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/galle ... n-pictures
in many of the photos, the people are most likely photoshopped in, as the light and shadows are very inconsistent between different characters and with the background
Israel-Palestine conflict pre-2023
- Hamas created by Israel (note: like Afghan mujahideens are trained by the CIA)
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-i ... -creation/
Operation Cast Lead, 2008
- Analysis of Amnesty International report
www.thomaswictor.com/the-lies-of-amnesty-international/
Operation Protective Edge
- Extent of destruction in Gaza, 2014-2016
BBC (2014): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJN9fnt0rpw - in this older footage, the monotonous buildings is reminiscent of the Syria drone footage analyzed above
Compare it with amateur footage of Gaza:
(note: videos uploaded on Jul 19 2017, claimed to be taken in 2015-2016)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfjYC8tmItU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTtJc2C2UMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acricdYNpDQ
- Fakery analysis, 2014
Gaza airport: http://www.thomaswictor.com/faked-photo ... l-airport/
mosque: www.thomaswictor.com/fake-bombed-mosque/
residential area: http://www.thomaswictor.com/fake-story-fake-photos/
school: http://www.thomaswictor.com/not-dead-little-girl/
beach: http://www.thomaswictor.com/was-the-gaz ... t-a-setup/
documentary "Journalist under Fire": www.thomaswictor.com/the-idf-killed-no- ... s-in-gaza/ (original documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUn6pnxUl_U)
Casualties:
http://www.thomaswictor.com/the-worthle ... lty-lists/
www.thomaswictor.com/why-we-cant-trust- ... y-figures/
Updates in 2015-2021
- Publicized fakery in 2015-2016
Fox News - Brazen faking of images reveals Hamas’ desperation
https://www.foxnews.com/world/brazen-fa ... esperation
The Independent - Hamas 'tank' dismissed as harmless 'parade float' after wheels seen under structure driven through Gaza City
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 51436.html
- Multiple Gaza bombings 'accidentally' caught live by media, 2021
(note: reminiscent of the fake Gulf War coverage, and the fake Syria Homs coverage)
Guardian (May 13 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBhEZ7gQCpQ
BBC (May 15 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kJFIKER1k8
Al Jazeera (May 16 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQjq802NX8g
- Extent of destruction in Gaza, 2021
Telegraph (2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLhXRDS1Dtw - the shadow angle of buildings is inconsistent with that of the pedestrians in multiple scenes
2023 Sudan conflict
- Analysis of media reporting, and alleged evacuation of foreign civilians
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1715 ... 41242.html
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Indeed it is a good question to ask: when did the 'fake wars' started;
the Nuclear-Space (Cold) war is fake, as is well-known;
there's a growing amount of people who started to think WWII is fake (or at least 'controlled');
how about WWI? Or the ones before it?
Where does real History start, and where does it end...
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@sekito
What I wonder with all the fake wars, who benefits?
Let's take the fake Russia/Ukraine war, or the Gaza/Israel I can see a Ukrainian elite is benefitting, as is a Russian elite.
But what always surprises me is that everybody plays this game, e.g. Zelensky comes to the parliament and gets these standing ovations all across the world. Everyone plays the game.
Somehow it looks to me as if it is a entertainment roadshow.
Those that play war are paid by the other countries, both Russia and Ukraine in this case.
It's like WWF wrestling, a form of entertainment, like now in Gaza/Israel they are entertaining the world, and will both get well paid for it.
I'm wondering, what would happen if we have no fake wars, no fake pandemics, no hopeful satellites, no moon travel, no outer space, no international enemy.
I think we would be wondering why we pay 50% tax to our rulers? "Wars" are there to keep us engaged. But i'm not real sure.
Would do you think is the reason to organize all these fake events?
What I wonder with all the fake wars, who benefits?
Let's take the fake Russia/Ukraine war, or the Gaza/Israel I can see a Ukrainian elite is benefitting, as is a Russian elite.
But what always surprises me is that everybody plays this game, e.g. Zelensky comes to the parliament and gets these standing ovations all across the world. Everyone plays the game.
Somehow it looks to me as if it is a entertainment roadshow.
Those that play war are paid by the other countries, both Russia and Ukraine in this case.
It's like WWF wrestling, a form of entertainment, like now in Gaza/Israel they are entertaining the world, and will both get well paid for it.
I'm wondering, what would happen if we have no fake wars, no fake pandemics, no hopeful satellites, no moon travel, no outer space, no international enemy.
I think we would be wondering why we pay 50% tax to our rulers? "Wars" are there to keep us engaged. But i'm not real sure.
Would do you think is the reason to organize all these fake events?
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"...elites who manufacture 'wars' do it (mostly) for financial incentives. A real war that put their lives in actual danger defeats the purpose of getting rich; whereas a staged war is much safer and cheaper, and just as effective - as long as the masses believes the narrative. It is also not 'economical' - for lack of a better word - for the elites to create destruction on property and lives.
Even if there is a real desire to overturn a foreign government, wars are not an effective way to do so; it would be far simpler to install a friendly puppet-government through propaganda campaigns, monetary support, and if all else fails - a coup. Staged wars come after the foreign government has already submitted, to put on a show for soliciting funds for the 'war effort'."
"There are many possible reasons to fake mass killings :
1. to garner support for stricter gun laws and/or policing laws - this is especially so for school shootings;
2. financial incentives: funding for new security measures, insurance scam, appropriating public funds for 'victim' support, asking the public for donations;
3. to create a general sense of horror: people usually look for a leader's protection and guidance when they feel threatened, thus become more easy to manipulate. People under stress are also more likely to become ill, which in turn profit the medical industry;
4. to manufacture conflict between two opposing groups: 'left' vs 'right', blacks vs whites etc., so that the masses fight with each other, instead of revolting against the 'elites';
5. a distraction tactic from other 'real' events, such as the captured government and rising inflation; just like a horror flick, fake terror is a form of perverse entertainment.
6. To cause people to doubt morality, and/or "God". Many of these reasons also apply to terrorism and wars."
Even if there is a real desire to overturn a foreign government, wars are not an effective way to do so; it would be far simpler to install a friendly puppet-government through propaganda campaigns, monetary support, and if all else fails - a coup. Staged wars come after the foreign government has already submitted, to put on a show for soliciting funds for the 'war effort'."
"There are many possible reasons to fake mass killings :
1. to garner support for stricter gun laws and/or policing laws - this is especially so for school shootings;
2. financial incentives: funding for new security measures, insurance scam, appropriating public funds for 'victim' support, asking the public for donations;
3. to create a general sense of horror: people usually look for a leader's protection and guidance when they feel threatened, thus become more easy to manipulate. People under stress are also more likely to become ill, which in turn profit the medical industry;
4. to manufacture conflict between two opposing groups: 'left' vs 'right', blacks vs whites etc., so that the masses fight with each other, instead of revolting against the 'elites';
5. a distraction tactic from other 'real' events, such as the captured government and rising inflation; just like a horror flick, fake terror is a form of perverse entertainment.
6. To cause people to doubt morality, and/or "God". Many of these reasons also apply to terrorism and wars."
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Let me try as well, I think the main driver is FEAR.
The thing that the people with loads of power and money fear is loosing it. With power and a lot of money come a lot of fears. Fearing their kids to be abducted, feeling that people are always after your money, feeling unsafe and thereby building very advanced security systems around their houses, afraid that people have bad intention, having special security for phones, a lot of energy goes into keeping everything up and running, the vacation houses, the cars, the house, they fear for the future of their kids, if they are safe at school, they see parents of other kids forcing their kids to like their kids.
There is a deep fear that if they loose their money and power, nothing is left, just a life of slavery. Which implies exactly how they look at the lifes of other people.
I know a guy who married into a very wealthy family and this is how his life changed. And how his views on life have been influenced.
Kings and queens try to maintain or grow their power and wealth.
Investors try to grow their wealth and influence.
A bureaucracy tries to get close to those with power and wealth. The nearer they get (the higher in the org) they more wealth there will be for them. The amount of servants is never ending.
So the foggy elite is a preservation scheme of wealth and power. When elites fight other elites it's bloody. Families will be murdered.
Take the Russian Tsar's family. I think this is the driving emotional element we can all imagine.
What best to agree with other elites, on power, this is yours, this is mine, that doesn't mean the trust is there, they know everyone will always be after their power, it's a game of chess, but the goal is not to get to the end game in which one of them dies, the goal is to preserve.
How far would they go to preserve their power and wealth? To secure the safety and future of their children?
They look at the plebs with fear and contempt. They don't see them highly, but also know you only need 1 "idiot" to abduct their kids, to take them out, 1 mistake to loose their full fortune.
Wisdom is to work together. I have seen the children of rich families work in the NGOs of other families. There is a lot of intermingling. Between families, internationally, these relationship are hesitant, but easier than those with the plebs for them, they are not directly after their money and power. They understand there is more than enough for anybody.
In what kind of society can elites preserve money and power?
In societies in which they are not attacked.
How can they not be attacked?
To be seen as good people, that are there for the people, rich people love owning press agencies, why?
As it is the best instrument to control the conversation.
Many people are not having good lives, hard work, slave like existence, who do they blame?
Those with money and power don't want to be blamed, so they need scapegoats. Scapegoats can only function for a limited time. Then people find out, they are not that bad.
So what we see in society is a constant play of divisive play of scapegoating. Black vs White. In my life I have been hero, scapegoat, hero, scapegoat, this is lightly
based on reality. But everyone can be scapegoated.
There will always be people that call out the elites, what is important is that the scapegoating operation is more powerful that the call out of the elite.
When we fear muslims, we don't mind how owns all our papers. When we fear Russia, we don't mind the elite has direct access to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Meta and know our full lifes (just for our safety ofcourse, to filter out terrorists)
We need an international enemy (russia now), an enemy within our borders (Muslims), a coming enemy (China)
The elite need to look powerless.
3 days after the Israel-Gaza event began, the English elite got this news article published:
Kate Middleton and Prince William Reveal Their Most-Used Emojis — and William's Isn't Family-Friendly!
https://people.com/kate-middleton-princ ... is-8350258
Look people, we are just like you, the monarchies are powerless. We have nothing to do with Israel or Gaza, we are just people that cut ribbons. I had to laugh so hard when I saw this. This is a brilliant form of propaganda, over the top, but nice.
I think our international elite is very stable at this moment. No kings are murdered. No billionaires murdered.
They have a large propaganda apparatus that make them seen as good people. The powerless, emoji lovings monarchs.
The billionaires who just want to do good for the world.
Internationalism is an agreement between elites to not go after each other.
Chosen scapegoats are Iran & North Korea whose elites both benefit from this arrangement.
If there would a real conflict between "countries" they would immediately decapitate the leadership. And install a puppet government.
So it is never "country" against "country", a real war is elite vs elite. Where both sides are able to convince large masses to fight for them.
But as long as elites; either monarchs, billionaires or powerful politicians (not those "elected" bureaucrats that clap for Zelensky) are walking the streets and giving speeches and are shaking hands. We are not in war.
When the borders are open, we are not in war.
The elites and the families are very safe now.
That means we are in showtime. And the large majority is show.
I think there is probably a committee of the powerful, deciding on the propaganda wars to shape.
I more or less think all the global elites are in on this.
If you are not in, you are dead.
Gaddafi said things like:
Milosevic said:
Once in while somebody stands up and they basically pop him.
The people of that country get seduced by free roads, free trade, sexual perversion, a well funded new elite.
Corona opened my eyes, seeing Iran, China, Russia, Dubai, UK, US, Europe all do the same stuff.
So concluding unless we see the billionaires, monarchs or other elites killed, we are in Hollywood territory.
But Gaddafi and Milosevic were quite right in their assessment, no wonder they are dead.
The real battle is people vs elite. But the elites built a very very strong house, which is very well funded and well controlled.
The thing that the people with loads of power and money fear is loosing it. With power and a lot of money come a lot of fears. Fearing their kids to be abducted, feeling that people are always after your money, feeling unsafe and thereby building very advanced security systems around their houses, afraid that people have bad intention, having special security for phones, a lot of energy goes into keeping everything up and running, the vacation houses, the cars, the house, they fear for the future of their kids, if they are safe at school, they see parents of other kids forcing their kids to like their kids.
There is a deep fear that if they loose their money and power, nothing is left, just a life of slavery. Which implies exactly how they look at the lifes of other people.
I know a guy who married into a very wealthy family and this is how his life changed. And how his views on life have been influenced.
Kings and queens try to maintain or grow their power and wealth.
Investors try to grow their wealth and influence.
A bureaucracy tries to get close to those with power and wealth. The nearer they get (the higher in the org) they more wealth there will be for them. The amount of servants is never ending.
So the foggy elite is a preservation scheme of wealth and power. When elites fight other elites it's bloody. Families will be murdered.
Take the Russian Tsar's family. I think this is the driving emotional element we can all imagine.
What best to agree with other elites, on power, this is yours, this is mine, that doesn't mean the trust is there, they know everyone will always be after their power, it's a game of chess, but the goal is not to get to the end game in which one of them dies, the goal is to preserve.
How far would they go to preserve their power and wealth? To secure the safety and future of their children?
They look at the plebs with fear and contempt. They don't see them highly, but also know you only need 1 "idiot" to abduct their kids, to take them out, 1 mistake to loose their full fortune.
Wisdom is to work together. I have seen the children of rich families work in the NGOs of other families. There is a lot of intermingling. Between families, internationally, these relationship are hesitant, but easier than those with the plebs for them, they are not directly after their money and power. They understand there is more than enough for anybody.
In what kind of society can elites preserve money and power?
In societies in which they are not attacked.
How can they not be attacked?
To be seen as good people, that are there for the people, rich people love owning press agencies, why?
As it is the best instrument to control the conversation.
Many people are not having good lives, hard work, slave like existence, who do they blame?
Those with money and power don't want to be blamed, so they need scapegoats. Scapegoats can only function for a limited time. Then people find out, they are not that bad.
So what we see in society is a constant play of divisive play of scapegoating. Black vs White. In my life I have been hero, scapegoat, hero, scapegoat, this is lightly
based on reality. But everyone can be scapegoated.
There will always be people that call out the elites, what is important is that the scapegoating operation is more powerful that the call out of the elite.
When we fear muslims, we don't mind how owns all our papers. When we fear Russia, we don't mind the elite has direct access to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Meta and know our full lifes (just for our safety ofcourse, to filter out terrorists)
We need an international enemy (russia now), an enemy within our borders (Muslims), a coming enemy (China)
The elite need to look powerless.
3 days after the Israel-Gaza event began, the English elite got this news article published:
Kate Middleton and Prince William Reveal Their Most-Used Emojis — and William's Isn't Family-Friendly!
https://people.com/kate-middleton-princ ... is-8350258
Look people, we are just like you, the monarchies are powerless. We have nothing to do with Israel or Gaza, we are just people that cut ribbons. I had to laugh so hard when I saw this. This is a brilliant form of propaganda, over the top, but nice.
I think our international elite is very stable at this moment. No kings are murdered. No billionaires murdered.
They have a large propaganda apparatus that make them seen as good people. The powerless, emoji lovings monarchs.
The billionaires who just want to do good for the world.
Internationalism is an agreement between elites to not go after each other.
Chosen scapegoats are Iran & North Korea whose elites both benefit from this arrangement.
If there would a real conflict between "countries" they would immediately decapitate the leadership. And install a puppet government.
So it is never "country" against "country", a real war is elite vs elite. Where both sides are able to convince large masses to fight for them.
But as long as elites; either monarchs, billionaires or powerful politicians (not those "elected" bureaucrats that clap for Zelensky) are walking the streets and giving speeches and are shaking hands. We are not in war.
When the borders are open, we are not in war.
The elites and the families are very safe now.
That means we are in showtime. And the large majority is show.
I think there is probably a committee of the powerful, deciding on the propaganda wars to shape.
I more or less think all the global elites are in on this.
If you are not in, you are dead.
Gaddafi said things like:
Then he was dead."The Western elite is not democratic. It's a plutocracy, a dictatorship of the rich. The politicians are nothing more than puppets on the hands of the rich."
Milosevic said:
And then he was dead."The Western elite is a group of hypocrites who preach democracy and human rights but practice imperialism and neo-colonialism. They are responsible for the deaths of millions of people and the destruction of countless countries. They are the enemy of the world's people."
Once in while somebody stands up and they basically pop him.
The people of that country get seduced by free roads, free trade, sexual perversion, a well funded new elite.
Corona opened my eyes, seeing Iran, China, Russia, Dubai, UK, US, Europe all do the same stuff.
So concluding unless we see the billionaires, monarchs or other elites killed, we are in Hollywood territory.
But Gaddafi and Milosevic were quite right in their assessment, no wonder they are dead.
The real battle is people vs elite. But the elites built a very very strong house, which is very well funded and well controlled.
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(I am a new forum member.)
It was previously mentioned that fake wars may have a positive function, such as riding society of people who kill other people, and forcing mass change (like, improved airline security). While it is tempting to think optimistically like this, I always remind myself that the fakery has real impact on real people:
* The negative media attention give to Muslims caused racial stereotyping to be normalised -- two friends told me about the insults being hurled at them on public transport.
* Immediately after 9/11 the USA stock market/casino was shutdown.
I really do wonder who first discovered this fake war game, how they convinced everyone (or enough) to participate, and how long it has being played for? This forum points to evidence dating back at far as WW1.
It was previously mentioned that fake wars may have a positive function, such as riding society of people who kill other people, and forcing mass change (like, improved airline security). While it is tempting to think optimistically like this, I always remind myself that the fakery has real impact on real people:
* The negative media attention give to Muslims caused racial stereotyping to be normalised -- two friends told me about the insults being hurled at them on public transport.
* Immediately after 9/11 the USA stock market/casino was shutdown.
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I think war fakery is as old as man and as you say propaganda and lies have real life consequences.
- the lie of corona lead to real life people locked in their houses.
- the fake atrocity propaganda in WW1 lead to English, French and German boys to die in trenches (every little French church has a monument memorizing the kids that died in the war from the village, which makes me believe these deaths are real)
1984 (written in 1948) goes deeply in the concept of the fake war which is most famous for it. It's crazy how real it is.
In George Orwell's novel "1984," the concept of a perpetual war is a central element of the ruling party's strategy to maintain control over the population. The enemy in this war, and the allegiances, shift depending on the needs of the party. The main purpose of the perpetual war is to keep the citizens in a constant state of fear, to divert their attention away from internal problems, and to justify the party's authoritarian policies.
When the story begins, Oceania appears to be allied with Eastasia in a war against Eurasia. Posters depict the Eurasian soldier as an enemy.
During one of Winston Smith's news reports at work, the alliance switches and they are suddenly at war with Eastasia, not Eurasia. All previous records are altered. The people of Oceania are expected to immediately accept and believe this version, as if the war with Eurasia had never happened. Questions are not tolerated. Later, the enemy switches back to being Eurasia. All mention of ever being at war with Eastasia disappears down the "memory hole."
How similar is that to Corona? We all need to act as if nothing happened! We were never locked up, no court cases, no investigation what was going on.
But it goes back to the Sirens in the Odyssee.
We could see this as the false hymns of leaders to lure young men to their deaths.Odysseus and his crew navigate the treacherous waters where the Sirens sing enchanting songs that lure sailors to their deaths. Odysseus has his men plug their ears with beeswax, while he himself, curious about the Sirens' song, is tied to the mast of his ship. This deception allows them to pass safely without succumbing to the Sirens' allure.
Or the Trojan horse.
But "War of the Worlds" by H.G. Wells (1898) is crucial I think to understand the concept I think. In this classic science fiction novel, Martians invade Earth, creating a fabricated conflict with humanity.Odysseus devises a plan to build a giant wooden horse and leave it outside the gates of Troy. The Trojans think that the horse is a gift from the gods, and they bring it inside the city walls. However, the horse is actually filled with Achaean soldiers. At night, the soldiers sneak out of the horse and open the city gates, allowing the Achaean army to enter and defeat the Trojans.
Or "The Iron Heel" by Jack London (1908): This dystopian novel envisions a future where a powerful oligarchy, known as the Iron Heel, uses war as a means to control and manipulate the population.
Ort "We" by Charles A. Lindbergh (1924): This novel features a dystopian society where the government manipulates the population by promoting an unending war. The populace is kept in a state of perpetual conflict and fear to maintain control.
Or Gulliver's Travels (1726) by Jonathan Swift - In Book 4, Gulliver visits the land of Houyhnhnms where the horses rule over humans. The horses believe the humans are engaged in constant warfare as an excuse to oppress and tax them, though no real wars exist.
Just saying the concept is very old.
War is and has always been the art of deception. With mass media the rulers brought deception to a whole new level.
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So the entire world is apparently infested with baby-beheading terrorists and their sympathizers. We'd better declare a global state of emergency of indefinite duration and put an end to all civil liberties. That will fix the problem.
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Re: US travel warnings.
Yeah, Perth is so dangerous right now...
Interesting what the story teller Mr Harari is saying about the current Middle East crisis. OK, he brings up the holocaust and the threat of nuclear war of course, standard stuff. He says that Israel was just about to make a peace treaty with Saudi Arabia, which the baddies were afraid of, (they hate peace), and this was the impetus for their incursion.
He describes Netenyahu as a populist and clearly aligns him with Trump et al. and is saying that these guys have damaged the 'liberal world order'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVhGKMmqikY
Edited from youtube transcript
Yeah, Perth is so dangerous right now...
Interesting what the story teller Mr Harari is saying about the current Middle East crisis. OK, he brings up the holocaust and the threat of nuclear war of course, standard stuff. He says that Israel was just about to make a peace treaty with Saudi Arabia, which the baddies were afraid of, (they hate peace), and this was the impetus for their incursion.
He describes Netenyahu as a populist and clearly aligns him with Trump et al. and is saying that these guys have damaged the 'liberal world order'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVhGKMmqikY
Edited from youtube transcript
Mr Harari is good at crystalising the lessons that we are supposed to draw from these major events.Netanyahu pursued populist policies (21:14) ... he wanted all power to himself so he attacked State institutions like the courts like ... the military services who might oppose him ...who might limit his power. ... netan and his followers attacked the serving Elites of the state you know the people who are foremost in giving service to the country they were attacked as being (21:44) a deep State traitors and all kinds of conspiracy theories about them and this really weakened the state and the institutions of the country. ...
Israelis are now paying the price for these many years of wrong policy and not just with regard to the Palestinians also wrong policies with regard to the country itself and if I look more broadly at the world I would say that Israelis and Palestinians are paying the price for wrong policies all over the world for the last 10 years of um attacking and destroying ... the global liberal order
22:28
...not just countries like Russia or North Korea but even you know US president Donald Trump has attacked the global order and when you destroy order what you get .... is anarchy is chaos and we saw it with the Russian invasion of Ukraine now with the Hamas attack on Israel and the war here.
22:53
.... unless we somehow rebuild a functioning global order based on International cooperation and international law I'm afraid that violence like this will spread to more and more parts of the world
...I think that this is a moment of extreme danger...to people ...in the entire world ... we need to understand....the liberal ideal is that all (23:45) humans are at bottom we are all the same we are all the same animals we share the same biological experiences we feel pain we love our children ... we have common interests and values that we should protect... the basic idea of the global liberal order now it was attacked by many people around the world including by Netanyahu
(24:17) himself who allied with people you know like vikor Orban, Donald Trump, jaros bolsonaro who also attacked the global liberal order and they didn't offer anything to replace it. Okay you don't like liberal values ...let's talk about it what is your alternative suggestion
.... if countries cannot cooperate on the basis of liberal values on the basis of What alternative set of universal values do you suggest... they didn't offer anything to replace it and this is why now the order is collapsing
if we don't return to some kind of (25:28) functioning Global Order then we will descend into a a a terrible Global state of Anarchy and War.
....
29:44
so we are now in a different era in history we saw this with the pandemic with covid 19 that again instead of uniting against our common foe the virus... there was not enough International cooperation and I was really amazed or dismayed that even after the pandemic no conclusions were drawn I expected many people expected that after this terrible pandemic people would realize that a pandemic is a danger for the whole of humanity so we would build a global system of warning and contain... for pandemics we did not do this so you had the pandemic then you had the Russian invasion of Ukraine now this the situation is getting worse ....
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It´s mug time again!
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=094-thQUaE8
Yes, the 2023 CF mug is here -- the companion star of the 2nd and greatly expanded edition of the TYCHOS book (I know, there are some issues with the colors, especially the text, but I should be able to fix that in time for the book signing ;-)
[Edit: the color issue has been fixed, and the video updated]
Dress like a true TYCHOS man!

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=094-thQUaE8
Yes, the 2023 CF mug is here -- the companion star of the 2nd and greatly expanded edition of the TYCHOS book (I know, there are some issues with the colors, especially the text, but I should be able to fix that in time for the book signing ;-)
[Edit: the color issue has been fixed, and the video updated]
Dress like a true TYCHOS man!

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Well, THAT sure is my cup of tea, my dear Flabbergasted!
... and that T-shirt simply ROCKS!!!
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I saw this trailer coming by recently, a new hyped movie. Has some nice fearmongering and 'predictive programming' about massive cyberattacks (as was also disccused by Klaus Schwab and other WEF affiliates). Also, don't miss out on the opening shot, in the first 2 seconds.
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMVBi_e8o-Y
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMVBi_e8o-Y