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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby sharpstuff on Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:28 pm

The Internets

Dear Esteemed members,

Having spent an incredible amount of time trying to do pretty ordinary things on the 'Internets', I finally got enraged as to how far it has devolved into a mad-house of irresponsible pretty much, nothingness, where whatever you try to do is infected by the ignorati who believe they own us.

Indeed they do, if we let them.

For example, it seems that every site I now might visit for some perfectly innocuous reason is inundated by 'cookies'. I have to accept them (without a means to say 'no'). Now I am not an 'American' and 'cookies' are to me, some sort of non-food so far as I am concerned and that is some sort of 'biscuit' as we might have in other locations. I rarely eat them but can certainly live without them, especially when I have no choice but to accept them.

Anyway, I put something (not so pleasant) into the dreaded Google engine and came up with this long article. In no way can I paraphrase it, you will have to read it as much as you want.

It does appear to address a great many of the issues on this forum, (one way or another) and does mention the likes of the entity Sugar Mountain (Zuckerberg) but that may only be the apologists for his creation who want to remain anonymous and 'spill some beans' so to speak.

'nough said and yours for the reading...evaluations (on the article) welcome...


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/an-apology-for-the-internet-from-the-people-who-built-it.html

Be well.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby HonestlyNow on Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:04 pm

sharpstuff wrote:[ linked article ]

I did not want to spend my time going through that article.

I only want to say that the Internet is the best thing that happened in my life. I've learned so much from my searching and reading, listening, watching, that I can't fathom how I would have obtained all that I've gleaned otherwise, in the time period in which I've gleaned it. It's a tool that, like any other tool, can be used for good or for ill. I stay away from the social media aspects. Yes, I'm addicted—I'm addicted to learning. Perhaps, that is precisely what the powers that be do not like. The cat is out of the bag on more issues than they care to admit; they lost their sense of control. Too bad for them.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby simonshack on Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:39 pm

HonestlyNow wrote:The cat is out of the bag on more issues than they care to admit; they lost their sense of control. Too bad for them.


I wholeheartedly agree.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:16 pm

simonshack » November 1st, 2018, 1:39 pm wrote:
HonestlyNow wrote:The cat is out of the bag on more issues than they care to admit; they lost their sense of control. Too bad for them.


I wholeheartedly agree.


I’m with you both on this one. It’s clear enough to me that “they” (whoever they may be) have opted for the “drown out” approach as a “soft” form of censorship. This has been unleashed on people to a depth and breadth that is frankly too overwhelming for most to overcome.

But we shall press on. . . for what alternative is there?
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby fbenario on Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:20 am

HonestlyNow » November 1st, 2018, 10:04 am wrote:the Internet is the best thing that happened in my life. I've learned so much from my searching and reading, listening, watching, that I can't fathom how I would have obtained all that I've gleaned otherwise

You took the words out of my mouth. I agree on all points.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:26 pm

Dear Cluesforum Members,

I wanted to give an update on my ongoing efforts to reorganize the “Holocaust” topic. It may not seem like much of a difference from my last updated, but rest assured there is a LOT I’ve been picking through to assemble this.

Of course I will continue to provide updates. Thank you all for your patience.

The most recent update may be viewed here.

Also, if you notice a number of posts missing from (primarily) the “Derailing Room,” the “Chatbox,” and the “Introduce Yourself” threads, please don’t be alarmed. I’m assembling some of them in an orderly manner which I will reveal upon completion.

Rest assured they are all intact.

Sincerely,

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:01 am

Dear Cluesforum,

My sincere apologies for any technical issues that may have been experienced by our members today.
I have since corrected it, and I have made the appropriate update to the registration requirements as seen here.

The change was made in consultation with PianoRacer due to forum security concerns

I appreciate your patience with me, as it has been quite the learning experience. If you have any unexpected issues related to the forum, please email me: clueman78@cluesforum.info.

My Warmest Regards,

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby aa5 on Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:54 pm

Simon for the Tychos I think I might know why few people are interested in it. I attempted to look into the threads on it, but it is overwhelming all the like maps of the solar systems and paths of the planets, the parallax with stars and so on. I am sure if I had the book and just took a lot of time I could understand better what is happening.

But I think the plan should be to suck people in to reading it, the way people learn at school. Like starting ultra-simple and just building a bit by bit as the reader goes through it.

Personally I believe your model must be closer to the truth, for two reasons. 1st is that the Earth doesn't seem to be moving much, like there is no blast force winds. And those physics experiments like the famous Michelson-Moreley experiment did appear to show a motionless Earth.

2nd is my own philosophy of the distance of other solar systems from our solar system. The distances are so extreme to try to explain the parallax, that I don't believe them. Its like if someone said the Moon was a billion miles from Earth, instead of 384,000 km I would not believe them. The Moon just appears relatively close to the Earth.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:44 pm

Allow me to warmly welcome our newest member TErikson to Cluesforum. Thank you for joining.
I am delighted to have changed your account to full membership status. :)

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After a few exchanges, I promptly activated his account, and shortly thereafter he made his first post here.

I am proud to say that our new vetting system is off to a tremendous start. Thank you to my fellow Admins as well.

Sincerely,

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby simonshack on Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:12 am

Observer wrote:PS - since we're discussing lack of trust, and actions speaking louder than words, I'm going to get this off my chest right now: I wish we would all man up and send Simon some contributions for hosting fees, so that Simon can host his 19 videos HERE at CluesForum.info/SeptemberClues.info, because the owner of that flat-earth site "Ab" was once caught forgetting to press his voice-changer button for a few seconds, which revealed his un-morphed voice, before he realized and turned his usual "Ab" voice-altering-software back on. Does anyone here have the link to Ab's un-explained highly-suspicious voice-change and Ab's casual "brushing the momentary voice change off like it was no big deal" reply?

Dear Observer,
I must have missed that "voice-altering" thing by Ab - or more likely, you are erroneously referring to a similar episode involving our "old friend" Evil Edna / aka Psyopticon (not Ab). As far as I can remember, it was this viscid Evil Edna character who "was caught toggling his voice-morpher software" and this stirred up a heated controversy over at Fakeologist (and one that I didn't think much of, quite frankly).

As for Kham witnessing a shooting (I don't put this beyond the realm of possibility) it certainly is a bit odd that she has never shared such a dramatic firsthand experience with me. I'll be looking forward to read any available media reports about this shooting event.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:32 am

Dear Cluesforum Members,

I moved the vast majority of this recent back and forth over Kham’s post in the California Bar “Shooting” thread over to the Derailing Room.

I’m going to insist that our members let the Administrators and Moderators do the Moderating from now on. [Also please see my “Note” below].

We are well aware of the posts that have been discussed, and I see no benefit in allowing this to be pushed any further. Life is too short. And neither Simon or I are going to be pressured into doing anything we are uncomfortable with. Period.

I am not going to allow a public inquisition of a well respected and valuable member such as Kham.

I am not opening this up for a poll or a debate.

I do not wish to come across as harsh towards anyone here. But I find it necessary to impose (at least temporarily) a “cease-fire” before things escalate any further.

[Note: Re “moderating,” as mentioned above- this includes the vetting of new members as well. That is partly why we created the new registration process. New members (and indeed potential ones) need to feel free to post without undue scrutiny after getting Admin approval. And if/when moderating is needed, well, that’s what the Admins and Mods are here for.]

Thank you all for your understanding and cooperation.

Sincerely,
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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Postby simonshack on Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:41 pm

PianoRacer wrote:As Simon recently noted, you are on track to convince absolutely nobody with your convoluted diagrams and incomplete 2d and 3d models.


Huh? Where on Earth did I "note" that? Oh, perhaps you are referring to my comment/lament that very few people - so far - seem to be interested in the TYCHOS model. Well, I'm extremely confident that this is just a matter of time. Let this be said.

Matter of Time: https://thesocialservice1.bandcamp.com/ ... er-of-time

PianoRacer wrote:I'm pretty sure that the membership at Wild Heretic, flawed as it may be, far outnumbers anybody who has been convinced by your TYCHOS model, which you have utterly failed to represent in any kind of cohesive way.


Utterly? Really? So what about your previous, very positive comments and contributions to the TYCHOS model?
And, quite frankly, I cannot care less about what the membership at Wild Heretic thinks of the TYCHOS model!

PianoRacer wrote:Hey, remember when I showed you that your model failed to show retrograde motion for Venus that is easily observable? When will that be accounted for and/or corrected? I shan't be holding my breath, that's for sure!


No, I don't remember that. But thanks for reminding me to explain the retrograde motions to our readership. Here's a post I made today - showing how the TYCHOS perfectly accounts for the observed retrograde motions of Venus and Mercury: viewtopic.php?p=2407777#p2407777

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And just to address your Concave Earth theory: fine, if it ultimately turns out that we live in a concave cosmos / universe, this will not by any means invalidate the TYCHOS research - which provides the most accurate match between geometric / optical realities and empirical observation. I don't think that you could say that I'm a close-minded person, so I'd be quite happy to participate (intellectually) in any future "Tamarack experiment verifications". Let's do it. Any billionaires out there wishing to fund it? Please get in touch!

And lastly, if you're inclined to believe that the stars, moons and planets are nothing but "holographic projections"(or anything of that sort), again - the TYCHOS provides you with the most accurate account of their secular motions - as observed over many centuries by countless astromomers. How can this be deemed as "utterly useless"? The TYCHOS provides the most cohesive explanation for ALL observations performed ever since ancient times. Try to beat that - if you can. Good luck!
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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:48 pm

simonshack » November 15th, 2018, 7:41 am wrote: I don't think that you could say that I'm a close-minded person, so I'd be quite happy to participate (intellectually) in any future "Tamarack experiment verifications". Let's do it. Any billionaires out there wishing to fund it? Please get in touch! [Bold inserted by SCS for emphasis.]


My thoughts exactly! I don’t know any that I would want to ask. But damn that would be FUN! One can dream I suppose. . . ;)
Out of sheer curiosity, I wonder how much an experiment like that would actually cost. I truly have no idea.

And lastly, if you're inclined to believe that the stars, moons and planets are nothing but "holographic projections"(or anything of that sort), again - the TYCHOS provides you with the most accurate account of their secular motions - as observed over many centuries by countless astromomers. How can this be deemed as "utterly useless"? The TYCHOS provides the most cohesive explanation for ALL observations performed ever since ancient times. Try to beat that - if you can. Good luck!


TYCHOS has made sense of things that previously had me frankly beyond stumped. It is truly remarkable work. One that may not be fully appreciated in our lifetimes. But, there’s nothing to stop us from trying while we still have life in us.

Keep up (within reason of course- and take care of yourself too) the phenomenal work my dear friend. I find the diagrams and short explanations to be incredibly helpful, especially compared with traditional NASA-style (if only you were smart like us) mathmagical (to borrow a word from. . . um, either you or Hoi) “explanations” for nonsense.

I still have a ways to go. But, I’m content to go at a “normal” pace that makes sense in the context of my (sometimes) hectic life. Your posts on the topic are timed such that I am able to process the information in without being overloaded. So that works great for me.

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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:36 pm

Observer » November 15th, 2018, 1:45 am]

. . .

Simon's site is the only place, where people realize, the proven Vicsim reality.

. . .

So again as I said in my most recent post let's just get back to hoax-destroying.
. . .

I prefer the focus on undeniable VISUAL proof of hoaxes (CGI, bad-acting, etc.)
I look forward to future posts concentrating on visuals, much more than words.
. . .


Fantastic! I couldn’t possibly agree more.

:)
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Resolution

Postby Observer on Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:04 pm

Hi Simon and all readers,

OK, it turns out Kham and her daughter were indeed at the Galaxy Nightclub at 1:30am on July 24th 2011.
And yes, it turns out Kham did indeed speak about this on the CluesChronicle #23 on October 17th 2017.
And on that CluesForum podcast - Kham mentioned she even "revealed on a previous audio" before too.

I believe her when she explains to Hoi in the podcast, she saw "both the female -- they died, at the scene."

The only problem is Kham must have honestly witnessed & honestly reported, a long-con CF-dividing hoax.
Notice I said honestly witnessed & honestly reported, I want to make that clear: Kham was fooled by actors.
This hoax showed Kham 2 women died at the scene, but the story they ended up going with is 0 died at Galaxy.

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(July 24 2011) Today in Seattle 15 people shot: 8 at Car Show (image above), 7 at Galaxy Nightclub ~ DailyMail

(July 24th 2011) America's deadly weekend: String of family shooting sprees

At least 14 people have been killed and 53 others wounded this weekend after a string of deadly shootings over just three days in the U.S.

The worrying spike in gun violence started on Friday night just hours after a crazed gunman went on the rampage in Norway, killing at least 93 people.

In the latest shooting, a man walked into a Seattle casino in the early hours of this morning and opened fire on his estranged wife and her two sisters as she danced with her new boyfriend.

Police said the 42-year-old suspect’s wife and two other were listed in a critical condition after seven people were injured in the shooting at the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn.

Commander Mike Hirman, of Auburn police, said: "We know they were estranged and we know he went up there and fired rounds into his wife and into his wife's companion."


(July 24 2011) Two mass shootings within a few hours in Seattle: Car Show, Galaxy Nightclub ~ Associated Press / OL

(July 24 2011) Suspect accused of shooting 7 in Muckleshoot Casino Galaxy Nightclub is booked ~ The Seattle Times

(July 24 2011) Suspect accused of shooting his ex-wife, her boyfriend, and two of her sisters ~ The Seattle Times

(July 24 2011) Man accused of shooting 7 people at crowded nightclub in south Seattle ~ Associated Press / Fox

(July 24 2011) Man accused of shooting ex-wife, her boyfriend, 2 sisters, and 3 bystanders ~ Auburn Reporter

(July 24 2011) Chaparro allegedly opened fire with a .40 cal. Glock (15 bullets in a clip) pistol ~ Seattle PI

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"An ambulance outside the Casino following the shooting" ~ DailyMail

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"Man charged for injuring 7 at Muckleshoot Casino" ~ NBC King5


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t70wcHM2j_s


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0cliduv2TU

The media reports say NOBODY died at the 1:30am July 24th 2011 shooting at Galaxy Nightclub in Seattle.
Just as I theorized, they showed Kham "two dead bodies", while their easter-egg here is "0 dead bodies."

Kham was shown two female actors who "died at the scene" so they must have even shown bodybags zipped.
Their goal was to wait for Kham to eventually reveal what she honestly saw, then we would think Kham lied.
They wanted us to say, "Look, those media reports say nobody died but Kham said 2 died: so Kham lied to us."

I truly believe Kham honestly witnessed 2 dead-looking women zipped up and wheeled away by the coroner.
And so I seriously am stating my opinion that the media reports saying different are meant to discredit Kham.
Perhaps they even went so far as to show just Kham's IP address media reports back in 2011 saying "two died."
Kham was shown 2 females who "died at the scene" and was shown articles which said "2 died, at the scene."

It took a little over 7 years (2669 days) for their planned "division over Kham's honest report" to start to occur.
Folks, don't fall into their trap, the fact that these news articles say "nobody died" does NOT mean Kham lied.
It simply means Kham was shown 2 women shot dead, and they showed Kham's IP address "2 died" reports.

They want us to say, "Kham lied, or is stupid, burn the witch, ban her, and if you don't, Simon must be bad too."

C'mon folks it's quite possible this whole "news doesn't match Kham's report" is a long-con hoax to divide us.
And it's also quite possible that Kham simply saw a real shooting and mistakenly assumed the 2 women died.
All of us have made honest mistakes (for example Simon's "I saw the ocean having a convex bulge" mistake.)
I make honest mistakes (for example, my "Ab got caught hoaxing his voice" mistake, when it was his Co-host.)

So, bottom line, even though Kham said "2 died", even though the media says "0 died", I still trust Kham more.
Kham seems to me to be an honest lady who simply happened to witness a real shooting or was shown a hoax.

Either way, as Simon rightly said, nothing can take away from, much less nullify, Kham's contributions here.
I hereby rescind my previous rude demands for Kham to answer the 15 questions - answering them is moot.

The hoaxers were hoping to make us doubt Kham by showing her "two dead" and having media tell us "0 dead."
The hoaxers were also hoping to gaslight Kham into doubting herself, "But, but, I SAW the 2 dead at the scene."

The hoaxers were waiting for a CF reader like myself to fall into their false-dichotomy "2 died or Kham lied" trap.
But we can survive and thrive by laughing at the hoaxers' idiocy, and proclaiming: "0 died, AND Kham never lied!"


So - keeping all of that in mind - here is the 5:34 extract, from the Clues podcast - which UNreal sent me by PM:

http://fakeologist.com/wp-content/uploa ... xtract.mp3
http://septclues.com/theclueschronicle/ ... he-vacuum/

Remember folks, we ALL say um and pause when thinking. I did my best to transcribe it as faithfully as possible:

Hoi: Huh! I'm finally in one of these famous shootings I've heard so much about.

Kham: HeHeHeHe

Hoi: I'm so excited! I, let me g-, let me sh-, let me talk to my audience and, g-et this up on the blog as fast as possible. D-Does that [the previously discussed false-witnesses' claimed thoughts/emotions] really go through most people's heads?

Kham: (pause) No! And y'know I revealed on a, p-revious audio, that I had BEEN in a (pause) casino shooting, at the nightclub (pause) it's um the MUCKLESHOOT Casino, it was at their GALAXY nightclub, and

Hoi: A- Wh- What was the motivation of THAT shooter? So you were in a, REAL, shooting.

Kham: (pause) mm-hm (inhale) Um, it's personal. He, the poor man, he was distraught. Um hid wi- his wife has lest, his, his wife had left him, the previous year, and then he recently got laid off.

Hoi: So, what was his, so what was his, what was he gonna' do, just go shoot random people, out of anger?

Kham: No he was going to kill his wife an- uh, the troublemaker who, probably got her to divorce him, the sister.

Hoi: R-ight, so that sounds like a more realistic, scenario. It's not just someone, losing their cool and going on a random murderer spree. It was actually someone having a personal vendetta, like most shootings are.

Kham: Yeah he emptied his um, chamber in both the female (pause) they died, at the scene (mouth tick sound)

Hoi: Right, yeah. But it, but nevertheless, even though, it could have been personal, when the, when a gun was brandished, or, what, like, you're definitely not thinking, "Oh I'll be OK if I just stand here, he's got, y'know, he's got nothing against me" you definitely felt, like "Oh, I wanna' avoid this, I wanna', hide, I wanna, care for my own life."

Kham: (pause) Well at the time, you don't know what the heck-ers is goin' on, you don't know how many shooters there are, you don't know what direction they're in, so, for me, as soon as he, started shooting, the entire casino it was like someone threw a bucket of water, that's how fast they just man slid right out the door the nearest exit, they ran out so fast (mouth tick sound) and

Hoi: And did anyone hangout and like, get their camera out, and start, shooting like the door and going "I just came out of a shooting" and "Look you can, you can still hear what's going on, I don't know what's happening" like did any of that happen? Or did people like just vamoose?

Kham: They were gone so fast, that, um (pause) we were near the stage, so (pause) some guy, instead of runnin' out, some guy thought it'd be better if he'd pushed us to the ground s- (smirk laugh) y'know, instead of get out, but so we were on the floor, but seriously we, he pushed us to the ground, we were on the floor, we got up, and everyone was gone. I mean completely everyone ahead of us, or maybe twenty of us left back, everyone was completely gone.

Hoi: That sounds to me more realistic.

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Observer wrote:Actually, I think Kham is honest and maybe she was fooled.
I think perhaps Kham honestly witnessed a hoaxed shooting.
Wouldn't that be a clever operation: fool Kham, divide CF.
"We need to do our monthly shooting, where shall we do it?"
"Oh, I know, let's do it where Simon's friend Kham will be."
"Great idea! She'll honestly report it, and then CluesForum
members will wrongly assume she's lying about what she saw."
"Yep, Simon will protect his good friend, Kham will rightly
be reluctant to give details since CF never trusts shootings,
strict CF members will demand details, arguments will ensue,
and then everyone will accuse everyone else of being shills!
We can limit the media coverage to zero or we can even make
some fake CCTV and bad-actor interviews, so that eventually,
when CF finds the easter eggs we plant, Kham will look like
she was lying, when actually she was just honestly reporting
the shooting we put in the bar (blanks & blood-pack actors).
As long as we scare Kham, she'll honestly believe folks died.
So we just sit back and wait for Kham to share her experience,
and watch all the CluesForum members fight about the validity."

So that's a possibility. And the other possibility is simpler,
Kham just happened to witness a real non-staged rare shooting.


Observer wrote:I risked my relationship with Simon (!) in pursuit of real honesty.

Kham I hope you can respect the fact I treat you with equality,
& I respect all the altruistic help you are giving Simon and Hoi.
You hope folks know your pure intent as I hope folks know mine.
I still maintain my fantasy: of all CF members partying in Rome. :wub:


And THAT, is truly, finally, all I have to say about that. The End. :)

The End, or really the beginning of us uniting, surviving, thriving! :)

Now can folks please post some VISUAL hoax-busting like we love? :)
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