7/7

Discussing the most relevant "sequels" or "reminders" of 9/11. The so-called "War On Terror" is a global scam finalized to manipulate this world's population with crass fear-mongering tactics designed to scare you shitless.
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THE LONDON 7/7 BOMBINGS EXPOSED

The fact that Australian prime minister John Howard went on record at 5.33am CET- (Central European Time) in the morning of 7/8 - (according to Der Spiegel) stating that "52" people died in the attacks, may well be all we need to expose that LONDON event for what it was: a victimless hoax.

Here's JOHN HOWARD'S press release of that morning



"DER SPIEGEL":


+++ Number of Deaths climbs to 52 +++
(5:33 a.m. CET) According to statements made by the Australian government, the number of dead has risen to 52. Further deaths are feared, said Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard. In Great Britain, 37 deaths have so far been confirmed.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 53,00.html


Ok. So it is on record that John Howard already knew the final death-toll of "52" on the early morning (Central European Time) of the next day - July 8th. The problem is, NO ONE knew at the time how many victims there were. In fact, several hours later, the rescue teams had not even reached the most deadly bomb site... The largest Italian newspaper "La Repubblica" reports at 13:42pm CET, on its own LONDON BOMBING timeline:


LA REPUBBLICA
http://www.repubblica.it/2005/g/dirette ... ref=search

13:42PM - None injured in the Russell Square carriage.
The police hasn't yet been able to reach the carriage trapped near the Russell Square tube station, but has outruled the possibility of there being any further injured people trapped in the underground. This has been clarified by the British Chief of Police Ian Blair: " With the help of the firefighters and the ambulance personnel - he said - all the survivors have been rescued and brought to safety".


Apparently, as many as 26 corpses were eventually found ( two days later) at the Russell Square bomb site. But John Howard had already "guessed" the total figure of victims LONG BEFORE they were found !!!


SO HOW DID JOHN HOWARD HAVE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE DEATH-TOLL OF "52 VICTIMS" ? UNTIL A RATIONAL EXPLANATION EMERGES FOR THIS ABSURD FOREKNOWLEDGE, IT WILL STAND AS A PRIME PROOF THAT THE SO-CALLED "AL-QAEDA TERROR ATTACKS" ARE NOTHING BUT PHONY, PRE-PLANNED SIMULATIONS.
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Ok, here's a little summary of my latest diggings into 7/7. Were there really 52 real victims in London that day? I do not think so. The London Bombings are such a marvellous tool to make people understand the Vicsim paradigm. Same as 9/11. Identical. ;)



TIMELINE OF 7/7 AFTERMATH - CONCLUSIVE PROOF OF FOUL PLAY

The goofy handling of the final "death-toll" of the London Bombings exposes it as the farcical simulation that it all was. The below timeline of selected, relevant news reports goes to show, beyond reasonable doubt, that the "death-toll" must have been scripted in advance - as an integral part of Tony Blair's very own phony terror-simulation. The similarities between 9/11 and 7/7 are more than striking - we can see a distinct pattern indicating that both events were handled by the very same operational structure. Thanks to the more 'contained' nature of the London terror hoax (only "52" alleged victims), we may more easily understand how easy it is for the western "INTELLIGENCE" apparatus to fool the world - for the profit of their rogue superiors - and a bunch of conniving parasites who set up foundations, scholarships and "charities" (in honor of fictitious terror victims) designed to milk money out of unsuspecting organizations and individuals.

Imageformer Australian prime minister John Howard
It's interesting to know that John Howard was in London on 7/7, then went to the US. I'd imagine both Tony and George gave him a sound spanking for spoiling the show: "Johnny, you fool! We've told you a zillion times to adjust the time zone on your laptop when you fly in from Down Under! See, now you've reported "52 victims" to the press - half a day before the earliest allowed release time, you schmuck! And don't bring up that old jet lag excuse again!" ...*slap*-*slap* -OUCH!-OUCH!

However - as you'll see below - the BBC is just as goofy as Howard and cocks up in even more formidable ways...


**********************JULY 8, 2005****************************

5:33am CET - DER SPIEGEL reports:
+++ Number of Deaths climbs to 52 +++
"According to statements made by the Australian government, the number of dead has risen to 52. Further deaths are feared, said Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard. In Great Britain, 37 deaths have so far been confirmed."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 53,00.html

8:09am CET - LA REPUBBLICA reports:
Australian prime minister says: "The victims are 52"
According to Australian prime minister John Howard, the death-toll of yesterday's bombings is 52, including 7 Australians. The figure provided by Howard clashes with that provided by the London police (37) but the prime minister has not disclosed to the press the sources of this information.

http://www.repubblica.it/2005/g/dirette ... ref=search

ABC NEWS AUSTRALIA reports:
"Australian Prime Minister John Howard says he believes the death toll from
London's terrorist bombings has reached 52, with hundreds more injured."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 ... 410112.htm

12:40 pm CET - DER SPIEGEL reports:
+++ Up to 20 Dead in Explosions +++
"Following a series of explosions in London, a government spokesman has told the British TV network ITV that 20 people have been killed. Police have confirmed two deaths so far. The BBC has reported an explosion in the area of Houndsditch, east London. The BBC also reported that al-Qaida terrorists may be behind the attacks."


13:42pm CET - LA REPUBBLICA reports:
None injured in the Russell Square carriage.
"The police hasn't yet been able to reach the carriage trapped near the Russell Square tube station [where 26 bodies were allegedly found eventually], but has outruled the possibility of there being any further injured people trapped in the underground. This has been clarified by the British Chief of Police Ian Blair: " With the help of the firefighters and the ambulance personnel - he said - all the survivors have been rescued and brought to safety".



**********************JULY 11, 2005****************************

THE BBC & THE GUARDIAN CONFIRM DEATH TOLL OF 52


BBC- Monday, July11 2005
"The first victim of the London bombings is named as the confirmed number of dead reaches 52."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4694069.stm

THE GUARDIAN- Monday, July11 2005
London death toll rises to 52
"The names of two women who died in last week's London bombings were made public today,
as the confirmed death toll from the attacks rose to 52."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/1 ... ksecurity8


So, 3 days later, the BBC & The Guardian finally give official confirmation of John Howard's 'magic' prediction of "52".
But there's another awful problem with that:
According to the BBC itself, and still printed very clearly in their 7/7 Obituary pages,
at least two victims (allegedly) succumbed to their injuries AFTER july 11:


**********************JULY 14, 2005****************************

"SAM LY" dies in hospital
("the only Australian victim of the London Bombings")
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 741485.stm
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"When the computer worker was recovered with serious injuries from the wreckage of the bus,
his father and nephew flew to London to be at his hospital bedside.But he died on 14 July, one week after the blast."


**********************JULY 15, 2005****************************

"LEE HARRIS" dies in hospital
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 741565.stm
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"The 30-year-old was in a coma for eight days and died on 15 July,
a day before his girlfriend's body was pulled from the wreckage of the mangled train."


**********************JULY 16, 2005****************************

"SAMANTHA BADHAM" is extracted from wreckage of mangled train
(A full nine days after the blast??? :blink: Now, hold on a second: If Great Britain would have truly needed 9 DAYS to retrieve a woman from a bombed train in London City - by a 10-pound amateur-device in a rucksack - the Queen would have lost both WW1 and WW2!) Let's wake up, folks. This whole fable is a flippant farce.



THE OFFICIAL FINAL DEATH-TOLL OF THE LONDON BOMBINGS IS, STILL TODAY, "52 + 4 bombers". That's 56 in all.
How could the BBC have reported "52 confirmed dead" on July 11 if two (or three) victims were died AFTER that date? And how could Australia's John Howard have known the final (civilian) death toll at 5:33am(Central European Time) on July 8 ? How could the prestigious German weekly "Der Spiegel" get this information at 5:33am on July 8? Was John even awake that early in London or was this statement of his perhaps mistakenly released by John's hapless secretary down in Australia?


Now, it seems to me dreadfully "un-British" to declare people dead several days before they croak. Especially when involving victims of such a defining and traumatizing national event. I would definitely fire my coroner immediately if he played with my life like that :angry: . Should we ask the BBC for a kind clarification?

Shall we?


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A brilliant 'cartoon' by Realism - posted over at the OldElmtree forum :D
http://www.oldelmtree.com/index.php?topic=4680.165
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Simon, you would get the standard "cock-up" reply from the BBC - still worth getting on their case!
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. Should we ask the BBC for a kind clarification?

Shall we?

Yes.

Ironically, around 2004-5 the BBC was making a really big deal about journalistic standards, with the Hutton Enquiry and The Neil Report.

The Neil Report June 2004
http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/report ... report.pdf

This report enshrined the following as core values of BBC journalism:

p.6

? Truth and Accuracy
? Serving the Public Interest
? Impartiality and Diversity of Opinion
? Independence
? Accountability

And they were reviewing their complaints procedure too...

I'd say a complaint about the accuracy of reporting 52 7/7 deaths while 2 or 3 of those 52 were either alive or missing would get the "red flag" treatment:

The Neil report p.18:

? All complaints coming into the BBC by whatever route should be logged, and serious complaints “red flagged.”
? “Red flagging” should not denote the importance or status of the complainant, but the potential seriousness of the complaint itself. “Red flagging” should include complaints from parties aggrieved by the broadcasts, issues of fair dealing, legal issues and challenges, and charges of major inaccuracies.
? “Red flagged” complaints should be carefully tracked through the complaints system.
? In BBC News, a senior manager should be charged with ensuring the effective handling of all complaints about the output, and be across the progress and status of complaints being handled by programme executives.
? The Director of News should receive regular reports on the status of complaints within the division.
? Where a department fails to satisfy the complainant of a “red flagged” complaint after two exchanges, the Head of the BBC’s Editorial Complaints Unit2 should consider it for independent assessment and review.
...

In short, they sound pretty serious about listening to complaints.



The BBC's story is internally inaccurate.
a report of 52 dead on july 11 when 2 of the 52 were still alive in hospital according to the BBC.

Their complaints people will see this as a complaint about inaccurate reporting.
But it's not enough to insist that their broadcasting was inaccurate. It was prophetic, but prophetic about a story that is not true anyway.
The "prophecy" exposes that the story is untrue.

The complaint has to be clear that the BBC is being charged with hoaxing, not with inaccuracy.

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Also, the UK has a phone number for reporting anything suspicious.
The Terrorism hotline: 0800 789321

I'd say it was pretty suspicious that 52 victims were announced on 11 July before two of them were dead (as the BBC story goes)!
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I'll complain too, but not tonight!

I Still have to chase some unanswered complaints to ITN news about why Sally Phillips was running around in their news footage of 7/7.
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Just an addition to Realisms excellent post:

Rudolph Giuliani, who was mayor of New York City at the time of the 9/11 attacks, was staying at the Great Eastern hotel on the 7th of July, where TASE was hosting its economic conference, with Israel's Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as keynote speaker.

Giuliani was having a business breakfast meeting in his room at the Great Eastern Hotel, close to Liverpool Street station when the bombs went off:

"I didn't hear the Liverpool Street bomb go off," he explains. "One of my security people came into the room and informed me that there had been an explosion. We went outside and they pointed in the direction of where they thought the incident had happened. There was no panic. I went back in to my breakfast. At that stage, the information coming in to us was very ambiguous." (quoted in the Evening Standard, 11 July 2005.)

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Carl De Souza, Photographer

Two places at once, or all over the place?


I wanted this post to be a scoop about how photographer Carl de Souza was in two places at once on 7 July 2005.
But I think this is actually a scoop about how photo archives are deliberately messy. In particular, this post is about Getty Images archive.


They’ve had 5 years to correct their bloopers.

Two totally distinct photos below attributed to Eva-Lotta Jansson and Paco Serinelli:

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Yet they haven’t corrected them!



Meanwhile, Carl de Souza 's "created on 7 July 2005" photos include 20 London bombings photos, plus 4 Scotland G8 photos.


(search at
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/ )


This is logistically impossible.
The distance and isolation of Gleneagles, and the disruption to transport on that day meant journalists at Gleneagles were stuck there.

But the descriptions on his Gleneagles pictures are ambiguous. They mention that the G8 begins on 6 July. This could imply that the photo was actually taken on 6 July but not filed with the agency until the next day.
This would get him out of the appearance of having teleporting ability.
And yet, the archives contain 8 Scottish pictures of his that are filed as “created on 6 July” ? So there is no reason for him to have waited till 7 July to file the remaining Scottish pictures.

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I’d like to be able to say that Carl De Souza was in Scotland on 7 July 2005.
Therefore his 7/7 photos were made by hoaxers and then merely attributed to him. ? (The hoaxers gain credibility, the photographer gains prestige.)

But the general mess of the archives and unreliability of photo attributions means statements like that are not simple to make.



“Mess” works in the favour of media fakers and it a cheap and temporarily effective tactic.

But it won’t withstand intelligent probing.
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Can you find a blog or website for Carl De Souza?

Somehow, I doubt http://www.carldesouza.com is for an English photographer ... it links to http://www.linkedin.com/in/carld

Though "Information Technology and Services" is a vague enough career path I suppose. It could be real or a pseudonym?

Paco Serinelli has a photostream and a resume:
http://www.flickr.com/people/16956211@N07/

WORK EXPERIENCE

March 2004-June 2007, Milan (Italy)
AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE (Photographer)
-Football: Serie A, Champions League and Uefa Cup
-News
-Economic and politcal events
-Fashion week
-All-Day available
Images available on AFP database

July 2005, London (UK)
AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE (Photographer)
-Reportage about terrorist attack in London
-News, demonstrations and music concert
-Football: summer friendly match
Images available on AFP database

January 2002-February 2004, Milan (Italy)
FREELANCE (Photographer)
-Ciamillo-Castoria Agency, official photographers of Basketball Italian League and Basketball Italian Federation. Collaborations with (newspaper) Corriere della Sera, Gazzetta dello Sport, Corriere dello Sport; (magazine) Superbasket, SportWeek and basketball technical sponsor “Champion”.
-Official photographer of “AJ Olimpia Milano Basket”.
-Photographer for: TuttoTurismo (travel magazine), Mondo del Golf and Golf e Turismo (golf magazine), Snowboard Italy and Windsurf Italy (magazine), Corriere della Sera (music section).
-Official photographer of Borsa Italiana (The Italian Stock Exchange).

July 2003 Italian Hospital of Cottolengo in Meru (Kenya)
-Sawa-Sawa, black and withe reportage about a little Italian Hospital in Kenya published in a book, presented at World Press Photo Contest 2004 in Daily Life section (Sawa,Sawa Serinelli-Tecci Ed. Padre Monti).

January 1999-January 2002 Milan (Italy)
OMEGA FOTOCRONACHE (Photographer-Editor)
-Football: Serie A, Champions League
-Volleyball Serie A (Male and Female)
-Basketball A1 Italian League (Male)
-Entertainment, music concert and gossip (Sanremo Music Festival 2000 and 2001; Heineken Jammin Festival 1999, 2000, 2001,2002; Rock in Rio de Janeiro 2001)
-Economic and politcal events

September 1997-January 1999 Milan (Italy)
3EFFE AGENCY

-News
-Reportage about Italian Red Cross activity during the conflict in Kosowo
-Immigration: reportage on Italian Coast Guard ships in Albanian waters against skafos of clandestines


EDUCATION/MEMBERSHIP

Milan, Itay (2002)
Italian Press OrderMember of Italian Press Order (card n.: 097245)

Milan, Italy (1997)
I.T.S.O.S. Albe Steiner High School
Visual Communications High School Graduation
(Photography, Cinema Direction and Graphic Designer)

Milan, Italy (1996)
PhotoMovie Agency
Stage (editor)

Milan, Italy (1996)
Rosa Luxemburg Professional Institute
Certificate of photography


PROFESSIONAL EQUIPMENT

-Canon Eos 1D Mark II
-Canon Eos 1D Mark II N
-16-35 mm f 2,8
-28-300 mm f 3,5-5,6 Stabilized
-70-200 mm f 2,8
-400 mm f 2,8
-Apple Powerbook G4 (12)


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His former e-mail at creativephotoagency.com doesn't seem to exist ... nor does the web site.
But he does have a phone number you could try: +34 662009616

And settle once and for all who made the famous capture of "Eamon Spelman" ...
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hoi.polloi 4 Aug 5 2010, 04:53 PM wrote: And settle once and for all who made the famous capture of "Eamon Spelman" ...
:lol:

that's funny because of course it's not "famous".
despite his smouldering, dishevelled charm, this snap ended up on the reject pile.

There is tons of 7/7 photography in the press archives but the media only ever brings out those few iconic images into which all the accumulated associations of 7/7 have been poured.

e.g. blonde woman helen quadling, masked woman davinia turrell etc.


I've sent a query to Getty Images about their error of attributing Eamon's picture to two photographers.
I doubt they'll have a clue who actually took it.

Will send mails to Eva-Lotta Jansson and Paco Serinelliabout it.
This might seem trivial but I think it's worth clearing up.

(i'm not calling him though!)

Re: Carl de Souza.
It would be helpful if he could explain whether he was in Scotland or London on 7 July 2005.

Also, he could explain why, given that he was in Scotland to cover the G8 whose dates were July 6-8, did he feel inspired to suddenly travel back down to London in time for the bombings on July 7?

I don't have an e mail or anything but he is on staff for agence france press (AFP), so that's a lead.
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yes, paco serinelli, the 7/7 photographer is not making himself easy to find.

but he has a facebook page under the name: "PacoSerinelli Barcelona"
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timothymurphy @ Aug 5 2010, 06:33 PM wrote:
hoi.polloi 4 Aug 5 2010, 04:53 PM wrote: And settle once and for all who made the famous capture of "Eamon Spelman" ...
:lol:

that's funny because of course it's not "famous".
Aye, sorry. I hoped "famous" and "Eamon Spelman" together might be taken sarcastically. :D

But it brings up an interesting topic. I am looking forward to hearing about this whole thing getting cleared up because the little rejected things are still part of the mess. Like "obscure" demon heads in the smoke or "strange" web sites claiming magic beams saved the "passengers" at the last moment before "crashing".

It's very much managed. And investigating the so-called fringes is far from useless.
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sorry, no i understood the sarcasm - i was just over-explaining why it was funny.

i'm still chuckling - the "famous" eamon spelman.
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Spelman emerged from the underground bomb blast that had injured 150 and killed two to find nobody had noticed. He began to worry that it had all been a grand simulation, and that this was not really London. Was he even Spelman?
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:lol: hahaha
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7/7 Photo mess

In this thread I have claimed that photographer Eriko Sugita appeared to be in two places at once, according to her 7/7 photo credits.

Well, I was right that that is how it appeared.


She was officially part of the Japaense PM’s delegration to Gleneagles in Scotland in July 2005.
But the People magazine (published by Time Inc.) put her name as the credit to a photo of the bandaged man in London on 7/7.

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http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1080238,00.html

From this she would appear to be in two places at once.


I messaged her on facebook, and she did not deny that this was her picture.

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But, being keen to stay on solid ground, I decided to check the photo agencies’ archives for this photo.

Reuters’ archives are only open to professionals. But at Landov, someone checked both the Reuters and the Landov archives for me and confirmed that the picture was not there.
She said it must be a miscredit.


So, moving onto the next agency on the list, “Havemann”, I eventually realised this was not an agency but another photographer!
It’s Krestine Havemann of Zuma images.

And yes, she says that it is her picture of the bandaged man, not Eriko Sugita’s.

Image


It could be that Eriko Sugita is off the hook for being in two places at once.
Nevertheless I don’t understand why she didn’t just deny taking the picture when I asked her about "your photograph".

Oh well.


As for why People magazine would have a double credit for that photo, it’s worth bearing in mind that confusion/inaccuracy/mess works in the favour of those with something to hide.


Getty Images Archives
Talking of mess,

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Eva-Lotta Jansson says she probably took this one.


I remember taking a photo like this, and of that man, on that day, in that spot, and am pretty sure the photo is mine. However, I don't have those particular archives with me at the moment and so can't check the frame.

Paco Serinelli is too cool to say anything.
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Confusion not only works as a distraction. It's basically their only method of winning at this point. It was probably in the game standards to make every little bit of data a point of research that we can obsess over and argue about, and when we acknowledge the confusion, we end up doing one of two things:

1. tell the story that it's 'normal' confusion and dismiss it

or

2. tell the story that we remain curious about what the truth is

Their hope in making this kind of thing ambiguous by leaving loose ends, I presume, is the same reason a liar gets their facts mixed up in the hopes their dupe will fall for the most interesting dangly bit and discard the rest.

Occasionally, they might even concede a 'fact' like - for instance - who the attributed photographer will eventually be should we actually narrow their story down and force them into a consistent story. But this only helps them generate more micro-dramas.

"It was so crazy. We really couldn't remember who had taken the photo; then, it all dawned on us. Hadn't it been Pancho Mustapha? Wasn't he that crazy photographer colleague of ours who does his crazy bit with the clown nose and the molester mustache? Oh that wacky Pancho!" [cue an agent to rapidly generate Pancho's facebook page, myspace profile, personal blog about clowns and backlog it about 4 years. don't forget that Pancho believes in a conspiracy about soy sauce, so add a bunch of links to that]

Instead of providing traceable answers when someone gets hot, you distract people with a story and move the control center to a different cardboard box.

It comes down to moving attention away from the question. At a certain point, probably around the periphery of the massive simulation, they can't afford maintenance or total integration with reality, because they don't yet have their WorldSim they want so badly (though it might eventually appear if technological 'progress' continues this way). So the sim works more like a net instead of a closed ecosystem.

All we have to do is keep hitting them with so many questions that they continue to act unnaturally confused about things that aren't really difficult for an honest law-abiding person to talk about. Eventually, they will have to do their little jig for a judge and jury, and then their song and dance is not going to work so well.
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