Cluesforum—Exposing Mass Deception

Dear brianv.

very interesting article you linked, let me quote from it for the benefit of all:
(So, the no-fly-zone decision of UN was made.)

A French official said French fighter jets had destroyed "a number of tanks and armoured vehicles" in the first exchanges with Gaddafi's forces.

Those fucking tanks and armoured APCs carrying the 18 years old young Libyan squaddies-who just do not count to be freedom-loving people of Libya-must have been taken out. Before in defiance to the no-fly-zone those fucking tanks and APCs started to take off and flying or whatever...

Hillary Clinton, said..."We have every reason to fear that, left unchecked, Gaddafi will commit unspeakable atrocities"

So far this seems like a thoughtcrime. Gaddhafi did not commit atrocities, but he may think on it, so he is guilty and must hang, that is just logical, innit? And if he got bored with his virgin bodyguards and wanked off on Playboy pictures, he must be taken out before he has a chance to jump a Playboy bunny and commit unspeakable atrocities with her young body. Sure.

Libya has blamed rebels it describes as "armed gangs linked to Mistaravim" for breaching it.

Well, that was only a little joke by me , actually in the article it was Al-Qaeda. But if you follow my meaning, the Libyan Military Intel is aware and talks about the same thing I have figured.

Dear nonhocapito,

The missing of rocket impact striked me as odd, too, and reminded me of the Naudet 2nd plane hit cuts, and one of the amateur 2nd plane videos cut with continuous audio. But if you want to see Strela-2 impact, check out the link of the Polish soldier firing it, it is the real thing with smoke backlash and air impact and all...

Italian politician (Di Pietro) candidly declares, responding to the other politician (Bossi) who said that for having gone against Gaddafi Italy will lose oil and contracts:

"Bossi's mistake is to think that by staying on Gaddafi's side, tomorrow there's still going to be oil and gas coming [to Italy]. The Coalition has started by now. We have to think about the post-Gaddafi. The 'tomorrow' and the provision of resources from Libya will be at disposal of those who helped with the transition, not those who went against it."

Ah, the vultures that will ask for my vote tomorrow.

p.s. as I noted earlier: the attack on Libya has hence started on the 19th of March, just like the invasion of Iraq. Obviously not a coincidence. But why the same date? Sick celebration? Message to Gaddafi? Message to the arab world? Some sort of symbolism?

Dear nonhocapito,

you say:

p.s. as I noted earlier: the attack on Libya has hence started on the 19th of March, just like the invasion of Iraq. Obviously not a coincidence. But why the same date? Sick celebration? Message to Gaddafi? Message to the arab world? Some sort of symbolism?

Date co-incidence? Hardly. I can answer to you in one single word, but will not elaborate because it won't be PC, everybody should google what it means for themselves. So, the answer to your question is:

PURIM.

nonhocapito wrote:
p.s. as I noted earlier: the attack on Libya has hence started on the 19th of March, just like the invasion of Iraq. Obviously not a coincidence. But why the same date? Sick celebration? Message to Gaddafi? Message to the arab world? Some sort of symbolism?

Perhaps it is this. History repeats itself first as tragedy, then as farce. We are, of course, witnessing the farce.

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Air strikes on Libya, 110 cruise missiles
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/w ... 6024824420

Ugh... I really do hope this is a farce.

Dear gwyned and All,

you say:

nonhocapito wrote:
p.s. as I noted earlier: the attack on Libya has hence started on the 19th of March, just like the invasion of Iraq. Obviously not a coincidence. But why the same date? Sick celebration? Message to Gaddafi? Message to the arab world? Some sort of symbolism?

Perhaps it is this. History repeats itself first as tragedy, then as farce. We are, of course, witnessing the farce.

No way out, I have to elaborate.

Purim, which was the starting date of the Iraq war, and is now the starting date of the Lybian war, is celebrated every year because Esther and Mordechai convinced King Ahasverus of Persia to hang Haman, and let the jews loose on the locals with weapons. Throughout the (Persian, sic) empire 75,000 of the Jews' enemies are killed (Esther 9:16). So, all in all, on Purim day the jews are celebrating the mass murder of non-jews, and celebrating cleansing themselves from their own sins with the blood of their enemies.

(And let me tell you, when I realised the significance of the date this evening after nonho's question, my soul was so chilled that the hair was standing up all over my body!)

Well?

Update:
The first Hungarian Sovietrepublic with dictator Kun (Cohen) Béla started up on 21st March 1919...

warriorhun wrote:Purim.

Dear Wh, you really have pretty good insights on hebrew/Israeli/Zionist ideology and Modus Operandi, I must say. Well unless this knowledge comes to you from Mossad training, in which case it is pretty standard knowledge (sorry stupid joke)

I did the google search you suggested and of course you're right, it makes a lot of sense, although if I understand it correctly Purim in 2003 started on the 18th and this year on the 19th (will last through the 20th). In both cases the 19th was during Purim anyway.

Certainly it is fitting since Purim is the celebration of vengeance and bloodshed. The moment of the year when, like in a carnevale on steroids, God looks the other way and the people of Israel are authorized to take human lives for revenge, sacrifice or lust...

Here is what Michael Hoffmann has to say about it, in a very interesting article dedicated to the coincidence of the Iraqi war with Purim celebrations back in 2003:

If so, such an announcement would occur during Purim, the Judaic festival of revenge. Purim finds its masonic equivalent in the Ninth Degree of the Scottish Rite, dedicated to revenge for the "murder of Hiram" -- meaning anyone who thwarts Masonry's purposes.(...)

The Kabbalistic secret of Purim is that the Hitlers and Saddams of the world make the advancement of the Judaic "equilibrium" possible; without violent, implacable opposition to and hatred of all Jewish persons, including law-abiding ones of good will, the rabbinic work cannot advance.

The more overt understanding of Purim is bound up with two major themes: paganism and the idea of vengeance.

As befits a Babylonian Holy Day, Orthodox Judaic believers (especially the Hasidic segment), will be dressed tomorrow in grotesque Halloween-like costumes, and those who desire real insight into the pagan nature of Judaism should travel to the Crown Heights and Williamsburg sections of Brooklyn, New York tomorrow, and observe and if possible videotape this Babylonian Bacchanal while it is in full flower.

In terms of revenge, we are reminded of Purim, 1994, when Baruch Goldstein entered the mosque at Hebron and slaughtered 40 Palestinians as they prayed. As a result of this mass murder on Purim of the Palestinian "Amalek," there was great celebration in settler enclaves in occupied Palestine and in places like Brooklyn (this writer has video footage of these celebrations).

If, as it now appears likely, President Bush chooses March 18 or 19, 2003 -- Purim 5763 -- to declare his intent to bomb the Iraqi "Amalek," then perhaps we can be forgiven for seeing in the timing of this ominous decree something more than mere coincidence.

As a matter of fact judging from this Purim calendar, the festival has little to do with a pious religious celebration: "Purim for Adults Only party", "What Happens in Shushan Stays in Shushan", "Purim Confidential", "Purim in the City adults-only party" ...

Super full moon

No (simulated) deadly meltdown in japan raining down from on high, instead we get real cloud bursting Cruise missiles from the sky in Libya. Presumably Fuku (get it?)was used to cloak the latter from too much public scrutiny.

Today is 13th of Adar II 5771 in Jewish Calendar...however... this is a leap year in the Jewish Calendar (because of the moon)and there was a month inserted called Adar I which has a celebration in it called Purim Katan similar in theme to the main Purim. http://www.hebcal.com/holidays/purim-katan.html

This Purim started at sundown on 17th Febraury 2011 til sundown on the 18th. Exactly the same time as the first unrest in cities and '20' are killed.

Funny that. The fakebook revolution. Shalom.

Sickening. This research and the revelations of Religious Jewish-Zionist-Masonic holidays tied to bloodshed excused by their divinity telling them "it's okay to kill others today!" is probably one of the most significant and revealing ties to the Israel and UK Zionism force. Perhaps MOSSAD really is behind the destruction of the United States. Perhaps, too, there is something even more sinister using Zionist fervor to hide behind.

For, after all, there is a great deal of persecution already aimed at them. If you were behind any sort of evil plot, wouldn't you hide behind the public perception of evil in order to further condemn the straw man?

Clearly, the force is very aware of Zionist behavior, whether it itself is Zionist or not. But I am now convinced there is some kind of Zionist culpability that is incapable - for ignorance or immoral reasons - of admitting the wrongdoing. Where are the supposed "good Zionists" (do they exist?) who condemn the wrongs of their Religion? At least with "extreme" Christians and Muslims you get to hear a public outcry from their less extremist sects decrying the violence of those who kill in their name. The media makes it seem as though the Jews are much more hesitant to disassociate from their extreme violent groups.

However, I know that most really religious Jews do not support the state of Israel or its clandestine behavior. I think this force hides behind Zionism, which in turn hides behind Jewishness, which in turn hides behind Anglo military authority. We need names. Names of people. Let us please not forget the PNAC, the dual Israeli-USA citizens who support the horrible bloodbaths, our "leaders" the Clinton, Bush and Obama dynasties. But it seems this is too large a culture to stop - which is why it keeps happening. It seems there's something in the murder of innocents for every rung of the Military-Industrial-Propaganda ladder.

hoi.polloi wrote:Perhaps, too, there is something even more sinister using Zionist fervor to hide behind.
For, after all, there is a great deal of persecution already aimed at them. If you were behind any sort of evil plot, wouldn't you hide behind the public perception of evil in order to further condemn the straw man?

My impression is that the bucket stops with the zionists and Israel. Or, at least, that Israel is really at the center of the picture and not a cover. A lot of disinfo is in place to make us believe that other secret organizations (Bilderberg, Rothschild families, etc) are really the puppet-masters etc. Even if they are, what is their goal? The work being done is ultimately for Israel, or "the Messiah", or some related masonic global goal. Of course everything can be an "excuse" but it still being pursued.
Granted, all the rest is up for grabs, corporations, nations, lobbies, they fight for the gold: But I see a war on the Muslim world, on Muslim countries, a persuasion war on Christian nations: methods and ideas that go back to Israel to the Zionist media, to probably the only expansionist ideology really left on this planet.

Look at this fuku thing. Terrence is right. Now we can say this was also a distraction for the Libya war to happen so quickly. Which means that whatever this big happens, you're never too far from the interest of Israel. And yes when Gaddafi says "Al Quaeda" Gaddafi means "Israel".

As to the speaking against, there are no zionists speaking against it because zionism is a supremacist ideology, it would be pretty funny to have zionists expressing any interest or respect or concern for other peoples, or frowning upon methods that advance their agenda at the expense of others. If you mean jews, there's plenty: Hoffmann, Finkelstein etc. These two will give you pretty good insights on how the masonic-zionist mind works. For the rest it is already very hard to find concern in the common citizen of Israel, let alone the fascist elite that rules it.

As to the persecution against (who, Jews? Zionists?), allow me to laugh. Peoples are persecuted in this world above others: muslim people, third world people, "low" castes. Nobody persecutes jews. That's like the oldest fantasy of the circus. Years of Hollywood brainwashing.

Dear All,

I had a very weird experience this morning.
I found an article on Alternet, titled : US, Britain and France Hit Libya With Air Strikes, article by Imed Lamloum AFP. This is the link: http://www.alternet.org/world/150301/us ... ir_strikes_/
I thought I will make a comment in my usual style, and of course I expressed my guffaws over the funnyest faked AFP pictures, expressed my opinion of the CGI and staged events. Also on the side I mentioned the findings on Purim day and its connection to bombing the Libyan seed of Haman.
Believe it or not, under 5 minutes my comment was deleted and I was blocked from commenting forever.
I asked them in an e-mail WHY, because I do not understand why they deleted my comment and locked me out.
Because I can see from their mission statement that they are staunch defenders of the freedom of speech and being free from the MSM lies:

AlterNet is an award-winning news magazine and online community that creates original journalism and amplifies the best of hundreds of other independent media sources. AlterNet’s aim is to inspire action and advocacy on the environment, human rights and civil liberties, social justice, media, health care issues, and more. Since its inception in 1998, AlterNet.org has grown dramatically to keep pace with the public demand for independent news. We provide free online content to millions of readers, serving as a reliable filter, keeping our vast audience well-informed and engaged, helping them to navigate a culture of information overload and providing an alternative to the commercial media onslaught. Our aim is to stimulate, inform, and instigate.

Fuck 'em, this is straight out of the Protocols.

So, what is your take, why I was banned from Alternet today: was it Purim, or was it the Media fakery issue?

Shalom.

UPDATE:

I am trying to spread the good news on Hungarian forums in Hungarian.
Outrageous. Nobody has a clue what on Earth I am on about.
People informed me I am stupid, I am spreading propaganda, I am paranoid and should see a doctor today!
Boy, do we have a long, hard, tedious road ahead?
Humanity goes straight into Hell in a Yugo Zastava...

warriorhun wrote:Dear All,

I had a very weird experience this morning.
I found an article on Alternet, titled : US, Britain and France Hit Libya With Air Strikes, article by Imed Lamloum AFP. This is the link: http://www.alternet.org/world/150301/us ... ir_strikes_/
I thought I will make a comment in my usual style, and of course I expressed my guffaws over the funnyest faked AFP pictures, expressed my opinion of the CGI and staged events. Also on the side I mentioned the findings on Purim day and its connection to bombing the Libyan seed of Haman.
Believe it or not, under 5 minutes my comment was deleted and I was blocked from commenting forever.
I asked them in an e-mail WHY, because I do not understand why they deleted my comment and locked me out.
Because I can see from their mission statement that they are staunch defenders of the freedom of speech and being free from the MSM lies:

AlterNet is an award-winning news magazine and online community that creates original journalism and amplifies the best of hundreds of other independent media sources. AlterNet’s aim is to inspire action and advocacy on the environment, human rights and civil liberties, social justice, media, health care issues, and more. Since its inception in 1998, AlterNet.org has grown dramatically to keep pace with the public demand for independent news. We provide free online content to millions of readers, serving as a reliable filter, keeping our vast audience well-informed and engaged, helping them to navigate a culture of information overload and providing an alternative to the commercial media onslaught. Our aim is to stimulate, inform, and instigate.

Fuck 'em, this is straight out of the Protocols.

So, what is your take, why I was banned from Alternet today: was it Purim, or was it the Media fakery issue?

Shalom.

-They sent you their Resumé! It certainly does not explain why you were deleted and banned!

No shit sherlock...

Hebron celebrates Purim under heavy guard

Traditional holiday procession leaves Kiryat Arba municipal building to Cave of Patriarchs. Popular costumes include Libyan leader Gaddafi, disobedient soldier from Havat Gilad, homosexual from Tel Aviv

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 94,00.html

warriorhun, nobody likes it when you undercut the entire reason for their organization by doing their job better than them. You're like a professional MD applying to be a fry cook at Denny's - it's just too much for them to work around.

As to the persecution against (who, Jews? Zionists?), allow me to laugh. Peoples are persecuted in this world above others: muslim people, third world people, "low" castes. Nobody persecutes jews. That's like the oldest fantasy of the circus. Years of Hollywood brainwashing.

Allow me to politely disagree with your statement, though I am glad I gave you a laugh. Everything you said makes sense to me except your statement in bold, which I must take to be hyperbolic.

The Internet is filled with web sites that proudly advertise the redneck habit of blaming Zionists (or Jews in general) for all the problems of the world. I meant to use "persecute" in its strongest literal sense - troubled by a persistent annoyance. I don't mean Zionists are oppressed, which is why I tried to avoid that word - only that it is pretty mainstream to avoid all the logical reasoning of our web site and jump immediately into scapegoating Bildebergers, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Zionists or groups. Sorry for any confusion.

As for the rest, I see your logical points.

I have a slightly more "conspiracy theory" mind and so I am not so logical as you. I see how that might not be very useful for others that I share my skepticism all the time. I just wish to express it because this is a place and context for me to do so. I understand if the rest of the users on this site disagree with my agnosticism toward some obvious goal.

I am growing more partial to gwynned's idea that different groups can take advantage of a similar phenomenon of human trickery. I feel the jerks of this world play it by ear and do their best to make us think they intended to deliberately formulate the patterns we see - try to make us feel helpless to power they don't actually have. This might be an argument for the obvious Zionist ties to the last 100 years of war on Earth, or it could be that is a great excuse for Russians, Italians, U.S. Marines, NATO troops, Japanese Self Defense Force, U.K. troops and a whole host of other individuals to kill mercilessly and blamelessly "under orders". The Zionists aren't very talented tricksters if they keep getting footed with the moralistic bill for all the individual decisions people make to murder and rape other people. I feel this "group" thinking may rob us of the important perspective that each person makes their own decisions. My guess is the lead tricksy folks have another 'problem-reaction-solution' for any excitement we have about a single group.

I argue again we need better names, more specific names of the most egregious puppetmasters. However, I'd never deny that generalizations are necessary clues. And you've certainly described why Zionism is a main one.

hoi.polloi wrote:The Internet is filled with web sites that proudly advertise the redneck habit of blaming Zionists (or Jews in general) for all the problems of the world. I meant to use "persecute" in its strongest literal sense - troubled by a persistent annoyance.

I wouldn't use it in such a literal sense associated with "jews" because what happens is that when you do everyone think about the Holocaust and how the jews are "the victims of the world", a concept that is carefully kept alive by the zionists because it serves their purposes so well.

Jews aren't victims anymore than anyone else. If you think about annoyance, then everyone in the world is persecuted
Media are all about the stupidity of Christians, and they seem to be a tad more powerful than fringe websites.
Nations detest certain other nations, soccer fans insult each other, hybrid cars owners persecute SUV owners and so on and so forth. Is it possible that this "persecution against jews" is just about the fact that jewish organizations really cannot stand any criticism or trivialization and make a big deal out of it? (As an excuse to make Israel immune?)
It would be like italians saying that mafia-stereotypes are a sign of "anti-italianism". All of a sudden italians would be "persecuted". Are italians persecuted, I ask?

I hate to end up with a "stereotype", "blaming it all" on a group. I'm sorry if that's what I do. Not my intention. I know things are complicated and I still admit the possibility that I am being conned with this zionist angle. I do.
It just would be surreal to skip this part assuming "it's a distraction" right away. On what grounds this would be a distraction, I don't entirely understand. Ask around in the world, people don't seem that much aware of the intentions or methods of zionists. Muslim terrorists is what people know. If you mention "zionists" what people know is exactly the characterization that you used: "rednecks blame it all on the zionists" (because they're antisemites). That's what people know.

For the rest I see your points and actually the part about being "logic" or a "conspiracy theorist" is very interesting. I guess this is why it is so useful to collaborate in trying to understand this world, so that with all our different views we can balance our positions or assumptions.

On my part, I would caution in always assuming that there must be another truth "behind it". Even though this attitude obviously serves incredibly well, and allows incredible accomplishments in exposing the tricks of fakery and propaganda, it can also be a hindrance when some logic truth is "right there". You know, maybe you got to it because there wasn't really a way to hide it anymore than that; maybe you got there because sometimes things are better hidden "in plain sight": and maybe you figured it out because things have been exposed, and people are learning. Who knows.

I don't know for sure, and it's kind of a big deal to me. I think swapping the "extremist Muslim" enemy (which we see as a lie) for the Zionism enemy (which we see as a real group whose influence is everywhere) isn't a big advancement.

Or rather, I do think it's better to know the truth than lies, but I think - because we care about the truth - we should also have a better solution than the liars. The liars' solution is "identify the enemy, then kill them" so our strategy should be somewhat different, such as "if we identify a perceived enemy, try to reach out and talk to them - make our opinions known and open up discussion and dialogue with them."

I know that seems crazy when you take into account the types of people apparently behind the fakery but I would remind everyone that whoever it is, they are just ordinary people. If we were in their shoes, we might do the same thing. We don't know.

Jews aren't victims anymore than anyone else. If you think about annoyance, then everyone in the world is persecuted

Yes, but each is persecuted in a different way. It is better to identify specifics I think, which is what we are trying to do.