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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby hoi.polloi on Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:15 pm

LoneBear » April 4th, 2018, 5:26 pm wrote:
Kham » April 3rd, 2018, 10:38 pm wrote:Glad to hear you have friends who visit Clues Forum. What threads at Clues Forum were your friends most interested in? Are your friends contributors to CF?

No. 1 would be Gopi, who I've known for about 15 years now and is in to the fallacies of physics and astronomy. A number of his papers have been posted here on the problems with Newton's works.

For you specifically, what threads were you wanting to contribute and/or are most interested in?

It was the info on "fakery in orbit" that initially caught my attention several years ago, then the TYCHOS model being proposed here recently. I also know a good deal about computer fakery as I helped to create it, decades ago, as part of my work with the MIB at the start of the post-Vietnam Cold War (not "men in black," more "men in khaki" -- Military Intelligence). It was done with the best of intentions as a matter of national security, but the way those tools have been abused to advance political and corporate agendas now has become downright frightening. I am glad to see it getting exposed.


How was anything to do with the Viet Nam war in the interest of national security? I was under the impression that "Nam" was one more ruthless invasion of Southeast Asia, in a string of endless imperial wars led by America since the "commie scare" of the McCarthy era, not to mention previous empires' invasions of everywhere else. How have any of these wars led to stability for the home country, except for the same old (Mason, Jesuit, Talmudic, Templar, etc.) clubbers and profiteers that claim the driving anxiety they create is a necessary zeitgeist for empire to exist? If anything, 9/11 and other hoaxes seem to be seamless extensions of the same tactics of rich murderers and marauders.

Political and corporate so-called agendas have always been tools of that same "classless" class of pirates who distract us with those conflicts, so how can we say the tools are now being abused, when they were designed for abuse since their inception? Is the suggestion that the general populace living under these imperial caste systems "needs" this?
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby LoneBear on Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:06 pm

hoi.polloi » April 4th, 2018, 12:15 pm wrote:How was anything to do with the Viet Nam war in the interest of national security? I was under the impression that "Nam" was one more ruthless invasion of Southeast Asia, in a string of endless imperial wars led by America since the "commie scare" of the McCarthy era, not to mention previous empires' invasions of everywhere else.

Malaysia happens to sit on the largest, accessible oil dome on the planet. Control of oil reserves is a major concern of national security--for MANY countries, not just America. The "stale mate" that resulted from that police action (not a declared war) led to the Cold War (spying) in the 1980s that developed many of the "false flag" technologies now being used for more private agendas. As "intel" goes, if you can't beat 'em--deceive them into thinking you beat them. These days, the wars are "wars of deception"--which turned out to be even more profitable than guns and tanks. From what I've read of the posts here, particularly the NASA threads, I would think those here would be well aware of this.

How have any of these wars led to stability for the home country, except for the same old (Mason, Jesuit, Talmudic, Templar, etc.) clubbers and profiteers that claim the driving anxiety they create is a necessary zeitgeist for empire to exist?

You answered your own question. Stability is driven by those that rule the empires in conflict.

If anything, 9/11 and other hoaxes seem to be seamless extensions of the same tactics of rich murderers and marauders.

Of course. But they are not random nor haphazard tactics... they are on their final stage, making China the center of industry (after London/mercantilism, the Vatican/religion and Washington/military). All four suits of the deck have been created... just now waiting for, shall we just say, the "Trump" to be played, to win the game?

Political and corporate so-called agendas have always been tools of that same "classless" class of pirates who distract us with those conflicts, so how can we say the tools are now being abused, when they were designed for abuse since their inception?

There is a big difference between the NWO "wanna-be's" and those that actually rule through the global oligarchy. Believe it or not, the tools developed by "The Powers That Are" tend to benefit humanity, as they need healthy minions to cook their food, wash their clothes and design and build the tech that will elevate them to gods. However, when those tools fall into the hands of wanna-be's, then you get abuse.

Is the suggestion that the general populace living under these imperial caste systems "needs" this?

Like the Oracles of old, Nature has a way of providing people with what they need, not what they want. So you decide.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby hoi.polloi on Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:56 am

LoneBear » April 4th, 2018, 11:06 pm wrote:
hoi.polloi » April 4th, 2018, 12:15 pm wrote:How was anything to do with the Viet Nam war in the interest of national security? I was under the impression that "Nam" was one more ruthless invasion of Southeast Asia, in a string of endless imperial wars led by America since the "commie scare" of the McCarthy era, not to mention previous empires' invasions of everywhere else.

Malaysia happens to sit on the largest, accessible oil dome on the planet. Control of oil reserves is a major concern of national security--for MANY countries, not just America. The "stale mate" that resulted from that police action (not a declared war) led to the Cold War (spying) in the 1980s that developed many of the "false flag" technologies now being used for more private agendas. As "intel" goes, if you can't beat 'em--deceive them into thinking you beat them.


I kind of see where you are going with that, and I appreciate that version of history but to join this with my original point it seems like a contradiction to use the language of empire on the one hand, calling war "a police action" (supposedly in the interest of national security) and advancing to our present narrative about "the cold war". What, then, is your definition of war?

What is your definition of national security?

Perhaps I am just not familiar with the particular version of doublespeak you are borrowing, but I think we can stand to refine the way we're talking about these things so we don't sound exactly like the horrible creeps that waged war on China to force them to open their market to Western led opium addiction, for example. Sorry if the word "war" is wrong to you here but I think it's pretty appropriate here and in the case of the Viet Nam war as well. And I still fail to see what is justified about invading a place for their oil.

If anything, 9/11 and other hoaxes seem to be seamless extensions of the same tactics of rich murderers and marauders.

Of course. But they are not random nor haphazard tactics... they are on their final stage, making China the center of industry (after London/mercantilism, the Vatican/religion and Washington/military). All four suits of the deck have been created... just now waiting for, shall we just say, the "Trump" to be played, to win the game?


I understand that you are working in that narrative and it's quite clever, and I think we would probably like to know more about it, but please bear in mind that this forum is very skeptical of new and old narratives (and its stated purpose is to investigate such things presented by any media) and you will want to present evidence wherever possible to support your Grand Theory, even if you know it to be absolutely true. And even then, we may want to question it and see if it is actually a valuable narrative or if it's just more compressed BS delivered through our forum by someone who believes it.

Political and corporate so-called agendas have always been tools of that same "classless" class of pirates who distract us with those conflicts, so how can we say the tools are now being abused, when they were designed for abuse since their inception?

There is a big difference between the NWO "wanna-be's" and those that actually rule through the global oligarchy. Believe it or not, the tools developed by "The Powers That Are" tend to benefit humanity, as they need healthy minions to cook their food, wash their clothes and design and build the tech that will elevate them to gods. However, when those tools fall into the hands of wanna-be's, then you get abuse.


This seems like more of that narrative which we may have to ask you to put in a more organized way somewhere else.

Is the suggestion that the general populace living under these imperial caste systems "needs" this?

Like the Oracles of old, Nature has a way of providing people with what they need, not what they want. So you decide.


I am sorry but this doesn't make sense to me and it's a bit cryptic. Are you referring to your understanding of how things work?
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Suspended Belief on Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:11 pm

Hey Simon:

I just showed September Clues to my lil bro and he said he felt like he was living in N. Korea.

Anyways, let me join your forum if you don't mind. I do paranormal research, but I also research all the conspiracies out there...

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"motivations for joining Cluesforum" Want to talk about the "YouTube Shooter." This is messed up.

Also, I signed up with your forum, and never received the first email I expected to get, so I signed up again. Please activate the password for username "Suspended Belief". Thank you.

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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Muggē on Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:19 am

Hello,

I’m a 46 yo male in USA,
Married
Agnostic
I have been an electrician for 25 or so years.
I play the guitar, I like to tinker with things, take them apart , see how they work and try to fix them if they are broken. Reading and learning about all these different theories is a hobbie for the most part and I don’t know how much good it will do to seek and learn the truth, besides personal satisfaction, because trying to convince others of these things is an uphill battle I have learned.
I have been researching all sorts of conspiracy theories for several years now. The OKC bombing was the first one I really looked into but the the thing that really kicked it off for me was the book “ Hemp and the Marijuana Conspiracy “ written by Jack Herer. That book opened up the door to a lot of other things and into the rabbit hole I went. I have been led astray over the years by some of the different theories that are out there as it is sometimes hard to make heads or tails of the cacophony of disinformation that is prevalent.

I just stumbled across your site kinda by chance recently when I was looking into the Stephan Hawking death. How I missed CF before is strange because you all hit on about every theory that is out there so I figured CF may be good source because it apparently being suppressed to a certain degree.
I have a Facebook but it stays deactivated 99% of the time. I don’t have any websites or anything like that.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby hoi.polloi on Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:35 pm

Hi Muggē, and welcome! Where does your user name come from?

I never noticed that our site was suppressed; we certainly come up in Google searches. However, the web is big and definitely censored so it wouldn't be surprising to me either way.

Hope you enjoy and contribute your research (... that which you actually want to share with humanity, anyhow; we're not data miners!) Please make sure to use spell check and keep our readability higher than the average forum!

You might notice that we don't develop conspiracy theories as much as critique conspiracy theories, as many of them have become integrated with the dominant narrative or honed into a dead end, honey trap or limited hangout. Consider searching our thread on some pet theories and see how we analyze the media and ask questions you might not find elsewhere (but which, of course, we hope will spread to all critical thinkers the world over).
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Muggē on Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Thanks hoi,
My user name is my last name spelled a little differently.

Maybe cluesforum is not suppressed, I just thought it was odd that I hadn’t run across it before. Maybe I did and ended up clicking on something else in the search results.

I am more of a reader but I’ll comment from time to time if I see something that no one else has mentioned.

My background is mainly electrical construction but I also went to technical scool years ago and studied radio and television communications. That was in the early 90’s and a lot has changed since then.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby hoi.polloi on Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:49 pm

Thanks, Muggē, and how do we pronounce your user name? Is it like "muggy"? Welcome again.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Kassie on Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:16 pm

It has been a handful of years since I last visited this forum. I participated briefly under the name Jove (an account I can no longer access, as the password and email associated with it are long gone), and I exposed myself as a somewhat silly young woman. I'd like to think I've grown in the time I've been away. I have chosen the new username Kassie simply because it is a name I often use on the internet and it has become a nickname of mine. I am Canadian and in my mid-30s.

I was relieved to find Cluesforum was still here after my absence. I see it now as an island of clear reason. From my observations of the youtube community, the goal of exposing media fakery rarely appears "pure", but rather overshadowed by other agendas (whether deliberate disinfo or simply delusion, I don't know). Media fakery on youtube has been presented as a means to discuss a wide range of speculative fiction such as doomsday prophecies, aliens, reptilians, Nibiru, and the illuminati (or as I like to say, the illuminaughty). I was disheartened by this. The BS turned me away from my own investigations. I had wanted to be a scientist of my own existence and experience but I began to doubt it was possible to learn anything from such pure observation. After all, there's nothing special about me -- so why hadn't someone else managed to do it? When I returned to Cluesforum recently, I saw that YOU are the people who are carrying out this investigation.

Some backstory:

My own interest (what I like to think about in my spare time, and what has been my pet project since I was 14), lies in the realm of philosophy, specifically epistemology. At 14 I read Kant's Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics, which impressed upon me the desire to understand science and philosophy from the ground up -- starting from my own observations. For me, despite still enjoying popular science at the time, the idea of developing my own view of existence as if I had lived my whole life on a desert island was deeply attractive. I often wondered what pure observation would reveal about the cosmos. Could people learn as much from thought experiments and reason as from the Hubble telescope (which I no longer believe in)?

So I was impressed and excited to return now and see Simon's Tychos model. For me it is a turning point: people can indeed shed themselves of the stories and fakery, and learn about natural phenomena by observation alone. I do intend to support your project, Simon, when I can.

Other than financial support, which I cannot currently provide, I've been thinking about what I can offer this forum and how I can fit in. I was an editor for over a decade and often did freelance work helping PhD students with their dissertations. However, I find that people with good reasoning tend to write very well, so I doubt my editing skills would be much needed here.

I like to say that beyond Descartes' cogito ergo sum, there are only two kinds of stories from which to gather knowledge: the stories we learn from direct observation (through our own senses), and the stories we hear of others' observations (the validity and motives of which we can never know). I would like to participate in the greater goal of reversing the deEnlightenment humanity is currently drowning in. I want to return to a time before science was twisted up in NASA's lies, and see true intellectual progress happen.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby patrix on Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:12 pm

I want to return to a time before science was twisted up in NASA's lies, and see true intellectual progress happen.

I am so in line with you on this Kassie.

Much of current science turns out to be bunk that can be readily disproved through the scientific method.
It started in the early 20th century with Einstein and his discarding of the aether and wave theory of light, and then its gradually gotten worse to the point where it's now common belief that rockets can whizz around in vaccum despite the fact that it is in violation of proven physics.

Hundred years of potential human scientific progress have been lost, which makes me sad.

But I am equally happy that a musician from Rome has given humanity arguably the greatest scientific discovery ever - Earths PVP orbit and the Tychos model.

Welcome to the forum Kassie.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby hoi.polloi on Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:15 pm

Thank you for the kind words Kassie! Welcome and enjoy.

Do you have any ideas about how we might be able to improve the "branding" or appearance of the site so the flavor of investigation we do is more readily understood by average visitors? Or is that perhaps unwise?
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Muggē on Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:30 am

hoi.polloi » April 9th, 2018, 1:49 pm wrote:Thanks, Muggē, and how do we pronounce your user name? Is it like "muggy"? Welcome again.


Thanks Hoi,
Yes, “Muggy” is the correct pronunciation.

Regarding the “distillation” of some of the major threads....
That sounds like a great Idea. Maybe a new sub-catagory called “ Truth shine” .
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Kassie on Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:20 pm

Hello all! Thank you for the warm welcome.

Hoi, I am not particularly well-versed in branding (I worked as an editor mainly in the fast-paced world of Victorian periodicals, ha ha). But increasing accessibility by summarizing topics does seem like an obvious improvement. I would be entirely happy to help. It sounds like a massive undertaking but I currently have a good deal of time on my hands, and also I would enjoy reading and re-reading the forum for my own growth and study.

Patrix, it's funny you mention aether -- I wrote a poem about aether a few years ago. I'd like to share it, and I realize that might be horribly obnoxious of me (what am I thinking?! posting poetry on Cluesforum?!), but it's just that I feel I've walked into a room with the only few people gathered who might appreciate it.

Dark Energy
pained him. He knew æther when he saw it,
watched theory take a cure-all
to smooth out the night, patching
up physics by tradition and verse, familiar
hearthside legends, while he ran
with the toothed unknown,
the untamed science replete
with attributes more rich unnamed,
more honest, in a time when honest work was rare.
But æther came at dusk, swinging
its toolbox, whistling worksong.
Old jack-of-all-trades:
rough-handed, stead-sure, employed
to do what a certified labourer couldn't –
to push planets around the sun, carry
light across the cosmos, or make
the Universe expand;
in other words, he'd concede,
a man in need of home, love, supper,
and life apart from anonymity.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby patrix on Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:37 pm

Very nice poem Kassie. I have a soft spot myself and actually write poems now and then.

The blog idea - Yes! A Clues forum blog that summarizes interesting threads in a digestible manner would be great. As it stands now, that job is carried out by the high level shills that like to mix in subjects that are never discussed on this forum, and for good reason.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby kalika on Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:34 pm

Hello everyone!
Primarily joining for the benefit of a page opening on my last read post (if the forum works as some others). I can’t write as well or express my thoughts as clearly as those here so I doubt I will be contributing much.

I have been reading the forum for about 3 years now. I’m 24, Polish but live in Ireland.
I studied physics and astronomy for two years but have since switched to chemistry.
There seems to be a lot of misinformation in the fields of biochemistry/cell biology, genetics, endocrinology and neuroscience too, though I don’t know if those are so much conspiracies or just a mix of greed and current modes of thinking that lead to incorrect theories. Mostly, I’m just interested in learning as much as possible about the world I live in.
I hope that in the future I will be able to contribute to the wealth of knowledge here.
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